I spectated a Soldier 76 who CAN'T STOP DE-RANKING... 

It is... I had a Zarya in Plat that kept walking into a turret Bastion. And most DPS play middle of the main... And people can't not shoot a Zarya bubble in there. The amount of TANKS asking for a MERCY pocket from supports is amusing. And the amount of MERCY TANK DUOS with agressive tank while Mercy healbots only IS INSANE in that elo.

That's not how the rank system works. His displayed rank is Plat 5, but his actual MMR is far lower. The MMR is what matches you in lobbies, most likely this is a silver lobby and his displayed rank just hasn't caught up yet cus he's a new player who hasn't played much comp yet. Don't worry, this is not a Plat 5 match. Just wonky SR/MMR mismatch for new players.

@@Real_MisterSir It is a Plat 5 lobby. I've been through all the ranks and steadily climbed from Bronze 5 to Dia 5 one by one. This is what this is. The average rank of the lobby was, indeed, Plat. Many Plat players play like this. This is the average low Plat high Gold experience. It only gets better at Plat 3-2.

Why is my gold 1 lobbies way sweatier than this

@@satamiko Real. Plat was absolute hell to get through because every match was much like this. I swear for some reason people in Plat just turn to literal bots.

This is my biggest problem, every time I think I’m in a good spot I get hammered, I’m only in high gold cause I have good aim, I have bronze game sense and no idea where to stand most of the time, I feel like Will Farrell on Taladega nights not knowing what to do with my hands lol😂

@@jamesboyce9510 I’m the complete opposite. I have at least diamond game sense, but silver aim 😅 I’m currently plat 3 for my main role. Just can’t seem to rank up bc of my aim, and teammates who throw

@@Sushie55i know you deeply don’t care but I went frome gold 1 to platinum 3 today.

@@alexdahmane7025 Why wouldn't I care about that? That's great

Platinum is only 18$ at walmart tho?

LMAOOO

I audibly laughed at this

I used to try and play games with a steering wheel as a challenge when I was a kid

*Gyro enters chat*

Bro for real! I know I'm bad with my aim but this was on a whole another level...it's like watching Bronze. If he's deranking then he must have changed something in his gear like a new table, new mouse, new mouse settings that affects his aim like this while in plat...

like honestly the same, my silver lobbies are even better then these

this is console plat, not pc

@@cooltwittertagI’m console plat 5 n this is not how my games r at all ( it’s exactly how op puts it even when I’m getting steamrolled it’s doesn’t feel like this even when I was silver ppl played better then this)

@@JubeJube33literally same. As a supp and tank main playing in plat 5/high gold, I would be 100% flaming on this dude performance after 1st half.

​@@cooltwittertagim console plat 3 on support, i've seen 1 or 2 games go like this the entire time i've been plat and that was usually just bad matchmaking or a boosted from bronze player screaming at everyone, idk why people think console players are in permanant bronze lobbies, WE ARENT

There’s nothing wrong with shooting a deflecting genji inherently. The issue is not timing your shooting correctly, to when you think he will cancel the deflect

@@pibble9207 Sure, if you want to do something useless and dangerous go for it. Otherwise there's about 20 better things to do with your time. Unless you're on a beam ofc.

I think it's a matter of not trusting their aim. They want to get as close as possible so they don't have to worry about it

@@Doodfistthat sounds understandable

@@Doodfist maybe need to Ash then? or Mei/Reaper/Sym/Bastion?

@@MrrVladIf they don't trust their aim at mid range with Soldier, def not Ash then. I agree with the others though.

@@AAGEnzee scoped Ash may be good enough, with low sense and further positioning - it's a more relaxed gameplay in a sense, compared to reaper76.

​@@satamikotbh i got a way better aim and i'm still in low silver

@@satamikoclassic signs of someone who just joined Overwatch from valorant or similar and immediately started to play comp Good aim, poor positioning/gamesense

@@dermanater imagine my cod ass when i learned that other games have ultimates

@@wintersoldier9273im silver 3 and ive been playing a lot of soldier lately and ive got at least 45/50 percent accuracy on him. im shocked this is a plat lobby

@@eartheaterrrbby i have no idea how the ranking works if i'm still in silver and this guy got so up lmao

I didn't really think any of them were terrible, if anything, it says more about him if he thinks they were "random"

That actually is a valid way to play him, yes, but if you only use that to rank up, you'll end up de-ranking back real fast once you hit a ceiling.

The solution? That's literally the way he's meant to be played. If you constantly flank and shoot enemies, your aim will eventually catch up and get better but you always want to play as a distraction for the enemy team, especially with soldier due to his mobility.

soldier needs to use his speed to constantly change his position. off angle and get a pick or do some poke damage in one spot, and then sprint off somewhere else. taking flanks and off angling from high ground forces the other team to look at you which makes space for your team. but if you stay in one place they’ll dive you and pick you off

Thank you for explaining. I’ve seen videos in the past about this but for some reason your comment made more sense. By any chance, do you know if this can work the opposite direction where displayed rank can be lower than the hidden rank? For example, could your displayed rank be gold, while the hidden rank is plat or higher.

@@BerdDog1392 It happened to me when they made the change in OW2 where they put you in the rank that matched your actual hidden rank. I was ranked gold, then the rank changed to diamond. No idea how, but my displayed rank was gold while my hidden rank was diamond.

@@kaijuu_tho Interesting. Thanks for your input. I used to have a displayed rank of plat on tank and high plat/low diamond on support. Several seasons ago, I suddenly ended up in gold on both and have been hard stuck when I know I have improved mechanically and in other aspects. So maybe my hidden rank was actually gold and I’m just worse than I thought I was lol. But I see videos of like this and I know I at least am above this level, so it’s confusing.

@@BerdDog1392 This is very much the case, and it can go both ways. When we shifted from OW1 to OW2 I didn't play comp for a few seasons and the SR decay hit very hard, so when I started playing again my rank was shown as low plat. In reality I was in mid Diamond lobbies and everyone in my "low plat" games were also diamond/masters players and never encountered an actual plat player. MMR had also decayed a bit so lobbies were actually below my previous skill tier so they weren't sweaty games by any means. Then when they did the new rank display (can't remember when) my SR went from Plat 4 to Diamond 2 without even playing more than a handful of games, as the devs changed the system back to be more in line with the old rank displays and closer alignment to the MMR. When I coach new players I always have to explain this system, it's quite complex and for new players it can often feel disheartening to not truly understand where on the ladder they are, when their SR says one thing, but their MMR says another. It's also why you can sometimes go 5w/3l and derank, if your SR was shown as gold for example but your MMR had placed you in high Bronze. That'd mean those 5 wins were bronze/low silver lobbies, and the game actually believes you're perhaps high silver, rather than gold, thus you may "de-rank" from a positive win rate. What actually happens is while your SR goes down, your MMR is going up, but your MMR was so much lower than your SR that visually you only see the de-rank and now feel bad about it and question the system. It's pretty messed up, but over time it works fairly well. Just takes 100s of grindy games to get your MMR and SR fairly well matched.

I feel like the Kiriko ults were fine for the most part though ???

Well this guy is supposedly in a ranked group of 3 or 4, so yeah considering how much easier is it to win in a stack, this guy is tanking his own group’s ranks by a long shot.

Don't be. I'm fucking 3-5 on fucking dps placements.

If youre stuck in silver there's a reason, you're really bad at something. I couldn't tell you what it is, but you're really bad at something. The average rank is gold to platinum

@@ZaWrldoi mean no shit hes just saying how that soldier gets plat despite how terribly hes playing

2nd best, after Venom Mine obviously.

Really? Landing shots slowly does more than missing? Interesting

call him kurzgesagt the way he's doing a nutshell of my comment@@anthonyrobino145

are you by any chance bronze? lol (not saying you're wrong, but you're just stating the obvious here...)

​@@anthonyrobino145😂😂😂

Plat 5 XBOX, that would probably equal to low silver on PC

game only cares about your wins. if this guy got lucky with placements he might have gotten a way higher rank than the real one.

Plat players never do

​@@EclipsedSoul4774there are plat players stuck carried by their aim with no games sense. And then players with not great aim, but have fairly good game sense and positioning. This guy falls into the former

@@EclipsedSoul4774 I fall into the ladder unfortunately, but since switching to mouse and keyboard I've been climbing

as a mercy who used to be in plat (thank god i climbed out) i maxxed 2 deaths back in plat games 😭 they never touch the mercy

@@michaelhinkfuss9699 So you're a cheater on console?

😂😂😂

Just because someone's HIDDEN mmr doesn't seem to match the lobby. That lobby is still indeed a high gold/ low plat lobby. Sure he'll derank... and then he'll be gold. Getting sick of people using mmr to cope.

@@benjaminseverinsen8713 you were the dude who brought up mmr.. "hidden" mmr at that. wild comment

this is very true

It's ow adjustments, when o started to play they put me on GM lobby and i just start derank very fast to silver 5

@@machinegirl03 Thats what makes it worse. I am a console player

Nah OW likes to boost people. I went 4-15 on my Smurf placements and it automatically put me mid plat.... That's why those lobbies are pure shit. They don't even put trash players in the right rank to start off with. I should've never even hit gold going 4-15.....and just to be clear im masters currently and plat/ diamond is elo hell

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It's on console, also plat 5 is probably a fake rank

When i started to play comp they just put me on GM lobby in my fist match, so i start derank very fast, this guy is probably the same history than me

In OW1 I'd agree, but something is genuinely wrong in OW2. I used to be Diamond tank, Plat DPS and Silver/Gold Support. I'm now Gold DPS, Gold Tank and Diamond Support and my skill level on all of them hasn't changed. What's crazier is that my Gold Tank lobbies are way higher skill levels than my Diamond Support lobbies. To make matters worse, there's without a doubt forced losing/win streaks.

@@RiseofMortals players have gotten better

@@finesseandstyle They haven't. In fact, the average player skill has decreased. The influx of new players when OW2 went F2P lowered the average. Also, I just made a brand new account and I'm already in Diamond on Tank again with a 90% win rate after being placed at Gold 2. Almost every match I play is an absolute steam roll too. I'm telling you bro, matchmaking is absolute jacked up right now.