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@wisco_guy
@wisco_guy 4 месяца назад
You can literally see the slide rattle when returning to battery on the Legion. Unbelievable. Thanks for your honesty as usual!
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Mmmhmm
@jerrybrooks7883
@jerrybrooks7883 3 месяца назад
A lot of guns do that shake. It’s not a high dollar 2011.
@wisco_guy
@wisco_guy 3 месяца назад
@@jerrybrooks7883 Respectfully disagree. Some might rattle, but not to this degree. I’ve owned a lot of them over the years, the Walther PDP being the worst. Not as bad as this Sig.
@jerrybrooks7883
@jerrybrooks7883 3 месяца назад
@@wisco_guy that’s one gun. Mine is not that bad. I have a XL that has no movement at all. When I put a loaded mag in, no wiggle and shoots great. The 365 AXG Legion is a great gun.
@IMABEAST191
@IMABEAST191 3 месяца назад
lol what rattle?
@antiied
@antiied 4 месяца назад
I said I’d share my experience with the 365 Legion I just bought in an earlier comment. Love it. Only had time to put 300 and some change through it. No malfunctions, no change in the FCU to frame fit or slide movement as seen in this video. With the Romeo X compact, no problem hitting a 3x3 pastie square from 25 with shorter splits than my G19 with an RMR or my G34 with an SRO. It’s been a while since a pistol shot enough to my liking that it made me laugh like a kid laughing at his own farts in a bathtub after I finished each magazine. I agree on the trigger, wall was discernible with a rolling break that was predictable and I didn’t have to try as much as usual to prevent pushing the muzzle low and left than I usually do as I get closer to the end of the range session. I also picked up a 320 AXG Legion, shot that dude on the same day, had just as much fun. After I got home and cleaned both heaters, my glock 19 and 34 went into a pelican and will probably remain there until TBD. No buyer’s remorse whatsoever. I’d argue to make sure something isn’t broken in the review pistol and don’t pull a pistol trial where the glock broke mid firing schedule and was found to be broken afterwards, and they threw the baby out with the bath water and didn’t take into consideration that even though there was a broken part, it continued to run. Just my two cents, I’ll go back to being a nobody now.
@vfrrider74
@vfrrider74 Месяц назад
solid comment and review lol
@jordanduran1726
@jordanduran1726 3 дня назад
Update?? Any difference?
@antiied
@antiied 3 дня назад
@@jordanduran1726 nope. Put another 300 rounds through it two weekends ago. The 365 is so much fun to shoot. At ten yards, I chewed out a 2x2” square I drew on cardboard at .75 to 1 sec splits. May not be anything to write home about, but I was giggling about it the whole magazine. I’m not saying it’s better than other guns, I just like it more than everything I’ve shot. Ben Stoeger said it best in his 320 review video, paraphrasing, but if the gun speaks to you, and you like it, good for you. Run it. No regrets at all. Only thing I don’t like is the loaded chamber indicator venting gas on the optic. I’ll be buying another barrel without the LCI.
@codydeklerk3204
@codydeklerk3204 4 месяца назад
I have a p365 AXG Legion and mine has well over 1000 rounds and mine doesn’t have the same wiggle. Hopefully nothing happens to Chris’ new 365! Amazing gun and have no complaints so far with mine
@mrgoodkat8567
@mrgoodkat8567 3 месяца назад
Chris’s axg legion is an older style frame. The newest manufactured ones now have a pin which holds a metal spacer in place to keep the fcu secure. The pin is located at the top and just behind the pic rail. The older style axg frames all loosened up like this. New ones wont
@xx7legion7xx99
@xx7legion7xx99 Месяц назад
Where exactly is this pin located? I was going to pick one up this coming week but I'd like to make sure it's thw newer version. Is it visible on the outside or do you have e to break it down to see it?
@mrgoodkat8567
@mrgoodkat8567 Месяц назад
@@xx7legion7xx99 its visible from the outside. Its right above and slightly forward of where the front of the trigger guard meets the body of the grip
@Megzamani
@Megzamani 18 дней назад
How do you tell if you have which one.
@mrgoodkat8567
@mrgoodkat8567 16 дней назад
@@Megzamani read my reply to the other guy
@mbrick
@mbrick 14 дней назад
Do you have any links to show this? I'm trying to spot it to find one that is the new style frame and only see the pin visible in this video, just behind the pic rail.
@shazmodeus2795
@shazmodeus2795 4 месяца назад
Might want to check and make sure your FCU is seated properly and the pin at the back isn't broken. My 365XL has no rattle or wiggle loaded or unloaded and I have more than a thousand rounds through it.
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 4 месяца назад
Polymer or aluminum frame?
@Dozer111
@Dozer111 4 месяца назад
prolly the polymer frame
@mariotorano3781
@mariotorano3781 4 месяца назад
AXG is aluminum frame
@katana258
@katana258 4 месяца назад
these two dumb balls can not even strip the slide to check
@shazmodeus2795
@shazmodeus2795 4 месяца назад
@@Osprey1994 polymer, it's in the Wilson Combat XL frame
@ninjafamilyLetsgo
@ninjafamilyLetsgo 4 месяца назад
Another huge perk of the AXG legion over a build especially for an EDC handgun is it is FACTORY and looks a lot better in court if you ever have to use it for protection.
@carolinaboii1
@carolinaboii1 3 месяца назад
From what I've heard from an attorney that argument used by an attorney failed miserably. Colin noir also talks about this on his channel.
@Ca_Tule_Ninja
@Ca_Tule_Ninja 3 месяца назад
Yeah, another red herring that people like to talk about for no reason. This isn’t that complicated. Avoid a deadly event at all costs. If you HAVE to be involved in a deadly event…. Don’t talk to the cops, lawyer up IMMEDIATELY, and make no statements publicly or on social media.
@kauaiboy111
@kauaiboy111 2 месяца назад
Smart man 👍🏻
@carloschevere9335
@carloschevere9335 12 дней назад
Not true as long as you hit your target. If you miss and hit innocent you're in trouble regardless
@waldomere8554
@waldomere8554 3 месяца назад
AXG Legion is a shredder I’ll tell ya. Best shooting ergonomic hand gun ever made.
@wehrewulf
@wehrewulf 2 месяца назад
Yawn...
@nYdGeo
@nYdGeo 4 месяца назад
I agree, the spectre comp is a feel good measure. I've been shooting open-class pistols for over 30-years and I understand what proper chambered comps are and how they work. The spectre comp is a best a vertical vent that some gas will take via the path of least resistance. There is no chambering at all to build or control gas volume or pressure. There is almost no baffle area for the gas to push forward. My wife has a p365 XL Rose with the integral slide comp and in my opinion, it does nothing. Borrowed a standard p365XL barrel and put it in the weapon, negating the comp area completely, and the felt recoil is exactly the same. On pistols like this, I don't know if comps or ports are needed or even a good idea, but proper barrel porting will prove to be more effective and the better option. This is especially true on striker fired pistols as proper barrel porting will have zero effect on reliability.
@SavourySalmon12
@SavourySalmon12 4 месяца назад
I had FCU slop in 3 of the 4 P365s I've owned, but they were all polymer frame variants, so not quite apples to apples. Each one loosened up during the first few hundred rounds of being fired, mostly 115 and 147 ball and a few mags of HST 124+P. When I spoke with SIG CS they stated that they were still in spec and there was nothing to worry about. I eventually sold them and moved on to other platforms.
@angrysheepdog9744
@angrysheepdog9744 4 месяца назад
Yup the FCU staking is the weak link in this design. I used a brass shim to fill the gap.
@uptownju
@uptownju 4 месяца назад
Jake not understanding how gravity works is hilarious 😂
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
It was cold lol
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
😂😂😂
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Dude. I feel like Albert Einstein sharing the discovery of gravity with him in that scene 😂😂😂
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
Yep. FKN WTF LOL.
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
@1911syndicate "It was cold." So... the North and South Poles make the gravities... more strongerer? How does magnets??
@DRay-or4tc
@DRay-or4tc 4 месяца назад
I def approve of this concept, particularly for a Summer Carry Pistol. I assembled 3, P365s a couple yrs ago using Wilson Grip Modules, closed emitter Holosuns, PMM Barrel/Comp, WMLs and slicked up Trigger Groups. While I might prefer carrying a tricked out C2, I certainly don’t feel “UnderArmed” with the SIGs.
@locnetic
@locnetic 4 месяца назад
I love building my pistol from the ground up, made to my specifications. That's precisely why my P365 has an Icarus Precision frame, a Norsso slide, and an mCarbo trigger with a Javelin recoil rod. Having something you put together for yourself is incredible.
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
And that’s the whole point I was trying to make. Kind of cool that you can make what you want but if people are lazy about that and or just don’t want to wait for parts to come in stock this legion is pretty dope to achieve 80% of what the market is currently doing. Thanks for watching and commenting dude
@castrejonhugo
@castrejonhugo 4 месяца назад
@1911Syndicate I bought a CustomWorks 365 and it was tight upon purchase. Within 500 rounds it opened up in the front by about 3mm and tapers to a tighter fit in the rear. I called Sig about it and they said it is designed to do that over time but it will still be reliable. It is still reliable. I’m at 1,200 rounds in and no malfunctions. But accuracy on shots over 7 yds has diminished. It still can defend for EDC situations but now my tight spread at 10 - 15 yds has opened up by 3-4 in. Compound that in a defensive situation with adrenaline pumping and moving targets and I doubt I would place all lead on target. I’m looking to sell my build for $600 OBO.
@NikolayDenev
@NikolayDenev 4 месяца назад
I have a icarus precision metal grip module that was super tight when it was new and in the course of a couple thousand rounds also developed same kind of wiggle. It's not just the slide vs the grip module, it's the actual trigger module that wiggles in the grip module.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Yea. Not a fan of that “feature” haha
@Impaletheadl
@Impaletheadl Месяц назад
Did you get the polymer grip or aluminum grip? I was looking into Icarus grips for my Spectre comp slide.
@wutangzak
@wutangzak Месяц назад
Thanks for the honest review. The rattle stopped me from purchasing. The natural progression is that the gun malfunctions when you really need it, seem dangerous.
@731trident
@731trident 4 месяца назад
I recently picked up a P365 AXG Legion. I don't have the wiggly slide, because SIG is shipping these with a roll pin just aft of the rail now, and I noticed that your version didn't have this pin. The pin holds a steel insert which tightly secures the front of the FCU.
@DerekSommer
@DerekSommer 2 месяца назад
Any pics of this? I'm curious on what to look for.
@731trident
@731trident 2 месяца назад
@@DerekSommer I'm having difficulty sending you pics.
@DerekSommer
@DerekSommer 2 месяца назад
​@@731trident I believe you can create a post on RU-vid with pics. You could then share the link here. I had to test it because they don't seem to make it easy.
@thewalkindude7716
@thewalkindude7716 Месяц назад
I've had the opportunity to shoot 3 different P365 AXG Legions. There are so many things about this gun that I love. But it's the trigger that kills it for me, which has been the case for every P365 variant that I've shot. Heavy and mushy. Right now, the cheapest one that I've seen is $1,299 and for that kind of money Sig should've put a better trigger in it.
@csharp5032
@csharp5032 4 месяца назад
It’s definitely my new favorite carry. I have a couple thousand through mine no issue.
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Seems a couple guys had the issue we had in the video but 8-9 people in the comments have had no issues with theirs like yourself
@kevinborish
@kevinborish 4 месяца назад
I don’t know if the $1500 price included this or not but you also have to keep in mind that a custom works fcu from Sig will run you about $300-$350 and if you just use a standard fcu from a previous 365 you have well then you have to calculate the price of what that gun cost you. Although you can always send out your original slide to get ported and cerakoted and maybe save some money that way depending on if you have the xl slide or not.
@patrickcollins5945
@patrickcollins5945 4 месяца назад
I have about 1K rounds through mine, and I do not have ANY of that wiggle/play between the slide and frame. It's my favorite EDC by far.
@jonbenson42
@jonbenson42 3 месяца назад
agreed, 100% ..same experience
@Bigrig2020-c1d
@Bigrig2020-c1d 2 месяца назад
It’s all the standard sig hate for zero reason
@austindickson1671
@austindickson1671 4 месяца назад
Insane that you made this video today! I was JUST at my gun shop asking their gun smith thought about it! He says send that B back and have em fix it. Fingers crossed for customer service 🙃
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
So you’re having similar issues? Seems to be 2-3 guys having this issue in the comments but 6-7 that haven’t had this issue 🤷🏼‍♂️
@kutz0420
@kutz0420 4 месяца назад
Sig customer service is top notch. Worry not.
@austindickson1671
@austindickson1671 4 месяца назад
@Chrisblau I think 6-7 guys in the comments haven’t exceeded 1,000 rounds like I have though
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
@@austindickson1671 I can only go off what they said and it seems to be round counts of 500-1000 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
@PhillyBoii
@PhillyBoii 4 месяца назад
😂😂😂”I don’t know dog I don’t know bout that one”😂😂😂😂
@johnlocke3481
@johnlocke3481 3 месяца назад
As a complete amature shooter, I went to the range yesterday to test out a bunch of handguns and while this was genuinely the only one I liked shooting, I noticed the wobble immediately and thought it was wierd. The upper assembly wobbles like crazy.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 3 месяца назад
Very odd indeed. There’s a normal amount of play, but this is beyond
@wehrewulf
@wehrewulf 2 месяца назад
Amateur, not amature. Weird, not wierd. New to spelling too?
@richb7414
@richb7414 4 дня назад
@@wehrewulf uh oh, grammar police over here.
@Dodgerockets
@Dodgerockets 4 месяца назад
That slide to frame thing is even more of an issue on the plastic frames. You can really bend it apart and its even more pronounced when you got a wml at the end. The rail on the frame for the slide is located in the rear. This wasn't an issue with the 3.1 365s because it wasn't long enough to cause issues. As 365s evolved to pretty much compact sizes you notice these things now.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Crazy
@XuroX.
@XuroX. 4 месяца назад
People keep saying it's less wobble on the polymer ones, people don't know what they are talking about, it's all personal opinions lmao.....
@awdobsession717
@awdobsession717 4 месяца назад
@@XuroX.I own a Few variations of the P365, P365XL and none of mine have wiggle like the one in this video. I often carry an X-macro with the comp and it also has no slop. My X-Macro has approx 600 rounds through it. My other most shot P365XL is a Spectre Comp with approx 400 rounds through it. Maybe mine have not been shot enough 🤷🏻‍♂️
@chrisragone8785
@chrisragone8785 3 месяца назад
@@XuroX.And that’s completely your person opinion 😂
@RockinRack
@RockinRack 2 месяца назад
I have 2 xl versions both older models and one of them has been carried everyday for the past few years and at least 1000 rounds through it and only issue is some wear marks on the slide.
@xXDSimpon6Xx
@xXDSimpon6Xx 4 месяца назад
I would say just verify that the FCU is properly seated in the frame. As they have those teeth/hooks you have to get the fcu under in the frame. I have all 3 p365 x macro guns and the axg frame is very tight when taking the fcu out. Like stupid tight.. Not sure if that’s the issue but maybe a good starting point to figure out the issue? Also great video, but slightly disappointed as there was no top gear/grand tour style intro.
@DadHominem
@DadHominem 4 месяца назад
I started with a SIG 365XL (which I still have) and now use a SIG 365 X-Macro Comp. 17 in the mag and it shoots great, plus it's just light enough to carry all day and concealable enough for all seasons. Can't wait to see how the ported/comped EDC line of products evolve over the next few years.
@asphaltannihilator157
@asphaltannihilator157 4 месяца назад
Why? Your X-Macro isn’t ported or compensated. It’s got a fuckin cut in the slide.
@DadHominem
@DadHominem 4 месяца назад
@@asphaltannihilator157 Sorry you missed the sentence fragment answering your question. Here is it for reference: "...it shoots great, plus it's just light enough to carry all day and concealable enough for all seasons."
@asphaltannihilator157
@asphaltannihilator157 4 месяца назад
@@DadHominem I’m not sure what the fuck you thought my question is but your last line was that you can’t wait to see how the ported/comped EDC line of products evolve over the next few years. My question is why, because your current carry gun is neither comped nor ported and you just reaffirmed that you’re happy with its performance.
@DadHominem
@DadHominem 4 месяца назад
@@asphaltannihilator157 Your question was "why?" I answered it. Sorry you missed it...again. Best luck on your journey of understanding.
@asphaltannihilator157
@asphaltannihilator157 4 месяца назад
@@DadHominem You’re clearly incompetent and have poor reading comprehension. Bless your poor little heart. You should get hooked on phonics, bud.
@Fixxit65
@Fixxit65 4 месяца назад
Just watched another video, apparently, it’s the internal frame to grip module that gets loose, not slide to frame.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Hmmm. May very well be true, still not a good sign at all
@Bryan-1980
@Bryan-1980 4 месяца назад
@@1911syndicate you might’ve got a lemon. Every company has some slip through the cracks. Even your favorite 1911/2011 makers and yes, even Glock has had lemons get out into to the wild. I had unreliable Glocks and 1911’s, but the 365 I built myself still runs better than any stock gun I’ve ever bought at the same price as my 365 build. The only thing Sig about my build is the 17rd magazine and about 70% of the fcu. I’ve got over 8,000 rounds through its current configuration and about 14,000 rounds on that fcu and it runs flawless, not to mention still tight 🤷🏻‍♂️ I still don’t see why Sig gets such a bad name, especially when staccato has been proven to NOT be drop safe either. I put 99.9% of all ND’s on the users, from what I’ve seen.
@Duda4711
@Duda4711 4 месяца назад
The frame is the grip module and there is no such a thing as "internal frame". Did you mean FCU to grip module/frame?
@Fixxit65
@Fixxit65 4 месяца назад
@@Duda4711Oh, you’re one of those…..
@aintchorrollmodel182
@aintchorrollmodel182 4 месяца назад
That slide was moving not the fcu or grip. what vid were you watching?
@adamb2619
@adamb2619 4 месяца назад
Sig 365Xl with Wilson Combat grip.....happy man.
@jonnychavez1879
@jonnychavez1879 3 месяца назад
Yes! I have the Wilson Combat grip on my macro and it’s perfect!
@ghostfitness5605
@ghostfitness5605 3 месяца назад
I believe the xl is the perfect balance of size and shoot ability. I have the spectre comp slide and it’s a beauty
@ghostwolf4354
@ghostwolf4354 Месяц назад
Me too, on one of them... Waiting for Wilson to do an X-Macro grip with a safety cut for the Fuse...
@thechancellor842
@thechancellor842 4 месяца назад
I literally just left the gun shop 5mins ago with the p365 axg legion in hand. 😂
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
God speed
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 4 месяца назад
Unloaded of course, if you shake the gun in in a rapid manner does is clickety clack like a set of castanets? Lots of the 365s Ive had(5), the tolerances were dogshit between the slide and frame.
@reycangri
@reycangri 4 месяца назад
My EDC. Great shooting gun
@jtc406
@jtc406 4 месяца назад
@@1911syndicatebest possible reply 🤣
@jhartmac100
@jhartmac100 4 месяца назад
why tho, it failed in comparison to the ICARUS frame.........
@BagsEsquire
@BagsEsquire 4 месяца назад
Absolutely love my 365 Legion. Dead on accurate, not a single failure and unbelievably soft shooting. My legion doesn’t have that rattle and the frame can’t be pulled apart from the slide like that. Very strange.
@RepentorPerish77
@RepentorPerish77 4 месяца назад
Just ran mine through a training course shooting Gold Dot 124 grain and ball 115 grain.. I was AMAZED at how it handled the hot stuff
@therealloadedgun
@therealloadedgun 4 месяца назад
I have a P365 AXG Legion, and have put a few hundred rounds through it and it does not have any wiggle either.
@randyp6754
@randyp6754 4 месяца назад
The 365 legion is my first and only 365. Ended up selling my staccato cs because I actually prefer the 365. Albeit i have a c2 but still. Great video gents thanks for doing what you do.
@SigAXG320
@SigAXG320 4 месяца назад
Funny you say this...........I brought my Sig p320 AXG legion to the range this past saturday. My buddy brought his Staccato XC and C2 (with with RDO's). The XC was next level and might be the best shooting gun I've ever handled. The C2 was just ok if I'm being honest, and not only did the p320 AXG legion outshoot it my hands, but also in my buddy's, who had never shot the p320 aXG prior to that day. The AXG legion platform is simply outstanding for what you're paying.
@SectionChief
@SectionChief 4 месяца назад
@@SigAXG320 I have $500 and $600 dollar pistols that outshoot my Staccato's (C2, P, XC) from time to time (and some of them all the time).
@paullordi5154
@paullordi5154 4 месяца назад
My c2 puts a mag dump on a 10 inch 25 yd plate no problem doubt your 365 will do that as easy! I call you bs
@SigAXG320
@SigAXG320 4 месяца назад
@@paullordi5154 It took me about 5 mags or so, but by the last mag, the C2 shot fantastic. So it was me. But out of the box, the XC was an absolute cheat code by comparison. Having said that, don't sell the p320 AXG short -- it's pretty fantastic and even my buddy felt it shot better for him than his C2 (when accounting for limited trigger time). I obviously can't speak to the 365 AXG
@randyp6754
@randyp6754 4 месяца назад
I don't doubt it at all brother. I think a stock c2 and 320 axg turns into trigger vs weight and a comp. So it boils down to preference and what you value, like most things. But it's always great to get hands on and see what you prefer. I'm glad you enjoy your gun! ​@@SigAXG320
@jerrygolden832
@jerrygolden832 Месяц назад
Mine has not changed from new and I've also run it with my XL upper and there is pretty much exactly the same gap as in beginning, which is pretty minimal. As someone who has a close relative who is a Sig engineer I would highly recommend you call Sig after taking some automotive feeler gauges and giving them an exact amount of gap that has developed. I'm sure they will want you to send it back for evaluation and likely replacement of some components. It's definitely not normal and they want happy customers.
@joshuaf6837
@joshuaf6837 3 месяца назад
365 is SO good.I have a xmacro with icarus precision grip and custom trigger.. built it up from just the FCU. Carried a g19 for a decade. Also own a standard 365 which I carry. Maybe I'm being a lemming, but have prescribed to the idea that carry guns should be stock. When I picked up the 365, was blown away by how much more natural it felt.
@asensionmartinez9147
@asensionmartinez9147 4 месяца назад
Thanks Devon!
@NotMitch69
@NotMitch69 3 месяца назад
Zero issues with mine @ 1000rds through it. P365 triggers start tight but loosen up over time. Absolute favorite EDC in my Sig family even though the light-bearing holster makes it feel like a beast.
@christianmiranda23
@christianmiranda23 4 месяца назад
This is about the first gun vid ive watched in a while. Switched hobbies to my Harley and man, there are a lot of parallels. Stock is good enough, but aftermarket is almost always better but more expensive.
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Well thanks for watching dude we appreciate you stopping by. I’d imagine there is a ton of similarities with how many options of manufactures there are along with aftermarket support. Also this is not our best video by far take a peak around at some others and again thanks for stopping by be safe out there on the road. 👊🏼👊🏼
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
Hmm, Harleys and 1911s or Ducati and Beretta? BRB. I'm going to Rome.
@christoperdevore3617
@christoperdevore3617 4 месяца назад
@@handroids1981I’m a Harley guy, but them 80’s/90’s desmo Ducs were sweet.
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
@@christoperdevore3617 Hmm, I want to be a Buell and 2011 guy but I have Gromet and HiPoint funds. Send hlp plz
@oneshoeless
@oneshoeless Месяц назад
I was just looking at one of these. I think it just went out the window. Not spending that much on a "B" gun. I'm not sure I could give it a "B". I literally had to go check my Fusion and shake it! LOL. Tight as the first day at almost 1,K. I really appreciate the honesty.
@tomhoffman1665
@tomhoffman1665 4 месяца назад
My EDC is a 365x with Icarus X Evo alloy grip and mag floor plates, 3.7 theaded barrel, 507k, and olight mini balder with green laser. Feels great in hand and shoots fantastic.
@tomrkba4685
@tomrkba4685 4 месяца назад
RE: frame slop: Well…I have several P365’s. Queue Glock comment ;) “My 2004 Glock 19 still runs.”
@jonathanthomas8626
@jonathanthomas8626 2 месяца назад
So I bought mine on optics planet came with the Romeo X pro red dot, it’s the comp slide with the 3.9” barrel. I used my m18 barrel, I bought my p320 m18 used, added Wilson combat grip module, armory craft adjustable trigger, tungsten weights. I’m in it in total about 1300, with the red dot. So I’m 400$ cheaper. If I buy the AXG grip module then I’m same price.
@ChanceLaChapelle
@ChanceLaChapelle 4 месяца назад
I have a 365x with around 3300 rounds through it. Slide to frame play is about the same as when i got the gun. That rattle in the video sounds more like the FCU than the slide on the frame. I think the biggest difference is that metal grip because the tolerances have to be a little bit higher and that is going to be more apparent as you shoot the gun more. With the polymer frame there is flex and the tolerances can be very small. All that being said, that rattling does not sound normal lol
@RepentorPerish77
@RepentorPerish77 4 месяца назад
This gun will be my edc for years to come! Just ran it through a training Course shooting approximately 300 rounds in 90 NC summer heat and humidity. The gun was in the sun to the point it was hot to touch. It was flawless. It's a superb gun and the comp does help. It handled 124 grain Speer Gold Dot like ball
@JohnBailey-fk4zs
@JohnBailey-fk4zs 4 месяца назад
@RepentorPerish77 Great comment. I don’t think a lot of people understand that the “COMP” works harder as the rounds get hotter
@OMyGlock
@OMyGlock 4 месяца назад
People that say you can build this for cheaper have never tried to build one themselves. I am easily over a few hundred on my build compared to the factory MSRP.
@Minutes-Mils
@Minutes-Mils 4 месяца назад
I did, the cost of the custom macro is 1180 with no optics or light.
@Edc-Guy
@Edc-Guy 4 месяца назад
You definitely can build cheaper w/icarus or mischief machine grips. Especially if you use the cheap 365xl slides and send to port. They always quote msrp. Unless you’re dying to have something damn near everything goes on sale. The pain is the wait times. But monetarily it absolutely can be done.
@seandurns110
@seandurns110 4 месяца назад
Chris, you should just get that Langdon P30SK that you were toying with getting. Comparable in price, hammer fired, etc
@bowlinrl
@bowlinrl 4 месяца назад
My stock XMacro was the same way, very loose slide to frame fit. I swapped over to an Icarus Precision lower and it's stayed tight with thousands of rounds through it.
@mich7008
@mich7008 4 месяца назад
Waiting anxiously for my Icarus lower to arrive!
@bowlinrl
@bowlinrl 4 месяца назад
@@mich7008 You won’t be disappointed, totally changes the gun for the better.
@jonnychavez1879
@jonnychavez1879 3 месяца назад
Mine was the same until I put the Wilson Combat frame. Much happier now.
@chrisragone8785
@chrisragone8785 3 месяца назад
@@jonnychavez1879Yea the Wilson Combat grip module polymer seems much more high quality and holds the FCU tighter and doesn’t scratch as easily as the SIG OEM grip.
@89medic
@89medic 2 месяца назад
How does it feel in the hand? The reason I carry my x macro over any of my other guns is because the feeling is almost unmatched.. I’ve seen the Icarus precision and it looks great just worried it’s going to change my favorite feature about the x macro
@Kross8761
@Kross8761 4 месяца назад
I like that SIG has made the AXG legion, mostly because they FINALLY caught up to companies like Mischief Machine and Icarus Precision by offering an aluminum frame option for people who like a little more weight. Personally I have no use for the comp slides that everyone is so enamored with right now, I'd rather have a longer barrel for better velocity and ammo performance, and it's also impossible to suppress a comp'd gun. Shalotek has me more interested than anyone else with their "XXL" length slides withe either a 4.1" flush-fit barrel or a 4.7" threaded barrel. Full size gun characteristics in a gun that's still slimmer than a compact, I'm highly intrigued, swap slides and my EDC that I carry IWB can go in a retention holster on my belt for use with my carrier in training. Same gun, same handling, just more barrel and velocity (and potentially suppressed) I dig it
@antiied
@antiied 4 месяца назад
Bought one this past weekend, coincidentally. I’ll be trying to get to the range this weekend and see what happens after 250-500 rounds. I’ll come back and report on how mine performs/holds up.
@copper178
@copper178 4 месяца назад
I like my 365 variant better than the Legion 365. Mine is a short 365x slide sitting on top of an Icarus Precision 365 Macro subcompact aluminum frame. That thing shoots great and is also soft shooting because of the metal IP frame. 350 for the IP frame and you can buy a complete 365x for 500 ish, which together is less than an AXG Legion 365.
@d.michaelhogg6443
@d.michaelhogg6443 Месяц назад
I appreciate your review, as far as the lose slide I would contact the sig headquarters and ask them the why and because.
@donwaterhouse9630
@donwaterhouse9630 4 месяца назад
I have 1K rounds through my AXG and so far no such issues. I think I would try sending it back.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Yep that’s the plan
@thefatedking
@thefatedking 3 месяца назад
The vibe from the intro was on point. You guys have great editing. Great vid
@pugdad1248
@pugdad1248 4 месяца назад
That beginning beat goes hard
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Bump bump
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
As hard as Ashley at a Las Vegas weekend?
@patrickjacobs4999
@patrickjacobs4999 3 месяца назад
That is a slide cut, not a compensator. A comp expels gasses & would be on the bang side of the barrel , a slide cut reduces weight to the slide. Big difference.
@ShaunsJeep
@ShaunsJeep 3 месяца назад
Soldiers from temu lol. With highspeed gear. But you guys are spot on. I owned a 365 and for some reason the uppers would have so much movement. Mine with left to right. I had to get rid of it and the other issue is the hammer dropping randomly and as a edc was a no go. Went back to Glock.
@WaterZer0
@WaterZer0 4 месяца назад
Don't think I've seen any of your other videos, and you did a solid job going over most of the points. I was going to make a comment about the long grip, but it's literally snowing in the video; so you can probably hide a longer gun more easily there than most places.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
🤙🏻
@RTS907
@RTS907 4 месяца назад
I’m assuming they’re at elevation!
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
@@RTS907correct
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
They're a great channel. I recommend going to their channel page and select by popular. Their best videos are _probably_ their head to head videos. As in Hunt for Gucci guns. Various places. They have some amazing HK videos, with ... Handsome Model from HK America, they go into the Grey Room. And a brilliant video on the MK 23.
@user-pp5or5og4k
@user-pp5or5og4k 4 месяца назад
I have p365x and XL no slop or wiggle. Wilson combat grips, EPS carry optics, the rest is stock. I couldn't justify upgrading to the AXG.
@GuilePatrick
@GuilePatrick 4 месяца назад
Chris you shooting that Sig looks so smooth.... Makes me wanna get one..
@JadedGLORY2689
@JadedGLORY2689 4 месяца назад
I have a P365XL NRA Edition and it's been a solid piece since day 1 but I wouldn't mind upgrading to the AXG Legion version.
@Headcase650
@Headcase650 4 месяца назад
It's not wiggle between the slide and the frame it's between the FCU and the grip. The only thing holding the FCU into the grip is a little knotch at the front and a pin in the back. It's going to wiggle. Polymer grip modules probably have a tighter tolerance because the polymer will flex when you shove the fire control group into the module. As the aluminum grip isn't flexible I'd say they had to open those tolerances up which means more wiggle. That and the cerakote probably wore the more you shot it and made the wiggle more noticeable.
@CrazyLegz72
@CrazyLegz72 4 месяца назад
While you are probably right, you can literally see the slide and frame separating in the video. I have aP320 AXG Legion and it does the same thing. It's the only part of the gun I don't like. During dry fire you can see the rear of the slide squat and then raise up on the trigger break.
@atomicsmith
@atomicsmith 4 месяца назад
@@CrazyLegz72320s definitely have some slide play. 365s have full length rails and should have basically no play
@FoxholeIndustries
@FoxholeIndustries 4 месяца назад
My mischief machine module has zero play with the fcu or slide. Zero. It’s as smith and tight as can be. This realization about the legion has pretty much decided for me that I regretfully will not be switching over. I’ve waited for a legion 365 for 5 years and can’t believe I don’t even want it now.
@angrysheepdog9744
@angrysheepdog9744 4 месяца назад
I don't think that is the issue here but you are correct, the FCU staking is the weak link. Mine was moving forward and backward more than a 1/16" which transferred directly to the trigger. I sent it to SIG and they said it was within spec. LOL. I ended up using a brass shim to remove the slack.
@chevelle507
@chevelle507 4 месяца назад
@@angrysheepdog9744question where do you place the brass shim at? It’s something I’m considering myself.
@JosephLehmanSmith-sm5ni
@JosephLehmanSmith-sm5ni 4 месяца назад
Man I really appreciate your guys's commentary
@Minutes-Mils
@Minutes-Mils 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the shoutout glad I could help with the video. Absolutely love my 365, happy to see it featured on the channel 🫡 More importantly what's the rating for my 365 lol 😂
@anthonyjose5644
@anthonyjose5644 4 месяца назад
Looks like shit
@katana258
@katana258 4 месяца назад
what about your 1,600 gun falling apart ..how proud are you now ..its worst then a 1911 from 1919 in 2 world wars ..
@anthonyjose5644
@anthonyjose5644 4 месяца назад
Your gun sucks so does sig
@Minutes-Mils
@Minutes-Mils 4 месяца назад
@@katana258 oh no, my gun has 5 thousandths of play, i might as well just throw it away and buy a glock, damn....
@Aymeric-f1y
@Aymeric-f1y 4 месяца назад
This guy NEEDS some attention ASAP
@noeldaniel984
@noeldaniel984 4 месяца назад
I own this firearm, my hands are normal sized. I just cant get any of my support on the frame. Im used to a glock grip and mimicking that on this fire arm my support hand's webbing gets cut up by the slide release. I had to go back to carrying my 19, or LTT Berretta
@natetran
@natetran 4 месяца назад
same thing for me....i just didn't shoot the XL then Macro as well as my glocks, so they had to go...I have avg to slightly smaller hands....also, the trigger on the xL is dog shit.
@TheGunfighter45acp
@TheGunfighter45acp 4 месяца назад
What's up with that gap, Sig? I went the cheap, old school route w/mine: non-comped, hogue rubber grip sleeve (to cure the backstrap wobble), XS Big Dot sights (in lieu of limited rds options), and Go Guns rail mounted gas pedal (just cuz). All in, it's cheaper than my wife's rds & comped X-Macro, shoots just as flat, w/no muzzle blast, and I'm the only guy on the range w/anything like it, for whatever that is worth.
@THEVCDL
@THEVCDL 2 месяца назад
I have the P365 AXG Legion with several thousand rounds through it. The slide is still tight with zero wiggle. Not sure what the issue was with the gun being evaluated.
@jknewb6276
@jknewb6276 4 месяца назад
I just got one a few days ago, hardly a couple hundred rounds through mine. The federal Syntech 150 grain felt better than the 115 FMJ and 147 HP I shot that day. Going to keep looking for that 147 and up grain ammo and see which is best. Paid $1370 tax and all....I just thought for $500 more I could have a Bul ARMORY model... Having said that I'm not disappointed with my purchase I had a lot of fun with it that range session and only had a couple hundred rounds to shoot. I think it's definitely going to shoot better with certain ammo. @ 7:37 I went to check mine 😂.... like I said barely 200 but it's not like that it's tight almost hard to rack tight. It very could end up like that though. 😮
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Time shall tell. Hopefully not
@Bryan-1980
@Bryan-1980 4 месяца назад
I’ve got a standard 365, 365xl, a custom macro, and a full custom 365xl build with everything you can throw at it. From one ginger to another, the full custom is all metal and has no wiggle with or without the mag inserted. PS. made my own tigger shoe and trigger bar and replaced every single spring in the gun. No take up, and a super crisp 2.7lb break with forceful short reset. It’s my little striker fired Sig-ccato XC 🫡 you guys would’ve loved it
@TBSWORLD77
@TBSWORLD77 Месяц назад
Sig Legion x-carry owner an OG p365 love them both especially my Legion and I have noticed I do not have any type of rattle though as you guys say apparently I have an OG one with the short reset trigger. I feel for 12 the axg would be worth it but when you get up to 1500 for the other type of gun I think there's way more options out there for that pricing personally.
@Snapper314
@Snapper314 4 месяца назад
I believe the cheapest route other than getting an AXG Legion P365 is to get a P365 XMacro Comp, and then adding a metal frame. BTW, my P365X has over 1,000 rounds through it and there is NO slop or wiggle.
@matthew.tamasco
@matthew.tamasco Месяц назад
Wow. My 365 (a sample of 1) is tight as a drum. I hope QC is not starting to suffer being busy with govt contracts and all.
@007Chancellor
@007Chancellor 4 месяца назад
I'd def send that back to SIG for warranty. It should not rattle that badly.
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Agreed sir. Need to make that happen
@JbbJake
@JbbJake 4 месяца назад
That wiggle was the first thing I noticed vs my PDP Compact..
@Willypeters-cf3mo
@Willypeters-cf3mo 4 месяца назад
I switched out a stock trigger shoe and replaced the striker safety spring with a slightly lighter one, and replaced the whole striker assembly with a titanium one from m.carbo. The new striker has a slightly improved sear geometry and quite honestly blew me away with how much slop it took away from the break. My honey concern is the break is lighter than an old series 70 1911 from Wilson combat. Wanna fix the trigger? I hate being a schill, especially when I ain’t makin anything, but it’s worth it to me to inform y’all that you can definetly fix you 365 trigger if you feel that there’s room for improvement. There definitely is, and the one that I switched used to be the worst trigger I’d felt on a 365 yet.
@willy4869
@willy4869 4 месяца назад
I did the same upgrades on mine. Mcarbo trigger and titanium striker. A world of difference.
@rovermiles1
@rovermiles1 3 месяца назад
The reason you've seen this become a big trend is because of red dot sights. With red dot sights, you can extend accuracy where as before you were limited to short sight radius. Now you can easily hit targets at 25 yds with a subcompact pistol quickly.
@stevenevil8415
@stevenevil8415 2 месяца назад
I have been contemplating this gun vs. a custom build, and this video in particular just decided me on the Legion... because everything in that pistol is covered under WARRANTY. That said, I really wish they'd gone the extra mile on the trigger. I'll probably still invest in a sear control spring and Grayguns hybrid adjustable trigger. In my view, those parts should already be OEM.
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 4 месяца назад
I can speculate why the gun rattles, but without getting hands on it I don't know for sure. My custom build is rock solid, absolutely no wiggle or rattle. PS. I have a spare P365XL and my Shalotek XLC is notably softer shooting...like it weirded my out the first time I shot it. My Shalotek XLC is also loud...but I wear double hearing protection.
@josephmcbrien7646
@josephmcbrien7646 4 месяца назад
So speculate why it's rattling then you SOB
@jthrelf
@jthrelf 4 месяца назад
My 365 had rattle, I grabbed a new grip module second hand for $20 to try and it must have had better tolerances and rattle was gone. But that was a $4-500 gun, not whatever this costs at 1199 or so..
@wtmf80
@wtmf80 Месяц назад
This is concerning. I finally got my hands on a 365 Legion yesterday. Went to the range last night and shot 50 rounds through it, just to function check the gun and the 3 mags. It shot amazing and felt amazing in my hand. I just hope the slide doesn't loosen up like it did in the video here.
@In_con_ceivable
@In_con_ceivable 4 месяца назад
I don’t know man…a cz p01 all dressed up with a decocker. I’ll take that any day.
@jeremyread261
@jeremyread261 4 месяца назад
Thats apples to oranges
@JohnBailey-fk4zs
@JohnBailey-fk4zs 4 месяца назад
@jeremyread261 Yep. Not even a close comparison there.
@broderickcamel1701
@broderickcamel1701 3 месяца назад
that wobble is a no go. I was thinking about trading up from the macro but I think I'll stay put
@engineeringMemellionaire
@engineeringMemellionaire 4 месяца назад
the PDP also has wiggle but they call it out specifically as “stacked tolerances” to ensure that it runs in all conditions
@PkwyDrive13
@PkwyDrive13 4 месяца назад
The PDP is tight as hell compared to the 365 in this video...that thing has a LOT of wiggle. The PDP has a minor amount like Glock.
@syn4057
@syn4057 Месяц назад
At the price point of $900+, no thank you. I have the Taurus PT111. I replaced all the plastic innards, replaced the trigger, reversed mag release, tritium night sights, ported barrel, and 12+1rds. It shoot phenomenally. Started at $150, new. Added another $200. I’ll spend the extra $550 on ammo; which I pretty much did. My gun has o er 1000 rd/s, through the gun. Maybe I got lucky, with my Taurus. My other carry is my XD-M Elite. My first ambi gun.
@djblackruss
@djblackruss 4 месяца назад
My wife has one and it's dead on accurate, no wobble, and they have a sample size of ONE!
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Yes sir we have a sample size of one of we didn’t make that as clear as we should’ve that’s our bad. Seems to be in the comments that 5-6 guys had similar issues as us and 8-9 you are now 10 have had zero loosening and or wobble. How many rounds do you have through the wife’s setup? Also I loved this gun and would carry it 100% if it weren’t for the wobble. I was originally gonna give this gun a A rating cause I throughly enjoy it. Jake and I know nothing but we do shoot a fair amount of rounds and guns doing this. Never had a gun loosen up that much
@Charlie-gj2qx
@Charlie-gj2qx 4 месяца назад
I was gonna buy a p365 but I’ve seen some rust issues online recently, Sig needs to get their QC up if people are going to keep trusting them
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Dang really? I agree but also we give car manufactures a pass when lemons happen just cause we all know it’s a numbers game when you’re a giant manufacture. Sig is no different. Not saying I’m ok with it but you’re gonna get lemons here and there.
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Also. What if these guns were built using tooling that was almost ready to be swapped out but was still within tolerances 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ seems 5-6 guys had same experience as us and about 10-11 still say their gun is still tight with 500-1000 rounds through them
@Marty48034
@Marty48034 3 месяца назад
That rattle is crazy. I have a standard 365 that I have done a bunch of work to (before Sig was doing it all). NO RATTLE here and 1000s of rounds. Wow.
@other9293
@other9293 4 месяца назад
You can watch the slide bounce in a few of the opening video. Even more concerned it started tight and became loose with use
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Correct on slow mo you can see the bounce
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 4 месяца назад
Yep. I noticed that too.
@SgtChellick
@SgtChellick 4 месяца назад
I have an og 365xl that is completely stock with just shy of 3k rounds on it and it has always had a bit of wiggle. Not as bad as your guy's example, but a similar amount of play. It has stayed the same over the course of my ownership. That being said, i would like to point out that it is entirely fcu to grip module play, rather than fcu to slide fitment. So while it doesnt lend towards the "feel in the hand" aspect, i dont think it would affect accuracy or longevity or anything.
@paulallen6336
@paulallen6336 3 месяца назад
I have not experienced that wiggle. Great model
@matthewlong7073
@matthewlong7073 4 месяца назад
Fact. This search is certainly an obsession.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Indeed
@matthewlong7073
@matthewlong7073 4 месяца назад
@@1911syndicate curious what y’all are carrying these days!
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Never ending right dude? Been doing this a minute with Jake and before Jake and it’s been a never ending thing. I will say I always go back to a G19 or a G19x. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@SecondAmendment_2A
@SecondAmendment_2A Месяц назад
I have a p365 slide on a X Macro grip module with the ramjet after burner and put about 1000 rounds through it and I don’t not have that wiggle that was pretty bad !
@pro2amatt846
@pro2amatt846 4 месяца назад
As for availability, I can’t find one in stocks at my local stores. That thing rattling was weird. I’d check the fire control unit. To see if something sheared off. My x macro doesn’t rattle at all.
@kamikazekunze
@kamikazekunze 4 месяца назад
That crap gap is why I dealt my P365 away and went back to my CCO 1911 😂
@aintchorrollmodel182
@aintchorrollmodel182 4 месяца назад
My original P320SC in a WC carry grip is still tight after many years and several thousand rounds. No need for a 365XL edit: I also carry my Dagger Micro when summer cloths come out.
@blakemuro4633
@blakemuro4633 4 месяца назад
Thank you for getting back to me I will let you know a soon I get it back I have a pictures from a plate it’s in side The is a loose I send it to sig hopefully they’ll fix it
@blackswed4205
@blackswed4205 4 месяца назад
I was wondering if we can get a posting of the actual build list for Devon's p365
@rogerwarren7908
@rogerwarren7908 3 месяца назад
Another example of the stark difference between a purchased gun and a tuned gun provided by the manufacturer
@tonylashaw
@tonylashaw 4 месяца назад
I’ve had my 365 AXG Legion for about 5 months now with almost 500 rds through it and I’ve noticed the slide has become more “clicky clack” than when I originally bought it. While my P320 DH3 has almost 1000 rds with no issues.
@1911syndicate
@1911syndicate 4 месяца назад
Bizarre man. I seems fairly common
@washingtoncommandcenter5541
@washingtoncommandcenter5541 4 месяца назад
I'm all in on S&W, and this helps keep me content to my Shield+ ported PC and Spec series, and I carry a light, ARs though, I'm seeing some companies coming out around $3k now, and that is on par with the Gucciest build I've ever done, so at that point, I'm all for building one and getting exactly what you want over buying factory %90 of what you want
@gottalikenick
@gottalikenick 4 месяца назад
Awesome video! A good comparison to the 365 Legend would be an xmacro comped with an Icarus Precision Ace Macro frame. It removes that awful slop you feel in the frame and it feels AMAZING in the hand for the size it is. I hope get a chance to check it out.
@Chrisblau
@Chrisblau 4 месяца назад
Yeah those Icarus guns are awesome. My argument weather Icarus or someone else was for about 80-90% of what most people are looking for can be bought from the factory now but cheaper. Some people prefer that. So people prefer building like yourself. All that matters is you like what you like and you enjoy shooting 👊🏼👊🏼 thanks for watching and commenting dude we appreciate it
@gottalikenick
@gottalikenick 4 месяца назад
@@Chrisblau completely agree. Whatever you can afford and like, JUST TRAIN!!!! another fact to point out is that the 365 Legend is about $1300 to the average civilian (no discounts). The xmacro comped with an Icarus frame is about $1250. And it’s a better final product in my opinion.
@Bedbassandbeyond
@Bedbassandbeyond 4 месяца назад
365xl with icarus xl+ and pmm comp amd dpm recpil springs...done.
@LivingCRISP
@LivingCRISP Месяц назад
Sig released a 1.2 patch update for the frame jiggle. No longer an issue
@chrisjosekuehl
@chrisjosekuehl 4 месяца назад
I’ve handled the Sharps Bros and the Legion grip modules and the Sig is much more comfortable and fits in the hand better than the sharp bros, the sharp bros feels more squared at the edges and a little more bulkier.
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