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NVidia has one issue that they simply ignore. After 512.26 or something driver they f*cked up something in communication with Sony Bravia TVs on 30 series GPUs. Like you get mess on any setting that is not VRR, but if you switch hdr on and then off in windows all other modes will start to work (until shutting down the system), so standard HDMI setting, DolbyDigital setting etc.
Kepler cards are completely obsolete, and Nvidia was still using that architecture even after Polaris was succeeded by Vega, thats an entire generation that never had drivers made to work to DirectX12, and Nvidia just announced no more MXM module support other than OEM security updates, so good luck with that high dollar Nvidia gaming laptop you bought last year, the reason stated was they couldn't compete against Vega in the laptop market . Not sure how you cooked these graphs up but AMD has consistently provided long term support that Nvidia never has, at least that didn't come directly from EVGA .
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One thing that nobody seems to talk about but in my opinion is huge difference is that AMD's anonymous data collection is opt-IN meanwhile Nvidia always collects telemetry and you need to go through some serious hackery to opt-out and disable their telemetry thus they collect information from probably 99% of their userbase. AMD's data telemetry being opt-in means most people using AMD will not participate in the telemetry which means AMD will have less data to dig through for finding problems compared to NVIDIA
You were talkin about that "GPU utilization stuck at 100%" issue on AMD RX 500. I had this one. AFAIK its only a performance monitor issue, not real 100% utilization. As your screen shows, its only using 29 wats while showing full clocks, that is simply impossible for this card. So its veeery minor.
I sort of wondered if that was the case with that issue - ie. it was a glitch in what was being displayed vs. what the hardware was actually doing. Thanks for you anecdotal input on it! If only the release notes were 100% unambiguous.
@@Herrikias probably not many... haven't had the false gpu utilization reading, but several cpu reading inaccuracies on amps and utilization with prior Threadripper build, cross checked with ryzen master and AI Suite, ended up disregarding that section of Adrenaline overlay
It's kind of funny how nVidia has managed to escape criticism for their driver issues over the years, when they have several times over the last 2 decades had worse drivers, and cards for that matter.
Yes, as a collector... this is very true. Especially as cards age. As the cards age, AMDs drivers are infinitely superior. My eVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Superclock is slower on newer nVIDIA drivers than older ones (by more than 20%). My Vega 56/64 and Radeon VII? Faster on newer drivers.
Nvidia has more fixes over time. That means they tend to fix more issues than AMD is able to. Nvidia is pickier with the end user experience, it seems.
ehh I would say AMD doesn't earn enough money in GPU to really dedicate their money to the Radeon department. If you look at the balance sheet quarterly, they get more income from Server and Client CPU sales than GPU. Nvidia is itself a GPU company so it would be unfair to say AMD and Nvidia will equally fund their GPU business. And Business wise it makes sense, you want to put money into profitable department first, which happens to be CPU for AMD and GPU for Nvidia. We saw first hand with Intel Arc what happens when they are under funded, you get the epic fail that is the Intel Arc driver in November 2022.
@@lunarvvolf9606 I'm worried about Intel Arc. Their recent cut 5% of most employee salary, cut all bonus, all rewards, cut the 401k, and then cutting dividends and canceling their new buildings. And then the US department of commerce announcing they aren't going to give CHIPs money to help failing businesses. I think they were talking about Intel maybe? IT seems the next thing Intel cut will be Intel Arc.
The drivers suck because Radeon is small comparatively. There’s more people working on Nvidia drivers alone than there are people that work on Radeon GPUs.
@@lunarvvolf9606 Intel needs to get into the mod and high tier GPU segment. Their a770 is good compared to a 3060 or 6600 but they need a card comparable to a 4080
Your findings are pretty close to my own experiences, although mine stretch across 31+ years with AMD, Intel, nVidia and more.. So I have always known such fanboy arguments were BS because my experience showed me otherwise. "Popular opinion" often boils down to inexperienced group-think and ignorance...
Really great video. I’ve used AMD cards for years and I’ve never really had any major driver issues, I’ve had rx 580, Vega 56, and now a rx 5700 and all have works perfectly
I thing its more often about new series as its now, i have 7900xtx and its getting slowly better in RT performance and yes i had bug on the top, when card simply turned off the DVI connector, until 22.2.1 drivers, which is no longer the case, that was realy tedious. To be honnest that performance imaturity is more problematic for AMD then for me ( i know what i am buying right now), they are very often letting a lot of potential power of their gpus on the table instead of releaseing that GPU when their software is 100% ready for it. Its costs them a lot of money and trust also currently Nvidia gets less benefits from RE bar, while 7000 series performs often much worse without Ryzen CPUs (SAM) by quite a lot of FPS+ (almost up too 30fps difference in Forza 5 as example, mostly its +- 5fps) plus AMD CPUs scales better with system memory timings and frequency, another potentional bottleneck of your whole PC which shouldnt be ignored, when you are buing their products. You need to balance AMD rig quite a lot compare to their competition if you want to get realy close to its real performance, which also can cost a reputiation. When people are doing mistakes , one of the firsts reactions is mostly to find the guilty "that bloody sinner," of course its easyser to find guilt everywhere else then in yourself :D, and you have more opportunities to blame hardware company which works like that. However if i would went for workload station i would take Nvidia gpu for sure, current AMD gen seems to prefer mostly gaming above everything else, which makes sence. A lot of their profit comes from console market , which is also clearly gaming focused, while a lot of Nvidias money comes from market with profesional workloads users, not a only gamers. I like more AMD gpus for their hardware vallue which is clearly better then Nvidias offers (lower vram etc...), but software around and toys thats where Nvidia rules. Quite a lot like Apple. Sadly with 4070ti, 4080 and 4060ti informations, Nvidia is going "full Apple like "this gen, obviously.
i had a lot of graphics card over the years.... starting on a Oak Technologies on a 386dx40 , to matrox, voodoo 2, nvidia , ati and AMD Radeon... only the old ones had 0 issues and being my last 3 cards , Radeon cards , HD7870 ( still working today on my wife's PC ) a RX580 8gb ( only issue i had with it was windows related.. windows update for a couple of time decided to install a windows default driver for some odd reason , and i only noticed when i tried to use the AMD drivers shortcuts to save a clip or start a stream ) at the moment a i have a RX6800XT and no driver issues what so ever
I have just switched to AMD RX 6700XT. My only issue, and to be honest I should have known better, was instability when I first installed the card and drivers. After about two weeks I realized I didn't do a clean uninstall of nVidia drivers and downloaded DDU. After that my card and drivers worked fine. Been using it now for two months and it's great.
Huge important step there, ALWAYS DDU when installing a new card, even if from the same manufacturer, hell even if from the same generation, or even if it's the same GPU from a different board partner If your swapping the GPU, DDU
I have rtx 3060 and thinking of getting the 6700xt, do you recommend it? Also I'm really worried about the whole 'bad drivers' thing with AMD, did you face any issues with your gpu?
@@madg8380 I'm really happy with my purchase. Just don't make my mistake. Download DDU and run that after you uninstall Nvidia drivers and before you install your Radeon drivers. Solid 1440p gameplay.
@@q5kxsps9 bro in video editing, rendering or other working stuffs in 6700xt is good? Can you give me some idea about your gaming + working stuff's. In my country 3060ti and 6700xt is same price. 3060 ti (3+2 year warranty) less vram 6700xt more vram less cuda core I want to built my PC for 1440p gaming+ working (balance)
I try to go team red. The last 3 AMD GPUs I bought all ran like shit when I installed drivers. A week of searching the internet and troubleshooting. Yesterday I bought a 6800(non XT). I did a proper driver uninstall using a driver uninstall tool and hooked up the 6800 then installed drivers. Nothing but stutter. Tried a few things and reinstalled drivers, same stutter. Took it back to Best Buy and got a 7900XT. Rince and repeat. I fired up a game and nothing but stutter. Took it back to Best Buy. I then drove down to Microcenter and got a 4090. Deleted old drivers and installed new ones. I fired up a game and it was glorious. I like AMD CPUs but I will never buy another AMD GPU again. I have never had a problem with Nvidia.
I've used a few AMD GPUs - ATI Radeon 4870 1GB, R9 390X, R9 Fury, and RX 6700XT for the last few years and used them for a really long time until I was finally convinced myself to try out the Nvidia 3080 Ti and now I didn't see any issues included undervolted profile using MSI AB and it was never restarted. Based on my experience. I noticed something weird with AMD Driver. The AMD GPU control panel crashed randomly sometimes when I want to open it up. The AMD icon in task bar happened to had a multiple icons until I hovered over it and it suddenly disappeared and back to one icon. I also used to tweak RX Vega 56 and 6700XT for undervolted. I saved a profile and expected it to be staying that way for a while until then AMD driver was being restarted and then restored to default factory for no reasons. I also found out that forced 16xAF HQ is not working with old games with AMD drivers. With this Nvidia. I was able to get it working with old games with nvidia inspector profile. It just worked. I was rarely update the GPU driver. I only update every 3-6 month drivers cause if it ain't broken. I don't bother updating the driver. I'm currently using a 4090 right now. I just did my own research. I never watched those big youtubers who kept saying buying AMD GPUs because they're supposed to be good ones. I'm glad I did FAFO on my own, not listening to anyone.
I think there is also one other scenario you maybe leaving out, that is product release drivers. Both companies now release new products around the same time and more often or not reviewers and tech tubers seem to have more problems with press and pre release drivers in AMD than NVIDIA and this could cause a massive perception of AMD drivers being trash.
Yeah, AMD at launch is a massive reason why it's seen as utter garbage. People don't want to wait months, seasons, or even years to buy a GPU for gaming. They want to buy it as soon as it drops. And NVidia knows this 1000x better than AMD. When I bought an Nvidia GPU at launch (GTX 760). It crashed on time (Due to me pushing it too hard). But when I bought an AMD GPU at launch (RX 5700XT). It crashed over 50 times. You can already tell what brand I keep recommending to people as a Tech store employee. And which brand I tell people to never buy (Note: For those wondering they take my advice over many others. It pays having glasses).
@@averytucker790 what if i don't buy a game as soon as it launches, so that i can wait for a possible sale? your advice doesn't tell the whole story AMD drivers underperform when a game launches, but they age well, that is a fact.
Interesting approach to quantifying the problem. It would be interesting to see how the numbers shake out when weighted based on popularity of affected titles. It's easy to imagine a scenario where a few high-severity issues in massively popular titles could shape community sentiment, even if the total number of issues isn't that different.
I would say that Nvidia is far, far better at supporting older and more obscure titles; this explains why things like AF works via NCP and why Battlefront series games don't crash while AMD has broken Battlefront compatibility since 2021 and never fixed it.
In my time of building PCs for myself and later on for my family, I have bought 6 nvidia cards. 0 problems, at least none I couldnt easily work around by toggling some option here and there. To escape the hellscape that is nvidia pricing I bought a 6800XT. One week. One week and I'm returning it over random crashes, most likely caused by terrible drivers. Stability trumps all. I have become and nvidia fanboy by necessity and will never buy another AMD card until nvidia cards get as bad.
Tried AMD video cards multiple times and it`s just not smooth sailing especially at launch. Takes ages to be fixed if ever. This is from a gamers viewpoint. AMD is just not nice gaming. Buy a new AMD card for a lot of money and you can game half a year later. Buy an Nvidia and you can game right away. That `s the difference and it`s huge to me.
Only time I’ve had driver issues was with my RX 5700 during the launch of the RX 5000 series. Probably because of how new the RDNA architecture was. Those issues were eventually fixed. Prior to that I had an R9 390X and literally no driver issues. PLUS I was seeing upgraded improvements to their adrenaline software year after year.
My 5600XT to this day, is driver crashing about 3-4 times a week. doesnt matter, if its clean drivers install. clean windows install. it just crash that often. i used to have a GTX 970, absolut bullet proof of a GPU. just didnt cut it for the games i was playing.. and i've been thinking of upgrading the 5600XT (which other than the crashing, performes really well) for a 6000 series. cause i dont care if "Green team" or a "Red team" gpu.. but my experience with the 5600XT makes me second guess about that upgrade path :/ its quite interesting to see the driver issue subject on perspective though. i believed the balance was more inclined
@@B1GBOSScL That’s quite the unfortunate experience. Crazy how varied people’s experiences with the same drivers. I guess the various hardware combinations could cause unexpected issues with drivers. That or it’s a faulty 5600 xt. Well whatever gpu it may be. Wish you luck on your next choice.
@@B1GBOSScL r7 380x, rx 580, vega 56 and rx 6700xt I've been with amd since 2017 playing every AAA game I liked to play with no issues (99% of the times) soooo... bad luck I guess.
@@boce100883 well yeah, I mean, I don't rule out that possibility. Maybe Ive got a 🍋 or it has a failing component or something haha. Still haven't being able to fix the issue. There is the detail that after buying it. I found out it was one of the weakest of it's kind (Gigabyte Windforce OC).. but It is what it is I guess 🤷.
@@B1GBOSScL I used to have Gigabyte GT 640 -> Gigabyte HD 7750 -> Gigabyte R9 380 G1 Gaming -> now Powercolor RX 5600XT Red Devil. Barely has issues since first time using AMD. The biggest issues I remember has was random driver crash when playing games. It turn out Windows Driver auto install their own driver rather then using what I already install. After disable Windows Auto Driver. Use DDU then install latest driver from AMD, it's all works fine again.
Is this video a joke? Counting the issues multiple times for Nvidia while ignoring the fact that AMD straight up ignores/denies issues and then publishes a small blurb they fixed the issue finally after a year or two? AMD straight up ignores/denies issues so of course they're going to seem like they have less ongoing problems. AMD denied there being a problem with the 7xxx series (from 2013ish) that caused black textures to pop in and out on the edge of the screen ONLY in DX9C games. Funnily enough, despite denying there was an issue (which we still don't know what was the real issue, suspected vram), they continuously fixed the issue about ~6 months after the release for a year. Then suddenly there's a blurb in one driver release that states they fixed the black texture issue. The issue they were completely silent about for over a year. The one they NEVER mentioned in any prior driver releases. Most people were told to RMA their card despite it being a driver issue. You bet that RMAing a perfectly good card didn't fix the issue because it was driver related. You're being a snake by pretending that AMD doesn't ignore issues. Or how about the microstutters around the same time period? You know, the one where AMD tried to paint it as a huge conspiracy against them by Nvidia? Add in their motherboard/CPU/AGESA issues starting with Zen 1 and holy crap there are still a ton of issues still present. USB problems (which were horrrrrible), voltage problems spanning from zen 1 to zen 4 (rapid disassembly baby!), ftpm stutters (still present on zen 3 mobile), AGESA issues too numerous to state. The whole AM5 platform is a disaster. x570 still has tons of extremely hard to reproduce problems, from failing to start from coldboot, to memory training errors (assumed, we don't know) that cause the computer to become unstable after 5-6 months consistently. You can find consistent reports of this happening to people for years now but no word from AMD! Edit: Second paragraph a bit confusing in regards to ongoing issues and fixed issues. Bad wording on my part, I just listed a few I remembered. So some are fixed at this point.
In the last ~2 years I've used both a 3080 and a 6800xt and I've had more driver related issues with the 3080. For the first 12-18 months of using the 3080 it was pretty much a gamble if a new driver just worked or if my system started to have issues mainly with flickering and black screens again. Have also had several drivers that "broke" games, flickering or missing textures, constant crashes, etc. Honestly, my 970 had almost no issues (used it for 4 years) and my 2070s only began to have issues with the release of drivers for Ampere (before that I had no issues with the 2070s either), so I've been a bit disappointed with Nvidia in the last 2 years. The only issues I can remember I've had with the 6800xt were a few drivers that didn't like my "a bit too optimistic" OC in certain games, but this was always fixed by reducing the OC a bit.
I recently went back to AMD too. Not because of driver issues, but I felt ripped off with having only 8GB of VRAM on my 3070. Nvidia also gave me some washed out textures and flickering when trying to use HDR. I'm really enjoying the 6800 XT at the moment, No driver issues, good amount of VRAM and HDR works a charm. I have the itch to buy the RX 7900 XTX soon.
I had a string of Nvidia cards up to the GTX1080. I still use the GTX1080, and over the years it has had regular driver issues (BSOD) on Windows 10 that would only be kept under control by daily reboots of my old i7-3770 system. About 2 years ago I changed to team red for CPU and GPU's. While reliability has not been perfect I do not regret switching to AMD. I now have 4 desktop PC's with AMD CPU's (5000 and 7000 series) and three of the PC's with 6000 series GPU's.
@@geoffreyveale7715 You had a GTX1080 paired with an ancient 3770, so I'd assume a low end motherboard. What power supply? It's possible your issues were because of a very low end motherboard and or insufficient power supply.
Everyone's experience is different and very limited to basically the small sample size that we each individually have. For example, my last 2 cards (before my current) were 1080ti and 2080ti, driver issues were limited. My current card is a 7900xt, and adrenaline is so bad that I can only use it with the "drivers Only" install setup. Adrenaline, in my personal opinion, is unusable for me. Crashes while watching videos+gaming on multi-monitor, crashes when the computer goes to sleep, etc etc. All of these crashes, 100% of them went away when I removed adrenaline and went with drivers only. And I am no nvidia fanboy. I love my 7950xt combined with my 7900xt. But I will never use adrenaline until it works properly. But my experience is such a small subset that I can never say "AMD driver sucks in general". But I can absolutely say that Adrenaline, when installed on my system, is an absolute piece of shit that I wouldn't wish on any gamer.
@@ikejon-ubabuco2717 I'm with you haha I have blackscreen during install 2 of 4 of my PC so i use driver only ~ ~ But i rarely use any feature I have to agree that for stable yes but for me i have quite bad experience with 1660 driver so I'm not sure But I'm recommend my friend all to nvidia since I don't want them to deal with small problem or many setting like we need for AMD So i understand what you mean because all 4 of my pc use 22.Q4 without controller adrernaline and stable no problem but yeah sometime i need something in those software but it give me a lot of problem specially i hate is blackscreen during update so i end up use only driver not by auto install but my install it via device manager so no AMD software install. Otherwise the AMD install software will kick in
@@ikejon-ubabuco2717 I don't mess with the Adrenaline software outside of fan curve configuration on the GPU. When I had a setup like yours, videos playing on a monitor and a game on another, yeah, it'd do wacky crap like game stutter and stuff. The two monitors did have different resolutions and refresh rates, so that may have caused issues.
I've bought an RX7900xtx after having Nvidia cards since 10 years. I am very pleased with it and did not experience any more issues than with my old GTX1080.
AMD’s adrenaline software is just infinitely better than Nvidias GeForce Experience/Nvidia Freestyle/Nvidia Control Panel/nvidia inspector/needing MSI afterburner/etc etc. Adrenaline had nearly ALL of those things built in, plus more. My 6950xt was my first ever AMD card and I’m not sure if I could go back to Nvidia.
The Nvidia control panel has the look and feel of a windows 2000 driver. And i think i overlooked most extra features because they are behind the signin wall of geforce experience (which is meh to begin with) or in a sub sub sub menu. Just from usability i found Adrenaline much better since its more like "hey activate this feature"
@@adherry8142 exactly. I love that I don’t have to sign in to any account to use the features for a card that I bought lol. And I use the side bar all the time! Being able to sharpen, cap frames, change color temps, use RSR, etc etc all on the fly while in game is so handy!
After staying with Nvidia for over a decade going through GTX580/680/780/1080/2080Ti, I finally decided to go back to AMD this generation with a 7900XTX and I will not go back to Nvidia any time soon, the Adrenaline software is so feature complete, it made my old Nvidia fanboyism seem like idiocy.
I agree the UI on AMDs Software is way better then GeForce, But installing it is often a Pain, if you have ever had any other drivers on a PC. General or beginner Gaming PC users don't know their way around DDU.
Theres a half-chance that adrenalin conflicts with some software on your pc, if that happens, reinstall with 'driver only' and use msi afterburner. Either way, works great. Gerforce experience has nothing on that
I've used many nvidia cards and the only 'issue' I can say I've faced is shadowplay not working with geforce experience, but that was quickly fixed. Other than that, every single game, of the many hundreds of different games, has ran just fine. I've used a 1060, 2070 super, 3070 ti, and 4090 and have had zero issues with any of them. However recently I decided to give amd their fair shot and bought a 6950xt and used it for close to a year for gaming every day. Let me say... the amount of issues I've faced was shocking. Not only did some games not even run, but I had texture issues with certain games (no, I didn't get a faulty card. it wasn't artifacting). Adrenaline Edition is also extremely buggy and will crash on you constantly. Many times my recordings would be laggy or buggy, but only in weirdly specific situations. Even the keybinds wouldn't work properly in their garbage software! I think it's safe to say that amd will always just be that cheap knock-off people will buy if they're poor, which is completely understandable. But please do not claim that amd is "better" than nvidia because that is objectively not true. I've tested a lot of computer parts and I've only had real issues with amd's cards. I'm _never_ buying another amd product again after my first and last experience with their graphics cards, and I'm not the only one...
i've had a lot of Amd cards over the years. One thing that perhaps you might consider in a follow up - mid range and lower end AMD cards, at least in my experience, have way fewer issues compared to the higher end AMD cards, while it seems nvidia's stability seems to be universal across all of their cards, regardless of wattage. so I think a big part of the frustration people have Amd cards centers around the fact that you may have spent $1000 on one of their cards and it works worse than something you could've had for less than 400.
So I was able to get a Radeon 7800 XTX, not the Reference one, but a Gigabyte version with a different heatsink..I haven't had any problems with it so far. I do know it did have an issue with using too much power while idling, but I believe that was fixed with a driver update. I kind of feel like that's a bit of a minor problem, but people blow it as, "See I told you AMD has shitty drivers". It's been many years since I've had an AMD driver issue, this could just me being lucky, or just playing games that been around longer. People can continue to hate on AMD drivers if they want, but I'll keep continuing to use AMD video cards as long as AMD continues to make them.
I think you hit the point. When the 6000 cards launched i bought a 6900 xt and my friend a 6600 xt. He had didn’t had that many problems. I had them until i switched to my new 4090. For me it is a world difference. I can use HDR (i couldn‘t on amd), i can use my 3 monitors now (on amd it would flicker often), games have great performance ( i could be happy if i would get around 60 fps on amd, and we aren’t talking maxed out anything). So yeah. I don’t want to hate, but that were the hardest two years i had. And with the 4090 i can just do it. I only had in this 4 or 5 months that i hade once a problem where obs wouldn’t really work. But it was fixed after a week, abd downgreading obs for that time was a good workaround. Besides that, it works. I don’t have problems.
@@masterofkay6350i think you missed the point going from a 3090 would have been the same as switching from your 6900xt as the 4090 is just that powerful its gonna make anything prior look like trash even a 3090ti , altough your not the first person to complain about multi monitor that does seem to be a problem but for people on a single monitor i can tell you no issues at all and as far as performance my rx6800xt with an overclock kills any 3070ti and with the heavy OC i have i can challenge a 3080 while having paid far less
@@RuanLFC of cours i can’t compare a 4090 with a 6900 xt. But i hade many small problems with amd, that i don’t have with my 4090. i can now record with my good microphone ( with the amd card it would break my sound recordings), like i said. HDR is just working (maybe because of more monitors, but i need at least two because of work), and the best part. My background pictures aren’t changing evry boot up. That are like smal problems, that aren’t that important. But to have like here and there something changed or not working for this price. That’s just for me breaking. And let’s leaf performance away. The 4090 just does what it should do. No problems, no stutters. Good sound quality. Everything is normal now and i can work and do my stuff like in 20 minutes without problems. I don’t want to shit on amd. But i think their drivers are far mor worse at least for me it was. This two years i don’t want to repeat
Having owned both AMD and nvidia GPUs I can definitely say issues happen on both sides and while I had crashes and glitches on both, I've had more catastrophic driver issues on nvidia while AMD had more game specific crashes. That being said issues aren't that common in general.
That's the exact sentiment I have, my Nvidia cards misbehaved in ways that We're much more annoying. Like strange screen flickering, or on random crashes... My AMD problems have been mostly just random games that don't behave. But past years thoes issues have been very few. My Nvidia random bugs, still there...
Thank you for the video. I'm actually back to using AMD again since my last experience with them on an R9 280. This is despite my driver woes from back in the day and mostly because it's just the cheaper option now. Even the new 7000 series can be easily undervolted to match stock setting with great power saving with not much effort, so power efficiency is also great with tuning (saves on the power bill).
So I've heard the driver horror stories before and honestly I've never experienced this problem. This may be mostly because I'm not often an early adopter to new product runs. My Radeon RX 6650XT has been excellent, that may be partly because it's a refresh using an established driver set. My ryzen 5800x has been excellent, that may be because the 5k architecture is more refined with issues from previous iterations of am4 already resolved. Ultimately, early adopters of new architecture will always experience more issues than those of us who aren't part of the bleeding edge.
The fact that I need to use modded drivers and dxvk on amd for applications to run normaly and never even considered on nvidia tells something. There are a lot of reddit, youtube and all kinds of posts of amd drivers causing problems that amd doesn't even care about (like saying they were already fixed or stuff like that). So yeah, stuck with a full amd laptop (and let's not get started on the cpu). AMD it's like having a good engine coupled to a bad transmission.
I'm using an Rx6950xt and it suits my needs. I really think That the amount of work you put into AMD, is what you get in performance. It also seems more like a 1440p powerhouse rather than a 4k beast.
@@arfianwismiga5912 Could you explain please?. It's as fast as a 3090/4070ti in everything but ray tracing when regarding gaming a 3090 btw isn't a slow gpu especially not at 1440p. I don't have to lower a single non ray traced setting on my 6900xt liquid cooled (overclocked and undervolted it's as fast as any 3090) at 1440p resolution all my games run maxed out at good fps
I am an example of a gamer that doesn't have the issues that we hear all the wailing about on the internet. 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32GB ram and I don't get all the problems that other people keep talking about in any of my games. I run at high and ultra mixed settings and in my most recent game Hogwarts Legacy the only thing I had to troubleshoot was some stutter that was fixed by limiting my FPS to 120. It was a micro-stutter caused by my GPU hitting the max FPS and dropping down. It happens a lot on Unreal is what I found. Not exclusive to AMD either, it is a known issue with the Unreal engine on all cards. So yeah, I get how you reached your conclusions.
I used to be team NVidia all day and if this gen if I was given the option to buy a 1000 or less 4080 class card I would have when I upgraded my 2070... but I choose the 7900 XTX instead (the Nitro+ version) and was a little worried about the drivers. So far it just seems that AMD is much slower at fixing problems compared to NVidia and surprisingly Intel so far. I think their drivers are more than competent though, just that if you have a known issue don't expect a fix quickly. Quantification of this in the video was great btw, nice job.
Before this month iam always on team Green. The the price start to become riddiculus i tried team red.. i was also worried about driver problem and stuff.. and after weeks on using and understanding amd driver. I dont think i had any issues.. works like a charm Still have my doubts but only time will tell.. Feels like new kid in town
The issue with this methodology is that it takes the data from the companies themselves as its basis. Which is to say the self-published issues with their drivers. But this data is published according to different criteria. E.g. a company might choose to ignore an issue for a while before adding it. Or a company might take a different average time before acknowledging an issue at all. Also, there is the fact that main issues crop up whenever there's a new GPU architecture that is substantially different from the one before. Thus, just taking a look at 2 years provides too little data.
I agree, just because nvidia Or amd fixed more bugs doesn't mean they have more bugs, there could be more bugs which were not fixed. I'm saying this because I use an rx 580 and have the bug where once the temps go up and the fans go to 100% and they don't slow down even after the temps drop, this despite having zero rpm setting turned on. This issue has existed for years now but it has not been fixed yet and I don't expect it to be fixed anymore.
I remember hearing about how AMD had bad drivers many years ago. I thought maybe it had since been resolved, but man I dunno, I had an RX 590 for 4 years and towards the end, I was getting black screens, driver crashes, even system crashes.
Interesting, though I think the broad issue is consistency in performance (which is driver based IMO), particularly with older APIs. I went from a 1660S to a 6600XT, and Dota 2 went from smooth to stuttery on the AMD card, despite it being more powerful. That was until I switched to vulkan ingame. Unfortunately most games dont have multiple APIs to choose from. Newer releases run a lot better though, as expected. So far I'd say it feels true that if you want a generally reliable experience across games, nVidia seems the winner. If I could swap out cards per game that'd be great.
AMD did have some issues with DX11 for a long long time but ever since an Adrenalin update last year it's mostly fixed (God Of War was an awful stuttery mess for me at launch but plays really smooth now) but yes Vulkan and DX12 should always perform better.
nice comment, i think amd vulkan api should be supported in any game and amd just need to make sure that this api is just work at its best, then like when you're amd you vulkan with it and should be no issues ever? 🤨
I’m trying to figure out if my next card is going to be AMD or Nvidia so thanks for your video! I currently run a 2070, and have also always had the prejudice towards AMD’s drivers. I do question the logic ‘more fixes is more bad’ though - how did you come to this conclusion? Isn’t it possible both parties have the same amount of fixes, but one party fixes them at a higher rate meaning it’s a good thing? You mention the time some issues are open, but this does not say anything about ‘how quickly is the average issue closed’. Also: are all updates fixes, or could they also be improvements or new features enabled - I see especially a lot about this online about AMD, improving their card over time?
I have had dozens of AMD and Nvidia graphics cards, and I have personally never really had issues with any of my cards of either brand. I generally just buy what the best price to performance is for the budget that I have at that time. I know that this isn't what everyone always experiences, and maybe just the fact that I have been building and servicing PC's for over 25 years has given me an unfair advantage. And I usually do a complete operating system install whenever I buy a new GPU, I know that this is not always necessary with the advent of DDU, but over the years it has kept my system lean and with no unnecessary drivers and applications from older GPUs.
Same here, altough i've had bunch of issues with both nvidia and ati/amd over the years, nvidia had a bunch of issues and same with ati, but after a while you can see the problems froma far distance and work around it before it become a huge problem or even a problem at all some times. except for the a span of 6 months where nvidia would fry my 9800GT and my 9800GX2. and about the same for my ATi X850XT i had before it with bluescreens galore. But other than it's only been vendor issues with badly designed cards :)
@@Zesserie Ya, I had mostly good luck. Had a 9800GT fry right after a driver update. I had a bad vendor card from HIM on an Hd 7950 Boost that did not even make it to boot before hitting 100c, and then I sent it back the the next one blew caps after 6 months(I replaced them) and it lasted a while after that with its super ugly blue plastic shroud. Only two cards I had fail going all the way back to the Rendition V1000. Never really had issues with AMD drivers in general, or nVidia outside new games sometimes needing a few drivers to fix a issue that cropped up.
What a brilliant vid. Finally someone has provided some actual figures for this arguement. Great job. I'll defo be dropping this vid as a link to anyone making daft statements about drivers and companies.
No, it's actually bs. Here is why: The issue with this methodology is that it takes the data from the companies themselves as its basis. Which is to say the self-published issues with their drivers. But this data is published according to different criteria. E.g. a company might choose to ignore an issue for a while before adding it. Or a company might take a different average time before acknowledging an issue at all. Also, there is the fact that main issues crop up whenever there's a new GPU architecture that is substantially different from the one before. Thus, just taking a look at 2 years provides too little data.
I used a 3070 for more than 2 years (bought it day one) and replaced it with a 7900xtx for 4k gaming (day one too); I had some annoying issues with my 3070, especially with monitor and TV, random signal loss, tried a lot of thing and it seems like it's DSC (display stream compression) issue (running monitor at 120hz 8bit fix issue), system not booting or having issue with sound on my lg oled tv, need to boot pc unplugged and plug it after, for sound a replug fixes the issue. You can add VRAM issue (texture corruption with forza horizon 5, a plague tale requiem, callisto protocol) but that's due to VRAM fully used so doesn't really count as driver issue, more like hardware limitation Now for the 7900xtx, I'm aware that's a quite new product so I was expecting issue day one, so far I'm now running 23.2.2 drivers, with 2 monitors gpu power draw is high, 80-120W, 20-50W with one 4k 144hz hdr (idle-video playback), edge sometime have blanking/corruption issue (seems like a new issue with 23.2.1+ drivers), driver crash with weird reason (hogwarts legacy + edge on the mapgenie map of the game, just that website make drivers crash), fall guys crashes since 23.2.1+ when loading sometime, seems like a reboot help mitigate the issue. Btw issue that I had with my 3070 aren't present with 7900xtx so no more signal loss or issue with TV/monitor. For those issues, 3070 issues with tv where from 2 years ago since now, monitor since august to december (sold my 3070) when I changed monitor, for 7900xtx only "old" issue is high power draw (for now it's not bothering me but they need to fix before summer), everything else is somewhat new, edge blanking is rare so not a big issue (and only when playing video), driver crash with that website, I don't care, fall guys crashing is a quite big issue for me cause I'm only playing the game with my little sister :/ Nvidia 2 high level issues (still not fixed at least for me), AMD 2 high level issues, 2 low level one
Back in october 2022 I bought an rx 6900 xt and it's the worst decision I've made. It's the first and probably last time I'm picking amd graphics cards. I'm currently in the process of returning the card because I feel scammed for the price paid for this (800€). I'm constantly having crashes and issues in many games, sent the card for RMA and the seller told me "nah your card is perfectly fine it's not our problem just go to a specialized store" and sent me back the card. Really really bad first experience with amd. If i get my money back I'll just pick an nvidia card even if it's EXTREMELY pricy but if at least I can game correctly and not having my games (or even my entire pc wtf) crash, I would be much happier.
If you haven't tried uninstalling remainers from your previous gpu (if applicable) try that. All sorts of issues can crop up if you got remaining drivers and such. Could also be that some games can't run on specific driver updates. Not all games will communicate this. Or it could just be your specific card is defective too and the seller's too stubborn to admit it (had a family member with a bad 3060 ti, he got a new one after wrangling with ibuypowers customer support and works just fine)
Nice explanatory topic. Very worthy of discussion and realizations. It’s just unfortunate die hard loyalists cannot accept factual results. Both Teams have their strong and weak points. Both teams engineer & release good and bad cards. Both teams prioritize fixes from severe to insignificant with a monetary /financial influence on the resulting decision on what and when fixes are made & released. It’d be 99.9% of cards will work straight from the box no issues as a display medium. It’s software, games, emulators, game settings, pc settings, pc hardware compatibility, other 3rd party software, the internet connection, & lastly “windows” that cause the most issues not the cards but as it’s what you see/view the cards are blamed, then it’s the blame game of team red or team blue.
Pretty happy with my 7900XTX for the past couple of months, although there have been some instabilities, and some annoying failures to wake from sleep. Also the Radeon software sometimes CTDs, and won't open again until I reboot. On a normal day everything works fine though. I came from a 1080, which had slightly fewer issues, although the Nvidia Control Panel & GeForce Experience sucked in comparison, despite being more stable.
I collect graphic cards, not to leave them in storage, in a box, or to hang on my wall... I build an entire system around them. I have more AM4 based systems than any reviewer no doubt (even Linus). What I have found is that nVIDIA stop tracking issues with older Graphics cards, stop optimizing for them, as well as stop fixing issues. So while nVIDIA claims this support for 3 generations of products, it's simply not true. Take a GTX 980 Ti and run it with the latest nVIDIA drivers, go back 2 years and run one of those earlier drivers. Run, for example, Witcher 3. Witness the 20-30% performance drop. Same card, same game, same OS, different driver. Now take a Vega 56 and do the same, performance goes up with time. This is why I think that the market is odd in that older nVIDIA cards sell more than equivalent AMD ones but the AMD ones are definitely the better buys. Not to mention, AMD graphics cards are equipped with superior components on the PCB (higher quality capacitors, VRMs, MOSFETS, etc., even on reference cards). This means they will last longer and they do. There are less points of failure with AMD. When to buy nVIDIA? Buy the current generation brand new Graphics cards and run it until the next series is released. If you are this type of person, then nVIDIA is likely the better option.
Been using NVIDIA GPUs (gt 310m, gt 210, gt 710, gtx 950, gtx 960, gtx 970, gtx 1660 super) for 8 years up until 3 months ago, never had or EVEN SEEN a single driver issue, no matter whose PC I used or how technologically literate/illiterate they were or how broken it was. Never did it ever flicker, never did the screen just crash, never did it blue screen with sussy artifacting randomly 5 times a day, never did it ever crash blender, chrome, discord, vlc, word, steam, davinci resolve... Only actually once in 2019 did the gtx 950 crash, but just once and never again... This new "GPU" from AMD or whatever you wanna call it is utter garbage. For reference I'm using the RX 6650 XT, I used DDU, even installed new windows. Seemed to be working fine, isn't blue screening anymore after I reinstalled win 11, now I get constant freezing of the screen when playing a video if hardware acceleration is on in that program. Easy fix than? NO! Office 365 for PC doesn't let you turn it off, and exhibits constant artifacting of the text when it's being typed. I open VLC and it just crashes my PC, the video keeps playing (audio only), black bars start running down the frozen screen, it's horrible, than the monitor disconnects and the system crashes completely. Some call this an easy fix, but it's far from it... SINCE IT'S UNFIXABLE and makes my PC completely unusable. AMD literally pays Blender and their GPUs crash INSTANTLY *INSTANTLY* whenever I click on cycles, now they've fixed it, but it still crashes sometimes. Discord? CRASHING and FREEZING, Steam? Better luck with your next GPU, since steam is based on Chromium it just freezes the PC the same as chrome and VLC. As soon as this steaming pile of garbage called a GPU by its lying manufacturers tries to do anything other than play games (literally anything accelerated, even a webpage in chrome) it just freezes or starts producing artifacts of various sorts. I don't get why youtubers recommend them since anything other than: "TURN ON MY PC, TURN ON GAME, PLAY GAME, TURN OFF PC" will result in a terrible time, you would be better off using a typewriter than trying to use hardware accelerated word on this "display adapter fixture". Will never buy an AMD gpu again... Never crashed during gaming though, it's been amazing for that, but that doesn't excuse it's unusable performance in everything else... sorry for this rant, I feel cheated by all the people saying "nViDiA iS ActuaLLy WoRSE"
You are forgetting something very important to the whole "amd drivers sucks reputation" a lot comes from way before that timeframe you provided, in the past, amd drivers was terrible, it was not like today or even 5 years ago, and a lot of that bad rep sicks even to this day. The truth is pretty much what your pointed out in this very well done video. Amd driver team improved a lot in the last decade, hope by continuing doing that, the old bad rep goes away.
Built my first pc in june of 2020. Ryzen 5 2600 and 1660. Then in March of 2022 I upgraded to ryzen 5 5600x and 6700xt. About 2 weeks after I got my 6700xt I started having random blackscreens when loading up games, would have e to reinstall amd drivers every single time. Had that issue about 3 -4 times a week. Then after a driver update in like November or October I only had 1 or 2 black screens since.
There are problems on boths side. I used to buy every new nVIDIA card back in the day and I had problems with ALL of them. I tried every new driver they released. Both WQHL and beta drivers and I always ended up with blue screens of death at some point. It was so annoying and at the time I played competively Unreal Tournament. It's been a while but getting blue screens in a middle of a 1v1 or 10v10 could end up loosing a tournament and that was not acceptable. I ended up swithcing when ATI (before AMD bought them) released their X800 card and I've have x1800, HD2900, HD4850, HD6950 and now the 5700XT and I've never had a blue screen on any of the cards. - On the other hand I've heard of exact opposite experiences of me from friends.
One other thing that's worth looking into.... how many issues or performance increases were strictly in the raw drivers vs. in "Geforce Experience" or "AMD Adrenelin"? Quite often, those performance boosts seem to be the wrapper software tweaking your game's config file rather than an actual driver change.
I know that OpenGl performance used to be an issue with AMD GPUs, but that was mostly addressed in a driver update well over a year ago. Emulators of more modern systems tended to perform a bit better on Nvidia GPUs, but with Vulkan being the standard API now I don't know if it's still an issue. The thing that keeps me going Nvidia still is compatibility with older games, I'm talking games from the early 2000s. Games that are less compatible on modern systems usually have a functioning workaround on Nvidia cards because those GPUs are that common, but I'm frankly a bit scared if some older games are no longer playable on an AMD GPU because of a lack of workarounds.
I recently upgraded from an RTX 3070 to an RX 6900XT. I had the 3070 for around 4 months and never experienced any issues or crashes related to the gpu. After upgrading to a 6900XT, my PC started crashing relatively often. I initially thought it to be a power supply or cable issue since it only happens when I play games, but I determined that's not the case. Usually after 1+ hours of gaming, sometimes more, sometimes less, my screen will go black, and my system will reboot. Note, the system will reboot, and I will hear windows boot chime letting me know my system is on and posted, but I will get no signal to my monitor. Additionally, my PC sometimes power cycles after I turn it off and turn it back on again. I don't know if this is a driver issue, I don't really know what it could be. I don't think it's a hardware issue, and sure hope it isn't. It doesn't always happen which is what made me think it isn't a hardware issue, but rather, a software issue. For example, one time my PC crashed after about 20-30 minutes of playing Forza Horizon 5, but another time I played Hogwarts Legacy for 3+ hours straight with 0 breaks and had no issues whatsoever. I have tried undervolting and underclocking, not by large margins since I didn't want to mess anything up, but that didn't work. (-25-50 volts and/or -100 mhz) If anyone has any ideas on what the issue could be please let me know, thanks.
My biggest problem with AMD drives is Windows 11 will replace them with their own drivers with out notification and obvious workarounds don't work. I have to do group policy edits registry edits and enter command in the console. This should have been automatically done by the installation software
Times drivers killed cards: AMD = 0 Nvidia = 2 Highest tier of issue, lol, unfixable by waiting for driver update. Seriously tho, good vid... I only wish the data went back as far as this "AMD drivers suck" misconception has existed. In my 25ish years involved in PC building, half that as a biz, I've seen both companies stumble with driver issues. But if you take the prevailing sentiment, Nvidia is made to look innocent (it's their marketing team's long fingers, btw). Mindshare is a powerful thing.
One thing which I think is crucial should have been covered in this video, the actual experience when updating uninstalling or reinstalling the drivers Nvidia has GeForce experience which forces you to create an account, 'optimizes' games without consent and is overall buggy when updating the drivers AMD has much better software as they don't have a seperate control panel, instead everything is just in one program Monitoring and upgrading to newer drivers is much better with AMD software Other than that, great video, amazing job.
They’re both equally shit in terms of what their main job is but radeons software is so much more shit that i had to uninstall it when i had a 5700xt because for some reason it would bug out my games and drop my frames to two if not crashing them.. i had this problem with my r9 290 too although my r9 290 was a lot more stable and only had driver issues related directly to the radeon software on gta v (closing it in the task manager also fixed the problem but doing that over and over again is not fun)
I think using the "number of issues fixed" metric is a fundamental flaw with your reasoning though - That only assumes that both companies are fixing issues at the same rate, which we don't know is true? I don't think you can derive the total amount of issues by just how many have been fixed.
Been having issues with my 6900xt for almost a year now. I'm sure having dual monitors has something to do with it as well. I've tried everything. 22.5.1 driver runs the best but can't run newer games with it. I didn't think I'd be stressed out over a graphics card/pc. My rx5700 ran great however. I think Covid really screwed the quality of GPU's and software in general. I hate Nvidia's unethical business practices right now, but if prices ever go down, I'll definitely get Nvidia. Even though my issue isn't unique to AMD, it seems to be more consistent with them.
i use a 6700 xt, my second monitor is a drawing tablet. I only had one issue and that was software related to the program on my second monitor. I rarely use both monitors unless i want to multitask, like playing on the bigscreen while having all my tasks like discord, youtube and so on, on the second one but never had any real issues that you describe.
I had random black screens when I combined my 144hz monitor with a 60hz one on my RX 6600, this was a listed problem in AMD drivers page and it took quite a bit to get fixed, it was very annoying.
You're using fixed issues as a measure of how many issues exist, this is so obviously completely wrong. The problem with AMD is the myriad issues that never get fixed, or just pile up as even more are introduced. I'm a game developer and have been developing 3D engines for literally decades, it has been a constant battle working around AMD driver bugs and poor driver performance as they only optimise specifically for what popular engines and benchmarks use. Compared to this, developing for nvidia is a delight as all graphics API features work as expected and perform excellently. Start looking outside the AAA games space and AMD is a total and complete crapshoot. You don't need to take my word for it, hop into the AMD developer forums and look at the endless threads filled with years of developers pleading for the same issues and poor performance to get fixed. When they finally decide to fix one thing, years later, they break 5 others in the process. I've fallen out of love with Nvidia because of their recent pricing and other shady BS, but still I have to warn our players away from AMD because performance is vastly inferior to Nvidia and new bugs constantly creep up that we're not always able to fix on our side. Reporting bugs to AMD is hopeless.
Bingo. Incredibly poor optics on AMD's part when they advertise the 7900xtx as being a creator card for Unreal Engine devs, and even promote their partnership with Epic, yet actually using UE5 with that card is anything but good.
I still think you are missing the mark. AMD's driver deficiencies are primarily around older API's and older games. The biggest issues being with their OpenGL implementation. Interested in playing an old OpenGL emulator? Nvidia will run it perfectly whereas AMD will have all sorts of render breakage. Want to use an old shader mod for Doom 3? Get ready to see problems on AMD. What I can say about this is that it is not just bad luck or incompetence that causes this. Nvidia was (is?) the primary voting member on the OpenGL ARB committee and made sure that OpenGL was always designed to run best on their hardware and make driver development a nightmare for AMD ( patent minefields, unclear specifications, etc). AMD has been heavily pushing a move away from OpenGL for this very reason ( starting with Mantle and leading to Vulkan \ DX12 ). The morally courageous thing to do is to support AMD and ensure Nvidia plays fair with the OpenGL situation by boycotting their products. Sadly, nobody ( myself included ) is gonna give up rock solid retro gaming experiences for a dubious chance at humbling Nvidia with consumer pressure. If AMD want to put the driver stigma to bed, they are just gonna need to: hire more OpenGL developers, help more game developers (and open source projects) work better with their hardware (and API's), and maybe pay Nvidia license fees to add support for OpenGL features that work better when doing things the patented Nvidia way. It doesn't matter how they get there, AMD just needs to ensure that Project64, Doom 3 mods, Prey mods, etc all run well out of the box just as seen with Nvidia drivers. As long as AMD treats old games and API's as "obsolete garbage" they will never catch enough market share. People don't care about how old a game or mod is, they want old software to run and if AMD doesn't properly support those games they will forever be seen as having buggy software \ drivers.
Over the past 25years I’ve used I tel i740 …. Yes Intel dedicated GPU, AMD /ATI 295x2, Rx580, Vega56, 6700XT, and Nvidia GTS250, TNT,TNT2, Viper16, GT9600, GTX590, GTX690, GTX980/980Ti, 1080Ti, RTX2080Ti, 3060, 3070, 3080/80Ti, RTX4090 on a variety of builds and for me, experienced more ‘medium/high impact’ driver issues with Nvidia than AMD. Although I only played games and not professional workloads on my gpus. This is a great video to release and to show people who question who has the better driver. Although, this nay sayers will say that AMD doesn’t acknowledge issues lol 😅😂🤣🤦♀🤦♂🤦
I really like this idea of statistically comparing. I thought adding in the RX 5700 XT black screen issues would have been good, it seems a lot of the negative sentiment came from a particular issue from 2019-2021 or so.
well, i've owned multiple nvidia gpu's and have never experienced the issues i've had with my only amd gpu i ever owned ... hours of trying to get my rx6600 to work and pnly to give me flickering, overly saturated colors, black screens, no signal screens ... after my horrid experience with amd i went back to nvidia and spend $100 more on a rtx3060 because it just worked with windows automatically downloading and installing drivers without an issue ... i tried to give amd a chance with their gpus, but the driver issues was too much for me... and' i'm not an amd basher because i've owned more amd cpu's than intel, and i've never had issues with either cpu .. but when it comes to gpus', i'm sticking with nvidia
Well - just returned a RX 7900 XTX, since it practically did not work with VR at all which was the main purpose upgrading for me. It doesn’t make sense to wait for a driver for 6 months before a fix if VR is what I’m doing. Of course VR users will buy the most potent GPU’s, and i just can’t believe that they would launch their “flagship” card without telling anyone about these major issues. People in the forums on AMDs site are pissed in the VR threads…
I recently built a pc for myself with the 7900xtx. The first week I was having serious problems. Every so often ( never happened while playing) happens when doing something simple like opening a browser after playing a game. After updating and uninstalling and reinstalling and yelling at the graphics card everything works just fine and I haven’t crashed since I yelled at it. True story.
If a person want to risk their money on AMD, good luck. I know people who have used both AMD and Nvidia, and ALL have worst experiences with AMD. I want to buy a AMD card but AMD scares way too much. I would rather pay $100 more for the same performance and my card and drivers work great , than get a better price and more ram on a more unstable platform. we all have the right to spend our hard earned money on what ever we purchase. I choose stability over AMD which is clearly hands down the better price and vram offering deal. There is a reason a Mercedes cost more than a Dodge.
I just got a 7900 XT a few months ago, i did the proper driver uninstall in safe mode, got the latest amd drivers and started on standard graphics settings as suggested by many people. It has been the worst experience i've had so far on pc, constant crashes, games unable to load, driver timeouts display dropouts, screen taring and flickering. I've went through all the fixes, reseating the gpu, disabling MPO, disabling and enabling adrenaline settings, power cables and praying to the gaming gods. I wouldn't touch amd again if they gave cards away for free. this is awful. My old GTX 970 was a brilliant card, and if i'm being really honest, i don't see that much difference in game (when it works). Maybe you need a complete amd system for it all to work properly together, i've a i7 6700k. but as i said it has always been rock solid until the machine was infected with amd.
Nice! I've glanced over the release notes before the RDNA3 release to solve that riddle as some YT commenter was worried about AMD drivers and found that they are relatively similar between AMD and NVIDIA. (Of course we don't know how complete these release notes are.) Mild warning for new architectures from me though. The track record for AMD making a release and things just work as expected is not so good. Seeing those getting fixed and performance improve over time (aging like fine wine) somewhat makes up for that though like buying a raw gem and polishing it into higher value.
Had vega56, replaced it 2 days ago with 6700xt. No issues with drivers, flawless experience feels so great Faster than Nvidias cards and cheaper with 300 euros.............. rocks at 1440p at in some games more than double the fps vs old card (5 years old so).
From my past experience, ONLY 2, I have one GTX 1080 for about 6 years, it was working perfectly until october 2021, for some reason that no one, in any forum can explain if I update the driver for any version higher than 472 my windows just crash, I already changed motherboards, changed processors, RAM, SSD, changed from windows 10 to 11, I have done many clean install and nothing, so after 1.5 year due to this bad experience I decided to change to AMD now I own an RX 6900XT and so far so good, let's see how it ages, but from my ONLY 2 experiences NVIDIA is the one that gave most headaches.
The last time I had a game breaking AMD Driver issue was when well... Using a card made before AMD even owned Radeon. If I recall right, I was running a Radeon 9250, went to play Titan Quest, and once I loaded into the game world, the entire ground and almost all objects were simply black. Never had issues with an HD 6950, HD 7770, RX 580, and now, though only a bit over a week, an RX 6700 XT. My brother however did have some issues briefly with his RX 5700 if I recall. I've used some Nvidia cards along the way as well, I just came from a 1660 Super, and to be fair, I've never really experienced any serious issues with Nvidia either. The one thing I did notice in more recent years, was AMD cards I got tend to be much bigger than Nvidia, and often ran at higher temps, but... The 6700 XT I'm running right now, although bigger than the 1660 Super I had, is running at pretty similar temps, sometimes cooler. The fact I got a new case, and new case fans, could play a role in that, but I can't say for certain. In the end, both AMD and Nvidia have served me well. I simply buy w/e offers me the best bang for the buck at the time.
Until the past year, AMD performance in OpenGL was straight up trash, especially compared to Nvidia. Though they have apparently, finally, fixed that. It would have actually been a dealbreaker for me but since I'm building my pc months after that point it's fine now.
AMD cards have given me a ton of headaches over the last few years. They are relatively minor issues but they add up, and shouldn't exist on such expensive products. I would say from personal anecdote that while AMD drivers are fine and users who don't have Nvidia as a reference probably won't mind, there is a "quality of experience" margin which is worth the extra cost in my opinion.
I had nVidia GTX 1060 and zero crashes for 1 year. Later I had Radeon RX 6700XT for 1 year and I had countless crashes despite trying every single damned advice and diagnostic tool suggested on the internet. I hate Radeon and the amount of grief they caused me is irredeemable. There is nothing they can ever do in the future ever to change my opinion. AMD literally ruined gaming for me because I never know when my game will crash. P.S. please do not respond to this comment with troubleshooting advice; I am just warning people about AMD problem here
I had constant horrendous issues with my Pallit RTX3090 right up until just before the 4090 launched. I couldn't spend much more than an hour in Skyrim and I had to leave it a good half an hour between different games if they even moderately taxing. My Skyrim is modded with 4K textures but I'm not using an ENB and my 3070 laptop handles the 2K texture pack fine. My cards interface doesn't show memory temperature but my guess is that was the problem? Still have occasional issues but it is so much more stable now. Performance drops now rather than just crashing and I can go from one moderately taxing game to another and it's fine. Still better to leave it for a but for anything taxing to avoid obvious performance drops. That's all with a Pimax 5KXR, it was a bit more stable driving my original Quest and I often had to resort to that when the system was unstable after windows updates. When it could drive my Quest without issues then I'd break out the more demanding 5KXR. No w I pretty much just use my 5KXR exclusively for PC and the Quest for standalone or wireless streaming from my laptop.
I do a lot of 3D rendering, and when I built my own PC, I was able to get great deals on an AMD CPU and AMD GPU. However, I started having issues where my application would crash, giving me an ACCESS_VIOLATION Error. And this went on for the better part of 5 months. A tech from the company that designed the application finally figured out that AMD's Adrenalin Drivers were the reason. And the AMD forums indicate that this issue has been going on for well over a year with no patching done by AMD. So I had to uninstall Adrenalin and install the GPU drivers manually. Problem solved. But it shouldn't be on the user to come up with a work around solution.
There's a flaw in your method: When you calculate how likely it is that a gamer will experience a high impact issue, that metric is heavily impact by the fact that nvidia has 3x as many medium impact gaming issues. Meaning: if amd had much more medium gaming issues than it does (which would obviously be a bad thing) and the number or high impact issues stayed the same, that would improve that metric in amds favor. So amd having less medium issues actually hurts it if you go by the way you are setting up your metrics. Youre comparing apples to oranges in a way. Even though i understand what you were trying to do/showcase its still a flawed method. Better would just be to compare the likelihood of running into a high impact gaming driver issue on either card. In that case its there is a 15% higher likelihood to run into a high impact issue on an amd card upon driver release (34 vs 40). But over time with cumulative open issues there is a 2.5% higher chance to have a high impact issue on nvidia over time (41vs40). Thats a much better way of looking at it.
If you use emulators or play games that were released over a wide era like old games that use opengl, it's the truth that you're gonna have a lot more headaches with AMD.
I can tell you, I've used a 5700XT since 2020 with the 20.8.3 drivers to start and AMD drivers have been fine. The only issues I've had are games made with Nvidia SDKs that utilize CUDA opcode and API calls that don't offer any DirectCompute or OpenCL alternative fallbacks until they're patched, and then things smooth out. I've even used older cards like the HD 5770 with the 15.x.x series drivers and they've never had issues either except with, once again, CUDA using games. Otherwise, AMD drivers have been great for me. I've even used the AMD AMF codec with OBS both before the recent optimized fix up and after, and AMF has never been problematic or have I had any real quality issues.
I have an AMD RX 480 8 GB (5 years old now) and Ryzen 5600. The problem AMD has is "herd effect". This causes another issue: developers will use and optimise for the "majority". if you look at the marketshare, then you will see why the "amd drivers suck". I watched a hoghwarts legacy review where the 7900 XTX destroyed the nVidia 4090, they used a Ryzez 7700x CPu and of course, they blamed the AMD CPU "it is CPU bottlenecking the nVidia card", no way it can be nVidia drivers or a bad optimisation by the developer, no, it had to be AMD's fault.
The reason i stick with nvidia is basically due to tensor cores, but especially cura workloads, stable diffusion for instance, or flowframes, or any other algorithmic software that greatly benefits from cuda.
I had many GPU's over the past few years, probably over 25, both AMD and NVidia and while I've only been gaming on a few of those for longer periods of time (longer than one month) I only ever had one driver issue that had any impact on playing the game. It was with AMD of course but very easily solvable. I would get a blackscreen when setting a game to any other resolution than the native resolution of my main screen but only when both screens, each one with a different native resolution were plugged in. This was annoying because my main monitor as 4k and all the AMD GPU'S I had so far were not powerful enough for 4k gaming and the fix which was activating a simple function in the driver would always reset when restarting the PC. This issue was there for over a year with different AMD GPU generations. AMD's drivers still aren't bad but I switched to Nvidia for my main rig just because of it.
I am regreting every day that i bought 6700xt over 3060ti/3070 14 months ago. Hate AMD drivers, hate how boost is working (living on its own). The must have 3rd party SW to get it work at least as intended. Ill stick with NV next time.
@09:20 Wait, how is the GPU being SHOWN at 100% in one program while not ACTUALLY being at 100% usage "awful"?? Bias much? Or just lack of reading comprehension? The screenshot you show even proves that the GPU isn't actually being used at all, and the graph is just wrong. You talk about how other videos have bias and such, your opinion that a graph shows incorrect values that doesn't actually affect the performance of the system, is "awful" is bonkers. EDIT: ESPECIALLY when the Nvidia issue ACTUALLY has an impact on the customers system, causes game stability issues, whereas the AMD bug has no impact other than a graph having a wrong value.
I'd like to see AMD vs Nvidia for older games instead of newer games. It's been known for a while that if you like older titles, Nvidia performance is better, but nobody really knows by how much. Maybe looking at some early 2000s, mid 2000s and ps3 era titles we can get an idea. Personally, being able to run an older game at 300+ fps would be great at taking advantage of newer 1440p 240+ hz monitors without a super high end GPU.
I've used Nvidia GPUs since TNT. I've had some ATI/AMD cards and always returned or sold them because of driver problems. I got an RX6600 for my son and it's actually great!!! Then I got an RX7900XTX for myself and....driver problems.... ARGH. Since the ones for the RX6600 are good, I'm hoping it's just teething pains on the new architecture. One thing's for sure, they're a lot better than the old ATI/AMD drivers. But...I mean, to be clear, the last RX7900XTX destroyed my windows install and required me to reformat. That's...objectively very very bad. Your methodology is defective. It only counts issues that the manufacturer acknowledges. My issue with AMD/ATI drivers, until recently, were severe issues which were never acknowledged.
This video is such a cope. The issue with AMD drivers is that there's HUNDREDS of issues that are simply poorly documented/AMD doesn't acknowledge/doesn't know how to fix. I'm on the verge of returning my 6750xt because of weird fps behaviour i get in league.
I've always figured if I use an AMD card I'm going to have bigger issues with games that use Nividia's ecosystem. Oddly enough I get less of those issues with Nividia from games that use AMD development tools. So my foil hat theory is that something in Nividia's ecosystem sabotages AMD users to ferment this notion....or the more common answer is just bad coding all around.
Owner of ATI/AMD GPUs (exclusively) from 2006 up to 2017, owner from nVidia from 2004-2006, then 2017-today. Running 24/7 in my home, 12 different graphics cards over those years, hundreds of driver installations (Catalyst 6.11 was my first for ATI, nVidia 46.xx for nvidia). How much fiddling did I have to do with nVidia drivers? None other than ONCE having to rollback drivers. And with AMD? BOY OH BOY, for game X, do Y. Have you experienced Z? Rollback to driver F. Nothing about that bothered me at the time (up to 2009): I was not even old enough to drive; a hardware enthusiast, my life was building PCs, nothing gave me more joy than rigging up a budget machine (a true underdog) tailored to run specific tasks for an absurd bang for the money. Sometime after 2016, I had sold my share in the store I co-owned and joined the corporate world (because sales were not going well, but demand for people that knew IT infrastructure was booming) and not long after that, nVidia launched the best series since the 8000's: GTX1000. Grabbed myself a budget Gigabyte G1 GTX1070 to upgrade my R9 290 Vapor-X Tri-X and set it up. Never had I been for a GPU for so long, over an year without a driver update while playing everything under the sun just blasting. I've grown accostumed to occasional (rather recurrent in hindsight) artifacts in my AMD experience (as far as RMA'ing a brand new card and getting it back labeled 'not defective', because it didn't show the same problems in their tests - and it was a latest driver issue), but they only ever happened in a nVidia if the card was going out of service very soon, like both my MX440 and FX5500 did -- the latter being such a terrible experience that I shifted to ATI in '06. Has AMD picked up the slack? The last driver I have ever installed from them was the Adrenalin 21.1 (when donating the 290 to my wife's PC), they seemed ok. Granted, many things (namely emulators) needed more up-to-date Vulkan drivers that weren't included in the latest version supported by the GPU (but, ironically, people with GPUs as old as GTX750's were doing fine). That was quite apparent when we upgraded the whole rig and left it on the integrated 5600G GPU: everything ran fine on latest drivers. They might have picked up the reputation pieces from the ground, glued them together and developed better drivers? Sure, seems like it; but do you expect the customer to just forget a decade of issues when he clearly didn't have them with the competition? Give them a reason, preferrably a killer GPU and slap it with an unmatched performance/cost ratio. It sure worked with the HD5000's. Otherwise? I'm just blasting and cruising by paying $1.6K on the best and playing without a single issue for the next 3-5 years. I'm not mixing in my business experience, neither some couple hundred PCs I've assemblied and sold over those years (because I didn't run them 24/7 or have control over the environments).
Amds issues seem to be mostly compatibility related. There’s no doubt the internet is flooded with videos and threads about how to hot fix and troubleshoot things as simple as a hdmi cable causing black screens.
