I Spy, with my Little Pi... 

Daleks trying to ~EXTERMINATE~ since 1963

But...but Daleks are cyborgs, not AI. They have a chewy center...

^ Daleks are biological squids in a thicc metal suit. Not even been all that many pure AI enemies in the modern Who-verse(?). Been a couple of robots over the years, like the clockwork robots. Not watched all the old stuff, but google does show a few from old Who.

But the Terminators are waiting patiently......

@@Yuriel1981 Maybe that's why Zuck and Musk seem so off...

Plot twist: I didn't lol

The caption also said he didn't lol

6:36

Twist tie, no plots or zips.

That's what the shiny case is for - to hide the diy mess inside. ;-)

A lot of good questions! A few quick answers (not all): A. I believe using Home Assistant, you can do this-I don't know if Frigate has anything built in for that kind of logic. B. No official app, but most people use it with Home Assistant, which does have an app (I didn't cover that in this video). BB. It has the web UI which exposes individual camera views and a 'birdseye' grid of all cameras. For remote, you'd need to set up some sort of connection like with Twingate, or Wireguard (that's how I do it). E. For the CM4, I'd say 4-6 1080p cameras, or 2-3 4K cameras (if recording 24x7, plus motion detect + single coral). For Pi 5 (or future CM5), maybe double that, especially if you have two Corals. F. Total cost of my system, cameras included, $1-1.5k. Install (not including running cabling) probably 1-1.5 hours, including software setup. First time will take longer as you're learning how to get Frigate set up for your cameras and your needs. G. For updates, so far (only been 6 months in my setup) it's just swapping out a version number in Docker, or running a couple commands to upgrade the Docker container from the old stable version to the latest stable version. Since Docker uses a volume mount for data storage, and in my case, configuration files are also mounted in, as long as the upgrade doesn't require configuration syntax changes, it's quite simple. H. DHCP on my router here-but I believe you can set things up on the Pi if you want to have it be its own little router for the cameras. I haven't done that in my setup, at least not yet.

I can actually see this as good advice in general when mounting drives.

Installing packages with --user will still break things. Say you have a system installed program X written in Python that depends on library Y. As your user, you install a different version of library Y with pip. This can break program X, because it will see your user's library Y in preference to the system one, and if they are not compatible, X will no longer run, and you may have no idea why and blame the distro or program. The problem with PEP 668 is that it uses a wrong solution, not that the problem it identified isn't real. What it should have done is made pip create and run inside a virtualenv by default if externally managed is set to true. Things would just work and the user would not need to know or care about any of this.

@@SussyBaka-nx4ge that's what pipx is for, and yeah, that is a real problem. However, most of the software I use is not written in Python and does not depend on it, and those that do either don't break with all of the libraries I've installed, or in rare cases when they do (which didn't happen to me in years) would just print out offending library in the traceback for me to figure.

@@hatkidchan_ pipx is a good tool, it really should just be the default behaviour on externally managed python installations though.

Omg, just discovered the EXTERNALLY-MANAGED file! Many thanks 😊 PEP 668 is indeed very silly

Good point!

The only sanctions they're under is from government contracts or entities that receive government funding. And the sanctions are a joke. You can go with Hikvision or Dahua and have the hard coded CCP back door in your cameras, or you can go with an NDAA compliant camera and have the NSA hard coded back door in your camera. They don't even try to hide it, you can use an EEPROM dumper to dump the camera firmware and see it all. After the initial scare of the US Government "banning" Hikvision and Dahua, most of the supply houses dumped their products like they were cancer, but it wasn't but a year or two after that they started advertising them again, just not NDAA compliant.

HIKVision is banned in a lot of countries. Unfortunately, the company I work for has about 20 of these junk NVRs. The software is total junk. Thankfully we are slowly replacing them with Meraki cameras.

@@BlackBagData While iVMS4x00 leaves a lot to be desired, it's not literal ewaste trash like Meraki. Meraki is a dystopian nightmare of anti-consumer practices, and it's hideously expensive. Cisco nickel and dimes you to death on everything. Vendor lock-in, requiring all sorts of licenses to do anything, no easy way to do local on-site storage. It's also not safe at all. "oops, sorry, your payment information was misconfigured so we shut your cameras off, we don't care about that murder that just happened, toodaloo, no video for you!" Meraki is basically the Apple of the CCTV world. And Hikvision isn't "banned" in "a lot of countries". Many countries have placed restrictions on where Hikvision and Dahua cameras can be used, but the public are not banned from buying or selling them.

@BlackBagData is your company selling them or giving the old ones away?

@@kodedjackson we e-waste them since we are a non-profit that has to follow strict guidelines that wouldn’t allow for either.

this guy frigates…

I frigor 💀

yaml too

my favorite type of boat

Frickn' Frigate!

As long as you plant them in fertile soil and keep them warm!

Hehe sorry about the impact to your credit card statement!

Welcome to St. Louis!

Perfect timing!

Did you ever run into issues with frigate picking it up?

@@anonanon4732I didn't have any issues. I've got a video showing how I configured it on my channel but I didn't do anything special.

Oh neat! I was looking around for a simple low-resource-usage NVR and couldn't find any since MotionEyeOS seemed to die off, but I've now added Moonfire to my project, I'll hopefully get to testing it sometime: github.com/geerlingguy/pi-nvr/issues/13

Pi 2? It's 2024, not 1764.

Some people seem to love shinobi-I just couldn't get the hang of it, maybe it was just not mapping to my mental model of what a UI should be :D

That's another good tip for performance, especially if you have less storage space. My 8TB should go for a good long while, but for 24x7 recording, you can survive on 1 or 2 TB with the 480p streams.

Always run the cameras on a separate VLAN, don't give them Internet access! :)

Alternatively, block their network access to everything but the NVR. It's sad to have to do this and limits how you can wire your network. But still, better than having a botnet in your home

​​@@JeffGeerling I'd love to see a tutorial in your channel (for open IPC)

@@JeffGeerling Isolation is what the US government and 99% of installers apparently don't understand.

Interesting... I think I might do some testing, get temperatures over a day or so, flip the fans, and do it again, to see if it makes much difference in this setup.

​@JeffGeerlin probably the best way, but also account for the temperature in the house/ room you have it in to make it more reliable data

Thanks! And yes, health is great! Best I've been in the past decade, which is so nice after having a couple pretty rough years.

Ha! I didn't even record that with my old Canon GL1!

Indeed; I wish Google poured some more effort into supporting it and maybe releasing a newer version!

there may be a few quirks, but hopefully the CM5 is a drop in replacement!

haha I think you had been asking about this, right? It's been a while since I promised this video!

​@@JeffGeerling Yep. On stream. Thanks for video. And hello from Ukraine.

I can imagine with how many devices have *not* released the magic smoke this year... some big one's gonna go poof soon!

Unifi is a great option, especially if you're in that ecosystem. Most things 'just work' and they have good quality (for usually a little higher price, but that's what you pay for!). WiFi is always a bit of a problem with cameras, I have had a lot of little issues with Ring, SimpliSafe, and Nest cams over WiFi, so I've replaced all but a few now with PoE wired cams, which are like 99.999% reliable compared to maybe 98% on the WiFi cameras (they always seem to fail when you actually need them, too...).

Yeah, typically only some routers and networking equipment is configured to exhaust out the front, as they are sometimes installed in the back of a rack. Though for small-business-focused rackmount enclosures, it's the wild west. Many small switches have side-mount fans (though I often see them used for exhaust, rather than intake!). Definitely need to watch thermals on this box.

@@JeffGeerling the other thing I see a lot is people running racks without a front or back and then wondering why the cooling isn't working. Need that tight air stream just like super cars doo to hold them to the ground

@@chriscjjones8182 Wait, how fast are your server fans going if the rack is lifting off the ground!? :D

@@JeffGeerling 😂😂😂 Love it

I'm so tired of AI hype, it was better when we just called it machine learning and tried doing useful things with it haha

A good point! I have a blog post showing how I reset and upgraded each of the four cameras that came with the place. Though even with the latest firmware (from 2018, on these older camera models), I'm nervous about letting the cameras run wild, so they're getting their own separate VLAN.

The inside thing is a little odd, though I can see where that law would come from. In the US, I think most of us just assume that every single inch of civilized area has a couple camera angles rolling at all times, and when you go outside, there are at least 20 satellites monitoring you :D

@@JeffGeerling In Texas, at least, better not have mics on your camera unless you get the other person's consent as recording conversations is illegal. Not to mention the entire uploading of recordings to help Frigate build its models on. It's on thing to record your property and at the end of a set time that footage gets erased, its another thing to be part of a project that actively encourages the uploading of recordings of others without any sort of consent for AI training. Very much a privacy for me, not for thee. It is unfortunate that the AI gold rush is once again occurring at the expense of so many things once considered important by the open source community. If Frigate wasn't so centered on their model subscriptions that encourage this behavior, it would be nothing to get concerned about, but that is not the case. Europe has the right of it to codify it into law, your new toys don't give you the right to further the violation of other's rights just because something is neat.

@@LackofFaithify I haven't heard about Frigate uploading footage to train the models it uses-if that's the case, I would be very disappointed.

Ah, good to know! Might need to adjust my setup method then.

All those things were over my head when I started testing out Frigate last year too! It's hard to convey the whole learning process, and I did start out knowing YAML pretty well already. But a lot of it is not necessary-I mention you can start with just a Pi 4 or Pi 5, or a little Intel PC, and one or two cameras. I typically try to start a project from the simplest base first, and once I get that working, I move on to more complicated bits. There are some other good videos (I know of one from apalrd's adventures in particular) that do a great job of stepping up from the first principles, though they take a little longer to get going.

@@JeffGeerling I run my own frigate on TrueNAS which was so much simpler for a get something up and running but frigates documentation is so out of date it's not funny which makes it even hard to learn it. I'm happy to see these videos don't get me wrong I just think people forget how large of a learning curve these things are! that box you put together was for you and you understand it so that's all that matters but man DIY with computers is getting so complicated!!

Very neat possibilities of deploying an 'edge camera' network, where the cameras themselves are configured to do detection and send only relevant clips. It would make things like WiFi more feasible for some use cases!

@@JeffGeerling Some very cool "edge camera" network related fun inbound no doubt. I was very impressed with what was on display at the show. Theres a nice m.2 2230/2242 hat inbound as well which looks pretty cool. I also had a look at some of the Pi products being pushed by Kontron in the industrial space. Impressive what is being produced on this platform now.

I have not ported from Core to Scale, but have run both, and preferred Scale (though I'm not using it actively right now; I was using it for the past year until I moved over to the new HL15 NAS). Scale is Linux, which matches my other servers, I'm less familiar with BSD.

Reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes

I spy STH!

@@JeffGeerling I spy JeffyG spying STH!

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Oh no, it's spyception!