I Want to Be Excited Again 

I don't think it's an X3D problem, I think everyone's still real happy with their 5000/7000s. Honestly most people feel like GPUs are where prices aren't right. CPUs are very strong for a really good price right now.

“X3D doesn’t launch for another two months and my CPU is still too good, the horror”

Price creep is damping enthusiasm. A lot of us that used to be able to afford high-end are now left getting mid-tier or previous generation.

never ever gonna buy an all soldered desktop

The worst offender of jacking up the price would be RU-vid TV. It was like 30 bucks a month and didn’t have sports (which was perfect for me). Then they added sports and my subscription went from $30 to $80 in no time at all. Cancelled it right then and there.

If amd wants to win this generation by landslide, they should add anime waifus on the cpu IHS change my mind.

I believe CPU is down is because GPU's are so expensive!

their CPUs, especially X3D, are so good that I don't feel I need to upgrade for at least another 5 years. even the 5800X3D. it's hard to get excited about the new stuff when the old stuff is still great

Everything is too damned expensive. When I built my PC the entry point for a good gaming rig was about $600. Now I'm paying more than that for one component. I am priced out of being excited.

Instead of being excited about hardware now I get excited about doing stuff in my pc, like discovering and learning new software, new games, new configurations, installing linux, etc... I see little point of upgrading.

Well, I irrepairably scratched my mainboard with the IO panel end of a PCI-E card (I'm a dumbass, don't judge) and had to buy a new mainboard because of that which cost about $120. If I had to buy another 5800X3D alongside that because it was soldered, it would have been like thrice that. That's why the seperation into components matters, for repairability.

I assume the lack of excitement also stems from corporate nonsense. It seems that a lot of big companies are being caught lying, cheating and exhibiting anti-consumer behavior. I do not get excited putting money in the pockets of companies like that, so I try to make do with what I already have for a little bit longer.

So what we're seeing here is what happened to the smartphone industry not long ago. Every year is yet another upgrade which is faster, but do we really need the upgrade and especially at the cost. Why should I get excited about this processor when others will be released in a few months and a new "generation" be released in another year? TBH the most exciting thing about this release is this: will the previous generation come down in price?

I have a 5950x Running a Manjaro Linux desktop for pro audio production. I barely play games these days, and with how powerful the 5950x still is... I see no reason to upgrade anytime soon

I should see about a 45% increase in Handbrake encoding... if the benchmarks are to be believed, coming from the 5950X and I'm pretty excited about that. And since I game at generally GPU bound resolutions, the X3D parts just don't really matter as much to me, and they make little sense above the single CCD parts anyways, unless AMD can get them to work better without disabling the non-X3D CCD, make both CCD's X3D or make it easier to disable a single CCD when gaming. Would be cool if they could make happen automatically when you play a game. That's not getting into the reduced productivity performance, so it's really a compromise on both fronts. However, I get that I'm in a vast minority among the DIY PC market.

What do you mean by that? Windows gave us a lot of exciting features as of late. Windows Recall, Edge becoming default after update, ads integrated into the OS itself. I have to say that as a Linux user, it's very stimulating to watch everything unfold.

going from a 12700k to 9800x3d when it drops

Everyone's just waiting for what the 9800x3d looks like

I'm predicting the improvement of 9800x3d over 7800x3d will be underwhelming, because there's no jump from ddr4 to ddr5 this time.

cpus are actually at a point at where i dont feel a need to upgrade. The 5xxx and 7xxx series are so power efficient and good that i see zero reason to update. Every game i play in esports titles can get 240+ fps. What is the use case for better cpus right now for end users that just game and browse the web? I really don't see one right now, maybe some crazy AI tech on the horizon that actually makes it worth upgrading, but not yet.

#1) Economy sucks #2) We all clearly know that x3d is the best for gaming #3) There are absolutely 0 good AAA games that need a beefy cpus (subjective but come on, you know I’m right) #4) Emulation is the only thing but you can already get exceptional performance from a cheaper XX00x3d or i5 1X600k

modularity is important due to repairability and honestly later in its life you can normally get some better parts that are cheap whether its ram, hard drives/ssd, or even still putting in an add-in card to turn it into something else like a tivo etc... now i will say with minisforum with the small pc's / i'll be honest its a target audience i got one for my mom and the cost of it?? basically i got it for less than what i would have paid after all said and done for (the biggest thing) Power supply... the end of 35 dollar 650 watt 80+ bronze evga power supplies is done, next would be case, after that a windows copy ... that right there is most likely around 150-200 dollars minimum the miniforums pc i got?? built in wifi, 8 core processor with an igpu that is more than enough, all the usb ports she could need, a copy of windows - 32gb of ram, 1tb of ssd space all contained into a space smaller than a kleenix box and still have a slot to add another ssd. 375 after tax..... this is the reason the miniforums pc are doing good, it just sits underneath the new monitor my dad bought for her / i configured it so that it wouldn't use more than 25 watts so fans are basically silent - her use case is to check email, browse web, watch some youtube when working on crafts, and using it with her embroidery machine / it had the latest gen of mobile processors in it (just not the latest igpu.. which i think is one of the reasons for it being cheaper / 680m versus 780m) but yea... its exactly what my mom needs / and in a size she prefers so it doesn't take up space in her craft/office room

I’m upgrading for the first time in 9 years and I’m so excited to get my first AMD. It’ll be between the 7600X, 7700X, or the newer 9000’ versions

truth, i remeber how excited i was for windows 7 lol

AMD has to do nothing, Intel has shot themselves in the foot with their 13th and 14th gen chips.

my reason is 100% the X3D SKUs. I recently built a new PC and the 7800X3D was so discounted it made way more sense then getting a non X3D SKU. I spent the extra money on an an X670E motherboard so that I'd have things like PCIE5 for the remainder of the AM5 generation.

In 2010 it was interesting to follow smartphones, but in 2020 it was negligible. New Pc hardware have become less and less interesting since Athlon 64 X2 back in 2005. 2600K was a great CPU but nothing interesting happened before intels 8000 series and Ryzen added 2 cores. But adding 2 cores to 4 cores it not even close to adding 1 core to 1 core, that was night and day. Pc hardware still gets faster, but much much slower and If you have a 4 year old pc, it will probably do everything you need just fine.

I’m personally VERY excited for the 9000 series. I have a 5900x that has served me extremely well the last 4 years, which replaced a 2700x I had bought in 2019. The 2700x has been driving my TrueNAS Scale home lab environment that hosts my NAS and all of my VMs. While I don’t necessarily need the performance increase, I’m excited about the newer tech for the AI functionality, and will be upgrading my server with the 5900x to vastly increase its IPC and core count so I can expand my VM footprint. While I’m a big gamer, I also create content among other CPU reliant IT tasks, so the standard AMD processors that excel at workstation tasks have always been my preferred choice over the X3D line. I probably won’t buy the 9000 series right away, but will certainly be upgrading by the end of the year!

The problem is that motherboards have failed too often from everyone (MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte even Asrock which is one of the more solid ones), imagine buying the top tier cpus both Ryzen 7/9 and i7/9 and the motherboard fails because a stupid power control chip was upside down. Now you gotta change absolutely everything because you can't just take out your cpu and send your motherboard for warranty replacement. It makes no sense.

I'm glad I was alive during the greatest time to play video games. And I'm also glad that I am old enough to know when to call it a day. Games and PC hardware are just not the same anymore and maybe that's a good thing for society as a whole. Not only that, the desire to use my PC in a productive manor helps me learn new software, try different operating systems, etc.

Man I just wish I'm able to make my own PC before that stops being a thing... I still can't justify not using a laptop

Efficiency is super important.

Same as the last comment, I am on a 7800X3D and 4090. Even in VR anything I throw at that thing it runs it butter smooth. But I am going to upgrade to a Pimax Crystal Light with 2880x2880 pix per eye 120hz... but then again, the 5090 would be the obvious upgrade to run stuff at that high specs, not the CPU. There are probably games that benefit from the newer CPU's but I am not playing them.

PC's are well past the exponential part of the s curve. Outside of benchmarks hardly anyone can tell the difference between a 5yo one and a new one. Linus: Intel's project Christine is the future IMHO. The only mistake they made was not flipping it opposite to the gpu. Put a real socket on it and it would still be SFF, and upgradable

Well, the last generation of processors and GPUs had so many issues. Overvolted motherboards cooking RAM, overclocked CPUs bricking. Overclocked GPUs catching fire, ect.

I'm pretty hyped, the numbers compared to power usage are very good.

I'm currently rocking a 7900x and am planning on upgrading to the 9000 series cpu's. That being said, the fact that the motherboards aren't releasing at launch feels weird to me and is muting my enthusiasm. I got my 7900x and x70e crosshair extreme at launch. I'm not going to buy the cpu now and then possibly upgrade the motherboard in a few months when they launch. Plus with the motherboards not being out now I'm looking at potentially targeting Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales. Just a weird set of launch windows.

yup 100% the reason. I want the X3D version and willing to wait 6months - 1 year to upgrade from my 3900x

Tech has come so far. I don't need to improve on my 5600x...so much money for so little gain

11:05 But IPC IS gaming perfomance.

I'll be upgrading from a 6700K to a Ryzen 9950X, so you could say I'm pretty excited.

I’m GPU limited. Not CPU. And I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

The only gpu that needs a cpu upgrade is the 4090, a $1600+ gpu. Most people don’t need a better cpu, they need a better gpu

I'll probably get a Zen 5 CPU, but only because I could see it being useful for 3d modeling.

I also think that there is a lot of hype for strix halo apu’s, that their integrated gpu’s are going to compete with the 4000 series laptop gpu’s

*i9-13900H is not just a laptop CPU, it's a monster that shares the same sillicon as a desktop 13900K but without the temperature and stability issues* . The perfomance per watt is so much better, twice the durability of laptop zen 4 on youtube videos from Jarrod's Tech reviews.

An other thing i do hate about "stream game" oh internet down... Cant game, at least when you have game locally you can play offline anywhere

I'm super torn on modularity at the moment. I love modularity, it's super fun and it's great to be able to fix things or scavenge broken PCs for working parts, but in all honesty my PCs last long enough that by the time I need to upgrade it, I need to upgrade the whole thing. On repairability, good warranty can help and the sustainability aspect I'm not sure about because less modular systems would also require slightly less materials and energy to produce, potentially offsetting the environmental cost of binning a cpu/mobo combo rather than just the mobo in the 1 in however many cases that would happen. Also a less modular system could potentially be more energy efficient, yet again offsetting environmental and financial costs over its lifespan.

On my one MoBo I went from a 2700x to 3800x, everything else was the same. Lasted me two more years before upgrading the MoBo. Then a year later upgraded to a 5950x. I like modularity!

I boycott subscriptions and would never buy a soldered motherboard

I've been saying this about Game Pass from the beginning. And now LTT sees the light. After pushing it hard for so long.

The upgrade cycle for professional work stations shows that Xeon E5 v3 ( or there abouts) are being unloaded in heaps now. These bloody things can support cpus with up to 18 cores/36 threads. I picked up a p500 that was on the block for recycling and bought a E5 2698 v3 for $24 cdn.

For me the issue is lack of games. There are ZERO games which interest me. So why should I upgrade? My 5800x3D and 2080 handle every game I want to play just fine. I even was ready to upgrade to an rtx3000 series card. I got a new psu for my upgrade and then realised I’d be better off setting my money on fire

I think the reason wether modularity is or isn't there is much more about how much can you gain by NOT having it, i.e. what are the tradeoffs. I know Apple's not a perfect example since they've always been low on modularity, but they made the M1 and integrated tons of stuff but got a lot of power out of the change. I don't know whether integration was necessary, but the selling point is "well this is more betterer (powerful), so.... which one you wanna buy?" Well, 99% of people will go with the highest price-to-performance. They don't care about anything else

7950x3d is super cheap now. Buy that and upgrade later as AMD SUPPORTS older board for years

You should upgrade if you are using ddr4 ram, to ddr5. Then, wait until ddr6 cpus

I'm still really happy with my 5700x and 3060 12G. There hasn't been a game that's excited me enough to upgrade beyond that. *shrug*

I moved from a i7 7700k to a 7800x3d and my gaming performance saw 0% gains. My computer is bottlenecked by my rtx3080. We dont even need new cpus when anything in the past 6-8 years still works as perfect as any other.

Im the rare case that upgrades parts a lot I guess. This current PC has gone from a 2600x to 3900x to 5700x3d, 1070 to 3070, from 16GB 3200 to 48GB 3600 RAM

You kind of touched on it when you talked about the breakneck speed that all this stuff is coming out and being developed. I’m tired of keeping up with the pace of this stuff. Tech will always be cool but I’m so burnt out. No one cares about new software releases because Windows and by extension most all software has been iterative for over a decade. By the time I learn a new software, it’s GUI gets redesigned for some mysterious reason while new tools get buried because I’m trying to relearn how to navigate the tool I’ve been using every few weeks. Everything feels slightly too iterative and I’m too busy keeping up with all of that to be excited or bothered with some of the really amazing stuff

It's diminishing returns. I have no need to upgrade *anything* until (if) ray tracing can be implemented without a performance hit, and even then it may not be worth it.

I built my desktop 10 years ago. Every time I think about building a new one, I sketch out a build, price it, and then I ask the question "Why am I building this?" and I come up with nothing. Without video or 3d processing, a 10-year PC with a 5 year old GPU, is fine. Home computing feels dead for anyone but video professionals.

A lot of prices aren't dropping as tech evolves like they have in the past. Instead of lowering the prices of older hardware as new stuff comes out, the older stuff stays relatively the same, while newer hardware is even more expensive. You have to really go back a few gens to see real price drops these days.

The worst part is, if they make the entire system on a board. And its cheaper to just solder everything on and consolidate specs. They still wont charge less for this new "prebuilt" then the old ones.

I think there are two things - one is the X3D release date and then there is the 870e motherboards - not until September and the Asrock is only releasing 2 slot motherboards for enthusiasts?

I looked at upgrading recently and that idea died when I saw the price, and I wasn't even getting a GPU, that was just CPU mobo and RAM and it cost near double what my entire last system cost. I'll put up with VR at really low resolutions for a while longer I think.

My first computer is a 486 that runs MS Dos and Windows 3.1... so I'm pretty entrenched and invested in x86 computers. The Snapdragon powered Windows laptops appeal to me- let's start innovating in designing processors with IPC uplifts without the thermal constraints of heatpipes, water cooling and 1000 watt power supplies! Let's start innovating with APUs and processors with built-in HD webcam support so we can finally have Sony camera support in laptops!

Just bought a R9 5950X, its 800$ but been on sale for ab 350$ for awhile. Can you believe it? I feel so lucky and grateful

I've had the same motherboard since 2017 and my cpu I just upgraded to came out in 2021. And AMD is still making cpus for am4 😅

Still rocking my 5600x. Runs everything with my 4070 ti super 16gb

I'd defend modularity with all my power. But I also have to admit that having so many different product tiers isnt great.. I'd rather have 5-6 products per generation divided by desktop and mobile...or "high power" and "efficiency" and then let companies decide what they wanna use for their products

There's literally no reason to upgrade beyond Zen 3 for anybody. If you want to play in 4k, like a human being in 2024 should, you're fine with a 65W processor that's 4 years old because it's the GPU that remains the bottleneck. And even if you're esports / multi gamer, the performance advantages in lower res end beyond 120-150fps, which in these games is perfectly achievable on 5XXX series. The only people benefiting from performance uplift are those who need it for work, where there is never any limit to how much faster a CPU could be. But those are a minority. Most users, including gamers, no longer care. It's the next gen GPUs that we're waiting for.

Some people want and need small computers. Standard PC hardware is complicated to fit into small cases because the standard PC layout is so wasteful of space.

Re: soldered chips on Mobos, Over the last 10 years of being a PC enthusiast who’s built 3 custom systems over time. EVERY one of my motherboards have had USB ports die. If I get a soldered board and the same shit happens that would be Bullshit

Nice to see luke

I am thrilled about Zen 5. Upgrading the PC once at every 5 years makes the upgrade exciting.

Imagine getting into local LLMs and upgrading your ram from 16->32->64 and then 128GB over a few months. Not possible with my work laptop workstation. And it's my job there to work with LLMs...

I play my main games at 110fps at 4k, when I upgraded two years ago. No need to spend $$$$ to get get more fps. When I cant play my main games at 80fps will I even consider an upgrade.

Counter point: Framework Their approach to repairability is great, yes you are replacing the whole damn motherboard, but it's still got many single components!

I think the user base of computers is much larger than the upgrade audience, and that’s why upgrade markets are collapsing

It doesn't help that haswell and skylake machines still absolutely carry in terms of budget options

i hope lpcamm memory becomes popular at least

My CPU is the same Ryzen 5 1600x (oc’d tiny bit) i mean gaming on 1440p and a 3070 TI. Then when prices went through the roof. Made me realize I have basically no need to upgrade unless workstation tasks go crazy or games require more. I’d love to do a new pc build but like knowing that performance overall hasn’t really increased (unless I wanna just drop big $ on intels expensive ass chips and mobos)

Windows 11 has the same vibe as vista and 8. Intel has lost track with the melting CPU's, AMD gave up on graphics cards, and NVIDIA has a hyperfocus on AI. You're better of buying a PS5 and be done with it 😂

the r7 9700x is a big consideration for me. Im rocking a r5 7500f

People are not excited because it's a slight improvement again. Infinity fabric speed is still 2000-2133mhz. They had 1900mhz in Zen 2. Only cool shit they did since Ryzen 3000 was X3D.

I'm excited for it. It's time to upgrade my 9900k, Iol. I have a 6700xt, so I can get by with that for a few generations, but I'm itching to upgrade 😅

Are these for sale already? I checked a few hours ago and it redirected me to 7000 series

We're lazy and dopamine addicts

Zen 4 and 5 are all iterations of Zen 3 architecture. AMD used to do tick-tock intel style and Zen 3 was the last actual redesign. I'm pretty sure they're cooking for Zen 6 to introduce more cores by integrating -c cores to high end parts of the PC segment.

The Cloud is someone else's computer!

Im planning to upgrade my Ryzen 7700 to a 9900X, and I do alot of streaming and Gaming. :3

"There will be professionals that need the IPC and the 12 cores" It's 16 cores linus.

I'm still planning to get ryzen 9000 series seemed better then people send hype around I expect it to potentially surprise in gaming with lower processing delays

Hey commenters. My rm1000x psu has the fan stuck 100 percent all the time. Besides the noise, is there anything I should worry about running it?

probably a very common thought while working with linus

I think a big part of it is that Ryzen 9000 does exactly what AMD said what it would do, and nothing more. There's no hype around a 9950X performance leak, because you can look at the 14-16% IPC uplift, multiply a 7950X score by that much, and be basically spot on. It's the same thing, but faster. Normally that's quite exciting, but it's been known for so long that all any leak or headline can do is just confirm what we already knew. Arrow Lake was looking quite exciting as well. Tiled desktop chips. Ground-up new P and E-cores. ARC graphics (though small). The 14th-gen woes have put a damper on that for the community sadly. I'm still excited for it, but yeah it's hard to get excited about CPUs right now. On the GPU side, there isn't much hype either. Battlemage isn't going to move large volume. AMD apparently is trying the RDNA1 strategy again with no halo card. Nvidia is going to be the only option at the high end, and people are already sick of how much their cards cost, and are preparing for how much more they could try to charge when functionally uncontested. It makes it hard to get excited about GPUs too, when the options are looking like either a second mortgage or similar performance to what we already have, just a bit smaller.

from a hardware and software perspective it would certainly be easier to have single package things. imagine a unified ISA for an SoC with both CPU and GPU instructions. Graphics APIs are really awkward.

I love Ryzen, but I wish we could reach apple silicon single threaded performance. How is Apple so ahead of everyone?

I just don't care about computers or building them anymore. It's actually got to the point where I sold my desktop, bought a laptop, and I'm now even considering going over to a Macbook Air. I'm just done with the majority of technology as a whole and how invasive it has become in our day to day lives.