I Took Apart My 2 Million Dollar Concept Car To Fix The High Voltage Battery! This Is What I Found!

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In this video, I rip apart my 2 million dollar concept car to discover a disaster I may not be able to fix! Wait until you see what's inside the battery, under the dash, and why most systems aren't operational. This is going to be extremely hard to fix but with some luck, I may be able to pull this off. Enjoy the show!
Big thanks to Sean (one of the engineers that built the Bright Idea) and my friend Nick from Nick's Garage Builds for helping me understand how the battery can be charged safely.
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@LegitStreetCars 11 месяцев назад

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@mazenthecarguy1794 11 месяцев назад

I am working on my physics exam 🙂

@jordanmercier3616 11 месяцев назад

Working on my first gen sequoia, and a Santa Fe I got to flip.

@VeolonMedia 11 месяцев назад

I THINK IT IS EVERYTHING IN THE WAITING TIME BETWEEN POSITION 2 AND "STARTING - KEY PURE IN LAST POSITION, 5 MIN. WAIT AND START NOW - THE DIVICES NEED TIME TO START

@ChosenBC 11 месяцев назад

As for the PC, that Drive is either Bad or it was formatted. That is a very old, very expensive (back then $2K+) IDE (Flash Memory based) SSD. Its MFD is likely around 2008/2009. Because of its age, and the technology it was made with it is likely no longer recognizable because the older Flash memory needed... i'll call it anual voltage... meaning it needed some power every so often in order for it to keep its information, as it was older silicon/early SSD tech I would likely say it is probably toast. Even a recovery service may not be able to get the info back. As for the Display, that little board you plugged back in would have the buttons on it to turn on and off, and change settings of the display. Older displays like that didn't always just come on when you put power to them. So you may need to take off the electrical tape and try the likely 4 or 5 buttons to get figure out the power button and turn the display on. OR, see if you can feel the bumps of the small buttons, while the tape is still on, and press them to see which one is power and if it will turn on.

@theglitch99 11 месяцев назад

Still fixing my 04 dodge ram 2500 4x4 w/5.9 cuCummins!! Just vacuumed & charged the AC and it blows cold. Had front end damage and fixed all but needs a bumper then done w/ that part!

@zollotech 11 месяцев назад

The battery is a CMOS battery, but as far as the disk boot error you may need to go into the bios and tell it where to boot from. It may have lost the BIOS settings from the CMOS battery being dead and doesn’t know where to boot from. It would be odd for the SSD to be dead, but it could be corrupted of course. However, it is IDE so it may be a 2.5 HDD, but either way I hope you recover the data.

@FrezzyYT 11 месяцев назад

could be jsut a missing hard drive since yeah it wasn't detected in any of the channels. Interesting note that a core 2 duo t2300 is what's powering the system!

@JonathanGray89 11 месяцев назад

Not where to boot from but potentially the drive configuration itself. The drive isn't even SATA, it's using an IDE connector (and isn't being detected at all as per the POST screen).

@Knaeckebrotsaege 11 месяцев назад

SSDs lose their contents/corrupt data if unpowered for too long (couple years). This one isn't even being detected at all anymore (see 25:25 4x "none" on all IDE channels) so there's nothing to set in the BIOS for it to work. that drive's done for

@JonathanGray89 11 месяцев назад

@@Knaeckebrotsaege Unfortunately that is probably the case.

@digitalparadigms 11 месяцев назад

@@JonathanGray89This

@MurderMostFowl 11 месяцев назад

Kudos to Tavarish for being aware of just how dangerous high voltage equipment is. Now if he could only use the same good judgement buying super cars lol

@brettconv83 11 месяцев назад

I had a co worker killed on an alignment rack because he was goofing off and not paying attention. He was jacking it up from underneath with air jacks and didn’t see he was crushing high voltage wire bundle in orange. It zapped him right through the handles for the jack. Killed almost instantly

@aliabdallah102 11 месяцев назад

@@brettconv83damn I wish that was me

@abou824 11 месяцев назад

@@aliabdallah102💀💀💀

@user-ff1ue6lu8q 11 месяцев назад

@@aliabdallah102 you could diy it if you want to I have a tutorial

@theglitch99 11 месяцев назад

More Ev's on the road the more these types of accidents will happen. Ppl are just not aware or understand how dangerous electricity is!!

@Jonls 11 месяцев назад

you know, as an electrician, seeing someone whom isn't savvy on the ins and outs of basic electrician knowledge getting to where you are right now makes me feel pretty good. I went from REEEEEEEEEEE in the last video to feeling semi-confident in your understanding. I was even impressed you didn't swap your leads just to read the cells! I was an acft electrician in the Air Force. So we did a lot with AC/DC wiring and even battery recovery. If you need any other help, you let me know! I am in Indiana and I would be more than nappy to help you with the space van.

@vourkosdude 11 месяцев назад

Every time you switch the polarity you NEED to calibrate the system and the Hall sensor. Or else it doesn't know what phase to use and where it's going. It could also be the source of the problem and be the random place you leave it. Probably not, but maybe...

@zaprodk 11 месяцев назад

The Composite video to USB device is a USB video grabber. It's for video INPUT, so probably for video in from either the BMS or a reverse cam. The circuit board at 24:24 is the front panel PCB for the LCD monitor. Under the tape you will find all the buttons for operating it, ON/OFF, input select, brightness etc. The LCD monitor in front is an off-the-shelf unit modified to fit the dash.

@bgee461 11 месяцев назад

Imagine if the screen is just turned off at that pcb and all he needs to do is turn it back on

@drasticmart 11 месяцев назад

Yup it’s probably just off

@philipmulville8218 11 месяцев назад

Great information 👍

@catfisher420 11 месяцев назад

He needs linus's help. An LTT collaboration would be awesome.

@zaprodk 11 месяцев назад

@@bgee461 depending on the firmware in the monitor, it might very well default to being off after the 12V supply voltage has been removed, yes.

@epic27 11 месяцев назад

The computer’s “cmos” battery just keeps settings such as real time clock and boot settings. Since they used an ancient IDE based drive for booting instead of SATA, you’ll need to go into the bios by pressing delete at startup, go to ide devices, then detect the drive again. Once detected, find a boot settings then select that disk to boot to. Once set press F10 to save and exit, that should help.

@ThePuuFa 11 месяцев назад

It's not like 1990's ancient though. It should be autodetected at boot, but it's not, so sadly the drive is likely toast.

@killabandit 11 месяцев назад

@@ThePuuFayea it should detect it with ide. Just may not be set for what order to boot from.

@lilbHEMI 11 месяцев назад

I also think he only needs to adjust some bios settings in order to boot fine.

@tschuuuls486 11 месяцев назад

That drive is a really early IDE ssd. SSDs are immune to vibration and use very little power. What they hate is beeing unpowered for years and years. The nand memory may be corrupted or lost all of the data. Sometimes they start a self recovery when sitting idle in the Bios for a few hours.

@jg0417 11 месяцев назад

A likely spinning disk in a car that rips itself apart is probably not a good mix. I agree with op that might be worth checking bios settings since the CMOS battery went dead but the POST screen show no master or slave device attached to the ide bus. Unless of course the ide controller defaults to disabled. You could try and get a USB to 2.5" ide adapter and see if you can make a raw image of the contents of the disk for archive and recovery purposes. Also a very quick way to see if your drive is toast would be connect it up to a USB to ide adapter and see if it detects. If the disk is bad, there are services out there where one can achieve swapping platters into a working disk / lifting off solid state memory modules from the PCB / etc. Can be pretty costly. Maybe a couple $1k.

@mikebrodeur12 11 месяцев назад

You should clone that disk onto an ssd. (Or pay someone to do it). There’s a good chance whatever operating system and software they were using can be recovered.

@TheSimonarne 11 месяцев назад

it was already on a 16gb ssd as far as i could tell from the video

@DarthG3nesis 11 месяцев назад

Why that Disk already is an SSD? As you can see the whole System is based on IDE instead of SATA that’s the difference… Even if you would clone that IDE SSD to a SATA it wouldn’t make a difference.

@TheSimonarne 11 месяцев назад

@@DarthG3nesis yeah i think some parts must be garbled. since this is a vehicle a harddrive would break very fast if spinning while vehivle is bunping along the road

@guesswho2778 11 месяцев назад

ssds lose data over long periods of time without power, its very likely there is nothing on the drive anymore, its not even being detected.

@DarthG3nesis 11 месяцев назад

@@guesswho2778 some do, but not all of them

@SteveBlues87 9 месяцев назад

It's Freddies goal to be in at least 1 video from every single car RU-vidr on the planet lol. Dude is everywhere.

@RighteousKill100 11 месяцев назад

That brass thing you wrapped in electrical tape is a resistor, you may want to be careful with thermals on it. You added some insulation that may cause it to burn out.

@zaprodk 11 месяцев назад

Yeah it's a power resistor, but I wouldn't worry as it's not mounted to any heatsink or in a cooling area. But Alex could measure what the voltage drop of the resistor is when the car is charging and from that calculate the power losses.

@HennyTRX3773 11 месяцев назад

They get hot hot tho

@TM-ri5uw 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, it's a high power resistor/heat sink.

@lolimpol 11 месяцев назад

Actually it's likely a shunt, meaning its around 1-0.5 ohm, so it shouldn't get hot.

@allenhoekstrajr 11 месяцев назад

It's actually a load resistor. Ironically it's the same one you use when replacing your tail/turn signal lights to LED to prevent warning or hyper flashing.

@zollotech 11 месяцев назад

Interesting to see you bring this back to life. Too bad the people you spoke too don’t have any old schematics of the electrical system or anything. Curious to see what’s next.

@pesoen 11 месяцев назад

they might have something, but it could be under an NDA or similar contract, or it might just be on one of their old laptops that they kept somewhere, but they cannot remember where they placed it. maybe in the near future we will see one of them uploading it all to the internet because they found the computer :P

@jesusisking1741 11 месяцев назад

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@philipph.927 11 месяцев назад

The thing with the direction of this bldc motor is one, the order of your high voltage cables as you found out already. The second thing is three halleffect sensors. These determine where your rotor sits. It's very important for the motocontroller to know that. So you either switch the high voltage wires back as you found them and live with switched directions or you try a few combinations of sensor wire order. These are smaller gauge wires normally you would find either five or eight of those. Either two power and three signal or two power and six signal. Latter would be quite tricky to get right. But be warned you might need a few tries to get the order right. Whatever you do, don't switch the high voltage cables when you switched the sensor wires. If you do so the possibilitys cube. And that won't be funny. Good luck to you. Definitely looking forward to your next video

@forbiddenera 11 месяцев назад

You realize you can just swap any two pairs of a bldc and it just goes opposite direction right?

@EthanShort 11 месяцев назад

@@forbiddenera yes but he was saying the hall effect sensors need to be switched as well or the motor will try and spin and the controller will sense the motor going the wrong way and get confused and judder like it was in the video. i presume they just swapped the direction in software on the controller but it forgot maybe due to no battery for such a long time

@forbiddenera 11 месяцев назад

@@EthanShort that's not how it works

@EthanShort 11 месяцев назад

@@forbiddenera so when it attempts to spin the motor and the hall sensor it wasnt expecting activates what else would happen?

@forbiddenera 11 месяцев назад

@@EthanShort the direction could be programmed in the controller otherwise the sensor order has the same effect as phase order. Also, why sense something you're experiencing? The sensors aren't there for confirmation of what you think is happening, they're there to tell you what is happening

@brnktv 11 месяцев назад

The CR2032 battery is a CMOS battery. You need to go into the bios and tell it to use that 2.5inch drive to boot. Press "DEL" or "F8" or "F2" while it's booting to get into the bios, and from there, you should find the boot options.

@forbiddenera 11 месяцев назад

Systems of this vintage will boot first detected ide drive generally. No drive was detected, thus no boot device to set

@rosslefave5877 11 месяцев назад

Ctrl alt delete it works everytime

@stixxx2k 11 месяцев назад

@@forbiddenera None of mine ever did. I always had to choose from which HDD to start, if it isn't the regular C drive or IDE 1.

@common_c3nts 11 месяцев назад

@@forbiddenera Not true. The bios most likely needs to be added to the boot order since the memory was erased with the dead battery.

@jplaas7596 9 месяцев назад

Alt F4😂😂

@justchillinout2002 11 месяцев назад

Honestly, I think the best part of this whole series is the buy in and involvement of everyone in the comments! Thousands of individuals coming together to solve each of the small issues! Team work!

@d0gZpAw 11 месяцев назад

Alex, the issue you're having with the boot disk failure is because the boot disk configuration was lost when the old CR2032 battery failed. You need go into the BIOS (press DEL at bootup), select the hard drive as the primary disk, and disable the prompt for keyboard error so that you can boot the PC without a keyboard in future.. the way the dash LCD is wired up makes me suspect that the LCD is initialized after the PC has booted up from the hard drive. Very interesting project, good luck @LegitStreetCars !

@ThePuuFa 11 месяцев назад

Nope, we can see from the post screen that the SSD is not detected at all so it won't magically appear in the boot devices list either. Sadly the drive is toast and needs to be sent to a data recovery lab to hopefully extract the contents.

@mycosys 11 месяцев назад

@@ThePuuFa < what this guy said - but the JEDEC standard is only ~2y without power so i probably wouldnt bother with recovery

@d0gZpAw 11 месяцев назад

@@ThePuuFa In the Jetway manual for this motherboard, it states that the three toggles for HD configuration are None/Manual/Auto and they are set to "None" by default, which *disables the check* to see if a drive is attached to that IDE channel in order to speed bootup (normal back in 2008). There's nothing in this video that leads me to suspect a drive failure yet.

@ThePuuFa 11 месяцев назад

@@d0gZpAw At 25:21 we can see that the bios is trying to detect drives on all ide channels so the manual probably refers to a different board/bios revision or it's just simply wrong. I rest my case.

@ThePuuFa 11 месяцев назад

@@mycosys You're probably right but it would be a real shame if the original software is lost forever so at least it's worth a try, I guess.

@northshepherd8010 11 месяцев назад

The gold thing you wrapped in tape at 16:31 is a 6 ohm 50w resistor. With that kind of casing on it, the typical use is to add load to a car's turn signal circuit, to prevent hyperflashing of the turn signal when you use LED bulbs on a car that wasn't made for them. But they get hot when they're used near their rated current and need the heat sink fins you taped over.

@forbiddenera 11 месяцев назад

This^ 100% While the computer comments on this video are mostly wack af, at least some of the other stuff is smart.

@milescarter7803 11 месяцев назад

With an EV this is possibly a pre-charge resistor to stop massive arcing across the relays.

@user-lb1ks2ip8q 11 месяцев назад

Your patience and dedication is extremely inspiring. Keep up the good work.. I like this series because you’re teaching us to never give up..

@mikemoyercell 11 месяцев назад

You need to go into the BIOS on the machine and make sure that the IDE channels are set to AUTO. Save settings and try rebooting.

@davidg3044 11 месяцев назад

Alex, you probably need to reconfigure the settings since you swapped out that 2032. Hit the Del key and then it will take you into the BIOS/CMOS menu. From there you will be able to see if the motherboard is even recognizing that hard drive. Happy to help if you want it, there's probably a lot of smarter guys than me, but I've messed around with quite a few motherbaords and once you're in to the settings menu it's all pretty much the same.

@icuranis4597 11 месяцев назад

Absolutely correct.

@reddayzz 11 месяцев назад

exactly this, in bios config you have to see if the booting order is correct and the hard drive its even recognized

@Dave96z34v2 11 месяцев назад

Yup 100% check the boot order

@ChrisWijtmans 11 месяцев назад

it should have recognized and populated the drive in drives and boot devices by default. but its worth checking out of course.

@tcsmember 11 месяцев назад

It's reporting a disk error, so a corrupted disk seems more likely. Might still be fixable, though

@chrisedwards3238 11 месяцев назад

Alex, it's an amazing feet to get this concept on the road. Absolutely loving the series. Keep it up buddy. Looking forward to seeing it finally run properly and thank you for letting us learn with you.

@MrGeorgeTBone 11 месяцев назад

As an IT professional, my advice is to take it to a local PC repair shop. Most folks that have been doing it for years would be thrilled to work on an old piece of gear like that. While the advice here from other people in the field varies wildly in accuracy and truth, they are all equally sure they are right and you will never figure out the right answer from the comment section. I am really enjoying the series. What a fascinating and unique find!

@OnnieKoski 11 месяцев назад

I second this opinion!

@berencam 11 месяцев назад

I would NOT take it to a local pc shop. You're rolling the dice on potentially 1 shot at recovering whatever is on that flash drive. Send the drive to a reputable data recovery company. Once it has been determined if the data is recoverable first, then you can gamble with the local shops.

@jesusisking1741 11 месяцев назад

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@dontolbert8973 11 месяцев назад

Yes, do this

@gman1003 11 месяцев назад

As a certified EV tech, I advise he return the van to people he bought it from.

@Rollover_red 11 месяцев назад

Big tip about lineman gloves, wear consumable leather gloves over your linemans to protect them from mechanical wear. At my work, we use those cheap leather gloves to help protect the linemans, not to add electrical protection but just to help keep the lineman gloves from sharp edges. Great work dude.

@Nevir202 11 месяцев назад

Isn't that a potential danger, since the gloves themselves are conductive, you could be shorting voltage to something, either breaking something, or at worst, energizing something you are in contact with?

@Rollover_red 11 месяцев назад

@@Nevir202 depends on your arc flash rating and cal/cm². Anything too high will require a specific calorie rating for specific work. For the type of work he is doing in this car, the arc flash rating would call for full fr clothing and a flash shield as well. But specifically adding leather gloves over your AR gloves will help prevent a cut which will nullify the arc rating on the gloves.

@Rollover_red 11 месяцев назад

@@Nevir202 the code is under "NFPA 70E" for what proper ppe to use for what kind of work. Also, leather is an insultator more than a conductor. Now if you have dirty gloves covered in grease and whatnot, that may be different.

@DiscoveryYSC 11 месяцев назад

This has to be the best automotive sleuthing on YT at the moment. I love SpaceVan content. And as to where the money went...salaries, benefits, social security match, etc. There's not $2M in that van itself. Well, that block of plywood holding the screen in place...definitely a $2M block of plywood!

@chrisstone3939 11 месяцев назад

Great video. Charging cells on a high voltage battery is brave...glad you had the gloves for it. Looking forward to the next learning experience on all the electrics!

@danieljanoian3108 11 месяцев назад

i think that little circuit board might be like the monitor buttons. Pushing one of the buttons might turn the screen on.

@charleyl264 11 месяцев назад

It's likely a 3 phase motor. Switching the two inputs will make the motor run the opposite way, but there is quite likely a feedback sensor that must output in the correct polarity, or you will get a runaway condition. Chain the vehicle down when doing this or you may get a new doorway in your shop and a very exciting ride.

@scottdowdy9994 11 месяцев назад

Or a violent shaking when it finds it's going the wrong direction and tries to reverse to compensate

@berni8k 11 месяцев назад

Exactly! You NEED to also flip around the wiring to the positional encoder for the motor. It won't really make it run away like that, but the problem is that the controller thinks the motor is going in the wrong direction and is trying to get it going in the right once, hence why it is shaking in place. Constantly flipping direction.

@rkan2 11 месяцев назад

Shouldn't it just start reversing then?

@johnsimon7867 11 месяцев назад

@rkan2 I believe reverse was fowrard when Alex took it for that one block drive.

@berni8k 11 месяцев назад

@@rkan2 Exactly it does start reversing but when the controller tries to do that the sensor indicates it was actually going more forwards, so it reverses the reverse to fix it, but then it is going backwards instead of fotwards that it wanted, so it reverses again. These motor controllers are not very smart. They just look at the shaft position and calculate what electromagnets to power to make the shaft move towards the desired position. If this calculation is wrong the motor simply will not move correctly, the controller is not smart enough to realize that and just keeps doing wrong calculations.

@Meliodas_243 11 месяцев назад

26:15 - The small battery there is the CMOS battery. It ensures that the settings in the Bios remain stored when the computer is not connected to a power source. If it is removed, the bios settings are erased. But if it was dead anyway, they can be gone (if the computer doesn't get enough power from the car). Every PC got a CMOS Battery btw. The checksum error is normal when you replace the battery/it's empty. just adjust the bios settings and it should no longer show up at startup.

@genius1a 11 месяцев назад

Great that you could regain the problematic cells and that it greatly helped to resolve the motor shaking issue! Kudos to your cautios way of going forward with this! For the polaritiy change: there are three cables - and while it is indeed good practice to have the middle one (labelled 2) the one that can stay, when you want to change the motor turning direction by interchanging connections, it could as well be 1, or 3 being the one to stay and the other two have to be interchanged. The behavior of the motor just soflty vibrating without turning, would fit such a case. short said: you maybe interchanged the wrong pair. If this motor has this simple Brushless motor wiring. That said- I think it's still more likely, that the change of direction originally happened in the electronic speed controller (maybe some off the shelf frequency converter) settings. Falling back to default settings by losing memory due to sitting with no electric power for years. I would try the connection interchange for the two remaining cases anyways - as it would still be an easy quick fix for commuting a little. But: on the long run, you should try to get documentation about that motor controller, as there could be timing issues using default settings as you let the motor spin faster. In that case it would start to stutter at higer revelations. That knowledge of mine is derived from Brushless motors and controllers of radio controlled models, so take everything with a grain of salt. But I know, that frequency converters commonly have a huge list of possible settings to accomodate to different motors and usecases.

@ShivaShakur 11 месяцев назад

This is good info! I think you're onto something

@jdiaz271 11 месяцев назад

Awesome build. Keep working out the tweaks . Can’t wait to see more and also stage two GN build I’m from Chicago and grew up building grand nationals till this day enjoy take care

@Savage152 11 месяцев назад

Alex that connector that you taped up all the wires on at the motor is likely to be an encoder / speed feedback system - usually if you swap the motor direction you need to swap the encoder somehow too - otherwise the controller expects the motor to move one direction, the encoder says it's opposite and the controller will usually trip out on a fault. You'd need to find a wiring pinout and work out which 2 wires need to be swapped.

@ShivaShakur 11 месяцев назад

I think you're onto something it definitely is acting like the motor phases are out of sync now

@kb1sxv 6 месяцев назад

Thats right. Sometimes they have encoder bearings. Most EV Forklift inverters are labeled, U V W . In the video I cant see that.

@juxxtapoz 11 месяцев назад

Make sure to check your lineman gloves for any smalls holes because high voltage will find its way through even the smallest pin hole. People usually inflate them for a min to see if any air is escaping to check for holes.

@kctyphoon 11 месяцев назад

True, but he’s not having to worry about 13,000 or 18,000 volts. This high voltage and that high voltage are not the same thing.

@miscbits6399 11 месяцев назад

@@kctyphoon DC is nasty and if you get across it, you dopn't get kicked off like AC does. 350V will kill you and you can stew in your own juices for a while before expiring

@jakefremgen444 11 месяцев назад

And he should really have keepers on them to protect them from getting ripped/holes.

@bigsexymuthashutyomouth2546 11 месяцев назад

First of all, they are meter reader gloves. He wouldn't know how to act with some class 3 or 4 LINEMAN gloves lol

@milescarter7803 11 месяцев назад

That little board you found under the steering wheel is the button board for the screen. Power volume channel etc. You can see the little IR reciever for the remote control on there too.

@RandomGuyDan 11 месяцев назад

As you were looking at that old tech I was thinking you needed to talk to JR, then 2 minutes later you were saying you did. That was so cool. I love how all my favorite car RU-vidrs seem to know each other.

@rdm20fan 11 месяцев назад

Hey Alex, the orange/gold thing you taped up is a resistor. They give off heat in order to make resistance. The body should not have voltage, just the lead in, and out. With it all taped up it may be harder to give off it’s heat. Awesome video by the way.

@dr.mantistoboggan4746 11 месяцев назад

self clearancing model

@canadianthought 11 месяцев назад

Came to the comments to look for this. Exactly.

@sparkypeter 11 месяцев назад

@@canadianthought me too !!

@zaprodk 11 месяцев назад

You cannot just swap the phase wires on the motor as the small circular connetor is connected to hall sensors or a resolver which gives feedback to the motor controller on the location of the motor rotation. Those will need to be swapped as well, so not that simple. Right now the motor controller is confused as the feedback is reporting wrong values.

@zagnut48219 11 месяцев назад

^this. Also, it's three phase AC, correct? So really there isn't polarity like with a DC motor.

@haywoodjablomi7375 11 месяцев назад

@@zagnut482193 phase DC. Imitating a 3 ph AC

@theglitch99 11 месяцев назад

Time for us to start learning these details! Unfortunately this type of tech (electrical) being forced on to us so I don't want to be ignorant to it!

@ronsloan7662 11 месяцев назад

Really interesting series Alex!

@vihreelinja4743 11 месяцев назад

@@zagnut48219 still the hall sensor or similar will be looking at the spinning direction/speed of the motor..

@DillandShaj 11 месяцев назад

I wonder if the motor issue is related to the low voltage connector on the motor. The fact that the insulation was broken might mean they were touching and causing errors in the encoder signals. Also, as others have mentioned here, you should wear a leather glove outside the rubber glove just to prevent punctures/damage to the rubber gloves! Amazing video as always Alex and good luck with this project!

@BenDover-tp1xb 11 месяцев назад

Just want to point out how awesome it is your friends with tavarish and also a fan thats amazing awesome to see you guys always supporting each other

@time3947 11 месяцев назад

Hey man, as a gen x computer guy, the one thing I recommend you do is clone/copies that drive and any other computer storage that is unique to that vehicle. You don't want to take the chance of losing or corrupting that information, assuming it is all still good, and not have any backups available. I would also keep multiple backups of that information. I am sure that you are going to want to have one copy to be able to look through and use as a possible test/tune copy, so you are going to need several copies of all the data contained within that van's computer system, at the minimum, just so you know you have it in case you need an 'original' copy of that information. Something else may want to do is, document the systems,especially the computer system, so you can know which parts are completely unique to that concept van..... and which may have been already been available and used in its design. I am thinking mainly of the computer system.... if there are any chips or other electronic parts that were designed and manufactured specifically for that van in case something happens to them or they go bad. At least that way you can decide if they are parts that are replaceable, there is a chance to design a workaround, or it is totally unusable.

@reprovedrope1424 11 месяцев назад

computer showed no boot device so drive is probably already dead

@russwilliams4678 11 месяцев назад

@@reprovedrope1424 After the impact drill I'm sure it's toast.

@reprovedrope1424 11 месяцев назад

@@russwilliams4678 yeah most likely disks are shattered

@ukaussi 11 месяцев назад

@@reprovedrope1424 it is an SSD so no disks

@russwilliams4678 11 месяцев назад

@@ukaussi It's a spinning platter disk of the 2.5 IDE variety. Any solid state ide stuff from the era of the car had different packaging then laptop hard drive.

@LegitStreetCars 11 месяцев назад

Do you think I'll ever get this back on the road and functioning like it did originally?

@robez. 11 месяцев назад

Definitely can, might take another 12 years but you’ll get it one day

@FYMASMD 11 месяцев назад

No. Too much time and money to do it. And it’s really not that cool. Pass it on.

@mistreku 11 месяцев назад

X doubt. You are very skilled but that is a prototype and it will provide an endless amount of unknown issues, imo.

@JorgejRodriguez23 11 месяцев назад

If anyone can it's you alex..this medusa of wiring you got is nothing but time consuming but if done correctly u may potentially get more than u paid for

@jimk8520 11 месяцев назад

Wrapping that high current resistor in electrical tape wasn’t the best idea as it needs to dissipate heat.

@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS 11 месяцев назад

It’s awesome seeing you guys all working together.

@RichieRouge206 11 месяцев назад

I have followed Freddie since his first days so it was great to see him with you on here. This is such an interesting project!

@MrCanbuildit 11 месяцев назад

Here is a tip for your "linemans" gloves.... they are supposed to be used inside a pair of leather outer gloves to protect the rubber gloves from punctures and abrasions.

@craigt8432 11 месяцев назад

He’s also suppose to air test them every time he uses them and make sure they’re not expired. Hopefully they rated for what he’s workin on

@jesusisking1741 11 месяцев назад

Jesus died for us all, and rose from the grave to defeat death, so we can have eternal life. please give your lives to him, and repent, he loves you!🙏🙏❤️

@dustincredible1249 11 месяцев назад

@@jesusisking1741🙏=💩

@bensabelhaus7288 10 месяцев назад

IIRC the rubber gloves need annual testing as well in addition to proper use with the leather gauntlets. Yeah, there’s zero finger feel at that point. But it sure beats feeling something once then never again.

@andrewjohnson5275 11 месяцев назад

I would guess the $2 million would include the man hours as well. Not the equipment in the van but the overall cost, a year of payroll, tools, R&D, rent so on and so forth

@LogicalNiko 11 месяцев назад

$2 million is nothing for such a project, if you are paying $100k/engineer thats $8k per person per month (before benefits, payroll taxes, etc). So you are probably looking at least $100k/month as a basic run rate. Then your looking at the doner vehicle, custom ordering cells (probably after going through some test iterations), fabrication shop fees, supplies. So $2M is probably funding about 6 months of development if they were very conservative.

@johnnicol8598 11 месяцев назад

It sure didn't go to the guy that wired it. At least I hope not.

@FrankDBoyce 11 месяцев назад

Probably built better than the submarine

@JunkGaragehome 11 месяцев назад

@@johnnicol8598 this wiring is actually really good for a internal prototype and functioning concept car. this was nto the final product and was not meant for any one outside fo the team to work on it for it;s small stints of driving around

@brendan8596 11 месяцев назад

programming the hybrid system would be pricey

@bulutege 11 месяцев назад

The thin pcb you pulled out from the driver side is a screen controller. If you unwrapped the rest of the isolation tape you will see the control buttons. There should be an on/off button on that pcb.

@boelensds 11 месяцев назад

jep agree with that observation

@johns4192 11 месяцев назад

Hey Alex, Ive been watching since your turbo diesel MBs days (have 3 in the driveway). My wife's a hospice nurse so we need good economy and reliability. Youve helped me keep her 09 e320 going at 265k now! I enjoy the diy stuff (will upgrade my w211 diesel to AMG Brakes this summer) and she loves your adventurous projects- (bright idea van, supercharged escalade wife wagon, the audi rescue). Pls keep up the good work! Your content is inspiring and informative! Oh, she wants to know "where is Peter?" Anyway thank you for what you're doing for us! We appreciate the instruction and entertainment ! And I'll be re-doing rear brakes on our squealing ml500 tomorrow! PS we lived in Andersonville when I was in grad school- we loved it and miss it alot, especially during summer! Anne Sather= da bomb.

@baasbowing 11 месяцев назад

You manage to make a topic that I don’t know much about (electronics) very interesting to watch. Your problem solving techniques and perseverance are inspiring! And the way these videos are edited make for GREAT entertainment! Keep it up Alex!!

@BiPolarBear722 11 месяцев назад

I like this series because you’re teaching us to never give up.

@justinrogers1807 11 месяцев назад

Helps there are tax breaks for this project and also funded by yt money

@DavidMorales-cb4pe 11 месяцев назад

Best of luck with this van Definitely following your progress

@lovboyful 11 месяцев назад

love watching these guys videos especially because they work with eachother tavrish rish etc its a amazing group of auto friends

@1968roadrunnerred 11 месяцев назад

No matter the outcome, the fact you took it on is an inspiration

@grayeby6525 11 месяцев назад

Few options here, before taking it in check that boot priority has the HDD you have selected. When removing the battery you reset the bios and it could have messed up the boot order. Second thing is that I'd try that HD in another computer to see if it can be read. A simple disc cloning program could clone this drive as well if its beginning to go bad. Good luck.

@nathanc.4862 11 месяцев назад

I'd have someone plug that SSD into another computer to see if it is still functioning. It's possible that the data can be recovered and migrated to another SSD.

@pXnEmerica 11 месяцев назад

The SSD wasn't detected. A solution might be to find someone with PC-3000-sata/sdd. Many of the early cheap SSD's were junk and the controllers just crap out. If it was detected and it hadn't run out it's spare sectors I'd consider more simple things like DDrescure or Vivard, which would then force the drive to go through every sector and attempt to repair itself, but without the motherboard detecting a drive, he's kinda hooped there.

@chaos.corner 11 месяцев назад

@@pXnEmerica It could still be the other end of the power/the power or the sata connector or the motherboard itself. But yeah, it wasn't detected and that's quite concerning.

@SquidNick 11 месяцев назад

BIOS showed no drives detected, so it's not boot order. Moving the SSD to an external 2.5" disk reader and plugging it into a computer would be step #1 for me. But also if time is money, just send the drive out to a PC repair shop. That is likely going to be what you need to do anyways, and you will save yourself a half a week of work. The nice thing though is that the car's computer seems to just be a computer... so you can also fully replace/upgrade that once you get the disk fixed.

@williamruch2633 11 месяцев назад

I had a computer motherboard from that time frame that you had to go into the bios to select autodetect - the bios defaulted to having the autodetect disabled.

@NGC1433 11 месяцев назад

Tavarish saying "Join the club" in that exact tone.... My day is done! You did my day!!!!

@marklasson3177 11 месяцев назад

Love the channel. This episode reminds me of when I couldn't find a socket in my garage and I ended up remodeling the entire space into a garage cave... 😂.

@BadHaddy 11 месяцев назад

The yellow box is a ground isolation detector. It measures insulation and resistance, probably used safety mechanism. That USB device is to feed a video signal into the computer. For giggles, i'd connect a small monnitor to the composite connector going into the USB device, it might be an information screen from the battery management system. Or it could just be the backup camera. The carputer/pc cannot detect a hdd, but it might just need some configuration in the bios to fix that.

@Aosman42 11 месяцев назад

That you took the time to do what looks impossible is a sign of your hard work and dedication itself!!

@bcheo890 11 месяцев назад

Dude keep this going!!! Want to see this work! Love this car

@DougMillerDKS 11 месяцев назад

🎉 Congrats Alex on reaching 1M subs!! Love your channel bud.

@emilsjonans4518 11 месяцев назад

You should measure cells internal resistance before applying voltage. Check the measured value against typical IR values. If it's out of spec you should replace and recycle damaged cells not apply voltage. I learnt this the hard way... Thank god it was just a lithium ion cell with a pressure release and my charger had protection features. Still needed clean pants after that 😃

@transam1242 11 месяцев назад

Your patience and dedication is extremely inspiring. Keep up the good work.

@hitardo 11 месяцев назад

I am loving this series! This van is just a bunch of bushes with candy behind them 😀

@magnulof 11 месяцев назад

The experiences you have with thinking you've found a solution for it to uncover a new problem is so relatable

@MZ-hw2gj 11 месяцев назад

Like the way you are taking on this project Alex. Keeping us informed with the ups and downs.

@JohnnnieBravo 10 месяцев назад

I haven’t heard the term, “yesterday night” since like… third grade, maybe. These linguistic jewels are one of the many, many reasons that subscribe and watch regularly… and you should too! Alex has genius level comedic timing. Always informative and always entertaining.

@0toTSX 11 месяцев назад

Keep it up, Alex! We're all rootin' for ya!

@jeremymann8930 11 месяцев назад

Just for future reference, there should be leather outer gloves over those rubber high voltage gloves to protect them so they can protect you

@Taydrum 11 месяцев назад

True but I don't think 320 volts can jump 1mm rubber. 10,000 volts definitely, but I think he should be fine

@mycosys 11 месяцев назад

@@Taydrum That wont stop you tearing the glove on one of those contacts.

@jeremymann8930 11 месяцев назад

@Taydrum the leathers are not for extra insulation. They are to protect the rubber gloves from sharp edges, metal slivers, and chemicals which could deteriorate the rubber and ruin them

@Taydrum 11 месяцев назад

@@jeremymann8930 yes but as long as they are airtight, there shouldn't be any issues. You're right though, there should be leather covering the rubber

@CarFul 11 месяцев назад

Incredible the perseverance you can keep up with to work on this mystery van, Alex! 👍😀

@simonbennett9687 11 месяцев назад

I love to see collaborations between car RU-vidrs! I think you should get Mr Dunn in on this too. Experimental electric being his particular area.

@dionsyran2 11 месяцев назад

In a 3 phase motor, you can change the way it rotates by swapping 2 phases (whatever phases, it doesnt matter). That also works the other way with any random set of phases

@chrisnavin123 11 месяцев назад

Hey Alex, the whole car may have been wired and setup that way from the start. these motors need to know their position for the driver to activate the right coils at the right time. For low speed application like a car you need some kind of encoder to ensure closed loop operation at low speed. That encoder is connected to the driver and is causing the driver to think the car is moving backwards when its trying to drive forwards. seems like there is some kind of protection since it should have tried to runaway(could be the coil timing are causing the motor to stick in place). maybe looking up the encoder wiring and seeing if you can switch that around would do the trick, cross referencing some part numbers will do the trick. I might be completely wrong though, but its worth a try. As for the buttons being wrong, they may have wired it wrong and instead of switching wiring around on the controller they probably just programmed it that way(inverted the encoders). please test this with the car up on the lift.

@scottcol23 11 месяцев назад

I have 100% faith that John can fix the PC. I have been subscribed to him for years. He was in IT for a long time.

@nnotto 11 месяцев назад

I was having trouble making out the name of the channel he said, and he didn't even link it in the description - but thanks to your comment & profile I was able to see that it's @WatchJRGo 🙋‍♂

@jonathangreen4958 11 месяцев назад

Amazing watching you try and I’m sure you will, figure this ride out!!! 👍😂

@unknownunanimous2160 11 месяцев назад

Travish continuing to impress me with his awesome happy joking vibes , can't wait till you reach a 1m subscribers you sure deserve it alex hope they send you a golden shield soon 😆

@guits_n_games7678 11 месяцев назад

That coin batt probably kept the cmos in tact. You'll need to go into a system menu to reprogram the boot sequence. Typically hold down a function key during power up. F2, F10 and F12 are ones I have seen for various systems. Good luck.

@kbhasi 11 месяцев назад

For that BIOS it's the [Delete] key

@dakotaruiz3890 11 месяцев назад

Pretty cool project, I think it’ll be awesome seeing it on the road one day. I’m sure you can get it Road worthy

@doncaswell3586 11 месяцев назад

Congrats on 1 Mil!!

@Jlockjammers217 11 месяцев назад

Loving this collab 1:57 Tavarish was my first auto RU-vidr I ever watched and found LSC on recommended channels. Love Tavarish but LSC got my heart lol

@Toastmaster_5000 11 месяцев назад

The CMOS battery in the motherboard is used to store the clock and BIOS/firmware info. The disk failure _might_ be because the BIOS doesn't know to boot from the drive, or, that it's configured to boot in a way that doesn't make sense (like RAID when there's only one drive).

@w1jumpmaster 11 месяцев назад

This! Battery stores all the BIOS settings. Have to find the disk or controller to boot

@jonnydwolf 11 месяцев назад

I believe Cletus would give you a, “hell yeah brother!” For this. Ok maybe not, but I do!! Way to go Alex and team. Hopefully 1 million subs soon.

@michaelwall2954 11 месяцев назад

Congratulations Alex on 1m subscribers! 🎉🍻

@thejudgemeister 9 месяцев назад

I am no computer expert but I have dabbled with them before. That battery you replaced is the CMOS battery and also helps the computer to maintain its startup settings. With it having been dead, and with the error saying no disc found, you probably need to set up the boot sequence again and be sure there is a readable hard drive with the software on it.

@MisterGank 11 месяцев назад

DVD capture is for video-input. What you need is a output for that screen/monitor I would think. -- The button cell battery is for time memory & settings retaining. The first boot screen shows IDE drives DETECTED and it is showing NONE. It was very common for those 1st gen SSD drives to go bad in a couple years sadly. Sometimes a GOOD shop can recover the data! Also, because the memory cleared from the BIOS for the default settings, you should maybe have a 'nerd' take a look and it might get back to a working status.

@ams.8958 11 месяцев назад

Been waiting for this upload, such a cool project.. 😎

@andrewfletcher5584 11 месяцев назад

That was the perfect start to the video. Nice intro with Tavarish

@T_bone 11 месяцев назад

This project has shaken all of you awesome super nerds from your hiding places. Love the input. Very interesting.

@icuranis4597 11 месяцев назад

Once that CMOS battery went dead and lost its 3 V. The hard drive boot settings were lost in CMOS. If you boot into CMOS and change the boot settings back to the flash drive, it should work.

@Yandel.Negron 11 месяцев назад

This is so cool to watch!!!

@atx_marxco 11 месяцев назад

The amount of patience you have is incredible! LOL!

@DanniV8 11 месяцев назад

I've worked on quite a few High Voltage batteries, and when single cells drop like that, they're just dead. You can get the voltage up and it'll be stable, until you put some proper load on the HV battery, then those same cells will just flatten right out.

@PatricksDIY 11 месяцев назад

You need to go into the bios and change the boot drive to use the one that is attached, with the battery dying, the memory of which drive to boot from was lost, So when you go in, you should have that option to set it. Or Depending on how old the computer is, while its turning on, if you spam F5 you can get to "Select Boot Disk" and chose the disk that is installed. Let me know if you have more questions, This is what I do for a living. ( computers, not concept cars lol)

@tcsmember 11 месяцев назад

It's an IDE SSD. With default settings it should boot just fine, so here, the memory is most likely corrupted. Possibly only the boot sector. That drive should not be touched with any automatic recovery tools. Instead, a copy should be made (e.g. using ddrescue) asap.

@tcsmember 11 месяцев назад

By memory, I mean the SSD memory, not BIOS

@BravoNorris 11 месяцев назад

@@tcsmember even if the memory is corrupted, the logic part of the drive would be detected, as in listed as a drive present, and then give an error whent trying to boot. It's a really old drive, wich might have gone bad for being unplugged for 12 years or from the computer itself being powered on and off without the safety procedures (rotating the ignition key will power it on and off). That computer will need to be checked and set up from a IT guy, who knows what it needs to be done, I.E. settings in the bios to make it turn back on on power loss automatically, so you don't have to go in the back and press the power button, etc.

@therealpsychotrader 11 месяцев назад

Hey man! Since the cmos battery died, the bios has been reset, resulting in the boot path being reset as well. Go into the bios and change the boot path to the ssd attached. Good luck man!

@rome0610 11 месяцев назад

Well, if there is no harddrive detected, the boot order is irrelevant... 😉

@promustangman 9 месяцев назад

I love that Van !!!

@toddfrazier3844 11 месяцев назад

I'm so excited that the Space Van is getting better ❤️

@Czechbound 11 месяцев назад

This series is *excellent* !! Can't wait for the next instalment. I appreciate that it must be frustrating for you there, but it was very interesting to see what balancing a battery actually means.

@toasterwear 11 месяцев назад

For the computer, open it up and make sure the sata/SCSI cable is connected to the motherboard. If that doesn't work try and read the hard drive with another computer. There are adapters that can be picked up for a relatively inexpensive price. If you can read the data from a separate computer, the computers connecter might be damaged. If this is so you might need to replace it. Good Luck!

@DarthG3nesis 11 месяцев назад

SATA/SCSI? Dude, that’s IDE 😂

@forbiddenera 11 месяцев назад

Yeah and sata and scsi are absolutely not remotely similar especially in cable size..unless you wanna talk about SAS but that's definitely not a thing here 😂

@LexusLFA554 11 месяцев назад

"Move in the right direction" IS a song by american band Gossip. I really like where this is going. Never expected a whole PC to come out of the car, with such a interesting case.

@victoryroadperformance3131 11 месяцев назад

Congratulations on 1,000,000 subs!

@joshuacooch4789 11 месяцев назад

sadly looks like the drive has been formatted on the van hopefully someone can recover the data but it can be expensive to do we wish you all the best love the video

@revealingfacts4all 11 месяцев назад

Hey Alex, if you run out of options getting that dashboard computer screen working, I'd be willing to take a stab at it. I'm both an IT guy and a software developer. I write code for automotive ECUs and clusters. You might try just going into the BIOS/UEFI of that computer and simply associating the drive. Another tool is SpinRight from Gibson Research can sometimes recover damaged hard drives. Love your channel, love watching your project journey unfold. Let me know if I can help...

@ThePuuFa 11 месяцев назад

Sadly the SSD is most likely dead by bit rot. Some data recovery lab might be able to get something out of it but I'd say the chances are pretty low after so many years of being unplugged.

@revealingfacts4all 11 месяцев назад

@@ThePuuFa that's true and temperature too also affects bit rot however, wear leveling can combat that and there are diagnostic tools you can use to inspect the health. SSDs all use NAND memory with onboard controller between the bus and memory chips and depending on how far we want to go, we can exploit that to recover the data. I have the lab and tools for it if he's interested.

@ThePuuFa 11 месяцев назад

@@revealingfacts4all That's good to hear. I'm aware of those tools and I've used a few of them myself but if you noticed at the post screen the ssd is not detected by the bios so it would likely require some hardware tricks to make the data recovery possible. Personally I've never had much luck with drives that weren't seen by the bios but I'm just a hobbyist after all so hopefully you can do it. It's a really fascinating project and a real shame if the original software is lost forever. Cheers!

@AdventureIreland 11 месяцев назад

You have the patience of a saint, that van would have cracked me by now, keep up the good work.

@lonewulf0328 11 месяцев назад

The little circuit board wrapped in electrical tape at 24:45 looks like it could be an LCD inverter, which controls the backlight of the LCD screen. if the inverter was missing, the LCD would be on, but you wouldn't be able to see anything on it. I have seen those little boards on laptops and monitors both. The CMOS battery on the motherboard is just really going to hold system settings for the BIOS, such as the system clock, so it should still run even if it is dead (thats why it said press f1 to restore defaults after the battery was swapped). The message about the hard drive could be indicating a bad hard drive, but usually those don't just fail over time, but could have taken too much of a jolt (like when a motor was shaking the whole vehicle) and damaged the platter in the drive. Older non-solid-state platter hard drives were not very shock-safe, unlike newer platter drives that have sensors to move the read/write heads off the platter when they sense a g-force. It really brings me back seeing a POST screen with a 1.6ghz intel and DDR2 memory. It also makes me feel incredible old that I still have computer parts (because I am a pack rat) that are even older than those...