I've Really Tried Liking TEKKEN 8 Kazuya But I Can't 

Gottem 😂

Facts

And now he talks even more about it😅

And now hes mad about that 😂

THIS SUMS IT UP.😂

I love that comparison lol

Bro you put it perfectly lmao

sounds boring af

real

I’m on that Charlie Sheen level dose of Heihachi copium rn

It was just Bruce with huge titties

Bruce was one of my main and i never even attempted to use josie. They think they can just replace characters with whatever and guys will take it.

Bro at this point I just hope they bring Bruce back, dude's have tried to replace him 3 times. Bryan worked but Josie and Fahk are just flops imo

Josie in season 5 is far far better than Bruce

true....

Hard to take the FGC serious sometimes lol

Yeeees, im Just remembered how he put kazuya in top 40 and said how bad he is, all characters have bullshit moves and only kazuya is the honest

Scrupman will never change)

First of all kazuya is not buffed in tekken 8. He’s just dumbed down aka the name of the game, if u play jin jack or any top tier in this game u know damn well they would destroy tekken 7. Kazuya in tekken 8 is weaker than tekken 7’s counter part

Yeah it's a bit tragic but if Th I got his wish then he would be crying that he s total garbage. I hope they go back to the drawing board with this character all the other new stuff they gave him is garbage.

Yea and tmm Will cry that all broken except kazuya 😁

Thats what i was talking about.... Its unfair for kazuya

@@via_negativa6183They may end up doing seasonal move changes like they did in Tekken 7. Who knows?

The point of his character is that he is weak and requires the players skill over stupid cheese. This has been said many times, he needs to be nerfed now

Kazuya has been a 5 move character since forever and the "skill expression" is dragon punch motions and crouch cancel, neither of which is hard outside of muscle memory.

@@jakemoore5077 that is not what the skill expression was.

@@jakemoore5077The funniest shit cause it’s true.

@@jakemoore5077 100% true. Plus Kazuya players gets 1000 points for elitism.

@LONprod when main man says mechanical skill, that's what he's talking about dude.

I think this is a good take. It’s unfortunate for Kazuya enthusiasts but it makes sense from a perspective of trying to bring in new players and making one of the main characters more approachable. And I do hope they make him more nuanced throughout future patches, but at least Mishima enjoyers have Reina and Devil Jin as sophisticated options

Just my thoughts but if they wanted him to be easier to play then df12 twin pistons should be a launcher, and rising twin pistons shouldnt auto screw,but giving him a big ol demon paw? Not what i initially expected

Same goes for broken characters like Jin or Jack .There is no way they dont make balance changes

I mean, they could just make these tools unviable at top level. like making demon paw -12. casuals will have difficulty punishing it (they never punish things lol), so they will still spam all the same. but pros won't be spamming a -12 move for the same reason you don't see them spamming df2

@@karapatotes from what I’ve seen and heard Reina is actually butt easy to use

I don't think that's it. As a long time kazuya enjoyer It looks like they moved the optimal play too far away from the style that was so fun & the flavor of the character for so long. If you like this new version, that's cool. It's just to long time kazuya mains it's like their favorite character has been replaced with a different character entirely. There's a fine line between sub-op combos still being somewhat viable for mix-up & flair, as opposed to just being phased out as things that should never be used or seen at higher levels & it's especially disgruntling when those moves were the core of the characters identity & integral to their meta.

The Tekken 8 demo your first Tekken?

@@potatopower2144 what?

didn’t they give reina some sort of a shortcut wave dash input?

honestly I felt this as a King main where I saw they were simplifying the chain throws and such it makes me feel like all my effort has been for nothing. Like maybe if you do it simply it should do less damage or something but even then I don't understand the dumbing down of characters. I get trying to advertise to a wider audience and helping them get into the door but this also feels like a slap in the face for me personally that I stuck with the series since literally Tekken 1 and really learned every single game afterwards even though it was hard as fuck to learn just to have everything be dumbed down to "press this simple as smash bros button and you can do the same as the pros" I definitely will be buying this game and most likely every game afterwards (because I fucking love this franchise and am severely happy with most of it) but idk feels real bad as a veteran

​@@crillz9660 she has but it doesn't do electric, so you need the traditional input for electric

@@falconofthenight008How are kings grabs simplified in T8? I haven’t really kept up with him tbh

if the whole character expression is pressing two button at the same time then the character has no expression whatsoever. Don't cry too much

If you take the horse of chess and made him jump 2 houses more, it's not a quality of life improvement. A new board with better attachable pieces it's a quality of life improvement.

lol no

You lost me at combos

@@slimzaki242 no T7 kaz lost me at combos, the fcker has some of the highest potential to drop his combos in the whole game, what about his combos in t7 made them so much better ? im genuinely asking bcuz i literally dont understand how your brain has to work to enjoy T7 kaz over T8.

@@DhaHostileScow i do agree that kazuya’s combos are difficult in tekken 7 but with the b21 screw u had so many routes to try out, not to mention landing 3 electrics after every launcher is possible. And doing them gave u above average damage, now everyone does good damage in this game and kazuya doesn’t feel that special anymore

@@DhaHostileScow maybe in the cnt though I do agree kazuya had the best combo routes in the game imo. Though they removed that. Also I’m not trying to flex but I do staple 4 ewgf and 3 ewgf after every luncher into b21. So I average 80+ damage no walls

More like Negan to an universal extent or level. Majority don't have fast CH launchers,i13s~i16s are the newer norms Those new +12~+17 CH Neutral Stuns (have weird highcrush window like Wallcrush) into guaranteed hit like his Shove:INT12 or Murder Stomp B3:124/22 Decent Lateral & Sidestepping Movements Non-Threatening/Non-Knockdown Lows Powercrush dependence etc

Sounds like the tekken team has been spending too much time around NRS if this is the plan.

Making a character easy to play and buffing the shit out of character are not the same

That was something I was thinking. I mean take Ryu and Ken in Street Fighter. Their trademark attacks are tricky for absolute beginners, but once you get the knack of those quarter circle inputs Ryu is stupid simple and easy to understand how to play. Not the same with Kazuya and Jin. Personally though I think the "special" input style would've been far enough for casuals to enjoy the characters in story mode and low ranks.

@@ST-pq4dx watch the video, he literally says the problem is not buffs, it's that they made him more simple to play

@FloleLuYaR don't know if you are new to tekken, that demon paw is a crazy buff to kazuya. For new players it is considered easy because they can spam the shit out of it in lower ranks. At higher that is considered a stupid buff that kazuya never needed

@@ST-pq4dx Aight bro if you want to argue with yourself have fun, what you're saying has nothing to do with the vid or the things I wrote lol

GOOD. He fused with Devil storywise in 4 yet he didnt have his moves until now.

You could say they subjugated him to CBT

in the CNT, the df3+4 (i believe it was df3+4) was massively OP, but other than that i'm not sure what they changed and butchered. though i'm not much of a kaz player, was always a heihachi main.

they NEEDED to nerf db3+4 but the rest was fine

That df3+4 string was definitely not fine at all, but i agree with the rest honestly

Yeah DF3+4 needed to get rid of that confirm and nerf the damage a bit. I really don’t understand why they litteraly removed all of his good mids and buffed his D1+2 for no reason

Ikr

It makes them accessible to all players instead of just kazuya mains, which is like 2% of the whole player base. I do like the 98% better. It is nice that they make him more enjoyable for everyone and not just a few people. Plus it makes sense to change kazuya since, well he is the main antagonist.

I agree with this take, although I think this change is better for Kazuya mains as well, but not Tekken boomers. Although I personally never understood the "My character/game needs to be super hard to play and people just need to get good" elitist mentality that's common in the FGC, it's just not good game design, and the new faster backdash is proof. Everyone is allowed to have their own feelings, of course, but I feel like saying "Kazuya doesn't feel like Kazuya anymore because he has a demon paw, and b1+2 is safe now" is an overreaction. Everyone in the game has evolved from Tekken 7 and gotten new strong moves in their arsenal, and Kazuya seems to have had a natural evolution from the previous game as well. He still has his loops, he still has his options, still requires high execution (fast wavedash, df2 into PEWGF, wavedash into ws2, etc) and he still has his gameplay philosophy, but he just has another good option. Also, this is a demo. We don't know what kind of balance changes will happen to Kazuya in the full release and beyond, and we won't know how his changes will all come together until a while after we start seeing the highest level competitors get their hands on him.

Anyone sensible enough will be like: does not care about the nerfs, will find new ways to use said xharacter and adapt from there and improve on it

it is not better, imagine the practice time kazuya mains put then they just dumb him down.

sounds like a skill issue to me@@marksantiago9841

kazuya main act like his gameplan cannot be applied with literally with 5 move until tekken god lol. the only hard thing with kaz is wave dash and electric. he's just execution heavy but with a brain dead gameplan.

Reina is the easiest Mishima. i15 df2. i15 fc df3(or 4), kazuya ws 2 is i16. i13 df1, with extensions, -2 on block on a female character in t8. Many reliable mids and knowledge check strings ending in fast to recover high(lidia like). Parries and evasion all over the place. Reina is not harder, she is mishima/waifu. She is easier in practice, even if she has more tools. We've been over that, characters with 100 moves and strings put more pressure on the defender, not on the attacker.

She has way better tools

@@Samaelish High amounts of COPIUM

He wants that kazuya in T8 is like in T7 lol It's nice that D1+2 has more purpose, ff2 finally a mid check but power mids like DB2 were nerfed.. it's a good trade off

Kazuya has been in a certain way ever since like Tekken 5, they have changed his gameplan to something every Kazuya main dislikes.

​@@DemonKnight94 Everyone else probably dislikes hardly seeing him in tournaments thriving.

all i saw is people complaining kazuya has been dumb down but completely forget they did that because they want to change how tekken is with T8

Personally id just want him to have twin pistons launch instead of just being a combo tool, tho rising twin pistons can auto screw since its frame 13, i mainly want this change cuz twin pistons is cool and he used tohave it, itd make him easier but not in a 'tracking power mid thats omega safe and huge range' kinda way, which im not a big fan of, just my thoughts

pure skill issue tbh.

​@@KoufalKoufax"skill issue" has never once in the history of video games been a helpful or meaningful contribution to a discussion. The idea is to make the thing you like more popular without sacrificing what older fans love about it. You are exclusively doing the latter.

@@BreadBeardFGC "The idea is to make the thing you like more popular without sacrificing what older fans love about it." they already sacrificed what older fans love about kazuya, nice try next.

Kyo in KOF is also not that easy if he counts, he kind of is the face of the series

​@@Uooooooooooooh which is why most people love Iori way more than Kyo

Yeah, easy DSS was a mistake.

I would not call that dissagreeing, but i totally get ur point. Yeah, it comes with some side effects 😮‍💨

The problem is that Kazuya’s gameplay makes him a balancing nightmare. If you buff his oki he becomes outright unfair. Remember the tracking hellsweep in T7. I’m ok with him not being built for top 8, I’ll never be at this level anyway but what they did to him is sad.

But this is not a buff it is just making him more autoplay with ff2 meanwhile real gg options like db2 ss3 ch b4 Df1d2 are gone

And why is "But is he in a tournament" a valid argument for character design philosophy??? So goddamn what if he isn't in top 8, does it matter if he's in top 8 but far less interesting of a character?!

@@yuyevon1698 that's why they nerf is classic gameplan and give new move to have a new one.

Repeat after me: it's ok for characters to be hard

⁠@@zenoftwThere is a point where difficulty lessens the fun

​@utterweeb315 not in kazuyas case and their were always easier characters go choose from if kaz is too hard or not fun enough for someone

You dont get what he was saying. Kaz was irrelevant in competitive Environments.

Exactly people are crying about balance and the damn game doesn't release for another month! Chill! Not a soul is sure who their main is yet, be honest.

Exactly, well said.

Thank you!

Also he still has no 13f mid poke + ff2 is -8 on block

​@@RandomGameClips27 They'll tell you about db1 and df4 and you'll mention their bad frames on block, when RealDevil does a lot of work with a 14f b2

You don't understand a thing and it shows. Him having options for people to get around his attacks allows him to play mind games for big damage. Without that he's nothing but standing damage

diffifult characters is what makes tekken appealing I don't understand how you cant learn a game at all.

​@@KoufalKoufaxi'd have to disagree, what makes Tekken appealing It's not the difficulty by itself but how cool martial arts are. I don't want to be THAT guy but difficulty for the sake of It It's Just not that great, on lee It's cool because that's actually the point but If you have to make every character aa difficult because "yes" you'd Just kill your potential player base

no people just need to git gud.@@fabioviti7384

​@@KoufalKoufaxi think at the end of the day you need to find a balance between learning curve and time spent. It must not be easy to pick up a character in a really short time but it's also not be the other way around. I can't spend months and hours a day to learn a char, and it's not just for the waste of time but beacuse it isn't fair for the consumer

@@fabioviti7384 I have something to add to this, I am a Zelda content creator (I also like to play Tekken), and right now we are having a similar issue with bigger open worlds VS linear story telling/worlds and right now the Zelda community is in the same scenario as Tekken 8 by creating a game that is created for the casual player but the issue here lies with the fact that the games become way too different for the much older audience that grew up with the older games. It is the less challenging game created for beginners VS a game that is much harder but where the beginners have issues with the games therefor they don't want to learn to play the game. That IMO, is a skill issue. Games are ment to be played, and to be learned and that is with everything in life. You play and get better, but that is thrown out of the window by nerfing characters or changing their entire playstyle totally just because some people are too lazy to learn the games they are playing for the sake of ''fun''. It's a fighting competitive game against other players you know, the whole concept is build upon you, as the player, learning the game as you progress through it and that's not fun when you suddenly throw the entire playstyle around. You can make it a little easier, but changing the entire character around is just a very bad idea overal. So I can understand the frustration that MainMan is showing here.

There's a billion ways you could approach the issue of Kazuya having poor pokes and panic options. The ones he got, it seems, are dull, overpowered, overcentralising, and supersede the need to use the vast majority of his tool kit. Tekken is at it's best arguably when more than 5 of your 80 move command list has much use.

TMM is big on Michimas identity, as am I, Kazuya is for purists and always has been. I have never heard TMM say Kazuya needed those tools just that he lacked those tools, big difference. Even if he did say so, this is not what he wanted or meant. Kazuya with pokes and panic moves would lose his fundamental tekken identity and stuff that is implemented poorly that messes with the identity of his most beloved character is cause for complaint and I think it's valid.

@@QenaitheCustodianGuard In a game that now is pushing players to be as aggressive as possible, ain't no way T7 fundamental heavy Kazuya would have survived. But let's see how the meta and tier list evolves in time.

@@adnanasif9538 no maybe not. But I just think TMM argues that the tools he received was executed poorly. Kazuya had always been a great whiff-punisher and would have been cool to see if he could have implemented that in this game. It is also noteworthy that he has the full devil thing in this game and that obviously changes his playstyle. But we will see, like you said.

Homie just loves to complain about shit

nahhh dont bullshit me with "I also don’t want things to be handed to me" you waited for this moment. XD

⁠@@KoufalKoufaxhe said he wants to work for it like any other person who likes a challenge

@@KoufalKoufax I still like a challenge.

no challenge at all now in T8 its all handed out@@boomboominroom

yeah sure@@unkn0wnmortaL

Far more nuanced than that. Paw is safe, long, fast, mid, dominates in heat which indirectly makes his other unique heat tools near worthless, and is an OS. Hellsweep extension needs more incentive. New hellsweep kick follow-up needs a reason to use it. His tracking on key tools is still a bit too good. d.1+2 is still really strong. And a whole lot more I don't know enough to come up with.

@@BreadBeardFGC But that's literally what I'm saying? nerf those two moves so his other options become viable again. You literally went "more nuanced than that" and then just proceeded to repeat what I said with more words added lol.

Every character is brain dead honestly

They didn’t “have to”. It’s all about that money.

I still say its not a bad thing. wanting something "incredibly hard to execute" is just elitism/gatekeeping. and thats hurting the FGC. why should I be unable to properly play a character I really like just because I havent spent years of practicing electrics?

@Merumya great point. Capcom and snk knew this back in the days which is why when sf3 and Mark of the wolves came out both had super moves for mostly every character as qcf qcf. Mid to high level players will always find a way to win and have better fundamentals than new players getting good because of easier mechanics. So, I don't mind the dumbing down of fighting games unless it's virtua fighter I dunno how I would feel if vf dumbed down.

@@Merumya Nothing is stopping you from playing the character regardless of how good you are at electrics. This is the most entitled bs I've read in my life. Should we make chess easier so you can beat GMs without putting in any effort to learn the game next?

Demon paw isn’t replacing just df2, but also electric and ws2. The point he’s making is that Kazuya used to have a tool for each situation, but now instead has a single move that covers all the bases, removing depth and making him much more brain dead. Hope this helps

​@@MrMangus How can it replace those moves? Demon paw do significant less dmg then ws2 or ewgf, and it is still -8 in the oponent's face - if you want to hard punish stepping oponent you still better to stick with ewgf/ws2. I think it is just some inflated drama out of nowhere xd

I agree with you. Kazuya still has all his options and then some more now. Yet everyone is saying because he has a move you can throw out to check people now, that gives up his turn, he’s brain dead? Like that 50/50 “vortex” wasn’t Kazuya boiled down to his most base level and brain dead.

because he's not like tekken 7 that's why, seriously i don't get kaz main, he's much better in T8 and he's demon paw is not as busted as jin's. he's just different and they hate him for it. electric, df2 and ws2 is still there and good.

I'm sure this is one of those situations where the overall character feels nice but then you realise how much you don't actually need to use the new cool things later on.

Kazuya had other stuff that made him much more fun back un the CNT. Now also TMM has had more time to see the impact of the design changes along with the nerfs, and unlikable buffs.

being a hater for no reason, nothing new. he said this move was going to be a problem, but the core identity remained the same, after you and everyone else crying on twitter about 1 string they destroyed the character, learn to listen before voicing your opinion

I just said that the mainman feels surprised about ff2 as if he didn't spam this move a billion times in the cbt,cnt and cat!​@@RustieVI

apparently thats called gatekeeping XD because people doesn't want to put the time to practice him LOL and they go bitching here in the comment section.

I'm sure they'll make some changes to him. The criticism is widespread when it comes to Kazuya. Without years of arcade balancing it was always going to be a work in progress as far as balancing goes.

The new hellsweep ender doesn't wallsplat properly, and both hellsweeps are less damage than 3, 1 f cd3.

I mean, there are plenty videos on youtube

pure skill issue.

Who cares.. let them drop the character, there are another 30 to choose from. Every Tekken player was a noob at some point, and the learning curve is what made the game satisfying to play.. now they're removing this aspect

I hear you. I see the change like this. With Law being based off a popular figure(Bruce Lee) it would suck to have all these newer players come in and be locked behind learning DSS and low slide which exactly was Law in Tekken 7. In Tekken 7 Law depended heavily on DSS and slide to get an edge, if you saw a less experienced law player he'd just use snake edge most the time. I believe they just didn't want a "potentially" popular character to be that difficult but I heard they had blue sparks DSS it least.

@@Mannymoe3 I wish that blue spark actually mattered, But it really doesn't. It can be done from the easy DSS by timing the DSS button. It has around 3~4 frames of liniency. You can barely fail it unless your playing a 2 bar.

​@@Mannymoe3or because they love Bruce lee of by extension law they would put the time and effort into learning his tech and intricacies in fact it should be more motivation to get better, Tekken 8 is the mcdojo of the Tekken series you get your black belt after only a few months

@@jenpachi2408 in an ideal world I wish they had more ingame challenges/rewards to encourage more people to try out those more advanced things. I honestly think though that a less experienced player will have trouble grasping the benefits of DSS and slide.

Everyone could do dss before please don't pretend like it was Mishima level execution that's just incorrect and dishonest

Reina is even dumber tho and easier has more interesting gameplay for sure but idk how she looks appealing to you with all those stances and knowledge checks if you played kazuya for so long

... that's EXACTLY what they want all tierwhores to do 🤡

So you are trying to play an easier kazuya?

​@@makeomengreatagain "Kazuya's dumbed down so you're gonna play an even dumber waifu character???" as if that isn't exactly what Bamco wants.

dumbest version of Heihachi you mean , and heihachi is not even a dumb character LOL@@ermindedic3706

A middle ground between the CNT and CBT 3,1 loops. Apparently it was too easy on CNT and you're pretty much a good of execution if you can land 3,1 loops post-CBT

For every main leaving him there's probably 3 people willing to try him.

What about willing to stick with him?

yeah the skill issue people when they cant play him before T8@@UltimateBallaPOM

@@KoufalKoufax Yup! We'll watch your well-placing tournament runs from T7 to get an idea how difficult he was to use back in the days😂

Same tbh, I might finally get an excuse to learn matchups. By learning other characters 😅

1+4

​@@Backdoorskthanks for the help

kazuya aint a fan favourite, he is just most pick because the selection courser automatically points at him during the picking phase.

​@@KoufalKoufax he is a fan favorite like Heihachi but most people can't play with him

definitley not a fan favourite if most people cant play them.@@yellowscarlightningscream8347

@@KoufalKoufax Negative IQ take

try harder.@@mosley3485

Ya I get what he is saying. But they had to make the characters easier. Especially Jin and Kazuya, who a lot of people use. And not sure what he means with devil Jin. They made him easier too.

@@resolvedfate1295 they’ve definitely made devil Jin easier. He just hasn’t played enough to start complaining about it yet. But oh trust me it’s coming.

yea, like talk about doomposting about a better character than it's 7 counterpart.

@@TeryonTheHuman flying stance go brrrr

@@aldofer8832 seriously Kazuya’s old ff2 was kinda garbage and there wasnt a single reason to use it over electric. All they did was give him a usable mid one and make it mishima standard. “It’s safe 😢😢” Of COURSE it’s safe. Jin’s and Devil Jin’s are both safe, Kazuya having an unsafe one that does the exact same thing would just be silly

Devil Jin is meant to be the more well rounded Mishima. The identity of the character is important for choosing what moves to include

This might shock you but Kazuya isn’t Devil Jin.

​@@MrManguskazuya is not very well rounded, his df1 is i15, still no easy i15 launch like Jin and devil Jin.. I don't agree with anything tmm has said, In order to get ff2 a ton of great mids were nerfed.. Tmm is totally lost and he want kazuya to always be the same, his opinion is not factual it's just his opinion

​​@@jk844100the bottom line is Tmm is afraid of changes.. kazuya is not always supposed to be the same.. devil Jin lost his old df12 he has had it since T5, but he got other stuff, characters change, its normal..

@@KazuyaKai1012 you’re missing the point. Yes, characters gain and lose moves game to game but their general playstyle is the same. Kazuya has gained and lost moves over the years too but his playstyle has always been that of a high risk high reward mix-up character. He takes big risks and gets big damage or eats a big punish. Now his gameplay is that of a low damage, very safe poker. It’s literally the opposite of what he’s been for 30 years.

Don't be afraid of change

Nah he's just full of s*** Demon paw is amazing and finally he has a proper mid check

@@KazuyaKai1012I validate your opinion the most mate so I will trust you

​@@KazuyaKai1012finally a sane opinion from a Kaz main

Your opinion but it isn't facts

You're still butthurt over that beating in the lore..

​@@JustAnte9557 never said I was butt hurt just saying Kazuya deserves to be a little better

@@menmakazama1747 kazuya is good, but it's always easy to complain.. Skill issue in his case

​@@JustAnte9557 That's a lot of assumptions, where's the objectivity?

reina is the easiest mishima wdym.

@@KoufalKoufax do not fall for propaganda my friend

yeah im not fall from your propaganda@@Crazy8-uh4on

@@KoufalKoufaxdude what? She has like 130+ moves in her kit doesnt she?

130 moves in tekken is normal if you played the older games you would know.@@unkn0wnmortaL

they both used to in older games like tag 1. just didn't track

Almost everything track, thats the problem

Nah jin has f4 214 and df1 and a jab with insane reach they are not the same by any means

skill issue tbh.

My condolences for your boy

yes very true. the alternative was learning an easier character you weren't passionate about, which takes some of the fun out of the game

Destroying what long term fans of the series like about the game to appease hypothetical players who may or may not exist doesn't sound like a smart decision. All this does is create a game that's still too complex for casuals and is now too simple for long term hardcore players.

@@mosley3485 Hard disagree, Tekken becoming significantly more approachable to everyone under the age of 40 can only really be a good thing, game doesn't need to be gatekept any more than it already is

@@mosley3485 Video games, trading card games...all of these have done this tradeoff. And you know what, they became MORE successful. Bandai Namco is still a business after all.

@@arvinsim That depends whether you view videogames as an artform to be enjoyed or a soulless commodity to be consumed, I guess.