I Tried an LFM ACC Nordschleife Race… and I’m RAGING! 😡

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The Nordschleife has finally arrived on Assetto Corsa Competizione… 25km and 154 corners of Green Hell. And today, there’s a staggering 81 cars on track.
The result? A complete and utter SHAMBLES! You will NOT believe what happens in this race. The first lap alone contains more carnage than I’ve ever seen before. All in all, it’s safe to say my introduction to the ACC Nordschleife was one of the toughest challenges I’ve EVER faced.
It’s a slightly longer RU-vid video today, but I urge you to stick with it - you’re going to see complete chaos, from the first lap to the last. The levels of aggression on track are insane… and so are some of the crashes!
It’s the Nordschleife Sprint Cup on Low Fuel Motorsport… a one-hour multi-class race featuring GT3, GT4, GT2 and Porsche Cup cars. And as if things weren’t difficult enough, I’m also having to start at the back of the grid behind a lot of the slower GT4 cars. Technical issues with my wheel and pedals forced me to exit the qualifying session and reconnect them. By the time I got back in, there wasn’t enough time to set a lap time.
This is going to be the most gruelling ACC LFM challenge I’ve ever faced… wish me luck, I’m going to need it!
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@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Quick update on this race… to add salt into the wounds, I’ve been docked 16 positions and demoted to 61st 🤦🏻‍♂️ It seems my final 8th lap didn’t count (maybe I didn’t complete enough of it) so I’ve been pushed way down the results. More frustratingly, the driver who caused me to DNF and didn’t drive any further than I did - he was penalised 10 seconds for causing the collision, but was allowed to KEEP his 47th position! So now, I’m feeling even more hard done by! 🤣 Thanks everyone for your support and encouragement, it sure was a wild and crazy race!

@firstjayjay 3 месяца назад

to be honest, i wouldn't call the start aggressive driving. to me its inexperienced drivers. They are driving beyond their abilities....

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah, “aggressive driving” is me trying to be polite 🤣🤣

@Simcadepro 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing shame the problem is his to slow and unexperienced driver hence the RAGING title for someone that doesnt have the pace or skill is behind the pack

@sarahorton9223 3 месяца назад

I used to joke on ACC forums that what is the point of wanting Nordschleife when most of the player base can't even keep it on the track racing at Brands Hatch. Nice to see this theory held true. I think ACC has become the go to "my first sim" and it shows that most the player base plays this game like Need for Speed. Either that or they all went to Lance Stroll driver academy.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah I think that’s a very valid observation. I knew there would be accidents, but wasn’t expecting to see SO many SO soon. The GP circuit should have been the easy bit 🤣

@snappedbydan 3 месяца назад

A joke is one but thing but it's simply not a valid observation and doesn't have any basis in reality. Nordschleife is raced on successfully in ACC by hundreds of players every day. This particular video is not a good example of a typical Nordschleife race.

@sarahorton9223 3 месяца назад

@@snappedbydan It's a joke that's not far off from reality. Not saying every race, or even half the races are like this, but between this, iracing, and AC, I turn to ACC when I want to see, and try surviving carnage. I haven't tried nords on lfm, but in pugs I have, and, my god, this hasn't disappointed me.

@brendanariki 3 месяца назад

Haha, the Lance Stroll driver academy of kids who lick windows.

@IcedCubes98 3 месяца назад

I'd say the requirements for LFM are way too low. I have 25 h in this game with no prior sim experience and managed to get my LFM license. Am I good at the game? absolutly not, I'm a driving hazard as soon as I leave the pits but I still have the option to ruin every race I join in LFM (in split 1 most likely). It's a shame they fill split 1 full to the brim when there are rookies who can barely keep it on the track, before opening split 2. Rather make 2 splits with 30 cars instead of one with 60.

@pmurraysm 3 месяца назад

That was deliberate at the end, brake lights only indicate he was controlling speed to not miss you, you can see by steering input he isn't panicking or adjusting. He should be reported and banned. Rory Alexander had a similar thing with a blocker/rammer on ACC recently

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ahhh yeah, must admit I hadn’t even thought of it that way. I have filed a report on it, although I did it as ‘causing a collision’ rather than ‘intentionally causing a collision’.

@joevogt6804 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing Is that incident already decided on? If not, delete it (that is now possible) and file it as "intentional".

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

@@joevogt6804No ruling yet. However I’ve also filed a report on the rejoin in lap 1, so I’ve used up my limit of 2 reports. I think if I delete this pending one, I wouldn’t be able to file another one.

@Burl_Hurlbutt 3 месяца назад

I do not envy the LFM stewards after this race, good lord. It's also crazy how people still don't understand that they should line themselves up parallel with the track before rejoining. There was no reason for that guy to murder you at the end of the back straight.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Hahaha totally! I think they’ll need to take a fortnight off work 🤣

@Maverick9k 3 месяца назад

Yea, that was deliberate trying to be disguised as an accident. I have drove countless laps on numerous games, watched the real N24 for the past 7 years, and watched all kinds of content creators. That corner is a very easy corner, once you mess up 1 or 2 times, you never mess it up again, everyone knows not to go that deep into the corner before braking.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, really good point. I said in another reply, that is the section everybody will have practiced more than any other on the Nordschleife. In practice or hotlapping, you’ll crash somewhere, reset and start again… and those are the corners you’ll always get to first, when you start any new lap.

@stormforce9521 3 месяца назад

Being totally taken out during the last lap is incredibly unlucky, especially after the chaos in the earlier laps that you managed to avoid mostly. At least you took part.👏

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thanks Tony, it was an experience, that’s for sure. Probably would have been better (and safer) with smaller grids. I was so gutted at the end, but after the dust settled, and making the video, I realised I still enjoyed it. Cheers!

@TheDrummist88 3 месяца назад

Genuinely one of the most enjoyable sim videos ive watched for many reasons! Great content. Subbed.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ahhh thank you mate, so glad you enjoyed it, and welcome to the channel! Really appreciate the sub, cheers

@Fernside5 2 месяца назад

These videos are so entertaining. The commentary is insane and the edited replays excellent. I am so involved in the races, who cares if it’s virtual. I don’t even want to know how long it takes to make these videos. Well done Chris!

@chrisrogerssimracing 2 месяца назад

Thank you mate, I love hearing how much people enjoy watching. I try to get the excitement and drama across in every video. And yes, they take a fair bit of time to make 🤣

@phippsa3 3 месяца назад

So many turn 1 idiots at Nordschleife. You really need to qualify well to avoid the lunatics

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Was that you I spotted, a long way ahead in the distance, when we lined up? My lap times here are currently around 8.29 or 8.30 so I’d have only qualified around P50-60 probably. In this occasion, reckon I was safer at the back… at least I was able to tip-toe around it at T1 🤣

@phippsa3 3 месяца назад

It was me, I did see you way back and knew it would make for an interesting video 🤣. Think I ended up around P10 in the race if I remember. My qualy times are usually around 8:13 or 8:14. If you can avoid the chaos you usually get a pretty decent result.

@salmopr 3 месяца назад

if you get lucky at first corner, you would but theres always a player who think he's best,,, ---- i havent won any race yet, but if you look at my rating , between 85 and 99 , especially in RC

@phippsa3 3 месяца назад

@salmopr yeah I had a Split 1 race here yesterday, qualified P9, got killed at turn 1, lap 1 with about 40 seconds of damage and back to about P50. Why are people trying to win a 1 hour race in the first turn.

@salmopr 3 месяца назад

@@phippsa3 yeah man , this is unpredictable, as much as you want to do right, there's always a different driver w\ a different thought ,, lol

@ThomasRaceEngineering 3 месяца назад

Less than 3 corners in and I could tell how this was going to end 😂. Unlucky mate, you drove well. Getting a top 50 would have been a great result.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah, I was fearing the worst even when we were under rolling start procedure 🤣 honestly thought the 80+ cars would be divided into a few splits. Chaos!

@Ben_LaBroca 3 месяца назад

I’ve got to be honest, sadly I’m not sure I see the point of these kinds of races. It’s bizarre to see a kind of Forza mentality taken in an ACC race which is one hour long at the hardest circuit in sim racing. (That might be being unkind to Forza racers). Fair play to you for a) trying the race in the first place b) keeping going amidst the madness c) not retiring from sim racing forever after the final lap incident and d) bringing it to us in a very entertaining video!!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

And e) ageing 10 years in one hour 🤣 honestly mate, it was the most brutal race I’ve ever tried. The GP circuit was a mess, and then all the faster guys who got wiped out in T1 were willing to take so many risks to force their way back through. I think for a modest casual like me, it’s too much. I will certainly try it again sometime, but not for a while!

@hockeytard1 3 месяца назад

Chris, first off, absolutely no apologies are necessary for a longer video! I loved this! A 25-minute video felt like 5 minutes thanks to your outstanding commentary! I was gutted watching your misfortune though. If it wasn't for bad luck, you would've had no luck at all on this day. Don't give up on the Nords though. It's an amazing track, and sometimes the racing is epic and extremely enjoyable. I would check your tire pressures though, they looked a bit low in the front. At the end of the day, at least you got some experience on this track and great content for your channel. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get back out there Chris! :) Great entertainment dude. Seriously great commentary !!!!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ahh thank you, of all the videos I’ve made, I think I had the most fun making this one! I do love the track, one of the very few sim racing tracks I could happily just hot-lap on without getting bored. I’d actually tried a race the previous day, and it was really clean (and relatively non-eventful) thanks to a much smaller grid size. I think the 80+ cars was the main contributing factor to the mayhem. But it created a spectacle that was too good not to make a video of! Cheers for watching 😃

@Thumbtwiddeler 3 месяца назад

honestly, GT3 is generally full of people who simply cannot drive multiclass outside of the top split and can only just drive the circuit on their own at speed. I have been enjoying driving the M2 here, and the M2 class is populated with people who can drive longer multiclass races. on top of that you almost certainly get in to the top split where drivers have more experience and know how to navigate traffic.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

That’s interesting to know. I do really like the M2. I started driving it a while ago when I was a bit disillusioned with the GT3 racing, and it was good fun. Maybe I’ll give it another try. Thanks!

@Thumbtwiddeler 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing I would, highly recommended. Default aggressive setup is good if you increase the rear ride height a little and turn the TC off. I find I'm actually learning to drive the track now instead of how to survive in a GT3 (Even after I snuck into the first 24h a coupe of weeks ago). beware of L1 as always and the people who didn't qualify (I stick to my starting side of the grid with the indicator on so faster cars know which way to go). Enjoy! maybe I'll see you on track

@studio9guy 3 месяца назад

I feel your pain, Chris. I bought the track as soon as it became available. I spent a week practicing, but even then I couldn't come up with two clean laps to qualify. So I gave up and went back to AC. Your frustrating race is a bit of vindication for me - I do this for fun - not increased stress. In the end I was happy to see you didn't get stuck with a DNF, and you actually ended up placing okay.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I’ve seen a lot of chatter on Discord about the track permit test being too easy, and letting too many people in. Well, I found it really challenging! It wasn’t easy to get to 8.38 and took me several attempts. I was on the verge of calling time on it too, as it was taking up too much time. But yeah, all the people in this race will have done a lot of laps to be able to lap at that pace cleanly. But I guess it doesn’t count for much in race conditions!

@andymiller5585 3 месяца назад

Incredible and shocking to see some of the standards in peoples driving. An ELO killer, for sure. I'd also agree that the last incident was deliberate. Nonetheless, you're a great sport and it hasn't destroyed your overall enjoyment. You're braver than i am in choosing that combo, but congrats on the result, Chris.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you Andy. As always, the consolation of a terrible race is usually an action-packed video. And I’ve not made one as action-packed as this in a while 🤣

@Walt1119 3 месяца назад

What a crash fest! Finishing where you did was pretty good considering all the crashin going on!!! Thanks for sharing w us Chris!!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I think that first lap is one of the most streetwise laps I’ve ever driven, I was really proud of it. And I always give a nod to ‘Walt’s barrier’ whenever I go through the corner early in the lap that was your nemesis back in our GT4 community race that time!

@billcranston3882 3 месяца назад

That bmw had a world of time to rejoin safely before rejoining directly in front of you. Awesome video as usual - very entertaining indeed!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah! And also, looking at the run-off area he was waiting on, it would have made much more sense to go a bit further down the road and point himself in the direction of the track. Would have been far safer to get on quickly, rather than rejoining horizontally after being hidden behind a barrier.

@TheDrummist88 3 месяца назад

Great commentary voice and energy!

@salmopr 3 месяца назад

at last corner, men you gotta love this game

@metzVR 3 месяца назад

I’ve just started getting back into ACC and also considering trying lfm again, I’ve had 3 races total using lfm for acc and all 3 were terrible experiences. I’m hoping things have changed. After watching this video, my hopes remain pretty low. With regard to both of your main incidents, the bad rejoin was just terrible luck, I would certainly be reporting for a bad rejoin, the last incident though, I’m not so sure it wasn’t deliberate, literally straight lining that corner it looks very sus. I’d be reporting tbat too for reckless driving. Do the lfm stewards take action for submitted reports? Great vid as always Chris.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thanks Metz, yeah LFM’s reporting system is excellent. The best out there IMO. All hearings get published on the Discord, with detailed reasoning. This one was undoubtedly a mess, but I think the sheer size of the grid was the biggest cause. It would have been much better to have 2-3 splits, and a bit more room on track! But as it was, people should have been way more careful on lap 1. Don’t be put off by LFM though, I have far more great races than I do bad ones. And even this one was fun (in a sadistic kind of way!) Cheers

@davidontherailroad 3 месяца назад

You never have to apologise for sharing a longer video. We know you're not going to waste our time. What a crazy combination. At least it wasn't raining!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha thank you. As a spectacle, I knew it was too good NOT to make a video on!!

@sunjaydot6094 3 месяца назад

absolutley nice video :) nice moderation and great replays :)

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed watching 😃

@simpleH. 2 месяца назад

11:38 You could turn the minimap on. Great Video! I think you healed my Attention Span.

@chrisrogerssimracing 2 месяца назад

Yeah great shout. I used to HATE mini maps on the hud because they used to distract me too much, so I always switch them off. But since starting with LMU, I’ve left the mini map on and have found it quite useful. So maybe need to try using it again in other sims too 👍

@brummiegaming8008 3 месяца назад

what a crazy race, some right numptys on the road, . . wasnt expecting the punt at the end eitjer, so unlucky . Thanks for bringing us the video, golden content, i did chuckle atr the shit show that the race was. See you next time 👍

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you mate. Yeah that final crash really took me by surprise! Usually I’ve always got one eye on my mirror, but I wasn’t looking at it at that moment. Literally had no idea what was going on, it all happened so fast 🤣

@Blownpistonmotorsport 3 месяца назад

Videos like this are why I'm glad to not have gone back to LFM haha, great race Chris, good job just hanging in there and not giving up

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you! I’m not sure what was more stressful, driving in the race or commentating on it 🤣

@marvinrascal3376 3 месяца назад

Your commentary is exceptional. Subbed 👍🏻

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Nice one, thank you mate, and welcome to the channel! Glad you enjoyed watching 😃

@nieko3038 3 месяца назад

Yeah wow. Wreckfest edition Nordsleife. Shame you got taken out in the last lap. Love this track.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I love it too. I’m a novice at it, but it’s one of the very few tracks I would happily hot-lap on without getting bored. This new ACC version looks great too.

@Teqqlesdoessimracing 3 месяца назад

Wow, you were right. Carnage! I think there were plenty of drivers not remembering to look at the deltas for oncoming cars on a re-join. This definitely smells like people who don't know the track and want to learn it in a lobby. That last hit was stunningly bad! 🤬

@Frack_Black 3 месяца назад

Great vid, appreciate the amount of editing done to tell the full story of the race.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ahh thank you mate, that’s very kind of you to say. My videos always take a bit of time to edit, but this one took far longer than usual! Appreciate you noticing, thank you 😃

@bkluex5818 3 месяца назад

I can understand you! In large grids there are always many different skill levels and that results usually in carnage. I changed to the gt4 cars at the Nordschleife until I reached lap times under 9:00 min, so I learned the track and the handling and problems of the gt4. Then I changed to gt3 and after 2 laps I made it in 8:19, now I am much more confident at this track and when I'm laping other cars specially gt4. The most dangerous cars are the gt2, because they are fast at the straights but slow in corners and are often driven by inexperienced drivers... But having fun is the most important in sim racing....

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

That’s a very sensible approach to learning the track. I dived straight in with the Lambo, my lap times are around 8.29 so quite a way off your pace. And I was really nervous when it came to passing GT4s. I’ve just about learned the track layout, but learning where you can race/overtake/defend will take A LOT longer! Cheers

@bkluex5818 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing If you need a track guide for the Nordschleife, I can recommend Nils Naujoks guide: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_nZXSXQFcHM.html The problem is that in the fast turns the gt4 are often at the edge of the grip level, but the gt3 can go flat out. Overtaking in such a situation is quite risky for both, because in a gt4 you need the whole track. Both drivers have to be aware about the overtake. If you want to have more information about the yellow flag situation I can recommend the ACC drive overlays. With that you can see the distance and the side of the incident, this ist quite nice..

@coxyindubai2929 3 месяца назад

That was nuts, I did my first during the off season week and forgot just how aggressive ACC drivers are compared to AC...they are just clumsy! Good luck for the next one!

@coxyindubai2929 3 месяца назад

For the record, the M4 at the beginning didn't hold the brakes, as most didn't during incidents, this is why people get involved in wrecks that aren't their fault

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, there was a lot of that on display in this one!

@bongbardo 2 месяца назад

Your thumbnail on this one was hilarious :)

@PaulHester66 3 месяца назад

"I'm gonna take the safe route", "I'm not quite sure where people can crash here", sorry, I literally lol'd a second later. Top video, loved it, love the picture of all the cars heading to T1. I'm not sure but general yellow can be ignored as it is track wide but if you see marshals waving yellows, beware. I tend to stick to morning nords where there are "only" about 50 cars

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah, it was definitely a bit comical out there. I’d fully expected the field to be divided into splits. Was quite surprised (and scared) when I saw all 80+ cars on the same track. Think I might prefer to look at those morning races in future, for a more sensible grid size. Cheers

@junkerdenb5063 3 месяца назад

Great job on the video, hard luck on the result. That and Plymouth losing away at Stoke you’ve not had a good week😅

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah! I was meant to be going to the Stoke away game but the coach company let us down at the last minute, so I did this race on Saturday to try and cheer myself up 🤣 it didn’t work! Haha

@stishy75 3 месяца назад

This track is not for noobs, but unfortunately, racing has attracted so many people over the past few years and they are far too aggressive. I know people love this track but, I'm not one of them, especially for racing other people on. It's too narrow, the kerbs are killer and with so many corners it can take a long time to be proficient. You were sooo lucky to make it past the first corner, such a shame a complete idiot spoiled your finish. 😢❤

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I was really keen to try it. I did a couple of Nords community races in RaceRoom a couple of years ago, but I’ve never had the chance to do one like this, and make a video on it. I think the huge grid size certainly didn’t help. I was expecting it to be 2-3 splits, rather than one giant grid. I’d actually tried the race twice a day earlier - much smaller grids, and far cleaner. Trouble was, I crashed out early (on my own) in the first, and then got a DQ for forgetting my pit limiter in the second! I wanted to wait for a proper spectacle for the video.. and I got it with this race 🤣

@charliemonkracing4849 3 месяца назад

There’s a reason I’ve stayed away from the Nords on ACC. It was bad enough on raceroom 😂😂 Loving the videos tho mate, Hopefully see you on the grid soon 👍🏻

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah. In amongst all the carnage, there’s always the consolation that it makes an action-packed video afterwards! Cheers, yeah hopefully see you on the grid soon!

@nock-racing 3 месяца назад

This was a hard watch, not because of your content Chris, that's as good as ever, it's because of the sheer carnage in every direction at every turn. Well done for getting through it as well as you did

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you mate, I only truly realised how chaotic it was when I viewed the replay back to start making the video. In the race itself, I think I was so stressed, my eyes were permanently pinned on the track right in front, and the rear view mirror! I’m glad I’ve tried it once, but I probably won’t be making a habit of it 🤣

@ashtonmark24 3 месяца назад

Another excellent commentary. ❤ You got the title wrong though... Should be Bumper Cars! 😮

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ha yeah! That’s certainly what lap 1 resembled. Amazed my car had any rear end left 🤣

@yellowboat8773 3 месяца назад

Got to report him mate, that was deliberate all day of the week

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yes mate, I’ve popped a report in for this, and the lap one rejoin. If it had been a big mistake, I’d have expected him to send a message afterwards to say sorry. But not heard anything.

@marcosicolo4542 3 месяца назад

I tried to do this race on Saturday, but the servers were down. After watching this video, maybe it was for the best

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha lucky escape! This was the race right before the servers went down. For a moment, I was asking myself whether I should try the race again. But then the servers were offline, so I took it as a sign to walk away 🤣

@SmithersSimRacing 3 месяца назад

Talk about an action packed race Chris... good job you never had a heart monitor on I think it wouldn't have been able to take the stress of that race.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

That first lap was easily the most stressed I’ve ever felt while sim racing. I kept reminding myself… it’s meant to be a hobby!!

@SmithersSimRacing 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing Yes a hobby. I wish a lot more people would think that on track. A lot of people take it too serous .

@petermartin5197 3 месяца назад

Sorry Chris you may not like me saying this but I absolutely loved this video it had every thing, not much fun for you though but great editing again, and as someone else said 25 mins felt like 5 to watch please don't give up on Nords when its good it's incredible racing.I fully expect the standard to improve when folks learn the track better and dial in their setups, or at least that's the hope.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha not at all mate, that’s music to my ears! When I get such a disastrous race like this, it’s almost like therapy to be able to make a fun video and know people are entertained. Thank you!

@Teqqlesdoessimracing 3 месяца назад

Thanks for enduring that for our entertainment 😂

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ahhh you’re very kind, thank you David, much appreciated. I told you it was carnage! I seem to have a sixth sense for finding these chaotic lobbies!

@Teqqlesdoessimracing 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing so you're telling viewers to abort if they see you in a lobby? 😉

@phippsa3 3 месяца назад

That last hit was either deliberate or the guy has never driven the Nordschleife before.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

He was all over the place on the previous corner too. That’s the one section of Nords everybody should know best… it’s the very first bit, so we’ve all practiced it more than any other section!

@ericjack3218 3 месяца назад

Great effort, Chris! So sorry to see you get wrecked that close to the end. This is why I'm so apprehensive to join open lobbies, LFM or not. I just can't believe the levels of selfish, discourteous, foolish driving on display. I'm also terrified of the Green Hell! I've only ever driven it on some older games like Forza years ago and haven't even gotten the DLC yet. My league is opening next season with Nurbs! At least it will be a smaller group (25-35 cars) of guys who don't normally drive like idiots. In the meantime, I'll just focus on the final race of the season next week at Spa.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Well, I hope T1 treats you better with fewer cars to cause mayhem. Community races are generally the way to go for safer racing. At least you know any mistakes made will be 100% honest ones. Good luck! What league is it?

@ericjack3218 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing Champion Motorsports (CMS) community on the Thursday night ACC 50+ league.

@adpr5278 3 месяца назад

thanks for sharing. fair play to you enduring all of that gracefully. but that was insane. if most races are like that it sounds like a huge waste of time. not going anywhere near those any time soon. 😊

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

It was the most stressful race I’ve ever had. I think it would be much better with smaller grids of say 30-40. I’d tried races the previous day with small grids, and they were much cleaner (but quite non-eventful - lots of lonely driving).

@adpr5278 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing guess not easy to find a good balance 😒

@EhPlusSimRacing 3 месяца назад

Wow, tough crowd in that race! Looks like a few folks put their elbows too far out.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Elbows, fists, feet. Pretty sure I got headbutted a couple of times too 🤣 Roughest race I’ve ever been in!

@KevKlopper 2 месяца назад

Gotta love a good round of Wreckfest. Such a good game.

@chrisrogerssimracing 2 месяца назад

🤣

@dicair172 3 месяца назад

Tried a race the other night and did not finish a lap. 5 punts and got forced off track by over aggressive drivers. Reminds me of LFM races at Bathurst were Skyline turns into a parking lot.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, surviving the first lap is the ultimate challenge. I had to dig deep and come up with my best ever drive to get through this first lap… well, until my luck ran out on the final corner 🤣

@rankisdumb214 3 месяца назад

I'd also like to say. Learning this track using a different physics set up is hard enough. I personally haven't wasted my time racing it. You literally need dozens of hours on the track to learn it and dial in a cars set up! I feel the game would have been much better off adding two more great tracks vs this one! Truth be told there's like 20 people who can put up lap times fast enough to win major events here. Add in the rain every single 24 hour event and it's really not fun. I'd much rather see Sebring, Virginia, Road Atlanta, Road America, sepang, LaMans, tracks where you can have good clean racing without constantly risking death lol

@ondrejkratochvil4589 3 месяца назад

Well at least you didn't crash into in the youtube corner... just in the section before it 😁 (btw how do the cars in ACC behave in that es, in raceroom you can pretty much send it over the kerbs there)

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

You can certainly ride the kerbs a little bit if you ease onto them mid-corner. The problems occur when you hit the kerb head on when it starts - exactly what I did in my crash. It’s too big a bump to save. I’ve only just started driving the Lambo, which is very kerb-friendly. I wouldn’t fancy trying to ride the kerbs in a Ferrari 🤣

@bricktop2090 3 месяца назад

Tbh, Chris, you knew this would happen, its difficult with 25 cars on track but 80? 🤔thats not a race, thats demolition Darby😳

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I know! I was quite stunned when I saw the grid. I just assumed the race would be divided into 2-3 splits, rather than chucking all 81 cars into the same one 🤣 Terrifying

@Koopid 3 месяца назад

That was deliberate as hell. He gave you the pos first and then he pushed really hard to catch up and take you out.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, not great! I’ve submitted a report of the incident, so we’ll see what happens 😃

@owni.d 3 месяца назад

AC1 Green Hell Cup is actually quite civilized on LFM!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I’ve not tried that, but maybe I should, now the track is engrained in my mind!

@duanejones9354 3 месяца назад

Mate, how you didnt launch the PC through the window I don't know! The difference in behaviour on LFM between AC and ACC is stark.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha, the races I’ve had these past couple of weeks, my PC would spend more time out on the pavement than in my room 🤣 but yeah, this was particularly rough. Way too many cars!

@djuro14 3 месяца назад

OH NO! Again! 🤣

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah I was going to comment on the last one, that I yelled that more than once! But thought I better not spoil it 🤣

@Asariias 3 месяца назад

Incredible! Nice racing btw. I think youre still too cautious, but this race, shows that maybe im wrong and youre right. PS is there any chances for 1440p res?

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah I know I can be over-cautious sometimes, but this race is a prime example of why I do it. I haven’t got the luxury of being able to do multiple races… on any one day, it’s one race only for me, so I need to make it count, and give myself the best possible chance of finishing. I think a lot of the aggressive drivers don’t mind wipe-outs, because they’ll just go back and try it again and again each hour.

@amateurgtdriver 3 месяца назад

This is the most evenful Nordschleife race I've seen.. My word.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I’ve seen some carnage in my time, but this was on another level!

@shieldyourselfmusic8567 3 месяца назад

great vid - almost wants to make me install ACC, almost

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Certainly the most action-packed video I’ve made. But I dunno Stu, a lap at this track is an awful long time to go between sips of wine! 🍷

@shieldyourselfmusic8567 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing HAHAHA

@daviddavies3637 3 месяца назад

Oh boy. What to say about this race? It was fun to watch until the end. Until that obligatory error that was possibly your finest ever drive. The Green Hell is an absolute nightmare to race on at the best of times. You then got caught out by ACCs overly aggressive tyre temperature model. Before you had that early shunt, I was thinking that maybe the best tactic was to pit early to get out of the traffic. 80+ cars is nuts. I just put my PC together at the weekend with the old configuration (6800XT now back with Overclockers). But 80+ cars would probably kill my 2600, so I'll have to put in the 5800X3D and sort out the error I get with it at the moment.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

My PC was struggling big time with it as well. My FPS was really low, and I had some big stutters (which I never get on ACC). Actually, the video recording masks it well, and it doesn’t look much different to normal. But at the time, while racing, it was a real struggle to concentrate with it being jittery. Good call via the pitstop, I’d planned to pit in at the end of lap 2, but surviving the first lap and getting in straight away, for a clearer track… that sounds far more sensible if I try it again.

@daviddavies3637 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing I did actually notice the frame rate drop in the video, probably because I was looking for it. I've heard back from Overclockers. As it's a 6800 XT, they have no more left so are going to give me a refund. Noticed the other day that the 7900GRE is roughly the same price and is a little bit of an upgrade.

@mescalineondemand 3 месяца назад

the driving standards in LFM currently are horrible, elbows out fully in most races, no respect or responsibility. my rules for LFM are currently; not on weekends, not too late in the day, no gt3 - had some luck, but still people treat it as wreckfest more than often... guess thats the curse of LFMs popularity.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I can see the logic behind those rules. This race was a Saturday race, so I immediately broke the ‘no weekends’ rule 🤣

@salmopr 3 месяца назад

dang bro,,, you got so far just to get one last crashed ,, i feel you, i really do

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you mate, yeah it was a tough one to take!

@salmopr 2 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing hey Buddy, this is out of context what I'm about to say, I can hit 100% gas, and my brakes pedal activates abs by it self, and now I started wondering why I can't hit lap better than I used to, with all this coaching I've been having lately I should do better, right? Well, I have a 5 years old G920, what is your recommendation if you don't mind asking

@chrisrogerssimracing 2 месяца назад

@@salmoprHey, so I started with the G920 wheel and pedals too. They are great to start sim racing with, but I would recommend changing to Thrustmaster TLCM pedals. This is what I upgraded to. They are load cell pedals, and made such a big difference for me. Also, the price is pretty good. In my opinion, the best value for money on load cell pedals. Good luck 😃

@firstjayjay 3 месяца назад

13:13 broke my heart :( and it keeps going 21:32 if you race with rookies you will feel like a rookie at the end..

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Lots of heartbreaking moments in this one 🤣 bizarre thing is, there are no rookies in this race. It was quite a challenge to get the Nords track licence, so everybody in this race was experienced on the track. I guess the adrenaline was pumping and people went crazy haha

@firstjayjay 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing wait what. Omg. I have no words. Thought they were all new to the track. Does the license thing even work than. Jez

@sarahorton9223 3 месяца назад

@@firstjayjay No, the licenses only take what place you finish into account. To get out of rookies you just need to survive and finish 4-6 races. Safety rating has no meaning and is not even a metric used to rate drivers. There is no reason to be safe other than the chance someone will go through all the hoops required to report someone.

@firstjayjay 3 месяца назад

@@sarahorton9223 so still rookies thinking they are world class drivers?

@sarahorton9223 3 месяца назад

@@firstjayjay I think the sim rewards that mindset by having a very forgiving damage model, and LFM rewards it by having a very forgiving safety rating system. Together they make for a type of racer that thinks hitting someone is inconsequential as long as it means getting a higher position.

@imJGott 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I would reporting that m4 at the end. Accident or not, that dude didn’t even downshift and missed the braking point by a mile. AND I’ll report the m4 at the last corner. F that, those folks need to learn with penalties.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I sent reports in for both those incidents. The BMW driver from lap 1 accepted the report and has already apologised profusely. No response from the last lap driver as of yet…

@s3nTer 3 месяца назад

Yeah.. That was awful. Nowdays my time is way too limited to waste time on online races and videos like this just keeps confirming that 😅

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, to get competitive at Nords must take a huge amount of time invested. It’s a big risk when survival chances are so low. It took me a couple of hours just to scrape past the track permit time of 8.38. Not a combo I’ll race regularly either, due to time constraints. But I wanted to try it once. It’ll take a while for the bruises to disappear 🤣

@diegocastro7182 3 месяца назад

3:45 the Aston did not move over the Porsche, He just try to avoid the grass at the right side and Porsche move to the right and crashed him.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I was trying to highlight the change in track width as the cause in my comms… maybe I didn’t communicate it too well. But it’s where the track width changes… if you’re on the inside, all you can do is stay on the inside, as the Aston did. But if you’re in the middle, even if you hold your line, you’re effectively moving over to the right when the track narrows. It’s a horrible section of track, and always causes problems.

@diegocastro7182 3 месяца назад

@chrisrogerssimracing Yes mate, normally troubles starts there, made a snowball and end with massive crash at T1, funny to see not to be there haha

@djuro14 3 месяца назад

Could this be a CR record for the number of words said per minute.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yes, I think I’ve just smashed that record!

@djuro14 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing Probably smashed most CR records.

@colinboone9920 3 месяца назад

LFM and ACC need to rethink their safety rating systems. This is preposterous. There are still plenty of idiots on iRacing, but I don't have nearly as many wipeouts there from careless driving in the A and B classes as I do in LFM.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I think the grid size played just as big a part too. When I saw there were 81 entries, I assumed we’d be divided into 2-3 splits of smaller grids. I knew it was going to be a disaster zone as soon as I realised we were all in the same race!

@erykbins6846 3 месяца назад

The car from 9:06 was in P10 and after he can safely rejoin he end up on P72. Unfortunately BMW from last corners didn't do the same.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I wish I’d realised that as I would have called it out and praised him. Great etiquette and selfless behaviour, to surrender all those positions. Thank you for highlighting that 😃

@itherealykb1317 3 месяца назад

Racecraft is already ultra low on ACC... no way it was going to be a clean race on the Nurburgring lol

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha. With 81 cars hitting T1 at the same time 🤣

@rankisdumb214 3 месяца назад

Everyone who races online should practice starting from last place against 25 AI car Fields! Driving in traffic is completely different than driving with the intent of putting up fast lap times. Every race settles into a pace and from there you have to make your moves. Every race start has openings however if you don't finish the race, it's irrelevant how you start it! You could probably start last. Wait 20 seconds and still pass 20 cars on the first lap as they wreck Infront of you lol

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

You’re absolutely right. Racing in traffic is a totally different challenge, compared to learning the track and hotlapping. There seems to be so many places where you should or shouldn’t pass. Learning all them is a challenge in itself.

@vexboo4250 3 месяца назад

looks like a casual lobby

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

🤣

@CATNOIR_HELLCAT_RACING 3 месяца назад

Nords will teach them kids some patience eventualy :))) but maaaan… ive just saw the 13:19 accident and had code brown from it 😂 anyway… quali is everything here, but it will sort out dont worry. People will give up fast after the bans and SR/ELO lost they will get 👀

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha yeah there were several code browns in there, but that was the biggest one! Even my best lap times here currently aren’t great, around 8.29 or 8.30. So even if I’d qualified, I think I’d still have been right in the firing line for this one. Crazy race, glad I did it and (very nearly) finished 🤣

@CATNOIR_HELLCAT_RACING 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing oh.. try different setups, it holds certain secrets how to go fast :) i suggest Go setups on LFM, really good stuff. Im at 8:13 / 8:17 lap time but code browns happens all the time. Its Nords, it doesnt have the name - Green Hell for nothing :) But to be honest, after 550+ races on LFM i just think 5SR is not enough for Nords. And there is ELO multiplier, so it should be SR as well. Having clean 1hr race with few track limits (not cuts) with 170 turns and gain 0.40SR is just meeh 😀 anyway good luck mate, maybe we will see each other on track one day 🙌🏻

@NinetyTres 3 месяца назад

LOL Can't see anything Oh No !!! Love your shows, this what us normy's deal with on the daily

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha ahh thank you mate, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to get across when I started making videos… to show the reality of sim racing for casual racers in the lower splits.

@Gaso_Meter 3 месяца назад

An important rule: I have to win the race in the first 500 metres, regardless of what happens!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

🤣

@mike605 3 месяца назад

That's what happens when you race with kids. See I'm top split..LOL.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha well I’m definitely not a kid any more…. this race alone has aged me 20 years in one hour 🤣

@snippidippi 3 месяца назад

I think it takes months of practice hours to even be prepared for online race on northschleife

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

After this experience, I’d have to agree. I’ve also discovered that practice is one thing, but race conditions are completely different again. Knowing where is safe to pass, or where isn’t. Holding someone off without making a mistake - exactly like I did near the end. Was quite comfortable lapping on my own, but once I got put under pressure… incredibly tough.

@snippidippi 3 месяца назад

@chrisrogerssimracing ai offline race and safety rating inactive. Then you can crash as much you want and ai will brake where you don't and so on. Putt them on 100% aggressive and they defend as well

@pappyracing 3 месяца назад

Hot lap drivers trying to race! I watch a lot of ACC races the driving is not very good. That last lap was really tough buddy. I just bought this sim I'll give it a try one more bad driver wont matter :) Check out my last F4 race Chris I think you will love it it was a great race with a great ending.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Thank you Bill. Until this past week, I’ve not had much chance to race or to watch videos, so I’m a little behind on your adventures. I’ll be sure to prioritise checking out your new F4 one though! Hope everything is well with you 😃

@pappyracing 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing Thank you buddy it's entertaining 😅

@pappyracing 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing I wanted to let you know if you come to the usa this summer you can stay with us. We have a spare room and a place in Maine I will show you around New England. The invite is open.

@djuro14 3 месяца назад

OH NO! 🤣

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

🤣

@richardsracingmad 3 месяца назад

It’s not racing, it’s Wreckfest

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I love playing a bit of Wreckfest, and this race wouldn’t have looked out of place in that game!

@midnightspecialgt4655 3 месяца назад

I need therapy after that

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha you’re not the only one mate 😵‍💫

@woodcote7617 3 месяца назад

do not think ill be bothering with LFM N24 races then

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I think it would have been far safer with fewer cars. Maybe the 80+ grid would have been better in 2-3 splits. But at least it made a good spectacle for a video!

@jernhoeganonymous9816 3 месяца назад

in my experience the ACC driving standards in low fuel motorsport is the lowest in online simracing

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

It’s a strange one. Generally, I have far more clean races than bad ones in LFM. But when they’re bad, they’re REALLY bad! 🤣

@jernhoeganonymous9816 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing I've had clean races in LFM ACC but i had to sacrifice any hope of being competable.

@empii911 2 месяца назад

Drivers on LFM in GT3 are just absolutely hideous. There should be a much stricter permit, where you HAVE TO drive all lower classes within 102% of a given laptime to understand each classes lines and then - AND ONLY THEN - you should be allowed to drive GT3 cars. We are way faster in a GT2 than 80, more likely 90% of the GT3 drivers on LFM. Yet we get divebombed like crazy because these specialists are not able to understand their car is better on brakes and corner entry and our car is better on exit and topspeed. Even worse is the behaviour of GT3 against GT4 cars. In GT4 our races are WAY harder and closer fought than any GT3 on the Nordschleife on LFM ever was so far. There are literaly just thousands of a seconds per lap between cars, not just in Quali but also in the race. Döttinger Höhe pretty much is the only place a GT4 can overtake another GT4. Then some big-brain in his GT3 comes up and videbombs the hell into the "Kleines Karussell" and ruins an entire lap of working the gap to the car in front. Most of the times it is a GT3 that isn't fighting for anything aswell...

@bobk4438 3 месяца назад

When I called ACC a game I was corrected. It's a simulation! Yeah, okay. I enjoyed the carnage.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha 🤣 it was definitely arcade levels of comedy!

@stevemichael9576 3 месяца назад

Entertaining race. Shame about that troll deliberately ramming you at the end. Report and hopefully he gets banned.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Cheers, yeah a report has gone in so we’ll see what comes of it 😃

@piotrdorabiala4736 3 месяца назад

I mean after racing for couple of months on LFM I must say that it's a joke. The platform and whole game is filled with people who have no idea of race craft. That's why I switched to iRacing, sure you come across idiots there too but people are just much more careful

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

To be fair, I do have lots of clean races in LFM. But when a bad one rolls around, it’s very bad! Also, my rating is pretty low, and it’s very difficult to increase when I only get such limited chances to race. So I’m forever battling in the lowest splits, which doesn’t help.

@amraces 2 месяца назад

Please next time report both of these guys that wasn't serious, like the rejoin was a joke he was better off doing that way earlier even.. And that hit was worse than a public lobby... Not all races on the Nords are like these doe it still is a lot of fun

@chrisrogerssimracing 2 месяца назад

Don’t worry mate, I reported both of them after the race. They both got SR penalties. The first driver who rejoined did at least send me a message afterwards to say how sorry he was for it. I heard nothing from the second driver.

@JoeBlowUK 3 месяца назад

It amazes me how people complain about AI. The AI are better than most drivers in my opinion.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ha yes. You’ll never get an unsafe rejoin or a rage punt from the AI!

@Forest12896 2 месяца назад

i know its another thing on your screen, but enable the track map in your hud. can help you identify where yellow flags are taking place

@chrisrogerssimracing 2 месяца назад

Yeah, great shout. I’ve always kept track maps hidden because I don’t like a cluttered HUD, but recently I’ve found it useful in my early LMU races, so I am strongly considering switching it back on for races like these.

@Savagepaddy 3 месяца назад

Sheeesh 😮😂

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Never a dull moment in my races, Paddy! 🤣

@europer67 3 месяца назад

Demchenko, what a full i@@@@@, how can't people learn the breaking points...

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I know 🤦🏻‍♂️ in a race full of mistakes, that was the biggest one!

@Haulowdann 3 месяца назад

You just can't win in these situations, driving cautiously almost guarantees someone will rear end you, yet gping full chat means you have very little chance of avoiding the inevitable carnage in front of you. A lot of it come down to luck sadly!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Exactly this! I was terrified of lifting anywhere, as I knew it would just end up with me being rammed from behind. Happened a few times in the early corners. There was a bit of a gap behind me at the end of the first lap but, at those speeds, they’d have all been right back on me in an instant if I’d slowed down. And I’d probably have still hit the guy anyway 🤣

@kevinstevens3429 3 месяца назад

lol…Chris it was entertaining, but Nordschleife with a grid of over 80 cars, the percentage chance of finishing that race is extremely low.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Haha I know. To be honest, not qualifying probably helped me survive longer than I did. If I’d qualified, I’d have been in the middle of the T1 pile-up for sure. I was expecting it to be 2-3 splits, so was really surprised when I saw all 80+ entries in the same single split. Terrifying 🤣

@brentweir4651 3 месяца назад

This is the first DLC that doesn't interest me in the least. I don't have the time to learn the track well enough to feel comfortable. I've tried a bit in GT7, but I always think I'm at a certain point of the track, then get caught out being at a different spot. It's too big for this noob!!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

I know exactly what you mean… it happens to me too! You think you know which corner is coming, and you suddenly realise you’re thinking 2-3 corners ahead of yourself. It’s really challenging. I love the track, and I’ve always wanted to do a race video on it, but it’s not one I’ll be entering regularly!

@brentweir4651 3 месяца назад

@@chrisrogerssimracing 💯

@Kevin-iq1xc 3 месяца назад

All the kids wants to be “esports simracers” but nobody has the skills…

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

🤣

@bomtaras1192 3 месяца назад

That was hard 😮 what's wrong with this people 🤔

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

A lot of people got a bit too over-excited! It was complete carnage, but it at least made for a memorable spectacle!

@salmopr 3 месяца назад

dont they sore them ,,, player a here, player b there, player c, yeah those ones , where you think they can go , huh?

@beardalyankovic 3 месяца назад

What a terrible race. The more cars of track, the more stupidity on track. On a brighter note, Plymouth look safe!

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Ahhh I’m still not feeling safe yet! Wednesday winning yesterday was a huge blow. Only 2 points between you and us now, so it could all be flipped upside down come 5pm Saturday! 😬

@beardalyankovic 3 месяца назад

@chrisrogerssimracing final day drama is Birminghams blueprint for the past 10 years. Not beating Rotherham and weds winning has really left us clawing and scratching for points now.

@chrisrogerssimracing 3 месяца назад

Our problem at the moment is scoring. Just can’t see where the goals are coming from. We got really lucky against Leicester by sticking 10 behind the ball for an hour. Stoke destroyed us on Saturday. Two nervy games ahead.

@beardalyankovic 3 месяца назад

@chrisrogerssimracing it's the same with us, if Stansfield doesn't score we don't.