I Was WRONG About Modern Chun-Li 

Haitani opening our eyes. Hope he busts out the Modern Chun and sweeps EVO. The salt would fuel me for generations

Your continued support for the Modern community is outstanding, thank you Jiyuna for speaking for the many few!

Those fireballs charged faster in modern, but it was a bug that have been addressed. From the patch notes: There was an unintentional difference between Modern and Classic controls in the charge time required for commands to be completed or to be charged, so this difference has been fixed.

People always underestimate Chun-Li. And as a Chun main, I appreciate it

I’m a Chun main in Classic, and seeing that walk-up DP might make me a convert!

Haitani's random + modern to master rank was awesome to watch. For people who don't know, Haitani is one of the goats. Damn I miss his Makoto in SF4.

Chun Li is kinda hard to play so I might try modern for a bit. Sako also has almost 90% win rate with her as his main, Chun Li in general seems to be really strong if 2 of the 5 gods are playing her and getting great results.

Another strong merit of Modern Chun is the one button TK Light legs. It's so good for punishing throws and control the air, as well as bait DPs/anti airs by changing your air momentum

They did buff modern after the patch, Jamie got a 4 frame button now. So if anything, they might improve modern because some just are missing core stuff like Deejay.

I think in the west people are committed to max damage, combo damage and hypothetical flexibility. In the east, particularly Japan, there's the fighting game culture difference to think of strategy and what you should do as a consideration above damage potential, even at lower levels of play. Probably an arcade derived thing since it's more conducive to winning than all the times we as children just wanted to learn how to do super moves and that one high damage combo because it looked cool when playing PlayStation. Just a theory, but i think that's why the Japanese players are more open to Modern. It's different flavours. My scrub western brain thinks Classic is stronger overall because of the damage and hypothetical flexibility from full moveset. But Modern is 100% tournament viable and the option to use motion commands situationally while keeping the instant option means a lot of the damage for punishes, particularly with supers where the 20% damage reduction is noticeable, is really strong. But there are ground rules (no pun intended), if they have a dp and they're playing modern you have to stay out the air or bait it. Non-negotiable.

I love modern. I’m too old and don’t have enough time to grind and practice execution. Modern makes it so that I can jump in after not playing for 2 weeks and get right back to where I was. Modern life baby!

Modern Chun feels like an older version of herself with a different playstyle and matchup spread vs Classic. I think I like it, since it emphasizes more on her kicks.

POV: Fighting game enthusiasts discovering accessible control schemes for the first time in their lives.

Chuns stance mechanic trickery is fun as hell! I haven’t even tried modern. I feel bad for the classic competitors. Glad to be an extreme obsessive “Casual”

FYI: This was because the charge time was shorter. Along with the other info you mention. This was changed with the Rashad patch. Not sure if it was intended but they seem to changes to a bunch of characters in modern in this way.

I'm starting to believe that modern is what the game is based and designed around - I see it as Modern doesn't have a "20% damage nerf" it's that classic has "20% damage buff" - you don't "lose moves" with modern, classic has "extra moves" - I think we wrote it off too early - that's just how I see it now though I'm interested to see how things turn out

5:48 lmfao Jiyunas anime protagonist panty shot freeze frame powers still in full effect I see. Also with the new nerf on Chun I'm interested to see how it impacts Haitani's modern Chun or if it stays relatively the same.

I didn't pay too much attention to the video because of those stylish shades. You looked cool with them on.

I went from iron to gold on classic, but switched to modern in gold and went to plat on modern. Modern is slept on and people with their biases write it off for virtually no good reasons beside the fact that they just dont it. Lol. Yeah you lose some stuff, but just the fact that I can in a more reliable way do my combos, focus on footsie,reaction, and react accordingly with the fewer options that I have OPEN me to MORE options and a more stable game plan since I don't have that .

It looks like you can still do all her main bnbs

I want grand finals at Evo to be Sako with the classic Chun-li Vs Haitani modern Chun-li

Check out the CFN tab in-game and search Master Modern players for any character, there are some really good ones. I found out what a Chun Modern Master can do in just a few weeks into SF6

tk air legs is a normal tk input - 2369 LK. It might be even harder to input it properly using a modern shortcut then to just use the tk input, because you'll have to time it.

def needa revisit the modern tier list at some point

As a diamond 2 classic chun li main I will now blindly follow this example and abandon all individuality 🫡🫡🫡

I know this is a modern chun li showcase but I'm taking notes from that cammy at the end lol

At the end, and who needs all the normals? If you have an answer to all fundie situations, you can win

I (on Marisa) fought THE world's most annoying Modern Chun recently and my god was I titled for a hot minute. I felt like I had to be tight and solid every step of the way with blockstrings or whatnot cause every opportunity, no matter how small the window, it seemed they could just reversal or Super me. It was stressful for sure.

They did a good job balancing what modern actually means. They shaved a big chunk off the skill floor by making some aspects more confidently reliable. They shaved off a decent bit of the skill ceiling by taking more esoteric aspects away. What you lose in options and damage you gain in consistency and reliability. Chun is a really good example if you look at stuff like in Classic she gets anti air stHK into stance sweep juggle that does incredible damage, but requires spacing and execution. In modern she gets the motionless tensho kicks that still requires spacing and awareness. I think its debatable whether whats lost and whats gained makes one or the other better, but I think everyone can see that there are pros and cons depending on each character. Rather than flatly "simple," they really are streamlined or modern versions.

We are really sleeping on modern controls..! Love your videos..! Great stuff!

I think it's great to see more people use M-Groove!

You can keep charge while throwing classic fireballs. You just need to move your stick to back before you press the punch button so you would be charging asap

Any good modern cammy guide out here? I stuck at diamond 4 as modern Cammy, really want to try hard reaching master rank but getting diamond 3-4 back and forth demotivate me :(

you should make an updated modern controls character tier list

"Legs are so good." Bro, those legs are monumental 😂

Decided to give modern chun li a try and made it higher than I have before in ranked. It’s sf5 again for me. Don’t stray from chun li

SF6 should just give classic the modern buttons and let modern have the classic buttons. Let me map the parry and dr to modern super and modern special. Basically just let players have everything they want so it comes down to skill

not having to press forward in modern for charge fireballs is ridiculous...they need to change that

Man, these are macros...how they tossed on the dartboard and got "20% reduction dmg" and said "it's balanced" is beyond me. The moment they allowed both to be in the same online pools and tournament legal they fucked up

Always said Capcom would have to deal with the can of worms they opened out of a grotesque lack of foresight. Modern's shortcuts were _only_ ever intended to be a way to ease in a large casual audience. Otherwise they simply wouldn't have paired them with reduced options, because doing so manifestly lowers the all important hype factor of sets. So too does the scenario where somebody on Modern has a level 3, forcing his opponent to literally turtle and try to tease out a whiffed Super... which is f---ing boring as hell to watch. My guess? Capcom will simply give Modern shortcuts to everybody, including Classic. Terrible option that they've unfortunately backed themselves into.

Why did they call it modern? This seems to imply an advance, which is pissing off the classic guys. Maybe, "simplified" would have been a better, neutral, term?

Been saying that - if you can do inputs, Modern is godlike.

Modern Chun Li has legs

They need to have a Modern controls tournament.

I think that the only reason high ranks have no modeen bc peoole who are experienced in FGs default to classic bc we are used to it. But i wonder how it would be in a simulation whete sf6 is the first fighting game of all time and no one has any predispositions.

If Modern is usable, I think it should just be considered another layer of strategy. It's not the first time we've had a game where choosing different versions of characters came into play. I know it's not completely equivalent, but it reminds me of how you'd have to play differently against a character based on the ISM they were using in Alpha. Honestly, I feel like airblocking is a crazier addition in some ways than instant supers.

What do you think of the nerf to modern charge time? Haitani was abusing the difference in charge time for a little and I think it will effect his play dramatically.

this is my first time seeing the dude show some emotion.

In one of Haitani’s most recent vids, he talks about the new changes to charge frames in modern, but I’m not sure what he’s saying since I don’t understand Japanese. Did he say modern Chun is dead after these changes? If anyone can translate, thank you in advance!

Chun-Li has been my main since I was 6 and the modern controls for her, she's a menace

Been playing Street Fighter for 4 years now. This video has convinced me to try playing Modern for a bit. Gimme them instant supers.

5:49 is what we came for The Chun Li in the thumbnail is so cute❤… almost shoujo

Modern charge was also shorter for some reason

Modern controls are amazing. If you're neutral game is strong you don't even miss those lost buttons. I'm not a super star or anything but I'm Platinum with DeeJay, Dhalsim, and almost Rashid. Those aren't even the best modern characters. I love Modern, and the only people complaining about it are too scared to give their CFN, and most likely Bronze, or Silver players tops.

Well recently modern has not been tapped to it's "full" potential as of late in tournaments so I'd lower my expectations whenever I see someone using modern in tournaments. 😅

Now I play everyone with Modern and I am only ranking up, even with Chun-Li and Manon

And here i am busting my ass re learning classic cause of DBFZ and the fact Modern were being clowned 😂. Love the FGC man

Modernchads keep winning

They did nerf Modern Chun's fireball by making it take 5 frames longer to charge (was bugged to be 5 frames fast). We'll see if that nerfs his playstyle too much.

We need an updated modern tierlist after evo

I think at this point we gotta admit Modern is legit. In fact we'll start seeing more people using it in tournament soon enough.

I currently play classic Manon but the call of modern Chun is strong. Hitani's evo run made me a believer

So do people still play with their arcade sticks on modern or what is the go to?

This is what a video game addiction looks like

Commenting on every video requesting Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 47. Chun (my main) def has some sauce in this game. Also Modern Rashid when?

Is modern cammy viable too? She loses some of her best normals, but gets similarly good stuff with instant divekick, dp, and supers.

I got to gold using modern ken with 50hrs of game time, first ever fighting game. Regardless of what controller scheme you use the skill gap in this game is huge, I promise modern controls aren't the thing holding you back in ranked lol

We love modern gaming! The future is now.

From arcade stick to pad to hitbox/keyboard to modern controls, I wonder whats next.

Walk forward down down is nice

I went platinum yesterday with Modern Honda, I know I wouldn't even have come close to gold in sf5, so god bless modern control 😅😅

Was Silver in SF5 and Just reached diamond in SF6 with Modern. Just play what you want, don't worry about the haters

I played Chun Li with Moderns since day one, and she still hard but you have a lot of new improves. I was never wrong with her in moderns contrlos.

Justin Wong said on his tierlist that Modern Ryu was better than Classic, and I’ve yet to see anyone really explore that. It makes sense because Ryu has high raw damage already and good DPs/Specials. Would love to see someone really explore Modern Ryu, cause I think it has potential.

I hope someone wins Evo or at least place really high using Modern

Here after haitani got to top 6 at evo with modern chun

12:01 "First of all, I know you're bronze" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Another "Modern Control video" ahh yess it's all coming together. 😌😌

Who’s got money on Haitani to win evo? He looks so determined.

Random but I think it would be cool for C. Viper to be in SF6. Would play her with modern controls since she was typically a difficult character in terms of execution. She was a favorite to watch in SF4

they nerfed her modern fire ball, that's going to hurt him.

If i ran into haitani id close the game & just reboot back to the lobby to save myself time

It seems to me that the difference in skill between the player base and FGC pros is the largest in any genre. The FPS pros are only marginally better than the non pros.

Fuck it, modern controls all the way. Anything that probably delays early arthritis and tendonitis is good in my book

Newsflash- all characters on modern are just as good if not better than classic. All about the if the damage nerf is major or not. Modern literally makes reactions better and reduces execution. ONE BUTTON SPECIALS AND SUPERS LOL. How is that ever bad? Give that to good players and good luck. It's all about the "stigma" of playing modern. Imo Modern will eventually need its own bracket. I don't think it's fair regarding risk/reward.

Mister crimson is like 80 wins streak atm

Being a SF player since II, i found modern controls to be very refreshing, Im hooked on them, it almost feels like cheating.

Is it 100% Haitani is using modern inputs outside the supers? I figured pros would just do classic inputs for optimal damage.

Hot take. If either modern or classic has to die Capcom wants classic to die. So which should you learn?

I played a master modern JP and I counts touch him. If felt like a NRS boss input reading.

Does Haitani play on stick, hitbox or pad?

Modern Gaming baby! Also YT classed this vid as Tekken Mobile. Important note.

I enjoy very much modern controls because I want to be able to play rank with multiple characters. Modern rules if you’re not down with it then I have 2 words DX

Modern is legit 🎉 I’m clocking fools with E-Honda With no shame I’m rocking it

I don't care if modern Chun is optimal, classic Chun has way cooler combo routing and heavy kick anti airs which make my brain go brrr. Also classic Chun can technically walk forward and anti air with airthrow pretty easily, thanks to the fact that up-forward plus throw literally gives you a frame one instant airthrow in SF6, we saw Jabhim do it quite a bit at redbull kumite. I can't lie though 1 button level 2 and never fucking up instant air legs again is pretty tempting haha

Modern definitely isn’t a meme, the one button DP and Super are really fucked up lmao. I watched a good modern player frame 1 DP almost all movement and 1 button super lets you basically ignore burnout corner DI mindgames. I get it’s accessible but idk if this was the way bc it is real scrubby lmao.

Now that EVO is over, the Modern Chun was top tier.

lmao what is this win streak? I got 20 from gold to plat and was thinking i'm the next prodigy gamer(im 30 y.o. so obviously i'm not) xd

995 likes, lets get to 1000

He must have seen MY modern Chun :P