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I think the real lightbulb for this owner is that in trying to make sure her horse was not afraid, she got so quiet that he couldn't learn how to comfort himself. They need to go through a little stress and a little fear sometimes to learn how to process those emotions for themselves. They'll eventually end up much more brave and confident than if you had coddled them the whole time. Kind of like how you have to push kids out of the nest at some point otherwise they won't grow their own wings :)
Update 4/21/23. Pardon me. I must disagree. One cannot remotely compare, horse brain processing, understanding & learning, to be the same as human brain processing, understanding & learning. I vehemently oppose encouraging humans to follow foolish notions. Its dangerous to incorporate such ill advised, incorrect, mentally damaging, confusing, abusive, ineffective, counter productive, nonsensical, backwards training methods. The horse has instantaneous natural survival instincts, of fight or flight. Two absolutely lightening fast instincts. Triggered by stress & elevated to fear. It begins when humans are inept, & lack critical knowledge & understanding of how the brains are wired, & how very different horses think. Its critically imperative to know the unbelievable quickness and enormous power exerted by a horse in a panic. Its very important to understand body language and how to detect & prevent. Know that each horse has different tolerance levels. Different past experiences. What one horse understands and tolerates, has nothing to do with a different horse. Never assume anything about horses. Do however, assume correctly, the human cause of all behavioral issues with horses. Carelessness & lacking education & knowledge of the horse's mind, means that you have no Horsemanship. Beware & expect the unexpected to occur, following the horse's brain triggering an alert, & instantly instilling fear, dumping adrenaline, & causing survival, reactiveness. Congratulations! Now, you've successfully caused confusion & worry & fear, which means, that whatever happens, including dangerous behavioral problems, please credit yourself. You've successfully taught this to the horse. The horse has learned. And, if in fact, you've tried to "Teach him a lesson", "Throw em into the deep end, to sink or swim", this would indicate your lack of experience, & knowledge, of how the horse thinks. Do not stress a horse purposely, or mishandle the horses mind & body. They don't forget. They won't trust. And if a mistake is made, you must have knowledge & wherewithal, to properly & effectively correct, within seconds. Otherwise, the horse cannot & will not relate, to anything. Except, confusion. Get a professional. Then, study & learn. I'm not exaggerating. A seemingly subtle miscommunication or negative experience, is a building block. No horse learns what you want, when you don't know how to ask as a competent, trusted leader. Don't give or take advice, unless you are prepared to accept any & all consequences. Horses are wonderful and worthy. Make sure as a human, you are too.
@@ryanrosehorsemanshipthis is my story! Bought an OTTB, he was 4 years old, bucked me off several times. I was a green rider- new owner and this was my first horse. I finally found a great trainer who helped me turn him into a wonderful cutting horse and a trail horse. I had him until he died. He was the best horse I ever owned ❤
I know it is a serious lesson, but Jimmy’s ride was too much. I will be laughing about this whenever I think about it. 😂 Ryan is amazing, all his insights are so understandable when he explains it. 🥰🐎💕👍👍
@@cathiwim I promise you this isn't new. I just wish mom had understood she could have used a stuffed animal for the job and that, "Laughter is the best medicine," isn't true in every case. 😉
Henry is a lovely horse, the lady who has been working with him has done really well but I agree that you can’t just be slow and calm around them, it’s sometimes difficult to want to increase the pressure when they seem so scared, great to see Henry start to settle under Ryan’s work with him. Thank goodness they put a body protector on Jimmy 😂, Jimmy flapping his arms was absolutely hilarious. I think the need to send the teddy bear off to the four sixes ranch to learn more 😂❤🇩🇰
Such a pretty boy. Jimmy bear's arms flopping was hilarious! The best time to teach a horse how to manage a stressful situation is before my butt touches his back IMO. If you have a horse get wrapped up in a fence (doesn't even have to be your fence), have an accident with a trailer or have a tornado flatten your barn, you will be so thankful you taught them these skills! I've seen all 3.
How wonderful you got henri to calm down...he learns rather quickly..smart boy, if the owner does these exercises slowly, he will never forget it...just an insight Monty Robert's always used a weighted stuff like person in the saddle, as you said, to get the horse used to having some thing higher than his head..I am sort of old school in that way , many years ago when I have trained our own horses, I would stuff burlap bags, tie to saddles, tie aluminum pie pans to the stirrups, to the reins, and pails dangling off of the saddle, abd leave them in the paddock for a few hours each day.., at that time in the day there were no flags, or carrot sticks.....or even commercial horse feed...I done the same with my boy on side passing just like that , but I used my finger...my boy is all body language trained ..no need for a halter, no bit, no stick, no lead rope..I guess this is called at liberty...but this does make for a wonderful partner
I have a 16-year-old thoroughbred on her third career (she pretty much failed at racehorse/broodmare). She was lucky to be raced sparingly by her owner/breeders and she's sensible, sweet, not at all reactive. But I trail ride and her issue is some separation anxiety. Great going out, full of fire going home. I've applied some of Ryan's techniques and it's helped. We went through an open equipment shed recently; i did it to distract her/slow her down but I realize now that also gave her confidence. She walked into a scary enclosed place, looked around, nothing happened to her, and she walked out more calmly -- confident! -- than she walked in.
I trained horses for 35 years professionally. I used my dads flight suit and filled it up....strapped it on. It worked really well for weight, and getting the horses not to be scared seeing something out the corner of their eye. Good job. I like the stuffed animal...
On the topic of being underexposed, my Dad and I always try to be as normal as possible with our movements or as we like to say, not hiding our gross human behavior. They need to learn that our normal movements do not mean anything and to look for the body language that we teach them that means move. As as for the horse being sensitive, it's one of those counter intuitive things that most people will think they need to be de-sensitized but what they actually need is to be sensitized to reset their meter back to the middle. Finding Zero as we say. You have to escalate on them more than you would so that you can essentially make it much more clear between asking them and not asking them to do something.
Absolutely, you have to find the starting point and feel your way, recognising just how much to push the boundaries so they learn self control through creating confidence and understanding. Great video.
He was so frightened and had anxiety and as you spend time with him, he started to unwind and calmed down. I love ground work and he will be a better horse with this work. Great job Ryan 👍.
Henry's gorgeous, and touts such a hydrated, shiny coat! ❤ He's so sweet, and smart. And, I'm reminded to BREATHE! 😂(I'm an introvert, too 😁). I'm fascinated with the introvert-extrovert addition to my meager knowledge of the equine nature. Thank you, Ryan. Learning alot!
Well done again Ryan - - - tapping his abdomen, getting him to lower head to get relief - -- really good! & hats off to you. a person working with the horse needs to see those really slight early "gives" of his head lowering taht is the key to see the horses "Gives" Thanks V.
This is a great reminder for me to not be too quiet 🙂 I have a hard time with it because I'm not naturally high energy, so it's good practice for me to bring it up to a 6.
If you were any more savvy than you are, then I just dk what!!!?? Your knowledge never ceases to amaze me! Inspirational talent of; observation, visualisation and emotional connection!!!! Recently had conversations about your skills in the local grocery line. Much respect Sir.
I had a horse that had poor saddle fit and when even before I attempted putting the saddle on my horse ( who is now retired) would flip her head in the air and freak out. What it was was kissing spine that was found upon X-ray that she already was prone to and had sustained an injury from poor saddle fit from a saddle recommended by a trainer at the time and never recovered from it.
This is really helpful. Thanks mate. I thought about this in my groundwork session with the girls today and it helped to tune me in better to their feelings of tolerance as opposed to acceptance. Good job.
I know when someone's good when I can't wait for tomorrow so I can get the pony girls out in the school and do some groundwork. I also like the fact he talks about the dreaded ego. The greatest challenge to becoming a good horseman is our ego. Sadly some of us never realise this to our detriment and to our horses detriment. I have a name for what afflicts a damaged horse, egotitis. It occurs when too many egos have come into contact with a horse. It's curable but not a task for the feint hearted and guys like this are a blessing from God to help us on our journey 😊Thanks mate but don't let it go to your head! 😄
It would be great to see follow up videos posted by the owners/trainers to see how things progress with these cases. I had a horse like this. You’re so right. They teach you to be quiet around them when you need to help them become accustomed to the noisier stuff that happens. Lovely video. Thanks 🙏🏼
I’m preeeeetty-sure I’ve seen it all NOW..”Be careful Jimmy!” In all seriousness though, I do think the ‘under-exposed’ aspects of his time here..although I understand it..has a lot to do with “accepting” a bit more pressure. It’s a balancing act to say tbe least. YOU do an awesome job Ryan, gotta tell you..
My horse does this same thing! I am training him on ground and he gets scared easily. I have used some of these methods and it’s just about using them at the perfect time. It’s all about timing, for us. I also have to get that rope! I’ve been thinking about that for a while.
Great video about how important foundation is. I just want to say that I have used a large teddy bear before I rode a horse I was starting, but not to replace me because I was afraid. I was allowing him to see someone behind and above, and seeing the reaction and recovery before moving into actual riding. Also, it is just fun for the humans to watch 😆.
out of curiosity did they ever try a different saddle? if im being honest it really doesn't look like it fits his back all that well and if he was a sensitive horse it could be applying pressure or pinching in a small area that may not always constant but when it does, it could trigger the bucking and would also explain his reaction to the saddle even going on his back. ive worked with a lot of horses over the years and generally a response to the saddle like that is a pain driven or fear one. sometimes the problem isnt something over complicated but something easy and just overlooked.
The thing with Jimmy is he is the embodiment of the flooding technique which is pretty useless in most cases. Flooding causes tolerance and that tolerance has a limit. What Ryan is doing is pressure and release, specifically not when the horse does the exercise right but when the horse softens while doing that exercise which will help train true softness. It teaches the horse to start seeking that softness and look to the human for relief instead of getting caught up in the exercise itself.
I am so encouraged and impressed with these videos, the information etc. I grew up with ponies and eventually horses I was a veterinary technician in the Army for 20 years and worked with horses rented out by morale welfare recreation fund people to provide a recreational outlet for soldiers and my very first I bought him all by myself horse was a yearling from a kill buyer that I did not realize until a few years later. Banner and I grew up together. It is because of Banner that I learned a lot about horses with difficulties, PTSD, rescue, other situations. I have learned for me personally as well as helping others as I hope we have foster horses and rescue horses to prepare them for the stupid I have to be stupid. I know that maybe harsh but I have found that there are so many horse owners that unfortunately may not know better or understand and I learned that I needed to do extra dumb silly things with a horses to prepare them for other things. I have been to different kinds of horse clinics conferences events etc I have watched Carson James and double Dan and a few others but I have not been able to really connect so well as I have with you. The practicality and all that you put into the horses is so incredibly real and from the horses that I have helped save from kill pens on their way to auction and slaughter to our little place and we having them is a huge thing with their rehabilitation. Building up a rapport, a trust and then letting them know that no matter how big and ugly and stupid things may get whether it's a little plastic bag or a big tarp ropes getting caught around their legs etc Your horsemanship has been huge and an encouragement. Last year I had the honor of a dear friend of mine asking me to help her with boarding and fostering a couple of horses that were recently rescued by an equine center to use his camp horses for rides and such. I found that these two horses when I brought them to my place had very little hands-on experience. One horse was a big fat lazy horse that knew very little but he was able to be petted and loved by all and not very spooky. The other was a very large 4-year-old quarter horse that initially had been bought by some guy up in Michigan or Minnesota to be used as an elk hunting horse. She was incredibly reactive and dangerous. I had to get tough and rough and just run her through the damn it ponying her on another horse going through the fields the pastures and just letting her experience life and figure things out. within the time frame of a couple of months and her learning through stuff She and I bonded in a way that is incredibly special that a few horse owners get. Beautiful Scarlet who we renamed Charlotte continue to grow and explore bigger and bigger with her size. A super sweet horse eager to please came from being an incredibly dangerous reactive horse to a very sweet horse willing to be a friend and a pet and a companion. Ryan Rose, THANK YOu.
In Australia some of the old horse trainers used to bag frightened horses.........holding a sack or something like that and run it over his back, around the legs, underneath the belly etc....eventually around the head and so on........just a bit at a time......worked really well 🥰🥰🥰
You're using negative reinforcement to teach him to recover. I saw a man use negative reinforcement to teach a horse to pick up his hat and bring it. It's so powerful!
@@sarahwagland1559 yep, you're right. But the lack of pressure isn't positive reinforcement it's just the negative part of negative reinforcement. In operant conditioning: Negative = taking away Reinforcement = making a behaviour more likely to happen So when we release pressure, we're making a behaviour more likely to happen. E.g., leg on, horse moves off, release leg - horse more likely to move off. I use positive reinforcement in my horse training just like in my dog training but for horses it's WAY more about negative reinforcement because it's near impossible to communicate to something you're sitting on at a gallop that it's getting a treat haha Still, I think you're saying it's about teaching them how to avoid most pressure and I agree with you.
If the horse is going to buck (or do anything weird) you will know before you get on if you are paying attention. Then you figure out what the real problem is and fix THAT.
