Can A New Player Became Great At Yugioh? 

FUCKING FACT'S!

So when are you gonna put him up against Mystic Mine 👀

i don't hate maxx C shifter is worse :)

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History of yugioh season 2 but with Rarran instead of MBT? :p

Like a true Yugioh player

IDK why people don't like going second; the comeback approach in YGO is fucking orgasmic. Seriouslly, there is nothing like testing and prodding your opponent's board and CRUSHING them by managing your resources better.

sure sometimes you can't do shit, but that's the same as every card game...

@@REDDAWNprojectthat’s only if you are good enough to do it lol

@@REDDAWNproject because of the all or nothing nature of it. breaking a board sometimes is just impossible unless you draw the god hand

I thought Maxx C is banned, how could he play 2 copies of it ? :D

@@giulsen2028 Master Duel has a separate Ban List from the TCG

Man I hope they unban Maxx c

​@@DANCERcow you shut your mouth

@@DANCERcow im with ya. unban maxx C, just for the chaos.

The weird thing is that if Komoney took the Hearthstone approach of using simplified game states for new players and getting a strong competitive deck at the start (the Swordsoul event is a great start), they can make the new player experience much better.

Tbh, as someone who's inside the game, it feels like the community gets defensive when I say it as well. It's the elitist mindset IMO, same as league. If someone who's not max rank or well-known in the community as a good player says this stuff, the community just gets extremely defensive and contradicts points (not all the time, and maybe not even the majority, but enough to the point that it's problematic). A new player can easily spot problems, especially if they're experienced with card games.

As a yugioh player i will nooot read all of this and give you the priority

To be fair I think most people did not have a problem with his points only his conclusion.

Every card game has a sell by date before it goes stale and gets powercrept into nonsense. Yugioh didn't just get stale, it got moldy, and at this point there's like 3 layers of mold and whatever was there originally isn't there anymore. Like for real, you're paying hundreds/thousands of dollars, and memorizing short stories for every card in your deck, all so you basically can decide the most complicated coin flip ever. It's honestly kinda sad, because there's really no way to go back from it.

HONEST TO GOD THAT'S THE DOPAMINE RIGHT THERE Like trying to solve a puzzle and figuring it out

True. Honestly, most players probably just scoop if the opponent is popping off but they don't have an out. I mean, a lot of Ramen's opponents did. I suppose that's the secret technique that helps the going second experience, quitting if you've got no plan lol

Gotta destroy your opponents sandcastle at the beach

That's why I play CyDra

breaking boards with swordsoul going second is so fun, i hope rarran experience that bliss 😌

Lmao you described me perfectly watching this. Love your vids btw

@@Honest_Mids_Masher Hey thanks!

kinda confused how it took like an hour to understand normal summon mo ye reveal a wyrm in hand when like 90% of your deck is wyrms ??? don't know what that was about but valiant effort

I wanted to play a reptile deck but they dont have any support for it still :/

​@@kindklan8020 what if you dont draw moye? have you thought of that?

​@@sagii1372yeah kinda like trying to learn how to play madolche but you only know the angelly line. what about when you dont open angelly? one of the hardest things to do in yugioh is learning a deck from scratch, it can take WEEKS for you to figure out some "secret" lines. because its easy to learn 1-2 card combos, but you also need to learn how to use your entire hand at maximum efficiency, and that... can be really tough.

I've heard ogduatics are fun.

And it's funnier in hindsight that Maxx C was MADE by the TCG division and ?embraced? by the OCG

​​@@Gravitysonic0 99.9% yugioh cards and directions are came from Japan's devision, with some exceptions like warrock, konami eu and na aren't as independent as you think they are they are still rigid and have to follow konami japan direction, take my words as a reality check, they released maxx c or what we call suru G here, because they think that's what the tcg players wants.

@@r3zaful lol so Konami JP actually made the mistake of Maxx C and is too dumb to correct it. They also created the combo situation that required maxx c too... Almost like they got no clue how to balance their game and have been doing worse without Upper Decks help so it would be better if the TCG got away from the bad ocg rules.

They also design entire decks around it. Some of the more recent meta decks either don't summon much, can end their combo while still putting up interruptions, or play on the opponents turn. So when Konami wants a deck to be good in the OCG they make it play very well under Maxx C. Sometimes though it doesn't translate very well into the TCG because the amount of special summons a deck does are irrelevant there (unless if Nibiru) because of Maxx C being banned so the deck isn't as strong as it is in the OCG at times.

maybe that's why both their new banlists are terrible

- Link is the easiest Extra Deck mechanic. - Very straightforward lines, even more streamlined than Swordsoul. - If you exclude the Nibiru token, all he has to deal are Cyberse/Effect/FIRE monsters, unlike Wyrm lock (vs Baronne) / Tenyi lock (Shaman) and other niche scenarios that can be frustrating. - The intermediate combo of Accesscode is way easier compared to Baxia/Yazi lines. If Josh (salad lover) swapped with Farfa he would have the same results because it's one person giving you the advice instead of a thousand different points of view at the same time.

@@babrad yeah but you have to know in-depth combo lines for good boards where Swordsoul summons moye, add longyuan and you have a monster and an omni.

@@babradokay but you’re still wrong salad is a bad first player deck lol

@@looneyloonatic I disagree. I introduced the game to a lot of new players with the salad structure deck back in 2019, when before that I did that with the Dino one. My argument is that it's not about the deck, but having a proper guide. Chat of 1000+ people doesn't have the focus one person would have

I think he had a Dragonmaid deck before switching to Salads, I guess chat thought it was easier to make a meta Salad deck than a meta Dragonmaid deck.

You mean dumbed down. There has to be one game that stands out compared to the others in Complexity. Dark Souls is that for Open World RPG's and Yu-Gi-Oh is the Dark Souls equivalent for Card Games

​@kaimobley5324 Gotta disagree with you that Yugioh is the dark souls of card games. Yugioh is a complicated game, but many of the interactions/combos are predetermined, flashy af but still almost always end at the same state. A more accurate description is its the Steet fighter or Mortal Kombat of card games. High octane action that ends in a pretty short explosion depending on who can get their well practiced hit in first. To me magic is a more complex game, where sure you have practiced lines but you can deviate in numerous directions. That makes the slow burn a bit more Dark Soulsy to me. That said neither are better or worse. Just different.

Nice 😮

@@joshprice4855 I 100% agree that YGO more like a fighting game than a board game like MTG. But i disagree about complexity specifically due to the fact of how Chain Links VS Stack works making YGO way more punishing, in addition to the overload of information, pressure for timely response and worse game design (lack of keywords, situational rulings) when we compare the Advanced Formats. I know it's anecdotal evidence but just like Elden Ring made me breeze through Hogwards Legacy (to the point of installing "Harder" mods), i felt the exact same when i picked up MTG and after a week i was undefeated for 2 months in my locals with Glissa the Traitor a decade+ ago to the point it felt boring and i stopped playing. BTW this is not bashing MTG as a simple game, but more like YGO is tooooo complex for no reason (i mainly blame bad design) to the point of becoming an overall better player.

​@@babradIt's like a fighting game where you roll a dice to see which of your buttons are locked for the first 20s, if any. I still hate that his game doesn't have a mulligan 25 years later.

and the final realisation that :" wait a minute, this maxx c card sucks" hahahahahaha

@@eligiobuscema6829 The realization every yugioh player has to go through at one point in their lives, really.

The same goes for RTS, the knowledge gap between a newbie and a veteran is so absolutely massive that's almost unbridgeable, and as more and more content is released and the game become more and more complicated, that gap has only ever widen. You're basically running a marathon with people that have a 25 years headstart.

As a fighting game player this is completely untrue, because fighting games have skill based matchmaking. And pair you up against people who are playing about the same way you are. Yugioh might have some kind of mmr system, but the gap between a complete beginner and someone who knows how to play the game but is bad, is still horrifically massive, making it still a bad experience regardless of how bad the other person is.

Maybe if you play a new game with a lot of players, but youre going to have a bad time as a beginner going into any fighting game with a smaller playerbase or that is older than a couple of months. Like just try playing under night in-birth 2 as a beginner. @@vgcatharsis9480

If so, YuGiOh is BlazBlue Central Fiction.

​@@vgcatharsis9480you're not going to win a match against someone who consistently in the top 32 evo, but you might win against someone like ltg, tmm or koeficient if you are decent at the game. Yugioh is the exact same thing, you might win a round or two against josh or tasuku but winning against them in match is straight up unlikely even if you have a decent knowledge of how the game works, but against cimoo, farfa or amakudari(jp) you can win even if they play their main archetype(treat this as character like tmm with kazuya, farfa with burning abyss) because they are decent enough to play the game, but don't have the necessary fundamental to win more games.

Yeah I really don’t understand people who think synchros is a hard mechanic I’m an idiot who picked up this game 4-5 months ago and I think my only real mistake with the synchro mechanic was wondering why u couldn’t synchro my 2 level 4 monsters They were both tuners and I ramped there levels up using card effects to get monster abilities abd u fucked my brain over dince it associated turners with low level monsters

I still prefer Maxx C being in the game to the alternative of going 2nd being an auto loss.

So excited to see ram ranch try out my game.

He’s a content creator and these videos get boat loads of views. He’d be foolish not to.

Master Duel is not OCG format, it's mainly it's own format because of different banlist philosophy and card release date. But yeah, Maxx C should be banned or errated and probably 95% of player base thinks the same. Shame what Konami don't play it's own game

@@mopsik56 Tbf there are some rule differences in how TCG and OCG format is executed; mainly when it revolves around public and private information and how chaining works (I mean I guess it makes sense considering it's a video game and slowing the game down to let you build your own chains even while they would be simultaneous makes sense). So iirc Master Duel does use the OCG more in than the TCG format in that sense as well.

​@@mopsik56master duel is using ocg rulings and they will never answer any rulings questions and bugs in English, yes they will ignore every single English complaints as you can see in farfa's video, that's a testament that master duel is pretty much an ocg based not tcg lmao.

​@@r3zafulSo basically I gotta learn Japanese? Damn I never thought not learning a second language would actually come back to bite me.

I mean no other card game gets close to Yugioh when it comes to potential combos either. Famously Blue Blooded Oni FTK had a 90 step combo (this is the basic one, the complex ones with weaker hands can be over 200 steps I think?) that took like 40 minutes to execute at fast play pace

​@@mooncalf_4534 jesus 200 steps? That shit is crazy

I wana pull off Playmaker’s BS combos lol, that’s the whole reason I am building Cyberse Link deck.

​@@lordgrub12345Some of the vailantz, DDD and Ritual Beast lines can easily take that amount of steps

​@@mooncalf_4534"Oni for Oni" god that history of Yu-Gi-Oh episode was abysmal lmao. And let's not forget about Gishki FTK. That combo takes just as long.

It did not. What redeemed him is he admited in his previos video that he was not actually trying to play or learn and applogising for how bad that vid was

@@mrbubbles6468 I don't think he owed an apology, most of the criticism in the last video was valid at the end of the day, I wouldn't call it a bad video, because realistically that's what the new player experience will be for a lot of people.

While the fighting game analogy is very good, and used by multiple people in the community, I think the reason you don't get yugioh is not necessarily because you watched too little or because the game is complicated but because you watched the wrong videos. Rarran's videos (especially the first one. Good god that one was terrible) are not very informative. If you wanna learn more about yugioh, there are content creators who have made videos and entire series specifically for that.

@@lordgrub12345 While they weren't very informative on how the game is played, it still showcased a bit how the game is experienced and as I said previously, it's not something that gets my attention. From my perspective, combo decks are cool and feel unique im general and it's why they attract people. Especially in more normal card games like Hearthstone where other archtypes exist. When everhthing is a combo deck(I might be wrong, but that's the impression I got from the yugioh videos) it loses its magic and appeal for me. It's a bit funny cause right now I'm trying to learn a combo deck in Flesh and Blood, which is around the hero Kano. But as I said in my comment, after this video I can understand a bit the appeal of yugioh and why people are attracted to it and that I won't have an unfair negative opinion of it anymore becoming more of a difference in preferences

@@LegendOfRoGamers oh yeah I totally understand that you don't find the game interesting. I get that it isn't everyones cup of tea, but the videos rarran made aren't very good at informing, even the basics. This one is definitely better in that regard but it still is very lacking in that department. Also, about every deck being a combo deck, that isn't necessarily right. There are many decks that don't combo (Control decks like sky striker, Labrynth and umi for example) and other decks that learn much more into the combo aspect of the game then others (synchrons, cyberse, mathmech, dark world etc.), but yeah, overall most decks have some sort if combo-like style.

One thing about yugioh is that it is totally made for tryharders who love COMPLEX SHIT. Like, it looks like that every deck is a combo deck, and thats pretty much how It feels up until diamond. because past that the game actually opens up a lot in skill gap and diversity of plays. Going second aint as terrible as it looks, the real issue about going second is that ITS ANOTHER LEARNING CURVE YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH. Playing to disrupt and deal with your opponents board is where the real complexity of the game kicks in. Basically to play any deck in yugioh at higher levels you need to: learn your cards then learn some lines then you get used to modify those lines a little bit then you learn more complicated lines then you learn how to use your cards to improvise lines at a mere sight then you're ready to play going second with confidence then you learn the matchups and the shit just goes on. and im not even taking deck building, meta call and side decking into account because thats a whole different beast. yugioh is really nuts on how difficult it can be to become GOOD at any deck, but for the people who loves this kind of challenge its the reason why its their favorite tcg

@@PamellaCardoso-pp5tr I mean if you wanna get good at a game then of course you have to learn a lot of skills. That applies to every game, not just Yu-Gi-Oh. Card games like Hearthstone are just very simple. Magic is an example of a complex TCG (although generally not as complex as Yu-Gi-Oh). Yu-Gi-Oh is basically the Tekken of card games. It is REAAAAALLY confusing and hard to Master but that just comes with learning experience and after a bit you'll be able to master the basics and with the right Fighter (or in this case deck) that is enough to get you some wins.

Explain more. I miss the 1 monster a turn steady increase of power. I stopped playing a little after elemental heroes were released.

@@GalavantmanIt is a short event where you can only use old school cards.

Hoping that they'll at least consider the idea of making this a long term thing. I actually like modern YuGiOh to some degree, but every now and again I just want that old school experience.

@@RaidZerohThat's what everyone is hoping for. It wouldn't cost them anything ether.

​@@RaidZeroh play goat simulators. The mode in master duel is garbage. It is so rng dependent and boring. I genuinely had some gamestates were I had to wait for my opponent to get the out because he had a zero attack relinquished with another relinquished atached to it. It was insufferable.

It's not like the playerbase isn't complaining about some of the things Rarran mentioned, the issue was always the overexaggeration on things he obviously didn't know/understand

i find it funny when someone complains that konami ruined the game made by takahashi while takahashi was still involved with them

The chat during his Yugioh sessions has been horrible so far. Lots of bad advice and nothing to help him understand the game better. Literally only mediocre backseat gaming.

@@ObviouslyDeven Yeah the worst part is he had actual good players and yugitubers in chat but couldnt really distinguish them from randos

@@Yusodus whoever recommended salamangreat as a starter should've been banned for lifetime

I do rather have a 6-7 turn duels than having a war of attrition with snake eyes players, I'm not going to make it.

L take, the sneyes attrition wars are amazing, way more fun than Superheavy Spamurai.@@r3zaful

@@r3zaful Although attrition war against snake eyes is pretty much decided by the timer than anything else...

IMO problem with HS (I played til Saviors of Uldum for context) is that eventually it's all just playing on curve, there are very few moments were you can have the sort of interactions that happen in YGO like making your opponent's cards whiff by chaining another card. Also wish HS had more crazy concepts like Spell Only Hunter or Highlander, YGO has wacky stuff like alternate win conditions, playing with no cards in hand, milling, locking zones, etc (mostly in the past tho, most decks now just build boards of negates).

Had the same experience with the Pokemon TCG, it's a way fairer & easier game to understand, but it was boring after a while because I'm used to Yu-Gi-Oh's awfulness (& sometimes it's actual good moments)

He is a true gamer. I just subscribed to him for the first time.

Dragon ball fighters Z would probably be a good analogy lightning fast, few interaction points and flashy as all hell

"so EU, US, South America" That slander against Mexico, Canada and every european country that's not in the EU though.

You can, there's nothing stopping you other than your own will

Lack of devices that I can play the game on. So I am stuck in Purgatory (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Competitive scene is completely fine. Sure there are bad metas, but every other card game has bad metas as well. Good players can actually play good games, but it's easy to just say that going 2nd is auto lose (which Rarran also did during his massive rant and in this video he actually goes back on that).

I unironically think YGO is the fastest card game that I have ever played, though I admit I have huge biases since I don't spend a ton of hours in other card games besides YGO and Vanguard. For example, if my opponent normal summon Mo Ye, I'll look into my hand and see if I can stop or deal with at least Chixiao, Baronne, and Blackout. If I can't, then I will not wait and move on to the next game. I'm not saying whether it's a good or bad thing about YGO. I just want to share why I feel it's fast despite 5-minute turns being common in this game.

@Yusodus It is easy to say that going Second just loses your game, until you learn what Kaijus, Lava Golem and the Sphere (Which Rarran got introduced to in one of his Games on Streams) can do. However, that is a case of 'just draw the out'. EDIT: Yeah, the Competitive Scene could be alright if you're ready for it. The Meta is bad but other Card Games pretty much had the same thing going on so you got a good point. Maybe I'm just glaring at Master Duel's SPECIFICALY because you *need* to play Ranked to do your daily missions. Which exposes me to Snake-Eyes. With a deck that can't play the game against it.

Cyber Dragons are so funny because you can just contact fuse your opponent's Link Monsters. Sorry, you had a plan for that Masquerena? Nah, I get a basically free 2400 beatstick.

Adventure Horus Kaiju. If that deck doesn't OTK you going second, it ends on a 6 mat Zeus. Blows away a ton of decks that never suspect it.

Dragonlink at one point was a going second beast of a deck due to having soo many engines (miss that beautiful casual friendly meta deck)

@@Honest_Mids_Masher I just love how dragon link survives and stayed in the meta for fuckin years being a dragon pile

​@@DylenizI loved it because of how long it survived it became a deck that casuals could just invest in and then never have to focus on getting a new meta deck again because of Dragonlink being soo resilient. It sucks soo much with what happened to it in MD.

What would I give for more Rarran Darkest Dungeon content :D

It's mainly that way because of the lack of mana or resource management, the cards in your hand can be played at any point at any time, that's why it overwhelms new players but that's a cool thing that differentiate from other card games

I think that's not wrong, one of Master Duel's main issues is it's not much more than a simulator for the cardgame - you jump in to this expecting a fun f2p steam game and it must be hell. fwiw the ladder is actually pretty decent and it's entirely possible to learn from scratch with far less complex decks, but you have to make peace with the fact that you will spend a *huge* amount of time learning the very basics, and regularly get domed by strictly better decks.

that is your experience , my experience with MTG specially the physical game is horrible , but commander is fun tho

it really depends on the deck, youre generally expected to understand what youre doing in your deck and what youre trying to achieve, like for for my beetlesoup my basic combo is, summon sting to search pin to summon scale bomber, then summon pin to link into armored horn to normal again to link into pico to discard and equip a reso, then link into atlas to search beargram off of reso, then banish reso to summon armored horn again to mill gokipole to summon kamakiriman to tribute armored horn to summon stinglancer from deck to search landing to fuse into saturnas to search landing again, then summon beagram by banishing stinglancer to summon stinglancer again to fuse into hercules, then return three banished to summon neptune, thats a basic combo for beetroopers i just learned by reading the cards and connecting the dots by moving both forward from what i have and backwards from my end goal, and its just long, which is generally how yugioh works. theres actually not a lot of complicated combos, theyre just long and look complicated because you have no context because most of what i said is just summon a dude to summon a dude to search a dude to summon a dude and rinse and repeat several times, its basically like if i played school teacher several times and just kept search several times

I mean, most yugioh players would agree that the game is too difficult to get into. But if you're in it, the game is a lot of fun. (Although there have been problematic formats in the past). The Problem is more lack of Casuals. Like the whole yugioh online community is almost only yugioh players who fundamentally understand yugioh and meta. If you are a new player queuing up casual or ranked the first time, the chances aren't low you're running into kashtira decks. Competitive Yugioh is just so different from playground Yugioh or TV Series Yugioh and people have the option to accept it and try it or refuse and don't play it. Just take a look at Riff-Raff playing against Cimoooooo in Edison. Cimoooooo could've easily rolled him even tho it's a very simple format. He would've also gotten rolled in GOAT or even back during Yata-Lock time in 2002 and there you only set 2 pass. That's because new players don't understand card interactions. This is why these combo guides exist in the first place. In Magic you have cards mentioning "creatures" "spells" and "planeswalkers". In Hearthstone the cards mention "minion" "hero" and the respective minion types. In Yugioh you have cards mentioning exactly a Level 3 Fiend Monster, or an "Archetype"-Monster with level 4 or lower. So while in Magic and Hearthstone the skill is in managing your resources and using your cards as answers to your opponents deck, because synergies are random or accidents, yugioh is built around synergies. And it's almost fully about understanding every synergy. If I understand your decks synergy I know when to interrupt with handtraps while understanding my synergies helps me play the best turn possible. Also in YuGiOh, Deck building is kind of reversed. While in most other card games, you built your decks around your resources slowly climbing up to stronger "monsters" and spells, in Yugioh it's fully viable to pick your dream endboard and simply make lines to reach them consistently. Yugioh is not worse or better than any other cardgame, it's just different. The complexity lies in the single card effects themselves and how they interact which each other rather than how to optimally play for 10 rounds.

yes and no. think of it like a bunch of nicotine fiends. we all want that glorious rush of whatever moments we want to replicate, but to get to it we're sitting through turns of non-interaction, infinite interruptions, entire lockouts of certain mechanics, etc, or perhaps being the ones to do that. through all the junk, however, we'll have those matches where there's genuine outplay and strategy going on (or evil powertripping for some...), and it feels absolutely incomparable to almost any other card game when it happens. if i had to describe it shortly, yugioh is a game of abysmal lows and insane highs.

It’s a real easy deck to learn and play. There’s a reason it was a SD IRL. Issue was, as Raran says, he was not really playing the card game in his first video. Him failing with Salads was entirely on him.

How did you miss the entire point of all of this​@@mrbubbles6468

Power creep. Not that hard to imagine.

Power Creep + Anime.

The game in its core has been the same as the beginning. One player makes plays while the other has interaction. Whether the interaction is the titular "You've activated my trap card!" or "I'm gonna Ash that," these interactions between players is what pushes the design.

Komoney wants to sell cards and they will print almost anything to do it. They have this “fix it in post” mentality where they release broken cards, ban it, and then either unban it when the powercreep has caught up to it, or just release an errata that change how the card works (RIP Chaos Emperor Dragon…), and basically nerf it into the ground.

I’m not doing all that just to play casually.

That's more of a presentation issue though. If Yugioh videos and match showcase people took stuff from how some Hearthstone content creators show cards or relevant effects (usually with a simple pop up of the card with the text), then maybe it might be easier for casuals to watch.

His video admits he quit 4 hours in. And he said he wasn’t actively trying to learn it. It’s why lots of people got mad. Because he was saying the game had issues when it did not. Yugioh is not a complicated game. People go in thinking it will be like Magic and all the other card games they played and complain when it is not. Those players also never bring up that it took just as long to learn their first completely new cardgame. And that the cardpool is always daunting.

lmao I bet you have a rich social life

Yu-Gi-Oh! is very much like a fighting game. Which sucks because in a fighting game you don't flip a coin to see who gets the first opening.

@@fernandobanda5734i think they should remove being able to choose who goes first from a coin flip like just flip the coin and whoever lands on head/tails goes first regardless of their choice, would definitely remove a lot of going first/second planning