3:21 a few years ago there was a chase between a smiley face and a priestess in Moonlit River Park that lasted 10 hours, and that match was the main reason priestess started to receive nerfs and was the reason they made it where the hunter can go through her portals (also Cn server got a special limited graffiti for the match because of how famous it got)
And some thing about female dancer some people didn't know. - her blue music box was affecting all survuvors but no dancers. - she couldn't pick up boxes - she didn't had twirl ability
31:29 Barmaid got a major rework that made her strong nowadays but I still remember back when she was first released, she was really mid. Old barmaid worked like this: + At the start of the game, you only have 1 speed bottle and a mixing ability + In order to get 1 heal bottle, you need to mix ( the mix's duration is about half the speed of what current barmaid mixes when she's injured) + Mixing and drinking any bottle gives you the decoding debuff ( so she always gets the max debuff every game bcs she always need to mix and drink at least once) + Every time you mix, you get a 0,25 dmg that lasts for a few seconds that slowly decreases + You CANNOT mix when you are at 0,5 health ( this was the major reason why she wasn't picked more because if she's injured and doesn't have a bottle, she's f) + Also you still can't pickup chest items even after you've used all your drinks
before the 0,25 damage it was 0,50, doing that while a joseph was in the match was literal suicide, glad they got rid of it because why did it even work that way??
she gets injure half health everytime she mix and drink speed boost. i remember you can't mix at the start of game because you need to know hunter is not near you while you are mixing dovlin cuz you give yourself half health. also this was happen when you drink speed boost as well. so you really need to dodge hit while drinking speed boost cuz you give yourself half health
@@TuberoseKisser Probably because Puppeteer can tank hits even when he's at half health. Old barmaid would have just gone down instantly. I remember testing her drink and getting one-shot by the hunter immediately. Good times :)
48:13 To be fair, the exact same player did get a 4k with Joseph in 2022 Summer IVL on Lakeside (one of my favorite competitive matches of all time), so like it's partially old meta, but also partially the player being really good at Joseph. Like if anyone's a Joseph main, it's him.
@beemorningstarVT OMG THE SNAKE STAIRS... Survivor used to be so easy just because of all the broken kiting spots. Its a lot harder now, especially with these new hunters lol
Personally I disagree. Back then it was just bq, dream witch and Wu chang back to back. Then again older than that is pretty unique I agree if we're talking about way more back
Game keeper was only played after his rework and spider stopped being played after the nerf were she she could no longer reset her speedboost by not moving on top of a spider web
@@BOOMBoom-tv4kv thats totally true, i only joined in season 19 and stopped playing for a year or so just to come back to sangria dominating rank and people still not knowing how to counter her
Fiona was really broken that there was even a 10 hour long match (for real) A streamer was playing Fiona and I believe it's a rank match with Naib, Tracy, Servais, and also Joker (SF). The reason why the stream did not exist because c'mon, it's a 10 hour long match and no one is going to watch for that long and secondly, they want to avoid the ridicule for the Joker. In the end as expected, Fiona escapes through the dungeon. They also have a graffiti dedicated to the 10 hour match Fiona got nerfed and this is the recent Fiona you would see in matches nowadays
@@DrDeceased01 ah for that part, I don't really quite remember. That's what I mostly heard from the people. I actually didn't know that the surrender weren't always there
this video made me sad because we had such diverse hunters and now they’ve been nerfed so bad because of the player base so now we fight the same 5 hunters when there’s THIRTY NOW
Thats why my gameplay back then was wu chang with peeper because peeper back then had long area of range unlike now so i basically played wu chang as percy because i got traumatised with that gardener breaking every single chair in the map and I lost
Actually is so cool to see/remember how different the game was back then and see how much has changed
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Your reaction to old Demi is hilarious, when she got her rework i didn't remember it and i drank the bottle at the start of the game (this was the norm before her rework ) and my teamates asked me "Why did you do that? You know she doesn't has to do thta anymore right?" DAMMM
38:21 if you are surprised about this match you can check the lakeside Joseph match in summer IVL 2022, the same hunter player btw, but he played for WBG
From what I recall mercenary was either weak or people didnt fully know how to use him so they buffed him heavily and he stayed like that for quite a while, they just slowly started to cut down on his elbow pads and reduced his chair time, they later also reduced the amount of time he takes to get damaged. But he always had his decoding and healing debuff which is why on release people didnt want to play him, while not a good strat due to how slow his chair time was, alot of mercs were terrible at kiting so some people would purposely chase him to waste some of his elbow pads cause they usually werent good and since they didnt run broken windows they were even easier to catch after they used all their elbow pads
@@jamela3136 I have the mercenary skin sadly i didn't get the mind eye skin because i was pretty poor and not smart enough in that time so didn't get everything
Honestly I think BQ could be rebuffed to like 13 or 14 sec cd, a bit faster and mirror cancel. She’s not that major of a threat anymore and the nerfs feel VERY unwarranted nowadays with sangria and bane (she seems strong in the video, but that’s just because old survivors and lack of the comparison to new hunters). And her nerfs were HUGE. 3 seconds extra cooldown is CRAZY for a hunters only ability and they hit her speed so hard. And come on, there’s no reason she shouldn’t be able to cancel a bad mirror 😭not to mention they also nerfed mirror duration AS WELL, she at least should get some of it back. One last thing too, her presence abilities are also very outdated and weak, and so if they’re not gonna change them, this is the very least they could do for her, especially because full presence can actually make her more predictable and WORSE. 💀
I am an end of Season 12 player. My knowledge of changes isn't all the way back at COA 2, but more post COA 3. I can list some of the ones I remember. Seer used to have a shorter owl charge time, owl lasted for 15 seconds, and owls on teammates that are hit by hunters have the same attack recovery time as a normal hit (now it is 30% faster if the owl was not on Seer). Mercenary had 4 elbow pads (at the time I joined), but his damage delay was still 15 seconds. Barmaid would have to mix drinks at the beginning, and she would increase her damage to that of a normal hit which will disappear after a short while. She could not mix drinks while injured. Magician had 2 (or 3) wands but he also got terrorshocked when hit whilst invisible. He also took i think 30% or 60% longer to be rescued off chair. Mechanic had a 20% or 30% decoding speed buff that her doll also shared. Gamekeeper did not have traps. Dream Witch did not have an icon to notify her presence around the survivor. The trait that was replaced by flywheel was never used. It was just really really bad. End traits were not shown above survivors in the preparing phase. Survivors would instead send numbers in chat to indicate what they had. Luca did not start with stun and could only gain his stun whilst in his electric field. Painter had 3 paintings Birdcage in Sacred used to be broken. Instead of the pallet + window there were two raised windows so you could loop it endlessly. Middle of arms factory used to have 3 pallets instead of 2. Bonbon bombs used to be able to interrupt rescue. Gardener did not have her stand-still bubble. Only the beginning one. Embalmer coffin could not be moved, didn't have tide nor invincibility. It could be placed outside the gate though. He also couldn't coffin people off the ground. Helena cane only showed hunter location, no debuff. Acrobat did not have his roll at the end of his bomb. Gravekeeper shovels would be used as soon as he got out of it regardless of how much time he had left. 1 chip hit would also take him out of shovel. First Officer didn't have tide when hit in his watch Little girl would not get forcibly detached when the survivor she leeched got hit. The survivor also couldn't get her off themselves. It was kinda funny coz everyone hated her because of it. Novelist was able to force surrender the hunter when he swapped with them. This was quickly patched lol (this is pre-Novelist rework when he could still swap bodies). Geisha had no butterflies. Her dash was in-built into the survivor (basically like if present day survivor with a butterfly on them was that way the entire match). Her dash still cancelled when survivors look at her. Wu Chang did not have a sound cue when he threw his umbrella. You could not take out Breaking wheel's spikes on your own; you needed another survivor to do it. Lawyer map didn't do anything for him outside of knowing hunter location. He had to decode a cipher to get his decoding boost if I remember correctly. Lucky Guy did not have his parcel and could only pick up 1 item. Dancer did not have her twirl and could not pick up boxes. Borrowed time was ALWAYS used. There was basically no instance where people would wanna go for anything else. Nowadays there seem to be more people going for no borrowed time under certain circumstances and on specific survivors (full kite build on pris or mind's eye, I've seen a flywheel + tide on a forward, and I personally play no 3 [a.k.a. no borrowed time] Embalmer). A trait called 'doom shock' used to exist (this was before my time). It had a chance to deal a detention equivalent hit if hunters hit a survivor if far enough away from a chaired survivor. Indicated by yellow glowing eyes. Metawise from my memory: Seer, Priestess, Forward, Merc, Mechanic were like the OG OP gang. Always picked or always banned. They were really, really cracked. Barely anyone used Embalmer, Barmaid, Magician. The starter characters were not considered good. They got way better after all the buffs. Explorer was briefly in the meta for a bit just because he was so hard to find. Postman was used a lot at one point for his decoding letter. Breaking wheel was meta. Violinist was meta at some point, same as sculptor and bonbon. They were always picked. Mary was cracked. Note on Joseph: Joseph is interesting. Idk if he was ever meta, but it's more like he's a really really ultra specialised hunter. You either play him incredibly well, or you suck, and 99% of the people are in the latter, kinda like only really, really pro Josephs can use him in comps (They have insane gamesense + prediction, know his character really well, and are not blind), and there was a recent one who got a 4k on Lakeside (from the comments it says in 2022). It's kinda just a 'Joseph main or bust' thing. If anyone remembers anymore if I got something wrong feel free to tell me.
31:22 barmaid when first released, when she makes dvalin, she is in half health for that duration and she coudn't make dovlin in half health because it needs to injure herself. also when she drinks the speed, she is in half health
Aaah I'm pulling my old memory for old Barmaid, BUT back then, first no speed bottle, second you didn't actually start with a bottle, instead you had to mix it which was a huge risk because any time you mix you would be put in an injured state for a period of time then back to normal, and third if you're injured you straight up couldn't mix I believe
@@BOOMBoom-tv4kv The trauma has opened up, I forgot about thaaaaat, sometimes Barmaid and Joseph would both wait too for the other to use their ability
Bloody Queen originally could spot explorer when he was tiny, she got nerfed around the time of the first lawyer rework were he went from being able to see the location of all the cyphers and survivors, as well as giving a 10% speed decoding buff to all other survivors near him (i think they changed it to globaly if he is alive) to a 20% self decoding speed boost after 1 cypher, and no terror shock as well as the ability to see the hunter with the map. Both explorer and lawyer had their reworks worked and release with the BQ nerfs, I think they were also trying to buff mind's eye at this point and they were considering giving her the ability to stricke the floor and knock back a hunter, and it would be farther the closer they were to her. The minds eye buff didnt go trhough cause it also reduced her decoding speed but they did change her blindness filter and gave her the ability to slow down interaction speeds of hunters after she used her staff ability, and later they buffed it so that she no longer needed to stop to use her ability. I think they were trying to deal with strong hunters by nerfing them and also buffing cypher rush
I remember seeing old COA videos WAYYYYYY back when i first stumbled upon IDV, and it's actually kinda nice seeing how the game was back then and actually getting to try out the changes today myself! (Altough it sucks they nerfed Mechanic to the ground, #JusticeForTracy)
I remember playing this in 2018. How different this game was. You think Mercenary with 5 elbow pads was weird, Ripper had unlimited foggy blades at one point cause of his ability. If survivors stayed in one area long enough it would be covered with fog. Ripper had unlimited foggy blades in this fog area. Gamekeeper was considered garbage, but he was my garbage. You didn’t mention it, but the chair designs were different. They had rope to hold the survivors down instead of the handlebar. It was said in lore that it was covered in spikes so the survivors would scream when rescuing alerting the hunter of the rescue. You can still see in the animations for both chairing and rescuing, that they lift something up and over the survivors. this was the rope. Can’t remember why it was removed though. I hope it comes back. Cause it was cool. Unfortunately I don’t remember much cause I was young and took a long break for a bit periodically checking in and even deleted it twice. Now I have two ghost accounts cause I didn’t know what Game Center was at the time. It’s why my name ends in 1.
@@venusrose5641 Man, I really wish the censorship over there was better. They got rid of Robbie’s axe too even though his name is literally AXE BOY. Maybe they can make the ropes exclusive to global like the axe and other hunter weapons. I’d like to see some of the older weapons come back too for characters like Leo. Besides Smiley’s rocket that stays cause it’s iconic at this point.
@@venusrose5641not really, they removed it cause some dumbass kids decided to tie up another kid to make it like the game and just left him there for who knows how long which caused a whole scandal
Bro it feels like yesterday but the fact that I was there to see and play and you weren’t lol Like Demi having the heal thing at the beggining is just because she had to make her drink at first and when she makes it she gets “hit” for some seconds before being able to be full health, also she couldn’t make drinks while damaged
Wow! It’s crazy seeing how broken survivors were back then, I joined right before COA 3 so a lot had changed already but it’s totally crazy how different it is now! I’m still stuck in that borrowed time and broken windows mind set tho 😎 Also that doorway in bird cage is a very recent thing 😂
Yeah its only like a year old right? If I remember correctly it was when they added the pallets near the exit gates in moonlit and took away the 2nd pallet in China town no?
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone mention fallen misfortune. In the dw match you can see her eyes glow yellow when she’s away from the chair (looks like detention but golden), this was a trait called fallen misfortune that was essentially a 1/5 chance of having detention if you were so far away from the rocket chair w a surv one it. They removed it bc it was too rng based and super unhealthy for the game. The fact the dw got it TWICE in one match but didn’t capitalize on it either time is wild
@@Nightwingofthesky 18:52 is the first time you can see it. It’s kinda hard to see tho bc she’s facing away from the camera. You can see it again later in the match but I’m too lazy to get a second timestamp lmao
i for the longest time thought hunters were able to vault through pallets, and it was because i had a distint memory of hunters going through that area in pre-nerf arms factory (8:44). and when they changed it to a pallet and not a window my memory was like "yep that always used to be a pallet, and hunters went through those"
Ive been playing since release and all the maps and characters were SO survivor sided it was kinda funny, I still remember being shocked at the hospital window being removed
In regards to old BQ. What changed was the amount of time the mirror was active, before it was on for longer with a shorter cool down, now it's on for less and has a bigger cool down. So essentially, the amount of mirrors you could use a match is the same, but before you'd get more value out of each mirror.
Zeez, check out old Perswayable videos from this time. He used to be one of the main sources for IDV media. Everyone I know used to watch. He always had all the newest updates and knowledge about what was happening with the game.
If I remember this was coa II this was before identity v was imported to PC meaning using smiley and forward took skill because there was no sensitivity adjustment for camera angles
41:01 yes, you can follow him into the hole whenever gravekeeper drops down with his shovel and you can still do that i believe. though im still not sure if you can drop down hit with that as well since i have never seen a hunter try lol
merc early days is interesting because we wasn’t considered the best because cipher rush was considered THEE tactic for the meta. every team NEEDED a decoder (that’s why mech was used SO MUCH) and mercs decoding debuff was considered enough to “balance” out his insane kiting and rescuing ability. also, merc used to be a considered a container. if i remember, people liked coord better for rescuing. you should check out old IDV tier lists, it’s definitely shocking to see the contrast
So interesting trying to guess when you started playing. A lot of these changes I remember very vividly lol. Hearing “from what I can tell, I THINK (thing I definitely remember didn’t exist when I played) didn’t exist back then” soo many times haha. Yes. Not even halfway thru the video but most of what you’ve said about the past is correct. Also, Soul Weaver got nerfed about 3 times from what I can remember before finally falling out of the meta.
Okay so, I've got some silly expericences related to old idv! Basically I wasn't really an idv enjoyer, I got the game for a close friend who at the time was OBSESSED with it, I played very little in both 2019 and 2020 and after that me and the friend just kind of fell out so I stopped playing. Now in 2024 I got the game once again, for a close friend, expecting not to enjoy it that much like before but I actually did, but before it got to that I was SO CONFUSED, since I played the game very little in the past my memory wasn't the best but I could still tell that something's not right yk, I start the game with some cutscenes and some blonde woman, like didn't it start as a male detective in a basement looking room?? Then I had to match as hunter for a quest I'm pretty sure and I got the notification about the wait time being long (and it was) and I was just wondering who in their right mind willingly plays hunter?? AND THEN I get Tracy, my first main only to find out that she's terrible now?? I REALLY THOUGHT I WAS GOING INSANE AND MADE ALL THE THINGS I REMEMBER FROM THE PAST UP (also holy moly this turned into a whole essay)
Ohh you reacted to a coa3 joseph match!! If you want to watch another joseph, I remember in coa 3 there was this one other joseph hunter named yuelan and he's so insanely good. me and my friends were all freaking out when we saw the live 😭
Dude , I played those old maps back in the day. And YES that double window on factory was EXTREMELY BROKEN, as hunter i would cry, as survivor that was an infinity loop.
Me realizing as a newer player how many changes were made to make the games more fast paced The fact that matches from 5 years ago look like the regular length of a dbd match is crazy
The Seer nerf was actually rather recent I believe, I can't remember if it was together or on different patches, but hitting his owl also made your recovery on that attack like 10% faster, like hitting Journalist doofius. Same thing with the Merc's dmg, it was delayed for 15s by each half and was cut in half.
Zeez, old idv was a whole other era😭😭 But that’s due to changes in characters like nerfs and buffs but also like entirely to the characters kit. 2:10 isn’t that her normal vaulting speed?
I know IDV has made some... choices for balancing but holy hell they thought 5 elbow pad merc with 15s attack delay or sum was fair and balanced? ... okay.
31:21 i feel old hearing this but i might as well add an explanation 😭😭 so back then, barmaid had to make the drinks at the start of the game instead of automatically having them beforehand, and making these drinks can cause, you guessed it, a sort of temporary "injured" state Its why she was so bad against Joseph early game. When she makes drinks and he takes a photo, her injured state will be recorded, and will only be one hit in the mirror world I know she also used to take 0.5 damage when she made drinks or when she drank the speed drink until they took it away entirely Also, adding onto that, she can run out of drinks to make, but she wouldn't be able to look through chests
7:00 I was around for that pallet!! Wasnt around for Factory window though, thank god. But thats why Mary was so OP back in the day (even more so, even her shorter CD aside), she could actually do something against these loops lmao- 12:10 let Jack take his stroll in PEACE, Zeez, jfc 14:10 gotta be one of the craziest balance decisions ive ever seen 17:00 actually, a lot of people argued that adding an entrance to birdcage made the map more survivor sided overall. Yes, the hunter can now actually do something about survivors just sitting in birdcage, but the strongest area on the map now has another entrance (with a god pallet at that). 21:30 coa2 hunters just like me fr 27:30 another insane thing about starting with mirror is that if you knew spawn points you could literally snipe someone right away. now imagine that with area selection..... scary 21:30 someone already explained, but yeah, Barmaid went through quite a few changes. The one I was around for was when mixing or drinking speed-drink gave her 1/4 damage going down, which made her SUPER risky against chip hunters. I still remember a Barmaid drinking speed drink against me as Joseph and she got the 1/4 damage and I hit her causing her to go down in one hit..... I'm glad she doesn't have to deal with all that anymore. Same with chip hunters, if you got ONE chip on her while her "Tipsy" Status was going down, she would be half-health. She was super risky and easy to counter-pick. 39:00 minimap! you can see the red dot in the top left. that's why it's better to hide behind things as opposed to in things like bushes. I'd love to see more of these!! You can see BW and Sculptor in their prime in the later COAs :) If you thought BQ without flywheel was tough, wait until you see the Will Brothers ^^
In COA2 things were really different since people were just getting used to the game, and when dream witch came to the game she was "weak" because players didn't know how to play her, neither had the same game sence there is today, when bloody queen came to the game players were just kinda get used to her gameplay loop and she started to rise in the meta, some seasons later she became the hunter she is today! by COA3 the meta shifted, Dream Witch and Bloody Queen became the new meta and the most banned characters too. Also! This was Mary when she was first release: •mirror at the start of the match •mirror was invisible to survs •infinity range mirror rotation •12sec mirror cooldown •fastest base speed possible (4.73m/s) •mirror used to stay up for 16sec (This is every bloody queen main dream, or atleast mine.)
I wanna say on original release, the Priestess wasn’t all that powerful because she originally had to wait for an orb to transfer between portals, and she could be hit during that time.
YES seer used to have a longer owl and be able to charge another as it was in use! I remember all of this Wow i feel like some sort of veteran for living through that
As I remember, Joseph really had no nerf or buff since then. A remember tho that like a year or two ago developers told about some plans on his rework (and at the same time one Hunter had a little rework, maybe it was an Axe Boy), but they actually did nothing and as a result Joseph remain as he was. I mostly play him of all hunters and I remember feeling relieved when they didn’t do anything to him 🥲 cause I’m my opinion his mechanics are interesting and unique even tho he’s not meta or something
Wow, HOSPITAL with the double window was the worst, Since hunters can’t go trough the portals if you had a priestess all you need to do is wait for the hunter to come out and you could just portal in , leaving them trapped outside. The only solution was to go around and to go inside hospital again only for the priestess to portal AGAIN , suffering
Early IDV / COA was really... something- but back then that was what was meta! Seeing how the game has shifted from then versus now, its great to see the things that were workes on and improved. COA definitely got way more exciting! (...well, if you dont count the constant match 1 sangrias this year 😅)
Tbh, I miss Mind's Eye old gameplay. Being completely in the dark forced you to memorize the maps and made playing her super interesting and fun. She was my first decoding character and my fave out of all the others.
