I tried Jura so you don’t have to (MPC Juno Plugin)

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I demo and make synthwave from scratch with the new-ish Jura plugin, which is a Juno-60 emulation plugin for Akai's standalone MPCs.
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@ToyKeeper Год назад

It's cool that this exists. Would be cool to have. OTOH, I've barely scratched the surface of the free plugins, and I feel like I should exhaust those before adding more. I'm also iffy on the whole idea of needing a license or DRM to make it work, so I've avoided the paid add-ons. Thanks for trying it so I don't have to!

@PRODUCEDBYAD Год назад

Gabe you can disable the popup when you use your q link if it gets in the way! Hold down the q link button and a new options menu will appear

@tuckersloughmusic 9 месяцев назад

Thank you!!

@schmiedracing 4 месяца назад

Holy shit... My man 👊

@adilbakhsh4327 11 месяцев назад

It’s not about age it’s about instantly realizing this is the sound I heard in classic 90’s pop music and the years followed on

@TheLexikitty Год назад

Does the world need another Gave Miller video? Always.💞

@ThatBonsaipanda Год назад

There's still a lot of stuff that's really awkward and broken in the MPC App itself (especially on the sequencer side), like you said, and I'm sort of afraid that it will never be fixed and they'll just keep building these plugins etc. It's cool, I guess, but I would've loved to have seen the MPC Live being actually 'Live'. :D Awesome track btw, I'm actually getting inspired over here to mess around more with the MPC (which is just sitting there looking at me very accusationally). Jura is amazeballs but one can hear where they had to cut down on the emulation sound just for performance but it also gives Jura a nice flavor of it's own and I'm really loving some of the patches I came up with it. I requested from the devs that the filter saturation and drive should go up to 'stupid', to REALLY push the character of the synth and not just be subtle spice on top, but they'll probably leave it as is. Is it worth 150 bucks though? That's the big question. I feel like 50 would be in the actual realm. Also, you mentioned the 'hands-on' problem with software synths and I've been thinking about how amazing it would be to have some MIDI controller like SoundForce SFC-60 to edit what you see on the screen. It could also be possible to build a dedicated Raspberry Pi setup where one could switch the virtual control interface but still have a physical knobs and sliders. : P

@remyvegamedia Год назад

The sequencer issues are some of the main reasons I returned my MPC One and, unless they drastically change it, why I'll never go back to MPC. I had a 2000XL from 2007-2012 so I was hyped to get into it, until I actually used it. Haha. It's pretty absurd they're devoted so much to these plugins while neglecting functionality issues. Their rhodes/piano plugins are not top quality. Pretty sure they're a single sample layer. You can find much better sample instruments and synths than "Akai" has to offer without being trapped in their ecosystem.

@tom-541 Год назад

@@remyvegamedia They're not a single sample layer - I think they're something like 8 or 12. You have chosen a hard or soft preset, because you can change from real / hard / soft in the instrument edit.

@ambidex 10 месяцев назад

Can you share some of sequencer issues? I'm new to the MPC workflow but am trying to go [mostly] Daw-less (as in not using a computer). Having additional instrument Plugins for my MPC Live excites me a lot, but I'm not committed to the workflow yet. I was so disappointed to learn that the newer MPC systems don't use sysex at all (!!) My midi needs are pretty specific since I have a JD-Xi that I want to be able to take full advantage of without menu diving. I downloaded the demo to Jura last night and got sucked in for a few hours. It sounded pretty good to me. I'm no expert on the Juno but it's at least in the ballpark to me, and occupying similar space is my main need.

@ThatBonsaipanda 10 месяцев назад

@@ambidex If you work in-the-box, everything's more or less dandy, but if you want to control the MPC from an external sequencer, you're entering a world of hurt. The internal sequencer is a bit antiquated as it was just designed for 'making beats', as in it works fine for one song per project and not doing anything super complicated, it was just meant to record your finger drumming and that's about it. But if you want to sequence something more complicated, say a full live show, you'll have to start hopping through hoops as the sequencer doesn't really lend itself to switching stuff live automatically. Even muting stuff is really awkward as you have to be on the page where it happens if you want it synced to the tempo etc. Stuff gets really icky if you want to use external sequencer. The multimode that the MPC currently has is more of a hack on top of the original sequencer instead of an actual implementation. Yes, you can trigger multiple instruments on multiple tracks at the same time, but once you send a Note OFF message, it goes to all channels - so you get this cacophony of different tracks cutting each other off. They are working on all these issues and in time the whole workflow will be glorious, but as an MPC Live owner since 2018, I've been waiting for those magical fixes for a while now and it doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. __ For full SYSEX control and multiple synth live performance, I would probably look at the Hapax sequencer or Deluge, but even those bring new challenges and limitations.

@ambidex 9 месяцев назад

@@ThatBonsaipanda thanks. I'm learning how abysmal the sequencing is with other hardware unfortunately. I'm trying very hard to stay Dawless (in the sense of not on a PC) and really hoped this MPC live would save me. I'm stubborn though and will still see what I can accomplish. I love CME's MIDI products and they've recently launched some great MIDI filtering and mapping solutions. The cheapest is available in the U2Midi Pro and the U6Midi Pro is more robust. They allow you to block a lot of data from getting passed in certain directions. This might help a bit... hopefully. Regardling Hapax or Deluge, I"m such a cheapskate those aren't even near my realm of access. I do however have an old Yamaha QX5fd with a Flash drive floppy emulator. It might be able to accomplish some of this (in a very arcane way).

@ursullavandenbord2322 Год назад

GReat video. Just bought it for my MPC KEY 61. I LOVE this keyboard !!!

@johnsuggs7828 Год назад

25 years old? I feel really old now. Thanks I remember when the original Juno 6 was released. Early 80s I believe. I was a teen ager

@paulkilleen2914 Год назад

Another informative unbiased review. That velvet voice, polished presentation and editing makes your posts so watchable. You may b 25 years old but your synth history and knowledge makes you a machine in producing sounds, riffs and compositions as though you have grown through and with the synths since the 70s. Keep up your wonderful posts. 👍👏👏👏👏

@ipainthouses3084 6 месяцев назад

This is what i needed. I have jura but i have no knowledge how a synthesizer works. Im just 4 min and learned what tge sync/resync does , hope you explain more in this video what the interface does.

@YanivhmTube Год назад

Thank you for your video! I also got it for 79$. Don't think it's worth more then that, overall as you said it sound nice for an old simple vintage synth emulation. Second reason for getting it was the polyphony. 8 voices are nice to have for standalone synth. I didn't get the moog emulition for the same reson ( 4 voice for software emulation is not worth paying for )

@famosguider205 Год назад

After purchasing the Jura and playing with it, I bought the mini d and love it!

@tylergardner9918 Год назад

But the moog is a mono synth

@mystertom100 7 месяцев назад

@@famosguider205 What's more worth it, mini d or jura?

@famosguider205 7 месяцев назад

@@mystertom100 Start with the Jura then grab the Mini D. That’s how I started. They’re both different and compliment each other in projects. Good luck and have fun!

@ambidex 10 месяцев назад

Helpful video Gabe. I always appreciate your content even though you come from a very different type of experience. Btw, we did know back then that many sounds that were trying to emulate physical instruments, such as brass, didn't sound like what they were aiming at, especially outside of FM. Imho, It really wasn't until the early Rompler days of the late 80s that things sounded remotely accurate. Other forms of sound generation have intruded since then, and waveform utililization helped a ton with accuracy in synthesis. Not that any of that matters at this point. Thanks for the vid!

@justjoeblow420 Год назад

Honestly as some one who's synth focused the more I talk to modern MPC owner the more I'm glad I ended up going for a second hand MC-707 over the MPC One. I'm more synth focused than the MPC line is out of the box, and then there's all the issues I keep hearing about the MPC line up all the time more and more. At least my MC-707 I can count on one hand how many times it's crashed on me in nearly 6 months of fairly frequent and heavy use, 3 times only 3 times and one of those was trigger by power issues from a brownout. Honestly I'm kind of annoyed that the new MPC line has so many issues when I dealt with an older model several years ago it was a lovely experience when I had it on lone from some one else.

@remyvegamedia Год назад

Yeah, MPC continues to go downhill on the organization and orderliness of their software. Meanwhile they're producing underwhelming, overpriced plugins. I had an MPC 2000XL from 2007-2013. I got an MPC One last year and I was completely unimpressed with the fact that they didn't upgrade the SLOWEST and most unintuitive aspects of the original MPC "workflow" and just added a bunch of bells and whistles on top of that method. They tried to blend DAW insert FX and piano roll with an outdated sequencing interface. I really do think this happened as a result of "Akai" (InMusic) pushing out Roger Linn. I'd get almost anything before a modern MPC after a year plus of trying the Akai Force, MPC One, then trying MPC software with a controller, and using my friend's MPC One AGAIN haha.

@80iesDude45 Год назад

I had the Juno-6, Juno-60 and then two of the 106. All broke. Now I use the TAL-U-No-LX which is amazing ;-)

@CentaurusRelax314 Год назад

Nice. Thanks for this 'run-down.' I have a hard time paying this much money for something like this, because i'm not a hardcore user of the MPC. As an 'occasional/hobbyist,' it feels very 'aggressive' of Akai. I understand that developing new features costs money. However, some companies do that as a means of continually building its customer base by enticing new buyers with the larger feature sets. A 'simple' synth like this could have been a free upgrade-like a company like Kemper provides its base. If not free, i would suggest that selling it for $39 might attract many times more buyers than even at a $79 occasional sale price. Personally, i could jump at < $40 as an impulse, even if i weren't sure i was going to rely on it, but at above that price, i need to know i'm going to use the thing. And it's not really about *having* the money. I can afford it either way. But, there is a definite mental barrier that all consumers have and i kinda think Akai is missing an opportunity by pricing a large number of users out of their 'add-ons.'

@robinr22 Год назад

My guess is that they'll have a sale at some point and really cut the price for a bit - that way, they still get all the full price sales from everyone who'll pay that and still cash in with the price conscious at a later date.

@micindir4213 11 месяцев назад

I think airmusic tech I German company that creates these plug-ins, while akai pro is ... idk which country dev team is based, but they're separate. I would imagine akai dev team just driving 2005 Ford focuses while hating every minute of their job, while air guys all blinging to the job on their teslas and lambos to give us new plug-ins (or they just ride the bus / bike / walk as most germans do). So one team is productive and generates income , and not being communist I'm sure at least part of the revenue goes back as bonuses etc. While akai firmware team has no means of generating income but have 100x more work to do.

@manatee_flips6811 Год назад

As a standalone user, I love the "Juro", and I own a Juno 60. Thanks for the video....

@eaziweb6068 Год назад

Thanks for this demo. I bought this wonderful plugin

@aoterou Год назад

I also bought it for 79 usd, and still think it’s expensive, I can’t believe the Moog Model 15 iPad (and iPhone I think) app is just 20 usd and the analogue emulation is light years ahead of the Jura, I know the synth engines are way different but honestly many if not most of the patches on jura sound very similar to those on the other mpc plug ins like hybrid and hype, even the Mini D.

@6581punk 6 месяцев назад

Install base for an iPad and iPhone is much bigger. This plugin can be used on PC/Mac as well as the MPCs.

@MattDvc 6 месяцев назад

Jura is my guilty pleasure. 😅

@BIG1TOWER 11 месяцев назад

There are pros and cons to every music gear. Im not the biggest fan of the Mpc work flow but this thing is powerful and jura is my favorite plugin on the Mpc. I tried other groove-box like the circuits but returned due it being so limited and the sound engine was not my cup of tea. You can make some great music on the Mpc plus you can you any sound you want with key groups.

@jared9977 2 месяца назад

Jura sounds way better in person. Tons of presets that get things going.

@TheInternetIsDeadToMe Год назад

Yo Gabe. You’re the best gear channel.

@matthewgaines10 Год назад

I don’t know why some buys something they deem unnecessary or obsolete. It isn’t for you if feel that way. It’s a synthesizer. It synthesizes sounds, new and old. Those who were on the fence have already has several demonstrations from other content creators to help them decide. This video is weeks too late.

@johnnytrash2839 9 дней назад

Stranger Things era 🔥

@avace917 2 месяца назад

Luckily, I used the free voucher that came with my MPC One Plus to buy this. Amazing

@SticksAandstonesBozo Год назад

Jura on the force using a nice keyboard controller ……. Changes things a bit.

@aneveningwithebola2727 Год назад

At full price, it costs about as much as Roland's own Juno plugin, if I have my facts straight. Guess it just depends how badly you need a Juno emulation on your MPC. Doesn't sound bad at least.

@originaljungle Год назад

getting them close encounters of the jura sound kinda vibes

@vergellim7361 Год назад

I have this plug-in and one of my favorite stand-alone. I didn't have any problem with activation from the other plug-ins until I purchase the fabric xl 2 weeks ago. And I hope they fix their Fabric xl because mine has a delay every time I press the pads. Nice song by the way

@incaroads001 Год назад

Yeah I'm with you Gabe. In the next firmware update they should make that q control fly out semi-transparent. It has a tendency to cover up too much important stuff.

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

That would be nice. According to another comment, you can straight up turn it off

@Justinsplace 10 месяцев назад

@@GabeMillerMusicyep

@MrPiratebrain Год назад

You did a great job. I used to have a juno and it sounds close.

@davidcache Год назад

Jura is probably my favorite Juno plugin, and that's saying something. It's too bad inmucisbrands is terrible

@SamuMusical-Aprendatocar 5 месяцев назад

i tried to install it on my akai force but a cant

@alfiedotwtf Год назад

I've been getting "license status: 8" error for the past few hours. I can't believe you can't trial it because you have to pay, and then you pay and you can't download it! wtf

@unclemick-synths Год назад

Great review 👍. I doubt I'd pay full price but it's clearly a nice sounding plugin. If nothing else it's making me interested in the Boutique! I rarely use the plugins on my One but this I could imagine using. Funny how there's a compulsion to include that chorus noise - even Roland include it in their AE-30 wind synth! I'm not averse to adding a touch of pre-VCF noise and maybe in the real Juno that particular noise has a nice character but I'd rather sacrifice my signal to noise ratio with a cool buzzy guitar amp!

@amconsole Год назад

I was hoping this would reaffirm that I don’t need it, not at the price Akai is asking, but oh boy, it does sound convincing.

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

Yeah I'm not sure if it's worth full price, but I have had a lot of fun with it

@vergellim7361 Год назад

Actually, it sounds good but I got mine for $79

@amconsole Год назад

@@vergellim7361 I have a VST Juno already (by Arturia), so this is hard to justify even at $79. But I’d love the convenience of having it on the MPC instead of hooking it up to the computer, syncing midi and taking up I/O (that could itherwise be used for a hardware synth).

@vergellim7361 Год назад

@@amconsole yeah. I meant for the standalone but if you have the Juno vst the other option is you can sample it.

@PSD1988 Год назад

You make great music on MPC One. I've seen some beatmaking videos on youtube but your music sounds like master class. I can finally see what the equipment has to offer. Can you show some more of your music, whole projects on akai?

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

Thanks! I've done quite a few MPC One videos: ru-vid.com/group/PLcJeAPW0R_1f8UCzeB___Uf3lxwnV96gS Not all of them have great music, but will hopefully be helpful, and quite a few of them have music I turned into full songs and released. I've also done stuff on the Akai Force, which has the same sound engines: ru-vid.com/group/PLcJeAPW0R_1csD_1O5wRIiO883o9r6F6p

@PSD1988 Год назад

thank you very much, I'm watching and waiting for a new red beast with a plus that will come to me in a few days 😊

@Mopantsu Год назад

Just purchased an MPC key 61. I was working on an idea last night and got quite far into it without saving the project. As I am getting to a workable stage BOOM! Screen goes blank. System reboots. All work lost and I could not remember what I did to recreate it from scratch. Not impressed. It should have an auto save feature by default. It should NOT crash at all though! Major bug if you are working in a professional capacity let alone for me as an amateur. They need to forget features and fix the damned bugs FIRST!

@matthewgaines10 Год назад

You should never depend on any hardware or software unsaved. Save often. Backup files often. I save my work after every change I make. 100% worth it in my book. I back up my projects across MPCs and computers occasionally. If you got pretty far into a project without saving, I don’t know what to say. You live dangerously. You should read the manual. MPCs have auto save. It slows up the interface so I keep it off and save after entering a recording or after a change. I would prefer to control where my projects save. I know when I did something important to document and when I’m just messing around.

@richieknight5423 Год назад

Warranty is there for a reason.........always remember that.

@SethWeisfeld 5 месяцев назад

You can enable autosave and set how many mins between saves. It’s in the device settings.

@Mofonghosst Год назад

Mine will NOT load to my MPC one at all. Keep getting an error

@alfiedotwtf Год назад

3 weeks after your comment, are you still getting the error or is it working now? I bought Mini D 3 hours ago and I keep getting an error??

@6581punk 6 месяцев назад

I had to wait until next day to activate. Almost like they update something overnight.

@CHANNELAPOLLO 11 месяцев назад

How did you install it without internet connection ? Thanks

@GabeMillerMusic 11 месяцев назад

I connected my MPC One to the Internet via its Ethernet port. There might be a way to do the installation without Internet at all, but I'm not sure.

@AutisticCuriosity Год назад

WARNING! Akai requires you to log into their server to EVER 90 Days - if you don’t connect Akai will permanently DISABLE the Jura plug in till you do. That is their policy to stop privacy that they don’t inform you of!!

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

Where did you find this info? I wouldn't necessarily put it past Akai, but that wasn't my experience with the previous batch of paid plugins.

@richieknight5423 Год назад

bullsh£t

@TheMicromoment 3 месяца назад

What are you doing during those 90 days that you don’t have internet? 🤔 My MPC haven’t ever been disconnected from net for a single moment so far, why?

@ipainthouses3084 6 месяцев назад

Anybody knows a good video that explains how a synthesizer works for a beginner ?

@sansmojo Год назад

I'm new to MPC (just got a Live II) and I had a similar issue with activation when doing the trial. Most of my week trial, I couldn't get the thing to activate and I couldn't use it. The interface showed both that I was logged in and that I wasn't. I rebooted dozens of times and it very rarely would work for a while. It was actually worse on the desktop software and I never got it to work there at all. I created a support issue 2 weeks ago and never got a response. So, yeah, I won't be buying any plugins because it's apparently not even a guarantee that I'll be able to use it when I want it.

@alfiedotwtf Год назад

Did you eventually get it to work? I bought it a few hours ago and I can't install it, with an error "license status: 8" :(

@sansmojo Год назад

@alfiedotwtf No, I gave up and let the trial end. I bought several synth keygroups instead, even though I'd rather have more built-in synths. Sorry you're dealing with that. I hope that you can get it working.

@AlekseiDroganov Год назад

What Akai devices are Already with Jura and other new plugins?😊

@AutisticCuriosity Год назад

DayNon you have to rent use of Jura - if you don’t login every 90 to server they disable it

@podcastdude 6 месяцев назад

The MPC Key 61. And it does not have to log in every 90 seconds; if yours is doing that then you have a setting wrong.

@DanielIvan707 5 месяцев назад

Are we really supposed to believe these underpowered MPC’s can process stems stand-alone in a reasonable amount of time?

@thecreepysilence4290 Месяц назад

I think the MPC has more power than you think. Its all about how to use it

@King-oj8hr 22 дня назад

You had all the time to come back to delet this

@agustinbernal2760 Год назад

Hi, how would this compare to the Roland boutique synth??

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

I think the main differences would be: - Voices: the Roland boutique has 6, as far as I know Jura can go up to 8 - Hands on: the boutique feels much more tactile - Convenience: If you use the MPC all the time, the plugin is much more convenient - Models: the boutique can model either a Juno-60 or Juno-106, the plugin is only modelled after the Juno-60

@MrScrooge1980 Год назад

@@GabeMillerMusicthe Roland Cloud is top tier!

@nexussinclaire9246 Год назад

can you load this into akai force?

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

Yes, I believe so

@Noise-Conductor Год назад

I did.

@avace917 Год назад

I know this track. You made something similar with the Arturia Jupiter 8V

@GabeMillerMusic Год назад

Yep! I figured it was the perfect track for testing out Jura

@avace917 9 месяцев назад

@@GabeMillerMusic it definitely worked

@avace917 8 месяцев назад

Even without drums it sounds great

@sadakojh Год назад

were you playing blade runner?

@johnsuggs7828 Год назад

I already have: *(1)* TAL-U-No-LX - *Free* *(2)* Arturia Jun-6 V (included in the V-Collection) - *599.99* *(3)* Cherry Audio DCO-106 - *25.00* *(4)* Softube Model 84 - *79.00* There's zero chance of me doing 149.00 for this one

@MrScrooge1980 Год назад

Roland Cloud Juno is the top dog!

@johnsuggs7828 Год назад

@@MrScrooge1980 it is really good. I'm not a fan of subscriptions

@ickebins6948 8 месяцев назад

150 Bucks for this is a crime... I'm sorry.

@TeddyBaas 11 месяцев назад

29.99 not a cent more. They are smoking crack for posting that price. TAL has one of the best Juno emulations out and its 1/3 of what they are asking. Crap like this is why I will probably never buy anything from that company, plenty of options out there these days so you try to rip off your customer base they can easily go somewhere else.

@hostilesavage4299 9 месяцев назад

Jura is better than that TAL crap...

@tombaonline4829 9 месяцев назад

Here’s the thing It’s about “in the box” and honestly it’s pretty darn good at it

@avace917 8 месяцев назад

I see where you're coming from but the fact that you have a pretty good emulation right there at all times in a MPC is pretty kickass to me. I think it's worth it but I also respect your perspective

@tombaonline4829 8 месяцев назад

I’m even contemplating the op4 and strings now

@jenslempke7501 7 месяцев назад

Jura is really top notch. In dynamics, depth, puchiness. What is better with the TAL-emulation in your ears? I also of course respect your point of view, but I just love Jura. Now updated yesterday too. I got it for a bargain price though.