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Ye I have a rtx 3050 right now I was scared to go amd but now I regret it it's not good value for money and there's better gpus out there from amd that cost less and perform better in terms of the money you paying
Hey buddy, the idle powerconsumption is easy fixable: Either u put ur second monitor on 60hz and ur main on max refreshrate OR Enable VSR, this got reported dropping the idle from 100ish to 20w idle with full refreshrate on both monitors!
Hardware wise they are fantastic but their software side has stunk since it was ATI. My friend lost his 3090 and he could not bring himself to buy a 4090 to replace it. He did training of AI models, and Stable Diffusion. I got him to get the best 7900XTX out there (my favourite brand for AMD) the Sapphire Nitro+. He loved the card and so much cooler, and faster, than his 3090. Told him. YAY, but not so fast once you leave the gaming world because the main things he used the 3090 for just flat out don't work, is wonky, or never (yet) implement. ROCm, and attention, is the main downfalls to AMD for AI stuff NOT the hardware. Throw in the fact Python people are so Nvidia (to the point I speculate paid off) that if for AI we are stuck, for now, with Nvidia. My hope lies with Intel come Druid, or Celestial.
The issue you mention at 18:50 has a basic explanation. One (darker) has full legal colors (0-255) and the other one is limited (16-235). It's an ancient safety feature for old TVs that can't show full colors or incompatible with them and crush all the blacks. Try checking control panels of your GPUs for this setting or make sure you check ''legalize'' option in Atomos Ninja recorder menus.
I think this actually has to do with a color profile being applied in borderless windowed mode vs fullscreen mode. The difference between the two images isn't _just_ in the two extremes, but an overall saturation difference even on colors between 16 and 235. This is most likely an incorrect sRGB vs DCI P3 color profile setting.
@@almostprofessionalrecords6651 It's more than that. Even modern 4K TVs are affected. It's because all media is made in Limited 16-235. So that means all of your movies unless they are HDR are in limited 16-235. After much experimentation, the 16-235 range was adopted by pretty much all cinematic and creative arts applications. Your streaming services and Blu-rays carry content that’s nearly always mastered in limited RGB.
why do nvidia shills try to force you to use nvidia? i have a nvidia+ intel gaming laptop and it sucks ass. Its gte hot as hell, Geforce now is dog water and makes me what to empty my airsoft rifle into the thing. Im sorry but i like my AMD computer waaaay better. ray tracing is nothing to me im more interested in the gpu settings and modding my games and for me the AMD gpu's just work without me wanting to kick the thing off my desk.
Nvidia "shill" chiming in. After my 4090 had an issue so I had to RMA, I bought 7900xtx from Asrock (Taichi) and I have crashes in every game, stutters in every game that could not be fixed with any optimization tips on youtube and reddit, overheating hotspot of 105 C just while gaming, 450 watt draw (while my 4090 pulls 420 max if it is 100% utilized, but 4090 actually draws around 300-350 watts in almost all scenarios, because it's too powerful for any CPU right now). I don't have crashed with 4090, never did since I bought it. Drivers are beyond solid. Let me think what else on AMD side....driver timeouts. After crash to desktop. So, yeah, don't let this "shill" stop you from buying AMD card. Just pray you won't have at least 2 of my issues Stutters are present even in Unigine Heaven, and Asrock is a solid company. So much for hoping AMD can get their act together after 10 years I've been with NVIDIA since Radeon 7950 HD (2013) Oh, and don't forget the infamous AMDip in frames, as Frame Chasers channel puts it.
I've run nuthin but amd just something about nVidia just rubbed me the wrong way as a company from how they do the board partners to the pricing kinda feel the same on Intel " though the have gotten better " but I'm worried even more between AI and now with amd talking about not having a flagship card for the 8000 series worried what the price gonna be for the 5090 5080 and probably even the 5070
@@UtubemeNohomo Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX. When I bought it it was the only decent board I could find under 200 USD. I would say it's on the premium side of quality, it just lacks overclocking features that the 7800X3D does not need. For the RAM I got G. Skill Trident c30 6000mhz, which seems to be the best ram out there for AM5
The only card worth buying today, maybe a 7700xt if it drops in price or a 7900 GRE if you can find it. It recently appeared in Europe (7900 GRE) at a price of around 615 euros, which is only 60 euros more expensive than the 7800xt.
I was so disgusted with Nvidia's current business ethics, or lack thereof, when it comes to the GPU consumer, I bought a AMD card. Hopefully, things will change with them, but I'm not holding my breath. Fortunately, I won't have to worry about upgrading for a couple generations.
You dont mention this in the video, but in the linux/bsd world nvidia has the instable bad closed source drivers, and amd has the stable, good, (mostly)opensource drivers.
Nvidia has gotten a lot better since then. 555.58 added explicit sync so no more jittering on Wayland. 560 is even better. I have a 3050 ti Mobile laptop, old 1050 ti machine, and got a 7900 GRE for my build.
My last Nvidia gpu was a 9500GT back in the days. Since then i ran AMD gpus because the have a better price to performance ratio. Never had any problems with those. Nvidia's recent actions only make me distance myself even more from them
My last last Nvidia was a Gainward 9800 GT GS. It was a 9800 GTX+ in disguise which could run 818mhz with 128 shaders instead of the 650mhz and 112 of the GT. And there came the Problems. At the GTX 290 Launch and the GTX 480 launch i had sudden driver problems: The Card was demoted to a GT as i lost Shaderunits and Overclocking capability with some driver Versions. Always when a new Nvidia series was launched. Last time Nvidia. On work i still use Nvidia and i do builds for other poeple with Nvidia cards, but not personal.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Curiously, i still have the 965 and Board with which she was later paired with, but the Gainward 9800GT GS is atm in the 2008 Nostalgia Gaming PC with its first mate the C2D E8500 on a P45 Board. (And another Grudge as Physic-X had to run on the CPU when you had an AMD CPU without hacked Physic-X drivers, so suddenly some Games slower with the more powerfull CPU.)
I got into the RTX hype with a 2060S and later upgraded to a 3070 and all I can say is that both cards were nothing but disappointing when it came do RT. Never quite managing a proper 60fps. Every new RTX sponsored game that came out was worse and worse. Then the 3070 vram size became an issue. So the 12gb 4070ti wasn’t looking good. All I saw was more disappointing RT and vram size issues. So I got the 7900 instead. It’s been great.
@@adi6293 It's cool to check out once but thats it. You can do that on amd gpu. it runs like sht either way unless you have 4090 and play on 1080p, 1440p max.
Again, it’s like a lot of you don’t know the graphical powers between GPUs. At LEAST your GPU had RT, vs NOTHING that AMD was offering lol it’s like complaining for having SOMETHING, vs nothing. You upgraded to 7900 which is similar to a 4080. And I play Cyberpunk Maxed out DLSS 3, with its NEW Ray Reconstruction technology, (AMD doesn’t have) and Frame Generation, I’m playing this game EASILY over 100 fps. Your 7900 wouldn’t even come close! Not even AMD’s top GPU can beat my FPS on my 4080 on cyberpunk.
@@eliesercepeda686 2060S and RT 😂😂😂😂 what an idiot, also you have DLSS 3 on? So what is your real fps? 50? The game will soon get FSR3 too and you can already use AFMF to a great effect in Cyberpunk, I have a 7900XTX and I play with RT on no problem 👍
@@adi6293even without rt the 2060 super was a good midrange card and if you got the promo it came with Metro Exodus and Control making it a great value plus giving a taste of the new tech. Now with the 4090 rt is playable at high framerates.
Great video! I'm eager to see what you think about the card after using it for a while. I've been on the 7900XTX for about 6 months now and I couldn't be happier. I'm curious what experience you'll have.
@@KamleshMallick I play all my games at 1440p. They perform great! I play a lot of different stuff. Some older games, some new stuff. I haven't found anything yet that my card couldn't handle.
@@davidhays2913 It's a shame to use such a powerful card for 1440p gaming, the 6800 non-xt is more than enough for that. If you can, get a 4k monitor or connect pc to tv to take advantage of the full power of such a beast of a gpu
@@KamleshMallick I only have a 6700 xt and I run 1440p flawlessly in anything I've tried, at 144 hz too. It'll do 4k at 60hz too. Needless to say something like a 7900 xtx no doubt smashes these resolutions in but all but the most demanding games.
It's very easy to get back that slightly more contrasty look with AMD, if you want it. Open Adrenaline software, go to the "Gaming" tab at the top, open "Displays". Choose which screen you want to adjust. In the right hand column, set "Custom Color" to enabled, and tweak Brightness/Contrast settings to your preference.
Well to be fair he did say he was trying to minimize the tweaking of settings as most people would just plug and play so he wanted it to represent the most common experience.
@@NFchegg : Been wondering, about AMD's Adjusting Color settings, since I am so use to the Nvidias Control Panle. Looked up videos but the just mention setting the color Profiles for those particular games. I like Adjust color all round, so when not gaming, and want to watch a RU-vid video want the color to be set, since I been wanting to Switch to AMD buy a 7800XT Hope understand my question TY👍
When you have ONLY owned nVidia cards, you have no basis for having an opinion on AMD. I have owned both and I think most people who will only consider nVidia are just not very smart.
I've had a 6700 xt and I wanted to throw my gpu across the room more times then I could count the drivers were fine.... Until I went to update drivers and it would sometimes update no problem or cause me to reinstall windows as it deleted crucial system files. I'm not biased when I say this but I will say with my Nvidia card so far knock on wood I have not had any issues it's more mature I guess lol. You pay the Nvidia tax for mature drivers stability ray tracing more or less better dlss at least if you upscale which you will now days as games suck I want my graphics not to shimmy and dance in the background until amd fixes that with all games I'm not willing to do that to myself. Then again I'm a graphics snob and I like my graphics as close to perfect as they can. If I was not a graphics snob I would say go out and buy amd but be aware they may put out a driver that breaks things. I said enough tried hard to be un biased in my wording but someone is bound to turn this around
@@thebossroleplay4105 I have never had any of the problems you describe with an AMD card. Perhaps you had a bad card that should have been exchanged. Regardless, I wish you well and if buying nVidia is your solution, I hope that works out for you.
I like AMD over Nvidia because I like to run Linux, and the compatibility with Nvidia is not worth the headache. Both are companies at the end of the day and they are not your friends. It just seems that AMD is more likely at the moment to not spit in your face.
While they won't spit in your face, they are, however, a bit lax on their GPGPU stuff. If there's one area of software they need to spend time focussing their development efforts on, it's their Linux compute stuff.
I made the switch years ago because I got sick of my nvidia GPUs dying on me due to drivers. That was back when Nvidia's drivers kept killing the GTX 400/500 GPUs. I switched to the 290x and stayed with AMD since. I would rather have a GPU that runs slower than the competitions but isn't killed due to planned obsolescence. The way I kept my GTX 560 ti from dying was rolling back to older drivers because anything newer than a certain point cause them to run so hot they would cook themselves and that is how my GTX 460 died.
The AMD card looks like it's using limited RGB and the Nvidia card is using full RGB. Go into AMD Settings, display, and set it to 4:4:4 Full RGB or YCbCr and compare output quality.
Wouldn't be shure about that, the examples in the video more look like oversaturation. crushing details in bright and dark areas are typical for color range beyond the monitors range.
@@Ashitaka0815 Could be, but I know AMD cards have a weird affinity for defaulting to limited RGB. One monitor I literally can not set it to full RGB unless I use HDMI for some reason.
I like how you mentioned that most of the time people won't even notice the differences in the upscaling unless they are pixel peeping. It's a point I wish more people would make in their discussions of it, because the truth is, most people will not notice 99% of the differences between them during actual gameplay.
people really dig into the Nvidia propaganda. and i'm really tired of hearing people dig into this hole where they meatride Nvidia at every chance, going "i'm NEVER touching Radeon" when they get told that its an objectively better GPU than the Nvidia option. or that they ask for the best GPU to buy and get disgusted when the answer is clearly not gonna be Nvidia and likely NEVER will be again.
I notice it during gameplay, don't need to pixel peep for it. a lot of people can't keep up with action games and a lot of people don't have good eye sight either, this is also where people don't notice the difference. people never talk about the limitations of people and how this a factor.
Blame majority of big tech youtubers that continue to praise DLSS like is 100% better than FSR2, when in reality the difference is not even noticeable for the average joe when is gaming. One thing i think AMD need to try. Release a monster card better than 4090 or 4090ti. They can do it, even if it will cost +2k and 600w power. This is needed because of "perception". RU-vidrs when benchmarking always use the best GPU to not be bottlenecked, so constantly using Nvidia, than they are indirectly marketing it, and Nvidia knows this , thats why they always release a monster GPU for perception and mindshare. AMD cannot beat Nvidia like it beated Intel with a Ryzen moment. They really need to compete neck to neck in Ray Tracing, and then launch a killer GPU.
@@yeahitsme4427 if they plan to release RDNA 4 instead of a Refresh (likely since they did say that RDNA 3 lineup is basically complete) they can definitely throw the 4090 for a loop. since there will not be a 4090 Ti. its a genius plan if Nvidia wishes to delay Blackwell till 2025.
True, it's rapidly improving thanks to AMD's recent efforts. It's good seeing it because more and more AMD is being seen as the better option in terms of price but often lacking in anything other than gaming performance. If that's no longer the case, NVIDIA will have no other option than to lower their prices drastically and not give us the bare minimum hardware wise or face giving up a large chunk of their market share.
@@LessThanPeachy I don't get the price argument. AMD is often similar to barely cheaper in price than Nvdia but you generally lose features and performance by doing so.
I've been doing that on my 6700 XT lately. AI that is, specifically running LLM's on Linux. It definitely took _a lot_ more setting up and figuring out than it would have on an Nvidia card, but once you get Rocm working on Linux the performance I think is not bad. I am running q3 13b models with 6k context at somewhere between 5-9 token/s now. Still, it's not the best but I could see the case being made to go for a 7900 XTX to get that 24gb at considerably less cost than a 4090. Though a 3090 may still do you better if you could get that cheap. Biggest issue with AMD really isn't hardware, it's software compatibility. If you can get rocm to work properly, it works well, but that's a big if sometimes. I couldn't get it to work on Windows at all and wound up needing to dual boot linux.
@@larion2336I had to do the same thing for my 6700xt, but after switching to Linux Stable Diffusion works great. I am Technical person, so it wasn’t a big deal for me to switch to Linux, but it is huge disadvantage for majority of consumers.
Ray Tracing is so over rated. I'm glad you said it. I've been playing Alan Wake 2 on my 7900 XTX. When I turn on RT the performance tanks. This would happen on Nvidia as well. I see no significant improvement in graphics with RT. To improve my frame rate I turn on FSR. The game is then playable, but looks significantly downgraded. I have seen some comparisons and it does seem like DLSS is slightly better looking, but to my eye, nothing is currently better than native resolution with raster graphics. I've had no major driver issues. I truly cannot see why anyone would prefer RT on with DLSS even for single player games. Maybe after 5 years from now when games can be played with better versions of RT at high res, I'll look for the best RT card. Currently, I am all raster at full resolution.
The drivers really got alot better since 2018/19 and have been rock solid ever since. It was ashame they got that low latency bug wrong but that will be resolved in time I'm sure
I wouldn't say rock solid. I have a 7900xt and some games will crash my system to a black screen. Others have had this issue and it's still ongoing. I thought it was power requirements but I meet them and others confirmed it wasn't.
@@sshunt2987why I changed to nvidia. It would give me black screen cuz the windows update amd driver with drivers from 2020. I ran a different benchmark and it would run fine but once I start a game it's crashes.
Zlatan's wife: I found a nice new build but has no display card. Zlatan: Then you go to AMD and you get the display card Brooker: Rich people they don't buy AMD display card Zlatan: No but intelligent people do😉
18:30 Is your Monitor sRGB, or DCI P3 / AdobeRGB? I think the difference you're showing between 4070 Ti and 7800 XT is _not_ the difference between the GPUs, but rather the difference between rendering Full Screen and rendering in Borderless Windowed, since that can affect whether or not Microsoft applies its color profile conversion. Even if full screen vs windowed isn't the cause, the differences shown definitely look like a Color Profile issue, not a fundamental difference between the way the two cards render. Try to run Nvidia on fullscreen mode to verify. If that doesn't work, check your color profile settings in both GPUs, and/or use a Monitor that has 100% sRGB with no support or low percentages on DCI P3 / Adobe RGB. Also check any color profile assumptions with your capture device. Besides those, you can only try to apply an sRGB -> DCI P3 conversion to the final videos to see if that makes the two videos match in saturation (A post-processing conversion will be lower quality than originally capturing it correctly, but it may prove whether or not it's really a color profile issue)
I am super interested in this video I'm only several minutes in but my 6900 was my first AMD card and it changed my mind about AMD, but ultimately went 4090 because... Frame Gen and Ray Tracing. But now with the shortage I'm really considering cashing in and getting an AMD card and pocketing some cash.
Nvidia has an ARMY of fanboys like Apple (AMD has them too but not nearly as much). NEVER listen to fanboys. Just gather info from reliable sources and get what you need at the lowest price you can get. P.S. Idle power was fixed in Adrenalin 23.12.1
I've had nividia since 2008. I've had many little issues with my cards over the years that I didn't know wasn't common. I've switched to 7900xtx and boy my everyday experience is waaay better going from 2080s both watercooled
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Literally the target audience for exactly this video. Statistics already show Nvidia having _more_ driver issues now. I swapped from Nvidia to AMD and it resolved a lot of driver issues I had with Nvidia (In my case I had Linux driver issues, but they were Nvidia's proprietary drivers, and Nvidia's main price/performance advantage is in Artificial Intelligence, which usually runs on Linux!). Either way, driver issues and support are really a toss-up between two brands now. And for either brand, you should never buy a card too soon after it comes out to let them fix driver issues for a bit.
@@MrRoxBrown and i've never had a problem with nvidia, but that's why anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. the issues are well documented on a global scale.
I built a brand new PC about 4 months ago and went with a 6900 XT. My last PC had a 760 TI in it (laughs), and I wanted to build something for under 3k CAD, GPU choice being the toughest. It all came down to RT vs more GPU memory for the price and in some blind tests I actually preferred non-RT options in the samples I viewed, so I wound up deciding on a 6800 XT for my budget. Luckily, when actually pricing parts I found a brand new 6900 XT on Ebay, cheaper than any retailer by 100 CAD, so that's what I went with. So far I'm super happy with it and I figure it will keep me happy with 1440p gaming for a few years to come (fingers crossed). BTW, my monitor wouldn't shut off sometimes depending on the driver release. This happened with 2 or 3 of the Adrenaline drivers that I've used since the build.
I'm happy gaming at 1440p with a 6700 XT. With a 6900 you can probably do 4K just fine (at 60hz I can also do it). So I think you are definitely right about getting a good few years out of that.
Don't need to laugh about your 760ti. I'm looking to upgrade now and my last GPU was a 960. Plenty people out there like us that waited through the crypto/pandemic pricing. I'll probably end up getting a 7800xt, but still crossing my fingers on finding something on eBay like you did.
Yes, I can do 4k in pretty much every game I play, but my 4k TV is trash compared to my 1440 gaming monitor. The 6700 XT is what I first had my eye on with this build as it seems to be a very respectable card from all the research I did. It really is only by luck that I got the card I have because I wouldn't have bought it at the prices on Amazon, Newegg, etc.@@larion2336
How did you make the 7800xt use so much power at idle? My 7900xt idles at 10w, unless I turn on desktop capture with a pre-recording buffer of a minute, then it increases to 40w.
I my self own a 6800xt, coming from a 3070ti. I do production work (Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Premiere) and gaming. Well no problem running all those softwares........ People need to know that AMD is more or less plug and play. No problem here.
Have you ran into any programs you cant run? I feel like Radeon is better at fine details which is what I want in a gpu but the added programs with nvidea make me question.
The last AMD card I had was many years. The XFX Radeon HD 6970. I've had two Nvidia cards since. The 970 and 2070 Super. Both were good cards. Just recently bought a 7900 XTX. So far so good. Very strong card.
I run Nvidia at the moment (3080) and Nvidias drivers have been absolute crap on Many games in my time owning it (bought one when it was a fresh release). AMDs software is WAY more refined. If AMD hits the nail on the head with FSR 3.0 and can actually produce a 4090 competitor then I'll make that switch.
the only way I can notice Ray tracing is when someone does a screen shot and side by side with non Ray trace, and even then half the time i cant tell until someone points it out. I think RT is 100% worthless for me. I have a 3070ti and i play without it as I can never tell the difference in vid quality but can certainly tell the diff with performance. To me and my eyes its pure marketing goblygook. You may have a difference experience, I'm just stating what I see. I also cant notice an difference in performance above 60fps. I could care less what brand card I use. If i could have found a good deal on a 6800xt a couple years ago I would have purchased that. I just found a 3070ti on Ebay for $300, I couldnt come with in $150 of that for the 6800xt at the time. I still dont think you can find a 6800xt for $300.
7900 xtx power color red devil.....but caught it on sell on Amazon for 775 bucks...couldn't best it. Had to repaste the die...but other than that...cool card so far.
Yeah, that sounds like a power color problem more than an AMD problem anyway. It's not like AMD ships the chips pre-pasted to the cooler manufacturers.
So many people in the comments here that act exactly like nvidia fanboys do about AMD. Having swapped between red and green througout the years a lot, I've had a far more stable experience with nvidia drivers than i have with AMD drivers, especially in older games. None of this is a black and white decision. Running a 1660 right now but if i upgrade it will be an AMD card simply because Nvidia is just too expensive these days.
Swapped out my 3080 for a 7900xt and the difference was night and day. The last few updates with Nvidia I saw worse fps and more problems in game. Haven't had a single issues with the 7900xt since switching.
Lmao the 7900xt is the equivalent of a 4080. Of course there’s a difference! If you swapped an equivalent GPU in power and THEN saw something, perhaps your comment would make more sense lol
@@eliesercepeda686 Did you even bother to read my comment ? I'm not talking about in game performance, being able to use higher graphic settings, or fps. What I mentioned was driver updates and how I haven't had any issues since switching to AMD. Compared to Nvidia which the last 4 or 5 updates have been a mess.
@@spentcasing3990 Your first line in your comment stated that once you swapped it was night and day. That’s it. Then you added other things which are irrelevant. AMD has BARELY got its firmware issues together. But it was NEVER Nvidia who lagged behind. In fact in the last month or so I’ve had 2 firmware updates from Nvidia.
Nvidia is superior in most things, except price-to-performance in raster, and price-per-Gb in memory available. Also, Nvidia has a terrible track-record of geting new features wich are simply not available/compatible on purpose on older generations, sometimes by just 1 year old hardware. This is unaceptable for a consumer POV. Their prices and anti-consumer tactics are simply too bad for me to accept. If Nvidia would accept geting 10% less profit and just be less greedy overall, they would crush AMD in everything. Fortunately they do not, and thus AMD has a chance to keep fighting. And i will keep buying underdog products because i believe the world can't be just profits and corporate monopoly. AMD has been great for me in price-to-performance, i love my 6700XT 12gb, and i'll upgrade for a 7800XT in a year or two, but won't buy Nvidia out on purpose till they learn the customer is not all that dumb.
RX 6800 here, absolutely the best GPU I've ever had. Runs any game 1440p max settings (without RT) well over 60 fps. If you are like me, and don't care about computationally unfeasible, artificially hyped-up features, and don't want to spend the price of an entire PC on a single component, AMD is the way to go. Currently, I'm not planning to ever go back to Nvidia.
Good video. I'm probably not your target (I don't care at all about price to performance ratios) but I do appreciate your testing, research, opinion and effort in what you've presented here. Very nice.
I’ve never had the alleged AMD driver issues Nvidia hacks always claim they have. Nvidia has made up around 25% of my GPU purchases and I don’t see a difference in driver issues at all. What I see is everyone believing the *narrative* of AMD drivers, so any time anything goes wrong…they blame the drivers automatically. Then reinstall them over and over when it was never the problem in the first place. Then when they finally figure out where the problem actually was, be it the operating system, Nvidia’s old drivers still buried in the OS effectively as a worm obstructing AMD (or now Intel) drivers, power supply issues, etc etc, who do they blame? The AMD drivers. It’s just narrative. The same way Nvidia can have that freezing monitor issue seemingly forever and NO ONE ever says, wow…Nvidia drivers are crap. Or Nvidia drivers leaving themselves buried in your OS to screw with competitor GPUs and no one says wow…Nvidia drivers are crap. Nvidia drivers ARE crap. Why should anyone have to run DDU in safe mode to scrape their drivers out of their OS ever, at all? What kind of superior drivers are those? If you’re an Nvidia fanboy or the typical PC gamer who only buys prefabs and is actually in no way smarter than the standard console fanboy, you’ll probably never figure out how stupid this actually is. And just being real…that’s most PC gamers.
What I like most about AMD: They make their frame generation stuff available to everyone. That's how I was able to play Baldur's Gate 3 on my potato GTX 1060 from 7 years ago, while Nvidia wouldn''t give me anything on that card. And that's also why I bought an RX 7900 XT 20GB. I'm used to potato gaming on PC so this will be a hell of an upgrade
@@ezyfnef That's fine. Everything is overpriced but if it's good I'm happy with it. Bought mainly this one for the 20GB. I hope they will take me a long way
@@ezyfnef It was overpriced, recent price drops however, depending on where they live, might have changed that, i believe it dropped as low as 650$ at some stores over black friday here in the us for example.
Nvidia is still faster in blender. The thing that's holding the nvidia cards back is the small 192-bit bus. In that price range. Though they make great 1080p cards even with path tracing. There isn't much that I have fomo for with amd cards. For what I do with nvidia cards. Amd still don't have enough support for what I do. That amd feature I was excited about is useless now unless maybe its single player. No anti-lag buddy.That was the only reason I would consider to use amd with multiplayer games. Frame gen single player too. Unless its implemented into multiplayer games. Why not. It should be you want it you got. Don't care what brand. Ray tracing. I run ray tracing on mid range current cards. I have a 4070. Still run ray tracing. But at 1080p. Still get good frames. What you want blu ray quality or 4k ultra blu ray. That's the way I see it. The argument for 1440p is questionable. Especially for entry level cards between $200 to $500. I would barely consider a 7800 xt a mid range card. Same with both the 4070 cards. I would consider a rtx 4080 a solid 1440p card. Same with the 7900xt. Both entry level 4k at this point. As always even with the highest end cards. Those would be the 1440p kings. And decent 4k cards. Otherwise upscaling all the time. To pretend the 7800 xt is amazing 1440p card as well with the 4070 non ti or ti. I saw one guy say that the Alan Wake is a bloated game at just about 1440p no upscaling with a 7900xt. Max settings no ray tracing. He demanded 120fps in that game. I would agree that Amd still has better color range then nvidia. Ray tracing is playable with the newest cards pared with the newest games. At lower then expected resolutions. It always was that way. SInce Ray tracing was hitting the main stream with the 20 series nvidia cards. With a fair level of upscaling. People have weird expectations with gpus in general. Is amd a better value then nvidia yes and no. That's my opinion. I would still use nvidia because its better with heavier ray tracing and better in blender still. Though again the bus width really dictates what resolution is good those mid range gpus. You have to be more aggressive with dlss at 1440p. That's both the 4070s just because of the bus width. With performance DLSS. I can achieve similar results at 1440p on a regular rtx 4070 compared to a 7800 xt. Same rt medium settings. With very strong exception. I had frame generation to achieve the same results. Ultra performance dlss with rt over drive to achieve similar minimum above 50fps 1440p. Conclusion. You have to use performance or ultra performance with frame gen. To achieve the same minimum FPS with a 4070. The cheaper one to be in parody to the 7800 xt. The weakness I believe is the lower bus width of the nvidia gpus. That goes for anything under a rtx 4080. But I can still do ray tracing at playable frame rates. Even with the latest mid range nvidia gpu. So i argue you are right to some extent. But also wrong to some extent. Its a give and take. Do I regret getting a rtx 4070 with the regular pcie power connection. No. Do I want more yes. But even with my 3090 for my workstation 24gb isn't enough for what I do in blender 3.6 and above. Would I buy an amd card or even intel. Its quite there yet to give up nvidia. Especially with Ray tracing frame by frame with blender or real time in a video game or other applications that supports it. This comment is so long. Sorry. I doubt anybody would read this.
13:48 …. Isn’t that plugging in an RTX4090 with the new power connector😅😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣. (I currently have had an RTX 4090 since launch with no issues, leaving it on for many days at time, updating, downloading games, patches, game mods, gaming sessions etc)
If AMD really was that crappy, they would be out of GPU business with all the lawsuit they would face. I have a 7900xtx since 7 month and i only had driver crashes because of my overclock. When i put a stable overclock, i have zero issues whatsoever.
I'd wanted to try AMD for a while and finally took the plunge after I watched Gamers Nexus AMD tour. I got a real sense of "home brew" about the company, and I liked that. And if anything I now own has been in some way been engineered by Bill Alverson or Amit Mehra, I feel blessed.
the most negative aspect why im not buying an AMD GPU isnt even listed, which is powerdraw, if i have to choose between a 7900xtx and a 4080, i take the 4080 that consumes almost 100w less on average, and has 200w less peak powerdraw for the same performance.
I have the PG 6950XT and the Pulse 7800XT . The 6950XT is Better . Not by a huge amount but Better nonetheless. The 6950XT is the 4070 TI equal . Very good video ! I love this as I am thinking of going to a 7900XTX next.
@@ItzLnX No I replaced a 6700XT on my sons PC . Its a Banger . Runs 1440p Ultra all day w/ 5600xt no problems. My 6950XT is on my Personal PC with a 5800X3D I do 4k . And yes the 6950 is insane with the power consumption !
19:00 You're mistaken about Nvidia / AMD looking different on your screen. They don't. What looks different is the video output when you record your screen with either GPU, caused by differences in video renderer software. So you won't see this visual difference in practical use at all.
I was using an RX 6950 xt but since latest driver install the games keep crashing and I get a black screen. I tried all the fixes online but nothing worked. So I bought a 4070 ti and its been great. Never had any driver issues with NVIDIA and temps are much cooler too.
Did you clean the old gpu drivers off your system with a software tool such as DDU? Ive seen this happen when people have had old Nvidia Cards and still have the drivers installed then attempt to upgrade by installing an AMD GPU without ensuring that no other graphic drivers are installed.
With AMD updates causing trouble for it's consumers, I think people are Silly to use any AMD Cards. I switched to Nvidia a few years ago and will never go back!
My only concern with switching to AMD is PhysX. I still play the Batman Arkham games and can't find any info on if they can run the PhysX effects like Fog/Debris, Rain and interactive cloth/paper the same way that Nvidia does. I know back when those games were new AMD would defer all those effects to the CPU resulting in fps below 20.
I don't give value to software "features" as they are exactly that, software. Hardware is the only thing you can't change, so compute(performance) and efficiency per dollar is always king.
The worst problem I ever had with AMD gpu in general is that the driver resets to default GPU tuning settings each time there is ansystem failure, so I gotta reload my profile. That's it. If you wana buy AMD hardware just do it. Both Nvidia and AMD are good enough for gaming, the performance to value is the determining factor
@High_On_Hope It is a safety feature, AMD driver will revert back to default tuning settings in any scenario where the system fails, regardless of reason. I think AMD does this to reduce complaints from people who aren't as hardware literate.
@@High_On_Hope a CMOS clear won't remove a faulty GPU tune lol. You would need to reinstall Windows / boot into safe mode if for example you had use MSI afterburner to apply a faulty tune on boot to desktop. Fortunately safemode does kick in after a few failed boots. I do miss being able to press and hold the F8 key for safe mode options.
Now is really not the best time to switch to amd since new AAA games are built with upscaling in mind . It's mandatory not optional anymore. So u will take that image quality hit
7800 XT here. I got the Phantom Gaming as well, pretty good binned silicon. Got it like a couple of weeks after launch. It’s been a monster with my 5800X3D. I swapped from 2080 super. I do miss DLSS but that is the only thing so far. I agree that RT is overrated for now, I think in a few generations it will matter though.
I have a regular 2080 and I know the performance gap to the Super isn’t much. How’s the performance compared to your 2080 Super? Do you see better frame rates? I don’t care at all about RT so I’m not really even considering nvidia this time around.
@@thebackroomstockboy7336 it’s been a massive jump at 1440p and especially 4K. I’ll admit I didn’t “need” an upgrade, but I didn’t want to hold out yet another generation as I was starting to see some pretty hefty gpu bottlenecks. With optimized settings at 1440p and no raytracing cyberpunk, I’m cpu capped at ~110-130fps. With XeSS (FSR is too ugly for me to even look at even at quality) I can do raytraced lighting and reflections at a fairly locked vsync half (72fps), maybe some additional tuning could get me local shadows ray traced as well. All in all, it’s better at RT than the 2080/S, and leaves it in the dust completely in raster performance
@@thebackroomstockboy7336 Obviously depends on the game and resolution, but at 1440p and 4k the 7800xt should be about 50-100% faster with a few outliers being as low as 30% faster
nope u will regret it, AMD has Inferior features for all, even your RU-vid videos can't lie about it, you think you going to render the video with that garbage? it causes ur app to crash everytime
The image Quality on the AMD at native res are clearly better. Texture on Nvidia looks kinda blurry compared to AMD. And this is not game specific but in all games.
I upgraded from an RTX 3080 to the XFX 7900 XTX (used DDU in safe mode) in May, and I'm really happy with it. The rasterization performance at 1440P/180Hz is amazing.
I have been running an all AMD rig for 12 years with one graphics card swap till spring and now upgraded to a 7800x3d/rx7900 rig and I have not had any of these crashy/buggy experiences. I had to limit the RAM with my X3D Chip and do the BIOS update to circumvent the ASUS problem that existed early on, but that's not AMD Graphics... So far it's a great system, no issues and I'm as happy as I was back when I built the other rig 12 years ago.
i helped my friend build a pc and saw all the "oh look amd is so much better value" talking points everywhere, so i speced out an amd cpu and gpu build for him. AMD does not "just work". crashing in games for no reason, buggy software, just random issues that should not happen. he switched to a 3060 and got a much more stable gaming experience. amd must be saving in on something with their so much better value. if it works for you, fine , get amd. but for me intel and nvidia have "just worked", its whats in my personal pc, so i will recommend intel and nvidia to anyone building their own pc.
My buddy had an older RX480 and had TONS of driver issues that I just didn't have on my 1080Ti. I've been following AMD for a long time but only bought in on their CPUs. I just bought my 1st ever AMD GPU and I'm very excited to see how it performs. I went with the 7900XTX and even upgraded my monitor from 1080p to 4k for the 7900XTX
had a 1080ti and an rx580 on the same cpu/motherboard. Never had issues with either. Sold both during the crypto hike for a profit and gamed on a 5700g apu till gpu prices normalized...currently using a rx6600 no problems...looking at used rx6800 now. Moslty support AMD due to open source consumer practices.
I’ve always used Nvidia. Upgraded my pc using all amd, 7800X3D with the 7900xt Taichi and I couldn’t be happier. Performance is absolutely impeccable. Love it
The color difference seems just like a calibration issue to me, I never noticed any differences between AMD and nVidia per se, but each graphics card change of course requires a new monitor calibration, or if you're not into that, needs different ICC profile adjustments, often even between GPUs from the same brand, and of course readjusting the gamma in games. One thing though, as someone also mentioned there's a "custom color" option in Adrenaline (maybe nVidia has an equivalent to that too), as someone using a Spyder for calibration I make sure everything there is disabled completely.
The color difference has been a thing for a decade now. It has to do with how nvidia does data compression. Their method results in higher fps at the expense of intended coloring... because nvidia sort of simulates the coloring. You can't really see it unless you're looking for it.but it's been well documented for a decade now.
You have to set the full dynamic range on nvidia every time in control panel. Idk why it defaults to half. But i did notice inferior rendering on nvidia. LIkely due to the too high memory compression. Theres just not enough data anymore with those pathetically low vram bus width sizes.
I grabbed a lightly used 6800xt earlier this year for $575 CAD. Until then i was considering a 3080 from a friend, used for mining. He wouldn't budge from $1000. AMD hasn't let me down once.
I play on a 77” 120hz LG G2 4K OLED in my living room. I want to play every top-tier single-player game that comes out and experience all the awesome cutting-edge graphical techniques - including ray/path tracing. I want to have image quality that looks like 2160p, and a frame rate locked to 117fps as much as possible. Right now, my 4090 is the only GPU in the world that can do that. The market has yet to release a single game that has forced to make any significant compromise. Sometimes I need to set DLSS to “Performance” mode and enable Frame Generation. And guess what, it looks incredible. And it feels smooth and responsive. I always play with a controller. It’s freakin 2160p, 120fps, HDR, Ultra settings, with ray tracing, on a 77” OLED. It looks amazing. I personally don’t care what brand makes my GPU. If there was a Radeon card that could do this, I’d switch tomorrow. And I like AMD! I have their 7800X3D CPU. It’s awesome!
When I was building my rig, Intel was just getting on the scene and I bought the Acer A770 out of curiosity, but I was still intent on a Red Devil 7900XTX. So, I got two GPUs, one a lovely curiosity piece and still saved $200+ not buying a 4090. Interestingly it looks like AMD handles HDR better than Nvidia.
What really surprises me are the color differences and the hugely higher power draw on the 7800 XT. I would have assumed those are just different settings with less contrast and less saturation... Also, I don't get how it's running at over 70W in idle. I was looking into the 7800 XT and I happened to run with AMD since almost forever. I still think it's a much better offer than anything nvidia has right now. But those things do sour me on the 7800 XT. Electricity in my country costs about 45c/kWh
Idle power consumption is abnormally high, it's not typical. With single monitor setup it's less than 10W, my 6800 does 6W. Radeons consume more with multimonitor setups, especially with high refresh rate ones but that much.
I noticed that too, i need those color settings so i go with AMD. I cant deal with the washed out shit on nvidia gpu' s, also their software sucks ass, cant even record desktop on geforce. Nvidia is overrated as hell just like iphones.
I do own 7800 XT nitro+, it idles at 10W doing nothing, 30-40W during video playback and max value i saw at idle was 60W spikes so i guess it depends on the model. I run 2 displays 1440p 144Hz main and 1080p 60hz secondary.
As for visual differences, I've immediately noticed them after switching from the 3070 to 6900 XT. Colors felt a bit more lively, image on the whole looked a tiny bit more colorful which I prefer. To make sure it's not placebo I've corroborated it with a mate who made a similar switch and he has confirmed my observation.
3070 was possibly doing texture compression to make up for the way they ripped off customers with too little memory. It astonishes me how stupid NVidia's customers are. They buy the card that produces fake pixels, fake frames, fake colors, and then brag. About what? What you're getting is NOT 3D. You're getting 2.8D, because most of the richness is lost by all of NVidia's cost-savings gimmicks! And yes, I'm a fool, i bought a 3070 Ti for myself but my kinds (mostly) own(ed) AMD (7900 xtx, Rx480, Rx580, 2060 KO).
Such a great video! I love these types of deep dives into the pros and cons of each manufacturer. I recently switched to a 7800XT myself and have been having a good experience so far as well.
The older tech influencers have a lot of blame for spreading this rhetoric of Nvidia just being better for years when 90% of people that buy GPUs will not benefit at all from those superior features
All the RTX 4xxx are GIMPED or cut down at high prices, except 4090. 4070ti has cut down memory bus, 192 bit bus, when last xx70 has always had 256bit bus at lower prices. Yet ppl are buying these cut down gpus at high Price. Granted amd prices have also risen up too,thanks to Nvidia. But Imo they are lesser evil, since EVGA quit Nvidia. It’s kinda proof how corrupt Nvidia has become. My friend just bought 5800x3d and 7900xtx and he’s happy with it. Nvidia has screwed gamer over. They don’t care, EVGA quitting is proof to gamers that they have lost it. I’m still on 2700x/16GB/gtx1080ti, I want upgrade, but used 6800xt/6900xt here still $800 Canadian or more. Not worth it at that price. Hoping prices will drop more soon.
Hope prices drop. But whatever you say about the NVIDIA cards here's the thing .. Games like Alan wake 2 made the best AMD cards obsolete...IV seen an 7900xt upscale from 360p to 1080p and get 48fps in Alan wake 2...that is a $800 card. So yeah that's bad value as well cus that's a top end card that is not able to handle next gen. No 2 ways about that.
i upgraded from a 1080ti to a 7900xtx and after using it for 6 months i upgraded to a 4080, while using the 7900xtx i have never experienced the frequency of game crashes as i did with my 1080ti or my now 4080. this really disappointed me as i was hyped for a AMD build (5900x cpu) i will continue to use AMD cpu's as they are amazing but i will forever be wary of AMD gpu's
Hey, 7900xt gamer here. I have had a few issues with using this card driver wise, but they are mainly quite niche: - I have had 2 crashes in cs2 which is still a new game that is fairly early in development for a live service - I have had driver crashes in pcsx2 after using dx11/12, however Vulkan works fine - Implementing interlaced resolutions on my CRT/displaying a duplicate image on my LCD monitor and Plasma TV Other than that, the card works great, using fsr 2 quality on cyberpunk on RT psycho gives me upscaled 1080 60, the software works great, the buffer of VRAM gives peace of mind, RT in general works great on most games, especially non Nvidia sponsored titles. Gaming with AMD is great.
Theres was a time for me to change GPU (I've own GTX1080 for years now): RTX 2080 was to close.. RTX3080- get hard on premiere and price was crazy... RTX4080 comes in good times but everybody was complain about them and many RU-vidrs shows middle finger to Nvidia.. So I was thinking to change side- and try Radeons (first time since I own ATI Radeon 9700 Pro about 20 years ago). I choice Radeon RX 7800 XT and Im more than happy. Especially I'm playing most shooters game and I have a 1080p 240hz monitor (BENQ XL2746K) so-for me-it's frames that matter, not ray tracing and other BS.
After 10 months of experience with my 4080: DLSS, when your hardware is subpar. Frame gen, when you want to convince yourself that your hardware is not subpar. Ray tracing, when you need to turn your hardware into subpar. Also helps you feel you have the superior card. Path tracing, when ray tracing is not enough. Brings down even a 4090.
Sounds like regret for obvious reasons,lol. Why in the hell would you or anyone buy a rtx 4080? When you are paying over a grand, you might as well have just saved a bit more and bought the 4090. Very dumb purchase!
@@cdiff07 between $1200 and $1600, the difference if $400. If it looks like nothing to you then you are parroting the same dumb argument that everyone else parrots from each other. That is called collective stupidity.
The vaild reason for Nvidia is ray tracing, but only if you get a 4080 or 4090. The other things like content creation and recording are worthless because nobody wants to watch randoms streams or videos. 😂😂😂
