In a street fight having a greater numbers of friends with you is one of the best self defenses. So yeah in a lot of cases the real self defense is the friends we made along the way. @@luisbonatto8520
I'm an American Law Enforcement officer and I started training in 2002. I started with no-gi submission wrestling classes and then took up BJJ classes in 2005. The skills I acquired have saved my life multiple times. Not only has it saved me, it's allowed me to take violent suspects into custody without having to use as much force as I would have if I was untrained. BJJ 4 life
Many do. Our defensive tactics instructor was a World Class BJJ black belt (and my coach) prior to getting into LE. I work at a relatively small PD (about 120 officers) and we have 6 BJJ black belts. Probably not as much across the country, but in CA it’s very popular.
Well if we know or reasonably believe somebody is armed, we wouldn’t engage them in a physical confrontation. We utilize distance, cover and employ de-escalation tactics and/or less lethal force options.
I am a firm believer in LEO's or protective officers all knowing a baseline of BJJ. A lot of issues will end in ground work requiring control of an individual to restrain them. With the toolkit LEO's have, BJJ can be enough with UOF SOP's. Though i do think for self defense, BJJ is only a pillar of what is needed to ensure your safety. The trifecta i've trained is BJJ, Boxing, and Judo.
Im the exact opposite. I spent the firsr four months of my journey at a jiu-jitsu academy that is competition focused. I was miserable. I didnt quit jiu-jitsu. I quit that school. I found an academy that has a nice blend of self defense, takedowns, and ground fighting. The people are friendly and the higher belts sincerely go out of there way to help me - a white belt I train with veterans and first responders. Im a marine corps veteran. I am so happy where i train jiu-jitsu. Im 54. I plan to train for as long as my mind and body will allow. God bless and great video.
I got back to judo at age 49 and now I´m 51 and enjoying practicing solely to have fun and keep fit instead of thinking about competition and get injured, which isn't acceptable since I´m also training aikido (aikikai and tomiki) and gojuryu karate.
This was refreshing to watch. As someone who has trained Bjj for almost 8 years, I’ve always loved this side of jiujitsu more than the sport side. Also Ryron’s gym philosophy is spot on. Most people just want to learn self defense, not compete with each other constantly. It’s exhausting and injuries are high when it’s comp focused.
@@KARATEbyJesse I was reading some texts by Jigoro Kano and I remember reading that one of the criteria of techniques selection for Judo was to avoid injuries as much as possible.
@@luispaucar6996 the point is that you don't find the truth by keeping yourself stranded in one place. How will you know if your current knowledge is the truth unless you go out there and look for yourself?
Jesse made a great video about training psychology, how having fun and training as if it was play may be the most effective way to internalize real skills.
This was most schools back in the 70s through the 90s. I don't train in schools anymore, so I don't know the more recent decades. But none of this was new to me, it's carry over from the basics their grandfather was teaching and he learned from the masters before him.
I started BJJ a year ago originally for self defense purposes. I almost forgot that. These days I’m training for tournaments, I’m exercising and lifting weights for my stamina and strength - for tournaments. Thanks for the reminder as to why I even started this journey.
I recommend you to check a nice book by a grappler, Mikinosuke Kawaishi, "My method of self defense". It adds a dimension or mindset that can benefit any BJJ or Judo practitioner. The self defense in this video is very familiar to me and I've never trained BJJ. I guess we all come from the same tree.
Our head instructor says that competition is a good way to be prepared for self defense. The intensity is higher and you have to remain composed under more stress.
It doesn't matter you would still smoke most untrained and unarmed people in self defence situation. There is no point in going beyond blue belt for self defence. If self defence in your only goal make it to blue belt than learn some basic boxing and you are golden.
I have to admit. I had the wrong idea about the guy and his family. I think it's some of the fans that talk ridiculous and have nothing to do really with the guy or how the family views things.
@@minebabble What does Sakuraba, an MMA guy, beating up pure BJJ guys have to do with If Ryon is honest or not? Damn, you're such an overly biased Gracie hater, you cant even stay on topic to try and make your point actually seem valid
@@WaltWhitman_1819 I mean, they got some pretty wicked stories. And, Im sure a lot of them are true. Im also pretty sure a lot of the martial arts scene was like that. And, they're just the most recent, popular, well-known That festers hate and discontent even without the stories. So give that some fuel and it spreads to people who dont know shit bout bjj history hating the GRacies... cause they heard someone say something someone else said about something.
This is legit why is my favourite MMA RU-vidr and the best overall in my opinion, I don't even do karate yet very few are humble enough to showcase flaws etc in their own style, which all MMA arts have to some degree
Good for strategizing and enacting, bad for leading and training. You can’t lead an army or make it to the top 1 percent of your discipline without a dream. What you actually need is a healthy balance of both, high expectations but also the patience to reach them.
Martial Arts has limits because we all want to keep practicing. Hand-to-hand combat should take only a few seconds and result in serious injury or death leading to maybe arrest and prison. Anybody who says, "oh, that's fake!" is a fool risking jail or worse.
Even at a few seconds, SOCOM vets will tell you you're taking too long. They expect that deed done in less than a second. I think chains of moves are good to deal with changes and develop coordination, but you have to switch gears in the field mentally to understanding that even if a counter or two goes down and the exchange starts taking too long, the situation will probably change and you will probably switch to something else midstream anyway. Not relying on those chains for your mental inspiration is important. Adrenaline and the fear of death should help. If not, you can just pull up the thermal vid of that operator that got left in Afghanistan who got fragged multiple times, fought hand to hand, and changed fighting holes several times. You could watch his motions slow down as he lost blood pressure and only due to pressure loss. The dude was 100% mentally committed. Anyone who wasn't would have seen even worse technique decay. It's always best to go to the real sources to check data like that--too bad a lot of pansies have tried to make such videos hard to find.
I loved your course on Karate Ground fighting years ago. To quote you, "For a Karate practitioner to be ignorant of geound fighting is Insane". Its cool to see you do this type of stuff, I really enjoy your ground fighting work as well.
This seems to be a common pattern with sports versions of many martial arts. Very restrictive rules and a point system in the competitions completely obscure the true depth of the art!
@@Anti-McDojo Have you looked at any of Jesse's other work? Especially the idea that "self defence" is not the same as a stand-up "fair" fight? There are plenty of accounts of kickboxers being beaten or sucker-punched in a mugging situation where the attack was not announced and came out of nowhere. Distance sparring skills aren't so useful in that scenario. According to Patrick McCarthy - who was a fairly effective fighter in the ring - most styles of Karate were developed, not to deal with fighting another trained fighter but, to defend against attacks by "ruffians". That is to say, muggers and opportunists, who might grab one or both arms, go for a bear hug or a takedown, etc. Patrick McCarthy (and Jesse) have demonstrated how Karate Kata make sense when understood as defences against those sorts of attack. The very same sort of attacks as appear in the conversation between Jesse and Mr Gracie.
When he said 'you do what you can and not what you want' it reminded me of something my brother who was in the military told me. In his training for a certain section he was given this piece of advice by his teacher "You dont rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training and experience"
Renzo has just as much respect from me. He credited John Danaher for a change he had made to a guard pass in one of Renzo’s own videos in his own channel. Loved seeing that
@@Adultz94 Renzo, while he gets a lot of respect, it still may not be enough. When Renzo came tot he US to teach BJJ, he did it pretty much on his own without any help from anyone else after his business partner bailed on him. Renzo taught complete white belts with literally zero experience and pushed BJJ to extremely high levels all by himself and the tiny home-grown ecosystem he built from nothing in NYC.
This is the art of Jiu Jitsu self-defense mixed with verbal jiu jitsu. It embodies the mindset of someone who is learning how to win and someone who is learning how to survive. Legitimate self-defense schools or classes teach these types of mindsets and skill sets. Thank you, Jesse, for always bringing new things and helping us learn new concepts.
You made a claim, then tested the claim, and found some flaws and learned from your mistakes. I also learned theres more to how bjj is actually taught from this video. Looks like some growth came out of this journey 👍
Good work, Jesse! Growing up in Rio de Janeiro in the 80s and 90s, the young Gracies had a terrible reputation for picking street fights. Nice to see Ryron as a wiser BJJ master.
@@gannielukks1811 That's not what I'm referring to, it's all of their lies and excuses. 1) Gracies claimed Kimura was a jiu-jitsu practitioner, but he was a Judoka. 2) The Gracies laid out soft mats for the match to negate Kimura's throws. 3) The Gracies lied saying that Kimura was 80 lbs heavier. 4) The Gracies lied saying that Kimura would proclaim Helio the winner if the latter could last 3 minutes. 5) The shoulder lock used by Kimura was a Judoka technique that the Gracie family once again stole from Judo in order to protect their brand. 6) Helio was so arrogant that he brought a coffin to the match to put Kimura in. 7) People from the Gracie camp threw eggs at Kimura as he walked into the arena. The Gracie family are nothing more than thieves, conmen, and liars who try to turn every loss into a victory with nothing but excuses.
BJJ is the foundation of our Law Enforcement self-defense training. It is extremely valuable and practical. I suggest everyone do as you did and just go, see what it is all really about.
Agreed. Even when Jesse is on a warpath he keeps an open mind, maintains respect towards the interviewee and is generally interested in understanding their perspective.
That's the problem with competition sports and martial arts. You have to control the sportist and competitive spirit to preserve the martial spirit and techniques system, otherwise it will be reduced to a specialized system of a few techniques and not studied in its entirety.
This has been said many times. And sports always overshadow the self defence side. To win in a sport there is always going to be someone better than you so then you have to train harder, better and for that specific set of rules. At this point who has time to train self defence?
I say make a decision to your approach to martial arts and stick with it. The only reason I care about is self-defense. I've never wavered from that. I get a great work out when I practice, and I have a good community that cares about the martial art and physical and mental well-being. It feels great to know your survival rate is high when ANY situation comes your way, even if you have to square off with some sport motherfucker. Sport guys have to conform to a protocol that deliberately hobbles their system, and are always on the verge of getting seriously hurt if they fuck with the wrong guy or are thrown into situations they can't handle. They just don't know what to do and won't do what's needed to destroy someone quickly. I've seen it happen, and it's the hesitation that ends them.
I practice 10 different punches, and 10 different kicks, from each stance. That's 40 different strikes I try to master. Sport fighting would change which strikes i practice, which targets i should hit, but the Methodology is the same..
This was a very informative video. I just started to train in BJJ. The instructors realize that I'm not looking to compete at my age. I'm 61. I just enjoy the exercises, experiences, and the atmosphere. Thank you for sharing this part of your journey. 😁👍
Possibly one of the major premises of bjj is that you don't always get to pick where the fight will happen. "Don't go to the ground, the attacker might have friends!" What if you don't get to choose and they put you on the ground? Wouldn't you want to know how to defend yourself there?
Yes, the point is that you shouldn't immediately go for the most dangerous option. It's like saying you should avoid fighting at all if possible. A real fight is a bad thing and we don't want to do it, but we're learning to defend ourselves in case it happens. Going to the ground is a worst case scenario, but we learn how to deal with that if we need to. They might have friends, they might also have a knife. You might have them in your guard but there could also be broken glass on the ground. Ryron is doing a great thing by showing people to try to disengage with words beforehand.
Disclaimer: I"m not a sport-BJJ hater, it's a great sport. But I ADORE this video, Jesse, because for me it really highlights why I enjoy this martial art so much in the first place (I started training with instructors of U.S. Army Combatives, which was based on Gracie Jiujitsu through Matt Larson); strikes are real and should be dealt with, fights start standing more than not, distance management is critical, mindset and tactical patience is key, etc. It even got me through the door into karate and other martial arts and explore them as a lifestyle. From this humble student, thank you so much for looking at the martial art (as you always do) with an open mind and great follow-through!
@@carlcouture1023The way I like to think of it is if I didn't criticize it that means I don't care enough to hold it to a higher standard. My dad was an engineer and German immigrant in the US army for 20 years he didn't tell me he was in the first Army class to be taught by the Gracies until I was already a teenager and I thought I could take on my old man he made me look like how Renzo is making Jesse look rn, after I turned 20 I joined a gym that happened to offer multiple martial arts classes for free I've been in love ever since. Now I have a family of my own and I'm still always itching to roll but no one in my area has as much enthusiasm about it... Great stress relief though.
Submission grappling is where it’s at. No Gi, and is wrestling, judo, and BJJ. From takedowns all the way to submissions. Both sport and practical/applicable to non-sport.
From my experience, BJJ is absolutely suitable for self-defense. If you just pull guard and concentrate on cool leg locks, of course not. But if you train some wrestling in addition to BJJ, and regularly fight against beginners who fight at 100% and do a lot of random stuff, you can absolutely train it as self-defense.
This 100% as a competitor I always use the Spazzy huge new guys because that’s the intensity of self defense and competition, then I try to teach them to slow down and we have more relaxed rolls in off season, until a new Spazzy guy needs to be tamed and the cycle continues 😂
@@stefanforsgren9023this is a common problem I see with strong athletic guys, most of them try it out and even if you literally tell them that they should stop going all in and relax, it’s all technique, you just have to learn for a while, etc they sometimes go with the narrative of “I’m not as strong as I thought” and quit when their expectation of “being strong and watching ufc means I’ll beat everyone” wasn’t met Normally the shy nice small guys don’t have such a big ego to be crushed and they tend to stick longer cause they have an open mind and expect to suck at the beginning
As a young man, I trained everywhere. I studied karate for a long time but got injured, which led me to explore Miyama Ryu Jujutsu. This opened my eyes to new possibilities, so I started mat hopping and trained in Aikido, Karate, and many other styles. Whenever I traveled, I trained in whatever art was available in the area. I continued searching for the truth in the same way. I commend you for connecting all martial arts And making thing’s relevant. Very Great video.
@@DarkMuj Typical Internet rubbish for people who don't know. Look at real Japanese Aikido and not the phony Western interpretation and you'll see the Japanese don't play that shit and are quite effective in their expression of it.
I recently started attending a traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu class at a dojo in town, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised at the content of the class. We learn so much more than just grappling and submissions, it truly covers all the bases of self-defense and I've been really enjoying it.
I really like that Gracie University keeps jiu-jitsu accessible to those who need it most. Smaller, weaker, older individuals CAN learn to effectively defend themselves.
By learning jiu-jitsu with the objective of understanding the most common street fight attack behaviors you can develop appropriate self defense reflexes to keep yourself safe in a physical altercation.
A teacher who talks about what he learned when he lost is a big deal. Most people do not want to admit that they failed. That jumped out at me among many other excellent things in this video.
I trained in Goju Ryu in my 20s. Partly for fitness, partly for interest, partly for self-defence. It was a great school, female Sensei, nice atmosphere and students. But ... there were two things I felt were missing - one was a lack of focus on the attack a technique was really supposed to achieve. You would learn a kick or punch - but not really the target that should be directed against and the physical effect you were trying to achieve. Break a bone, shock the liver etc. And the second was the tactics, the mental game, that is so evident here - that bit was missing from the "self defence" portion of the classes.
The Gracie Academy or the Valente bros academy pure self defense Jiu Jitsu. A lot of other places have gone more towards sport/competition that’s why you got those responses at the tournament.
This is why Christ Haueter says “practice the sport, think street” best of both worlds - And if your school doesn’t practice takedowns or your game is based around exposing your face underneath someone, it’s not applicable in a real fight.
Clickbait title. BJJ people don’t claim it’s the best for street fighting, but if you want to be an all-around fighter, you need to know BJJ, becuase some matches end up on the ground, and if you don’t have solid BJJ you WILL lose against someone that does. It’s the best ground grappling art, and that’s why most MMA fighters practice BJJ.
Thank you sharing this.. I’ve been training in Gracie jiu-jitsu for over 20 years.. The beauty of this urban fighting self defence system.. is that it’s forever expanding, it never rests on is past conquests.. I’m forever expanding the techniques Refining them.. We have always trained with strikes (elbows, knees, headbutts and verbal language too) etc.. Plus the mental and emotional state you have to be in, in a physical or self defence situation or confrontation.. has to taught too.. Some of the stuff taught in Bjj schools will get you seriously hurt or worse.. So common sense and a clarity of what would work or not work in a real life scenario must be paramount.. And also to add the dirty tricks/techniques must be shown also.. because in a life or death situation you MUST become the person who becomes the predator.. not the victim
When I tried Jiu-jitsu a few years ago at a Gym, I would always get crushed. The ego driven purple belts and above love to show how they could dominate a 6'4" 240lb man. Now at 43 I wanted to try to learn again and I was blessed to find CJJF in north Dallas. I absolutely love the school to me it is self defense focus and the students try to build one another up not just dominate. Anytime a student comes and try to be a smasher the Professor get into the a**. Then they would leave. Also do stand up Muay Thai at the school. The instructors are top notch.
As a fellow big guy I get the frustration, I've been very blessed to have classmates not so ego driven to take out the giant. They get to practice on the giant and not hurt me, I promise to be a good partner and not spazz out and hurt them
I have discovered more about karate training jiu jitsu than i did for years training karate only. At least more about MY karate. Nice video sir. The road goes on forever and the party never ends.
If you train at a school that is training for competitions, I guarantee you that it will no problem taking down your average person on the street, maintaining top position and otherwise dominating. That being said, train some self defense as well by incorporation some striking while rolling and things you can do while standing/being grabbed.
So, as someone who's trained both I agree with you about comp bjj players having no problem. But I also think that someone who trains at a Gracie school, for example, will be able to handle the situation better at a lower rank than someone from a comp school. I've seen comp bjj players basically lost until the fight ends up on the ground. Then, they go to work and obviously get the upper hand. But some white belts at that same level have been able to control the fight better than that blue or even purple belt from a comp school, cause they came from a self defense school and had more experience dealing with strikes and takedowns while being hit. As a white belt, we had class mates and instructors putting on MMA gloves and throwing hands, while we had to use bjj to "survive" and control the fight. I've talked to higher level players who've never trained with strikes involved at all
You don't need to roll to protect yourself or kill someone, bro. This hitting the ground bullshit is something that the Brasilians concoted to get people to go to their system. It's a joke. Most of us who saw that shit 30 years ago knew that it was a scam and so it continues to this day.
I figured the title was clickbait-ish but as I’ve watched the channel a fair bit I knew what to expect. He actually did “expose” elements of BJJ but the title and thumbnail implies he is exposing the Gracies, which of course he isn’t and you can see from the start that he isn’t doing that - aside from his play acting that keeps suggesting that is what he is doing for the first could of minutes. Your assessment of RU-vid is on the money but this is not the example of the RU-vid cesspit you’re suggesting it is. I wish he could use a more direct and honest approach but this title will probably get a lot more views… if I wasn’t familiar with the channel I wouldn’t have clicked at all. You don’t seem to be familiar with it but you have left a comment, even though you don’t seem to have watched the whole video. Your comment is more effective engagement for the video, if you really hated it, just stopping the video and clicking don’t show this channel anymore is the only effective way to punish the RU-vidr (although I don’t think Jesse deserves to be punished)
People are only concerned with the gracie's name and suspect stories now, and not all the work and proven effectiveness they had to show to get bjj where it is today.
@@eddienash5986 in 2003 here in Brazil me and my brother in law were in a nightclub when we just heard people screaming and running like a demon arrived the place, the bodyguards were running against the crowrd to check what was happening, they were deperated. Then we looked at the place where ppl were running from and we saw like 6 guys with shaved hairs and cauliflower ears BJJ gym shirts beating all the poor bodyguards, then the bodyguards began to run for their lifes after some seconds others trying to scape armlocks and headlocks on the ground already, they only stopped when the police arrived and shot to the air a couple times, that was insane cuz there were so many bodyguards and they were not small guys but they got beaten like children by adults. I'm not even a jiu jitsu fighter or anything, but don't doubt what those guys did back in the early 00's here in Brazil these stories are real.
As a traditional karate practitioner (shito ryu) who NEEDED the self defense but grew so much from the Do (way) of the style, I cannot express how much your channel means to me!
I used to do judo in college. Our sensei showed us the massive difference between sport judo and traditional judo. "Real" judo is another martial art, much more complete
I practice judo in Japan and focus here isn´t just competition but randori always us to pressure test our technique and improve. Judo is BJJ with proper takedowns, whereas BJJ became a martial art with only ground work.
Totally agree. My Sensei passed away a few years back. I spent 10 years learning from him. Lots of good stuff. Promoted to Sixth Dan before he passed of stage 4 lung cancer. Trained BJJ and a few others for a few more years after. Retired from in-gym training and competition 8 years ago. Am now 41 and looking to resume once again. I'm not interested in competition, just training.
@@gengotaku On the other hand, one can say BJJ is judo with proper groundwork, lol. They're both great arts, just with a different emphasis on groundwork vs throws. A bjj black belt will destroy the average judoka on the ground, while a judo black belt will destroy the average bjjer on the feet. One should try to learn both aspects as best as possible, but easier said than done.
BJJ is what it is - the ground game and submission parts of Judo. That is what happened, in the 30 and 40s Helio Gracie learned judo and stylised it to suit his small size.
“Sport jiu jitsu” schools are where the best athletes/MMA fighters train, the whole “self-defense” take is for the day to day person who doesn’t want the intensity of competition classes, but still wants to learn the basics of bjj.
That's the whole goal though. The goal is for an average guy to survive a self defense encounter. BTW...MMA fighters train more self defense BJJ than any of the sport guys.
@@safdarkh786 except nearly every single person in every major MMA promotion is at least a BJJ blue belt and a significant percentage don’t have any official wrestling experience so it’s almost like BJJ proficiency is a prerequisite to be a professional mixed martial artist but wrestling isn’t.
@@gengotakuand the original Jujutsu from the Sengoku period is Judo & Brazilian Jiu-jitsu's predecessor and an excellent Koryu art. Original purpose was used for hand to hand /disarming when wearing Japanese armour etc.
*I share my story with everyone that rages about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.* In the early and mid 1980's, I was training in Korean military style Tae Kwon Do; *it's the form of TKD that actually works and is brutality.* Long before anyone had ever heard of BJJ, my Sensai was teaching it to us. He taught it to us so much, I sometimes took a month or two off because a 90-120 minute class would be 70-80% BJJ. Anyway, what I did learn is most real fights for self defense turn into grappling. All the brutal kicks, elbows, knees and punches I learned were highly effective and necessary, *but ultimately we were being taught self defense with life saving techniques.* As your video points out, sport fight training is pretty much useless in a real fight for your life. *Relative to that though, some fight training rather than none even if it's just punching a bag with no instruction will give you an advantage over most criminals that seek to do you harm.*
Pretty ignorant statement to think that "sport" BJJ practitioners can't absolutely wreck people in an actual fight. This is a completely and utterly ignorant take.
@@DanielDangana And somehow you missed this comment that I replied to. "As your video points out, sport fight training is pretty much useless in a real fight for your life.". How? I don't know 🤦♂
Some fight training rather than none even if it's just punching a bag with no instruction will give you an advantage over most criminals that seek to do you harm.
Nobody is knocking Danaher here. Even Rener has acknowledged (in an interview with Paddy Pimblett) that Danaher is the best sport BJJ coach of all time. Danaher also coaches MMA fighters and so does Renzo as do members of the B-Team and DDS.
It's true what he says about your comfort zone. I remember when I sucked at doing Tiger Uppercuts from the right side of the screen. Ryu would always beat me when I dropped the combo
As someone trained in aikido, it feels like you "exposed" (positive) both the practical core and the empathetic, jūjutsu/aikido-adjacent philosophical parts of bjj, and it's really nice to see this side. Nowadays, it always feels like I see people and commenters concentrating so much on competitive effectiveness and with nearly no emphasis on what most people will want or need from martial arts in life, and it's good to see this side of bjj. It really feels like bjj still has jūjutsu at its core ❤
I am a student at Torrance Gracie. You only saw a very small section of the curriculum. We do take downs, punch defense, kick defense. knife defense, bat defense, gun defense, we hone the basics to perfection. It's almost the reverse mindset of sport BJJ, and it's all in the mindset. I can control the fight from the bottom, conserve energy and tire my opponent out. In sport they call it stalling. Gracie is about timing, balance, efficiency of movement, patience, doing the right thing at the right time, not an all-out war. I don't seek submission they just happen. Sport BJJ guys don't last long, Gracie is a lifestyle for me slow consistent understanding and progress. Gracie Jujitsu is real fight oriented, what it was originally intended for.
You can't control jack shit when you're not actually practicing it. And practicing something with real resistance is a sport. The only reason any part of jiu jitsu isn't bullshit IS the sports. That's why bjj practitioners are in the UFC and Japanese jiu jitsu practitioners are LARPing nerds.
Brother you can’t control a street fight from the bottom. If you don’t do live drilling / sparring, you can’t properly learn the techniques. Tiring somebody out from guard is a terrible strategy, respectfully.
Most people getting in fights are in grade school. Adults getting in fights is rare because of the consequences. In grade school, kids generally just need to know how to strike the right place to make a bully stop. It'll be really dangerous for a kid to go to the ground because usually bullies have a friend bully around to help.
wow, such humility and clarity - difference between the self defense V. competition likely patterns/ taking time, not burning out to get technique executed/ encouraging students to go to different schools if they want the competition approach
I would NOT recommend learning online. Real world experience is where you learn to deal with real world fighting. Go to each of the bjj schools in your area, and ask them if they also teach self defence as part of the curriculum. Keep going from gym to gym till you find one that does. That's what i did. I would recommend gyms that have strong Gracie bjj principles. Once you sign up, remember to ask the coach what would be best to do in a self defence situation when learning a new move.
@@DeepsGnome Online learning requires at least one training partner. In person is preferable, but people have started online, grown their own training groups locally, then turned those into full-fledged, full-time businesses.
@@tjl4688 as long as that training partner is already experienced, to be able to 1. present you with a challenge. 2. to be able to inform you when you practice the moves incorrectly.
@@DeepsGnome Oh, you will be shocked be the level of details from the videos. It isn't like any of the instructionals you have watched. Its designed and explained for beginners
Mr. Gracie, You are SO right in your approach. Everyone should learn these life skills. I would like to see these disciplines taught in every school. Thanks, Please keep up this vital work!
So what's your beef, he loves what he does, and Jessie came to Ryron. Also without Ryron father introducing the world to BJJ what would it be now. Know your history
@Illbebacc if all we did was that though it would get boring. It's actually not that difficult to get the better of an untrained person in an altercation.
@@Illbebacc That's pretty absurd since the Gracies always marketed themselves with competitions. Competitions are what made bjj legit in the first place and what keep it legit today.
I’m sorry, but put ANY “fighter” from Karate Combat against ANY BJJ athlete competing at a comparable level. Your boys will get their knees torn and will be choked out before the timer hits 00:59
Why are you sorry about that? And what about a karate fighter with half a year wrestling or judo experience fighting passive grappling (forbidden in competition). It becomes a lot more difficult.
@@paulvos4923 Not any more difficult at all. In the example you’ve given where a karate practitioner has trained wrestling and judo, they would just be borrowing from superior combat sports, this doesn’t change the fact that the bulk of their ‘knowledge’ isn’t valuable. Plus, in this scenario it would take a lot more than half a year of wrestling to stand a chance against someone who’d put as much time into training BJJ as the other person has into karate. Just because sport BJJ is adapted in MMA and self defence scenarios, doesn’t mean that karate (which is essentially LARPing) has any kind of an edge in MMA or a street fight. For the record, I’d maintain that you could beat someone who’s trained their entire lives in karate with 100% sport jiu jitsu.
I don't know man, some of the guys in that karate combat league are pretty awesome at what they do. They probably cross train as well. I still rate BJJ as one of the very best practical martial arts system. I just think striking still has its place and I think that's still evident in a lot of CCTV footage of altercations . There's also a lot of going to the ground though. Some guys though are just brutally effective at knocking people out quickly and the fight stops almost immediately. So I think that shouldn't be underestimated. With a lot of arts you can coach people in a particular culture that better prepares them for violence and then that art holds up better under pressure. I think the student needs to understand that they're gonna have to cross the line from discipline to violence or at least a controlled sort of violence to really deal with those sort of people that have a natural brutal instinct for combat. I'd also add there are definitely more examples in those CCTV videos these days where you can see that people have some knowledge or training of some sort. That's maybe why we're seeing more take downs, ground and pound and in some cases legit submissions. The older footage is dominated with stand up stuff I find and those quick one two and down they go sort of situations. BJJ is mega though. Definitely not disputing that. I think it's comparatively less diluted compared to other arts as a broad generalisation.
The Brazilians tore apart more than enough Karate practitioners to prove their point. Don't misunderstand though - Ryron and Rener are very good friends with the Machidas (Lyoto/Chinzo, etc). They respect each other arts and train together as well.
All one has to do is look up Takagi Yoshin Ryu and older versions of bjj... Takagi Yoshin Ryu was literally made for samurai guardsmen. Arresting techniques. Ultimately it's all the same
