I Spent A Week With The New Toyota Mirai: Here’s What I Love & Hate About It! 

They can and I’m sure they are doing some market research to see if this car will sell well enough to justify the expense... remember the Sony Betamax

It cost about 10x the price of a gas station.

Here in Japan is full of H2 stations but also tank trucks stations that you can find in the navigation system (I think they can also come to your place of you call them), and Toyota promised the H2 price will be 1/5 of the actual price in the very near future.

They are afraid to blow up their dealer

@@srf7588 send me a link. I will like to post it and advertise it.

What a weird way to say it

Its better than filling air with carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides

Agreed. Even without the included $15k worth of fuel, it’s still 60% cheaper per mile than my current car. $70 for 400 miles is really quite good. If gas is $3 per gallon in your area, fueling this car would be cheaper as long as your vehicle gets 17 or less mpg. That doesn’t sound great, but I currently get 15, and gas prices are only going to go up. Hydrogen prices are likely going to go down if this fuel becomes more widely used.

@@explosivemallard8038 exactly,as everything new it's expensive I remember my first LCD tv 32 inches cost me 1500 thousand today you can buy a 65 inch for 500 hundred.

@@alejandroperalta1982 Although that’s pretty different market and industry situation, your example was extraordinarily relatable and proves the point well. Well said!

@@explosivemallard8038 thanks! I know they are different but at least you understand my point 😁.

I was looking at the 1st gen and those are going between 7-8k all day so that's also a plus for me.

You must be a lot smaller than me as I feel claustrophobic just looking at this car. Toyota made the same mistake with the Prius shrinking down the interior space. They are not comfortable cars for taller people. My Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than the Mirai and was half the price when new. It's also nice not to ever have to think about fuel in an EV. In the Mirai you are limited to where there is a fuel station nearby. Currently the closest Hydrogen station to me is 350 miles away but I have an electrical outlet 2 feet away.

Valderon I’m 6’3

@@valderon3692 I mean, I think they're made keeping the Japanese market in mind.... These cars fit well for the Japanese..

@@valderon3692 everything you said was invalidated when you said you owned a Chevy, lol

@@samuraijosh1595 Do they? I think if EV's were a good fit for anywhere it would be Japan. How many Japanese people really drive more than 200-250 miles per day? A hydrogen car is pointless in Japan.

Are you close to trading them?

Damn good point. Might be an issue where I live

I think it is not so difficult to collect that water.. this is not the biggest problem.. Production of the Hydrogen is very expensive, this is very big problem..

@@andreisipitca5835 Right, although in the winter, you have to keep it heated as to not freeze up the collection system which isn't that hard since over 40% of the H2's energy goes to heat rather than driving the wheels, but you'd need to release it somewhere strategically before you park on a 0° day. The expense is another way to say inefficient because of course if it was efficient to make H2, it wouldn't cost that much.

If it's for long distance traveling then why not use it for short distances too?

Nope, never paid for by any car manufacturer. We can’t and won’t accept payment

@@TFLcar If you actually can't see that hydrogen makes absolutely zero sense for passenger vehicles then that is worse. The car's build quality and ride comfort has nothing to do with hydrogen tech btw.

A technology that produces clean water is amazing but it's in the same catagory as the rotary engine. It's amazing but impractical.

@@TFLcar They shipped a car to you for a week in which you were allowed to make a video that you make money off of. How is that not a transfer of value, aka payment, to you? If you say bad things they won't ship the next new model to you. Especially liked your rant about the weight of an EV battery without comparison to the weight of the Mirai. The Mirai weighs 220 to 300lbs. more than a Model 3LR.

I could get a little more into hydrogen powered cars than this stupid fad of battery electric. I guess it will take more wrecks and cars completely engulfed in flames from batteries on fire, not to mention the toxic fumes to get them finally gone and out of the picture forever.

Hydrogen should be the future due to range and electrical grid issues. Not to mention the toxic mining process of lithium. But average people and politicians can't see or don't care what happens next.

@@mister_dave1184 no. On the whole electric is still the better option, and lithium mining effects a local area, that’s not great, but better than global climate destruction with ICEs

@@Powderlover1 yeah, I don't think that us the cause

Once H2 is produced with surplus renewables it will be pretty close to a free lunch. H2 allows batteries to be small, which is the key to sustainability.

Exactly, it’s just absurd and will never go anywhere.

they had test units for a long time now. BP gas in Omaha actually had a fleet of them. They work just fine in the winter. But they did have to be plugged in back then to 110vac to keep stack warmed. Otherwise, its a 15 min wait for it to be drivable.

Same bro

There is a Hydrogen station in San Ramon, but I heard it's been out of order for the last 8 weeks.

Same! And it looks like toyota is giving a $4K rebate on the mirai along w $15K in refill credits, in addition to the $8K federal tax credit & $4K California tax credit.

@@MG-jv7pe and also 0% apr for 72months.. dam

Except the hydrogen comes from steam reforming natural gas, which comes from the oil companies. Wastes tons of energy to convert.

@@michaelkeudel8770 Technology is new but that doesn't mean the problems it brings can't be solved. Same happened with EVs but they create more waste don't they?

@@jeettrivedii the technology for USING hydrogen isn't the problem, creating the hydrogen itself IS the problem, and until you can make it cheaper than just dumping the energy directly into a battery, it will never go anywhere. Right now over 90% of the Hydrogen out there is made from steam reforming methane. You need energy to create the steam, and more energy to drill and access the methane, another fuel source, to create Hydrogen. you lose almost 70% of the energy to create the hydrogen, very inefficient.

Maybe not. Way less oxygen at 30K feet

@@norsevikingsir4932 they may not have to dump that water if they can capture it for other uses on board.

You're right. The weight of batteries is too heavy for aircraft or cargo ships. They will need a different alternative fuel and hydrogen seems like the most likely fuel.

diesel won't go anywhere for the coming 10-20 years in heavy duty trucks. hydrogen might come along but it still won't have the same sales numbers as diesel. diesel and hydrogen are about as energy efficient well to wheel but the hydrogen system tends to weigh quite a bit more than a diesel engine

@@jamesbeaman6337 That would be a wise design. Probably eliminate the potable water refilling infrastructure at airports. Coffee and espresso machines may need potable water though, for the minerals I guess.

If you want oomph, check out the Hyperion XP-1.

Even in the early stage of H2 technology, the tanks will last immeasurably longer than the stupid tesla battery that will need replacement in 6-8 years and costs 20K as of today.

Agreed... I've owned my Honda Clarity PHEV for 2 years and have never waited on charging. Plug it in a night, wake up to a fully charged vehicle.

Apartment dwellers don’t have that luxury. BEV may be the right choice for some, but there is a place for FCEV as well.

First off, a lot of people live in apartments and condos, but thanks for basically saying you only think of people who are exactly like you. Also, you're saying you never travel more than a single charge, apparently all these people camped out at charging stations are a myth.

@@hamsterbrigade No myth, but you mainly see campers at charging stations in CA. In my city, the Tesla supercharger is usually deserted.

@@tacitus539 for now. But just think of the future. Either all electric or hydrogen vehicles. It’s easier and cheaper to install electric charging stations everywhere for electric cars. So eventually you will see charging stations along the sidewalk curbs in cities for the apartment dwellers. I don’t see many companies investing in the hydrogen infrastructure as it will involve trillions of dollars to get it all across the country. Electric is the future.

@@devinbender8428 Huh? They were referring to the ICE.

@@devinbender8428 he's probably just been watching too much Vice Grip Garage.

@@devinbender8428 do you really need that much luck with replacing the battery?

@@devinbender8428 it seem you so oppose to hydrogen you jumpy at that opportunity to try discredit it. By the way what did you say about, "wait 30 minutes for the compressor to charge up to compress the gas." that make me laugh out and rolling here 🤣🤣🤣🤣. How long it take to charge an AV again?

@@devinbender8428 Lol I never heard of any reported case of any hydrogen car taking 30 min to fuel up. A matter of fact not even half of 2000 psi is needed to fuel a hydrogen car. Maybe you need to take a trip to a hydrogen fuel station and read the stated psi or look at the notice on fuel cap door for the car, it will tell you the psi in which the fuel pressure will be, and it is not even 100 psi. It take just as long to fuel a hydrogen as it take a gasoline car to fuel up, and hydrogen can be transport just as gasoline is transported, so I do not know what pipeline in city you are talking about. I think you just Anti Hydrogen finding a case against it to promote what you more in loved or in favor with. I wont be surprise if you just turn out to be a Tesla fanboy. Tesla do a great job on their EV do. In our world it good to have choses and not having government or anyone making choice for you, or force their choice on you. I for one do not care for pure EV, but I will not discourage anyone that want an EV or make their choice for Hydrogen or ICE vehicle. It their right to choose what in their best interest that fit their life style.

They won’t sell this car where there is a winter.

It’s so minimal that’s not a problem

@@Kimbrough87 The previous Mirai was sold in Quebec and so is this new one, Norway as well.

@@Thoughmuchistaken i’m speaking on the behalf of United States of America 🇺🇸

@@Kimbrough87 yeah, the only country in the world

700 lbs less than an S less expensive vastly lower carbon footprint and quicker refueling.

@@paulbedichek5177 a Mirai is no way comparable to a model S in other then length and price. The hydrogen technology takes a loot of space so you get a big car with minimum interior space. In performance and interior space it’s more like a VW ID 3.

@@DuesenbergJ its better for the environment all around. Speed means nothing. And except to the cop that gives you a ticket. 😂

@@DuesenbergJ model S sales have cratered, Mirai sales should be on an upward trend if they actually start delivering them. So far I’ve seen a story of one car delivered, they are late.

@@DuesenbergJ bevs have enormous carbon footprint Facebook are no way comparable, much cleaner, as smaller lion. Both are needed.

This looks hideous

Toyota never makes good looking cars

@@FishFind3000 The Mirai is gorgeous.

@@paulbedichek5177 not to me it isnt

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In long run EV needs replace expensive battery.

​@@hutotuto1675 No. Ok a bit more information why not: My battery has a range of around 450km. Times 1500 - thats on the low end of possible cycles that would be 675.000 km I do not think i will drive my car for 675.000km. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Those numbers are correct and repeatable and proofable. I have 83000km and about 4,8% degredation. That wold mean for 70% capacity left i can drive up to 518.000 km. (Actually more because the capacity loss in the first 3 months is more then the rest of the time). Thats because i don't tend to my battery. I charge it and i use it. Many times a week. I stress it. In cold or in warm weather, in -15 degress celsisu and in +35 (we don't get mopre). Because i have bought my car for a max. of 320,000km of battery and drive train capacity. And still i'm more then 50% above that self set limit. The short answer to your comment is: No.

You have to pay vat otherwise they are $50k

@@wolfgangpreier9160 batteries only last 12 years.

Exactly what I was thinking electric cars sounds good,but if you don't have enough juice how long you have to wait to charge? This is like gasoline,you stop and go.

Super capacitors would make a huge difference but for automotive use they're in their infancy

@@devinbender8428 I dont mind I will be driving 1 car only not five.

@@devinbender8428 oooh got you,yes because this is all new we not going to have enough stations.

@@devinbender8428 honestly none.

Thanks for that imagery

There is no place that doesn’t have h2 for sale.

Where they charged the car?

There are no public feeling stations but its possible some fleet trucks use them and have their own refuelling points and maybe they have an agreement to use it. I don't know for sure.

@@paulbedichek5177 Maybe, but at 10.000 psi? And a fitting nozzle?

@@701983 public stations are in Ca, you could fill it up anywhere on Earth , for the right price, you can have a home h2 installed, Toyota won’t sell them outside Ca, Japan and Eu. Even if you live in Ca, you should live near a station.

It would be nice if he actually compared it fairly though. For example, at 1:25 says he's only lugging around a 1kWh battery. While that is true, he's also lugging around 500lbs of fuel cell equipment to make it into electricity and another 500lbs of structural steel to protect the occupants and make a physically large car with the interior space of a sub compact. So the Mirai (even with the tanks empty) ends up weighing more than a long-range Tesla. Also he makes the claim it's long-lasting. Since the first ones were only made in 2016, I'm not sure how he knows that. And the entire hydrogen system in the 2016s already is about to expire in 9 years. You can see when this one expires by the date on the fuel door at 8:28 which they nicely display.

@@scottkolaya2110 I agree. The Mirai weighs 4335 lbs while the Tesla Model 3LR weighs only 4031 lbs.

@@devinbender8428 there’s somewhere between 7500 and 10,000 on the road in CA actually and that’s basically in two metro areas. Yes some stations can have a line of cars 10 deep as you said at certain times. As long as you don’t fill up on a Friday at 5:30pm it’s usually not an issue. My station thankful never has a line ever. As far as compressor lag I have experienced it and never more than a minute or two max between cars. I’m simply stating that I’m a real world user whom over several years has had a great experience driving a FCEL vehicle.

@@Damidoo Could you have had a BEV and charged home at night and never worried about going to H2 station? What about the cost of the H2 or have you not used up the 15k allowance yet?

@@johnkechagais7096 yes I can charge an BEV at home but I chose a Mirai over a plug in battery electric. I still have free hydrogen and plan on getting the new Mirai when my free gas runs out. I drive a lot for work so being able to go sometimes hundreds of miles without stopping for an hour at a time is really great. They really are a great option and I think more people would purchase them if they had the fueling infrastructure to utilize them.

This is the big Con fooling people into thinking going somewhere to fill up in 5 mins is important it's not charging at home is much better than filling up anywhere

Why?

Their fueling stations have been 💥 exploding 💥 😱 2 in Japan 1 in Europe (Japan govt is threatening to pull their grants and doubling down on their expectations)

@@nextleveljourney6612 I wonder what the backstories are behind these events. New tech inevitably brings up new problems.

TOYOTA MIRAI IS AN IDEAL CAR WITH A CLEAN ELECTRIC DRIVE WITHOUT LIMITING THE NEED TO CHARGE VERY SKILLFUL 🤔 👌🏻😎👍🏻

Yet

@@mblake0420 nuclear fusion does work that well yet either so let's not put it in cars

The hydrogen is made by reforming natural gas, there isn't enough supply to support the vehicles without wasting tons of other energy sources. You can use the electricity and charge the battery, or use that same electricity to create the hydrogen, and also use up natural gas, so that the hydrogen you create can be converted yet again into electricity. It's cool, but very wasteful to convert from one source of energy to another. This is why a battery powered car will always be cheaper.

Proof?

@@ociabi Unless you are piping your hydrogen to a refueling station, you need to truck your hydrogen. While for BEV, electricity goes through existing power lines. As for the manufactured from natural gas, you can read more here: www.eia.gov/energyexplained/hydrogen/production-of-hydrogen.php But you can just google things like "how do we create hydrogen"

And electricity cause greenhouse gases as well. 20% of USA electricity still comes from coal. Natural gas is a cleaner option. 1% of USA electricity also comes from cutting down trees and burning them. As well the electric infrastructure could not currently handle it if everyone suddenly switched to battery electric cars. Hydrogen doesn't have to be produced from natural gas there are other ways, just as electricity doesn't have to come from burning coal. There is no magic bullet to stop greenhouse gases, just small steps

Most current is from coal and gas, eliminate all devopment on bevs until electricity is 100% nuclear and renewable, then you may mention the footprint of h2

Electricity is made from coal when the world gets to zero coal then you may tout bevs till then fcev are a path to lower carbon

Well, those aren't things people who buy these cars do in a hurry...

It’s got a really grippy rubber pad

On my Camry , mine stay their, cuz my phone cover fit right there , it don't move. It only fly when I take off the cover.

0.60 8.8 seconds? I don't think it would be matter

You have to replace the battery in a BEV much quicker and those become toxic waste.

@@tacitus539 only if they are but recycled. Most places reuse batteries

@@tacitus539 Battery pack has to replaced i guess 8 yrs. Also its difficult to extract lithium from battery electrode in lithium ion battery pack. Needless to say many BEV manufacturers shows negligence in discussing recycling of lithium.

@@amitkrupal1234 it depends. I‘ve heard that Teslas do need to replace it regularly. We do have some 20 years old Prius Taxis with well over a million KM still running on the first battery. I currently own my second Toyota Hybrid (Corolla) and my first one was the first gen of Yaris Hybrid which I sold after 8 years (when warranty went out) it only lost 1% in battery capacity (you get a full battery analysis is done at the yearly inspections). Toyota has a quite good battery management.

@@amitkrupal1234 That's a lie. There's a 2013 Model S for sale in my area, that still has 90% of the capacity. And that's 8 year old tech at this point, the new ones are much better!

cant fill a gas car at home basically...

@@susanklenofsky6018 But can fill an electric car at home. That's why they're vastly superior, at least for those living in houses.

I like you. 😃😁

People or motoring channels?

@@alanrickett2537 Probably motoring channels promote certain behaviour. Many desires are thought and are not heartfelt. 🥀

There was an explosion of a hydrogen tank in South Korea in 2019 and Koreans are protesting any plans on building new hydrogen filling stations there. I just don't see this technology taking off.

@@devinbender8428 there is nowhere on earth where a government is pulling back on h2 stations.

The explosion even destroyed dozens of houses in the vicinity

@@prime8nate bruh, gasoline-triggered explosions far outnumber the hydrogen counterparts....stop capping.

@@samuraijosh1595 Bruh - the explosions might be more because gas being stored is a hell of a lot more than hydrogen. Totally not capping, bruh. Pass the jay.

Or in winter time dripping water on the road 🥶

How do you figure? I guess it doesn't rain or snow during the winter right? 🙄🤣🤣🤦

@@faststang85 Use your brain. When it rains and snows, people KNOW to use caution when driving. When it's a clear day and the roads are clear, people don't expect to have an icy patch on a highway entrance. Duh.

@@faststang85 Your stang must not be that fast if you can't grasp the concept of losing grip while accelerating.

Engineering is cutting edge...but it's the wrong solution for Cars. Maybe for Trucks?

@@archigoel could be. I mean, if you can get the range out of it. I am still waiting for solar powered cars.

I know they’ve been working on this technology for decades. But I do believe it’s still in its infancy, and at some point we’ll all be driving hydrogen cars. It’s makes too much sense.

No you won't, the globalists are making sure of that.

@@deejayimm that may be true.

Key word: current. 40% of hydrogen in California is already green.

​@@pdd3 "green" hydrogen (water split into H and O) is about 80% efficient - so throwing away 20% at the get go. The fuel cell is about 60% efficient in turning the hydrogen into electricity so throwing away 40% of the hydrogen's energy to re-make electricity to drive the car. Overall efficiency 48% (not taking hydrogen transportation and storage into account) for taking electricity to make hydrogen to then make electricity again. Much more efficient to put the original electricity into a battery to drive the car.

Most of the current for ev’s come from FF.

@@iowa_don when you also take out compressing the hydrogen the efficiency is in the order of 10-20% at the wheel

@@paulbedichek5177 60% at the moment in the US, the other 40% is from nuclear hydro, and other renewables www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php#:~:text=Coal's%20forecast%20share%20of%20electricity,and%20to%2019%25%20in%202022.

That, and/or other components. I drove a natural-gas 2012 Civic for a while and the tank had an expiration date of 15 years.

The Fuel Cell itself will be worn out as well, since it uses up it's platinum inside. So that'll have to be renewed as well, but after how many miles? No word about the reduction components (The fuel cell can't handle the10.000 psi from the tanks), nor about the actual Energy-comsumption -> how much Energy has been used to produce the 5Kg hydrogen. Also no values for leakage: how long can you let the car sit, before half of the Hydrogen-Supply has disappeared. A lot of information missing here.

@@jebjeb4135 Your questions apply equally to battery powered cars too.

@@seanhunt7750 actually no these questions don't apply equally to a battery Vehicle. It doesn't have a fuel cell with platinum that is slowly consumed, or pressure reducers. Yes, batteries do slowly drain over time but that is a known variable. Yes batteries have to be charged wich is the only unknown variable of where the electricity comes from. However, currently hydrogen is created directly from natural gas, which I know so does some of the electricity charging battery cars. But, if you drive a car that is just like driving a gas car and refills like a gas car then what is the point if it gets it's fuel source from the same place? And lastly, the tanks. Hydrogen is kind of special because it has a nasty habit of slowly leaking through the container walls which is a problem that NASA has been trying to solve for years. EV's biggest unknown is the battery life and granted that is a big unknown with all of these different battery chemistry changes.

Modern CNG and hydrogen tanks usually have a 20-25 year life span.

@@Upliftyourbrothers Yes, but H2 causes embritlement, which appears to be a thing.

@@devinbender8428 Thankfully I will be dead in 50 years. Though if I’m still alive and a trillionaire, I will spend the money.

@@devinbender8428 I am 6 years from retiring, so 50 years from now hopefully someone will have stopped me from driving if I am still alive! But my comments suggest I am already a grouchy old man! 😂

nah, it needs 5kgs of hydrogen, you need the 250kwh worth of energy to get those 5kg of H1

Yes there are some stations that generate hydrogen on site. They’re much more expensive than a delivery station. There are also stations (like Torrence in LA) that are on a pipeline. In Denmark and Germany they have several stations that generate on site with 100% renuables. Also it is possible to make a plug in fuel cell that can produce its own hydrogen. Nobody sells one yet but I imagine down the road somebody will. You can even power your home from these cars! Very cool stuff!

@@devinbender8428 you’re right it is more efficient to just charge a battery. But real world driving habits are different for everybody which is why FCELs make sense for some people. Gasoline is horrible but also super convenient for people as it stands right now. We’re getting to a renewable society in baby steps. Battery and FCEL cars are a step. I’m all for both.

@@devinbender8428 if you place a solar panel park next to the gas station it makes perfect sense. Just straight up charge any electric car that comes by and it can make hydrogen during times where there isnt a car that needs electricity. The same could be done with all power stations, wether its hydro, air or nuclear. Just make hydrogen out of it during moments where there is less demand than there is supply

@@joshkiej6601 That's the hope for hydrogen, that it can be a energy storage medium even though you lose 20- 30% to make it, because that electricity would be wasted in low demand times anyway. Its very hard to store hydrogen though.

How’s it a joke if you just said it’s the future 😂😂

@@alighaus4127 you're not understanding what he's trying to say when he says "hydrogen cars are the future and always will be ". Think about it for a second. Come on, you can do it. Let us know if we have to explain it to you.

Tesla's are terribly inefficient. A 2001 toyota camry is more energy efficient

@@reefermonster9651 Not really. Looking at the powertrain alone, a Tesla Model S is about 4 times more efficient than a 2001 Camry (25 MPG vs. 100 MPGe) and Model 3 is even more efficient. It gets even worse once you start to considering the transportation of fuel, the warming process of an ICE, compared to an electric power plant, including a coal power plant, which is much more efficient than an ICE.

@@reefermonster9651 Sorry it is not! all tesla are above 100 mpg equivalent there is 9 kwh in a litre of petrol. the 100 kwh battery pack that does 400 miles in the model S so 11 litre of petrol or 3 gallons.

But it has a pretty shiny display😊

Seriously, at least then I could fit in it. My $7000 Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than that.

It would be too heavy. Aerodynamics are really important in Hydrogen cars.

@@alfrredd Aero is just as important in BEV's but they have lots of interior room. Someday I hope people realize Hydrogen doesn't make sense for passenger vehicles. Maybe for long distance trucking or for planes and shipping but for small vehicles BEV's are a much better fit.