I Watched This Scene 500 Times... | (Happy Spiderversary!) 

GAHH wrong clip at 4:57-5:18 😫must have been a scrap leftover after adjusting to avoid content ID. Here's what that part was supposed to look like: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zK1-kI67vkI.html EDIT: also how tf did i misspell SQUIRCLE... 😅

The movie essentially spoiled itself in the intro...and we never caught on. That's good writing dammit.

Gwen and Miles actually act like realistic teens. It’s refreshing.

The drummer is the backbone of the band, the one that puts the structure and rhythm in every song, and in contrast, Gwen lives a life of not knowing where to go, without any direction because of all what she's been through.

This is what we call dedication, or braindisease, idk one or the other

When this movie dropped talking about it was my entire personality for 2 whole weeks

I feel like a fool for not realizing just how consistent “can’t precisely communicate her feelings with words” is as a character trait for Gwen.

6:00 fun fact about PTSD and CPTSD; they completely wreck your perception of time because dissociation and flashbacks (nobody tells you how weird a flashback feels) so thats a good way of communicating visually her mental and emotional state. Another thing that I notice when you jump back to the helicopter scene, being calm and collected in high stress situations because for a change all the fight or flight chemicals your dealing with finally are in their proper element.

I also love the contrast of Gwen appearing and moving like a ballerina while as Spider-Woman, but being a drummer as Gwen. It plays on the duality of Spider People between their secret identity and being a hero and also speaks for a lot of people watching, who see themselves as one thing on the inside while appearing differently to the world.

"The Avengers?... is that a band? Are you in. a band?" - Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man.

I cant posibly imagine how much trauma this guy has gone through for him to understand EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER's troubles

3:52 I'm sure someone else pointed this out already, but the wizard of Oz was shot entirely in black and white and they added color to the film later. Back then, technicolor was relatively new and this movie was one of the first movies many people saw in color, making it that much more magical.

Man, you are so good at these. My mind was blown when you're friend was talking about the drums, and I was realizing just how sensitive/fragile drums are as a component, while also being one of the most vital parts of a song. That IS Gwen

Literally having your friends share their insight through recording rather than just quoting them is such a lovely touch. (Also, Squirkle's slight outrage at their voice 'not sounding like that' at the end is just endearing. XD)

As a person whose been raised around music, something that wasn't mentioned is how drums are a backing instrument, not just in role, they are physically in the back. Whenever you see drums anywhere, they are Always in the back and there is an acoustic reason for this. The entire band listens to the drums, so if they are in front, the entire band will sound a little late, as the sound travels backwards towards them. The drums Need to be in the back, especially in a large and spread out ensemble like a marching band, so that the sound can layer on top of them. I also find it interesting that 90% of the time, the only time a drum is featured is in a solo format. You touched on this, but it's a bit deeper than that. I've only heard one song where drums were the "featured artist," that wasn't a drum solo (if you're wondering what it is its Hades II, in the 2nd boss fight the drums are sometimes the featured artist but the guitar and vocalist still do stuff). I feel like there's something there in a drum only being featured when they're on their own. I may be thinking a bit too much

"her attempts to engage go unappreciated". That hit like a brick boii

i did band in middle school (played flute and clarinet) and one day when we were *really* off beat, my director frustratingly asked the class "whose job is it to keep time?" everyone in unison said "percussion" but that just made him angrier. he said "NO! the correct answer is EVERYONE. it's your own responsibility to make sure you're on the beat." even after he said that, my band classes (even when I made the "advanced" audition only band in high school) always implicitly relied on percussion to keep everything in order. it's interesting how this one section bears more responsibility to keep time, even compared to other instruments like bass or tuba.

The last scene of this movie gets me obsessed, the whole music, but especially the last 20 seconds. It's like an anthem for everyone involved with one clear purpose in mind.

Not even a minute in and he's already spot on. The best part about this movie is you can watch it like a cinephile a thousand times and analyze it to it's bones and be completely satisfied, but also you can just turn your brain off and still hold onto the movie! One thing that's a huge issue for me is watching movies that 'cinephiles' love because it's 'art' are usually just a convaluted jumble of tone poetry and it's hard for me, a casual viewer, to enjoy. But this? I can watch this with my brain off and STILL love it, BUT so can my cinephile friends!

A very small detail I noticed while you were showing the scene at 13:17, when she's jumping the first time: if you look at the composition of the frame with the webs, the light from the helicopter and Gwen ascending, it kinda looks like she's a flying angel. Like, this is her moment of paradise within the rhythm. This movie is so great it deserves a frame by frame analysis even more than a scene-by-scene analysis!

Can’t believe this movie is 1 year old I remember watching this movie in theaters like it was yesterday 😢🙏🏾😭🔥

Regarding the point you make at 22:35: I can't remember if we've discussed this or whether you've mentioned it on your videos, but I'm always reminded of the words of Socrates in The Apology when he talks about the poets: "I turned to the poets, dramatic, lyric, and all the rest, in the belief that here I should expose myself as a comparative ignoramus. I used to pick up what I thought were some of their most perfect works and question them closely about the meaning of what they had written, in the hope of incidentally enlarging my own knowledge. Well, gentlemen, I hesitate to tell you the truth, but it must be told. It is hardly an exaggeration to say that any of the bystanders could have explained those poems better than their actual authors. So I soon made up my mind about the poets too. I decided that it was not wisdom that enabled them to write their poetry, but a kind of instinct or inspiration, such as you find in seers and prophets who deliver all their sublime messages without knowing in the least what they mean. It seemed clear to me that the poets were in much the same case." An artist can produce a work of great depth without having any conscious understanding of that depth.

I also really think “you didn’t catch him Gwen” and her trying to reunite with miles and ultimately regretting it, with both the characters and the audience now blaming ruining the society and hurting miles on her is also such a cruel and sad showcase of her unfair responsibility and the chaos from trying to put energy into everything. “I should’ve never come to see you” and throwing the car in anger sounds/looks so much more pitiful knowing that after finally finding a balance between everything it’s falling apart again. She deserves the happiest ending ever

I love that you use the Jinx plush with a spider-gwen costume as an avatar

As a musician, you hit things really well! A 100 peace band may be supposed to watch the conductor but the percussion really sets the speed. Iv played with drummers that do what you said and it's epic. Music is one of the most intimate forms of teamwork that's humanly possible. Band is family.

This movie was sooooooo great I’m so happy and thankful that I got to experience this in the theater

Oh yeah. I know exactly what scene this is and as a 2D animator... I was so freaking impressed by it, it might be my favourite scene out the whole movie. Gwen's movements are so precise and the impact of everything is so clear. I like it more than the Miles chase tbh. And the way Miguel says "I was gonna do that..." after the helicopter, ahhh so good! Like even when I'm listening to the Soundtack, the song is hype and also so precise. With Miguel's police siren in the background and Gwen's theme taking the lead in some spots.

It's so interesting how important it is as a writer to have hobbies. Whoever wrote this scene and this character and this whole character arc clearly knew what they were doing. They knew how bands work and what it means to be a drummer and they fed that into the character to create this beautiful synchronicity. I see it in my own work where there are underlying patterns that dovetail into my other experiences. This character fights the way I play MOBAs. That character's internal values are informed by card game design logic. The other characters' structure and behaviors are modeled on MMO guild politics. And these were things I didn't even know I was doing. It's just natural. The way a lifetime of accumulated knowledge in unrelated fields filters into written work through patterns and themes that weren't even the point of any of it.

One thing I'd like to add as a drummer is that I've always felt that one of (if not THE) most important things you demonstrate and bring to the music is setting the intensity. This is true in interpreting a song in a cover, when creating an original composition, and--especially--during improvisation. I cannot tell you how many times I've been able to lock in with fellow musicians during a jam and been able to nudge them to open up and play a "bigger", "chorusy" version of whatever they've been vamping on, just by slowly playing with greater intensity or force. It's amazing how responsive people are to embodying the energy of the percussionist. I see this as being reflected in Gwen's hero and combat style. As you say, she's not a traditional "fighter" and doesn't throw out a lot of punches or kicks, despite the fact that she would be especially good at it (I mean, hitting and kicking is all there is to playing a drum kit at the end of the day). It really feels to me like everything she does is in service of escalating or de-escalating encounters as needed and on-the-fly, which I see mirrored in my experience on the drums. She dictates the tempo, but she also tries to dictate how "big" a moment feels.

dammit schnee I have things to do today! ...after this video

Absolutely fuddamuckin' NAILED IT. So damn good. My grin just got progressively wider over time, especially during the comment from the drummer compadré. Dopeness!

I really want to analyze the contrast between the two versions of "Across the Spiderverse", (intro) and (start a band), both of which are symbolically connected to Gwen, but where (intro) breaks apart and she goes off-script and gets called out by her band ending the song, (start a band) lets her keep going. Gwen has found her rhythm and she is no longer trying to find a place that she can belong and fit in and necessarily 'join', she is making her own place, her own band, and she's learned from miles about how to move forwards. I can feel that there's a lot more that can be uncovered from those two songs and especially from the two of them side-by-side, but I don't have the time nor the expertise to talk about it in full here. It stays in my head a lot though, and I always love to see your analysis of art like this, both Spiderverse and Arcane really hit a part of my soul, and they both hold an exceptionally special place in my heart, so you not only sharing that interest but also diving even deeper is so wonderful to me.

insane how you are obsessed by the same fluid, fast-paced actions scenes that I am, thought about this one gwen scene for MONTHS and same for the ekko and jink one, insanely well explained and well crafted in-depth explanations

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHA BEST SCHNEE JUMPSCARE

Man that whole part about the drum, it gave me chills. I'm a drummer, and you (and your friend) perfectly expressed what it is. If you're off, then everything feels off. If you hit something just 0.05 second too late, it IS off. It's such a powerful feeling when everything comes together as one, because you know no one's gonna pay attention to what you did, but the listeners will notice something. Your videos and analysis are amazing as always, I missed you ! Keep on !

This is handsdown my favourite shot because I never thinking about it Edit: just finished watching the video and you’ve unpeeled all the layers of depth that I’ve felt from this scene. Another thing I notice was how absolutely exhausted Gwen is by the end of it. She’s at her peak performance and executing perfection, then literally collapses from the intensity and focus. It’s like a burn out and bit tragic when you see that this state is never going to last, how her life will never be as coordinated as this sequence.

You know what I also noticed? That the band from the back looks like Jessica, hobe and miles with his hoodie on. Might be coincidence. But I was like cool. Also thank you. Everytime I try to explain things like this but in anime I feel like people can’t understand me. Or think I am crazy. I also learn a lot from you! 😭

"It powers things its not supposed to"😭 I just LIKE that line and will leave an extra comment to say so 😆

Gwen has always been a super relatable character to me. Initially, I thought it was just because I liked her style and the fact that she's a drummer (like me). But after watching your video, I realized there's more to it. You mentioned finding other people's rhythm, and that really clicked for me. I've always had a knack for picking up on other people's "rhythms." It's actually a skill I'm using in my career in social work. However, I've always struggled with verbal communication. Thanks to your video, I have an even greater appreciation for Gwen's characterization in Spider-Verse and I can't help but feel seen in a way I haven't felt before.

This was so well done and made me relate to Gwen even more- her isolation, her difficulty with verbal expression but comfort with activity, her ability to use action to bond. So many layers to this movie. Also this video checked so many boxes-thank you for breaking down the lizard crashing prom scene (it got me too… the dissonance between the song and the on-screen events) and Eden’s description of DRUMS really was incredible… I feel like I need to be paying to watch this channel stg ❤

9:12 indirectly, he is crushed by her, afterall, she caused the collapse by throwing him with not just way too much force, but also in the worst place possible, the main structure, that fell on him moments later. Is how one mistake can backfire on her badly.

This made me think about how when Gwen gets kicked out of spider society back to her dimension and she sneaks back into her room (to get the polaroid of Miles) it was already opened by Captain Stacy as maybe a setup and establishment that while Gwen was gone he was trying to understand her and got how Gwen communicates OR where she would put something she cared about (that's the best way I can put it, the scene we see the drum case opened is where they come to an understanding and after the resolve he still calls parenting a mystery). He could've got this prior but I don't think that rhymes with how spiderverse does character progression. I just looked back at the scene and there's a really important detail I also want to mention. The polaroid is of Gwen in her costume but Miles is in his normal clothes. I wonder if he was sleeping by it with a bit of comfort that Gwen had someone out there for her or more somberly someone like Peter (I just wonder who he thought Miles was). This is also something I love so much about spiderverse is that writers will usually have 'obvious' things happen to get characters in situations but for these movies you can find deeper understanding when you look into it -> Captain Stacy grabbing the polaroid and putting it in the room with him makes Gwen have to enter to get it. Did he understand that the polaroid was so special to Gwen (because it was in the drum) that she would try to get it was he hoping she would take that opportunity to 'just look at him?' Also was that a joke...like this whole time he can't tell if spider people are looking at him directly or was he just trying to be humorous with Gwen for her to just fail at reciprocating it that scene where they have their resolve. ... I'm also very entranced by Spiderverse and it will be consuming me until I extinguish, what a great way to go. This stuff alone will be ringing in my head for the oncoming weeks.

now that's the kind of stuff im here for. Gwenn is so cool and she gets cooler the more smart people talk about her for real

One thing about Gwen and the artstyle in her universe that stuck out to me is that it’s all really detached and apathetic. Her whole character is based on this socially and emotionally detached characteristic of her, it kinda loosens reality around, from the art being slightly abstract and fauvistic (i think this isn’t what i mean someone correct me), the transitions being surreal, chill lofi music during a monster attack; it all feels like the apathy born from loneliness and social isolation. It made me uncomfortable because it was all the things I loved done in the ‘wrong’ way. Pls add to this i wanna know if anyone else felt this way or what other deeper aspects of this uve delved into

"This is good! We're finding our rhythm!" - Spot

Thought I was the only one who was obsessed with this scene. They nailed it

I've always been fascinated by drumming so this was super cool to learn! musicality is everything, great job everyone!!

I wasn't expecting to get emotional at the analysis of a 53 second clip, but after hearing all your points I was tearing up! This scene is so masterfully done and integrates so many complicated emotions together into one perfect triumphant scene as compared to the bleakness we see beforehand. Thank you for shining light on this scene!

This analysis video was so inspiring. As a writer, I always want to make my writing great, and even get to this level. There’s something so incredibly awespiring about this movie franchise. I can’t get enough. Thank you for this video.

I'm a drummer and Aidan's description was extremely good and articulate. He should also make videos. I'd definitely watch them.

The drum bit had my neurons firing on all cylinders the connection between Gwen and drums is so potent its crazy

I love this scene too.❤ I always thought the shot of Gwen closing her eyes and the background comparing the helicopter blades with her drumsticks was meant to symbolize how she goes about her role of Spider-Man. She feels the rhythm of the situation and immediately jumps in and follows the beat. Whether that’s music or fighting. The rhythm also explains her dancer style and gymnastics background. 🤸

10:57 Her band is called the Mary Janes! 😂 Just now noticing this.

I will never shut up about how great this movie is.

hearing you laugh brought a smile on my face too. thanks for shouting out your friends too. I've been loving squircle's stuff!

This is a fantastic video, man Im sure someone online has said this before, but I'd like to add my 2 cents. There's this idea in drumming called limb separation, which is exactly what it sounds like. The ability to make your limbs do different things at different times in a complimentary way. I believe that Gwen subconsciously applies this concept to her Spider-Personing and this whole scean is a great example of it. She's constantly making multiple webs, having her eyes on the next target, and never letting her momentum go in a way that feels rhythmic. I honestly think that her understanding of limb separation gave her a huge leg up when she first started out. I hope that made sense lol-

Schnee is the kind of guy who listens to one song on loop for eight solid hours

I'm so grateful for minds like yours that actively seek out these kinds of questions and analyses of media, as someone who tends to just like things if they "feel good" and has no active drive to dive deeper than that. You sharing your insight into some incredible works of art like spiderverse really makes me appreciate the artpiece even more than I already did. Good job 👍

As someone who has played both percussion and other instruments, immediately the difference I know between the two is that, "With most instruments, the creativity comes through the instrument. But with drums, the creativity comes from the person."

I want you to know, I study your videos with the same intensity that I've studied Sanderson's lectures. You are a gem.

Fantastic analysis! I always thought it was cool that her drums sound so chaotic in the intro, drowning out her band members, but by the end of the movie the drums are complimenting and giving center stage to the other instruments. Of course with a movie like this it always goes layers and layers deeper than you first thought

I kinda felt this not as a drummer but as a vocalist. Vocals have zero sway in the tempo, melody, or direction of a song, they are at the complete mercy of the other musicians, but they are responsible for how the concert is remembered. Nobody's going to remember if the drummer messed up a few times if the vocalist killed it, but if lead guitar is having the best night of their life nobody's going to remember that if the vocalist isn't feeling it. THEY are the ones the people are listening to. Miles, despite his inexperience, strikes me as a vocalist because he's amazing at 'making music' with other people, RE: Mumbattin, as long as he's got a tempo or a melody. This vid actually made me go back and re-watch both 1 and 2 from the point of a drummer, and I'm tempted to go back and watch both again just to kind of 'slot' people in a band now. Love your vids!

24:07 I would love to hear your takes on every scene lmao I love the way you break down these videos and as I wanna be writer myself, it seriously helps so much with planning and working on my book. The way you break down these moments is almost like a story itself and I wish to one day have my work broken down like this lmao Keep up the great work and look forward to rewatching this video!

Every time I watch your videos I feel I become better at telling stories, thank you!

Yay! New schnee! Been avoiding Hazbin Hotel content cause its hard to find in my locale atm. What a treat to get some more Spiderverse :D

My analysis half-way through: (I think this is what you're getting at) So we start off with the desaturated but incredibly stylistic intro, establishing the contrast between her and her dad, she's going through the motions and it's ruining her. Then she gets back into the flow of it and is able to actually release her potential through the save scene. She's been unable to communciate with her father so she's overcompensating; she feels trapped and unable to tell her dad the truth. Because as you say, she expresses her emotion physically. So when it gets too much she quickly centres herself by remembering the drum beat and jumps into saving people, relieving the stress she's feeling temporarily as she gets a small reprieve where she dons her mask and gets to do the hero thing. Additionally I really like the conflict scenes between her and her dad, we start off with the backgrounds beginning to solidify into representations of their ideological beliefs, then contrasting. The harsh black and white of the cop-dad and the bright, colourful, painful emotion of the spider-woman. And then in the end, these melt away and the background retreats, letting the characters stand as they are. This is them saying that their personal beliefs don't matter; and that her father has chosen to 'be her dad for a minute'; which is just..👌.

You can really feel yourself focusing in the scene when she closes her eyes, gathers her thoughts, and focuses too. Then she jumps into action. And in the first intro part of the movie when she's walking away from her band, the other members are in pink while she's blue to really show that contrast. Beautiful, I literally need to watch this entire movie over and over again I need to figure this thing out I love it. It's beautiful. It gives me life. I live for its subtle details, it's everything to me.

what a way to add more depth to this scene, always enjoying your analysis and pattern recognition you only can do and your nerding from there is just music so keep it up and thanks for your passion!

Thank you Schnee! This was awesome! I'll be here for any scene you analysis! Your way of thinking is profound, enjoyable, and inspirational for me!

Nice work as always. Thank you schnee!

I'm so glad we both feel like this about this movie

I. Absolutely. Adore this breakdown. Thank you so much ❤️

Absolutely INCREDIBLE analysis of my favorite opener to a movie of all time. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO.

I don't know if it's just me, but the way you delve into these scenes, (Arcane, Spiderverse, ect) makes the the viewing experience come alive in a new way. It sounds like it's not always appreciated by everyone to annalize something with this much detail, but I find this makes the whole experience of the movie SO much more enriching! Continue the great work!

This is so irrelevant but I can not emphasise how excited Gwen's theme makes me in this scene. It's accidentally become the theme for my D&D character, and the DM started playing it when she dueled in our last session. It's SUCH a good song.

No wonder why I vibed so hard with Gwen. This is how I am in life too. Thank you Schnee for this video. It's helped me tell myself "I am worthy" in my day to day.

"You have the right to remain silent". So her father is pushing her in the arms of the band she can communicate non-verbally. She remains silent, she acts.

When you were talking about the chill beats during the lizard fight, I realized that the drums in the music drop out as Gwen makes her change into Spider-Woman

That last part about the ideas in art and the deeper meanings needs to be said and heard more ! Thank you for this video (and your whole channel, really) for being a rare source of analytical content that truly gets it ! Art is deep, and that's what makes it great ! Can't wait to see what you'll cook for when Arcane season 2 comes up, keep it up ! 👏

This scene makes me wanna be a Spiderman. I am a child again. I wish I could manage the chaos like this.

God i just love this channel and its analysis so much :)

18:15 “Just looking out for my drummer is all.” - hobie

Great analysis 🙌🏼💯

I love your channel so much because I love seeing people so obsessed and enraptured by something, and especially when we seem to get obsessed with a lot of the same things :P

Wow, you verbalized everything I feel about this scene and then described why I feel that way. It's amazing.

I relate to Gwen honestly, so much. She struggles silently with the feeling that she doesnt fit in anywhere, "cant find the right band", having nobody to express and talk about her problem to, struggling with communication is just so much. She uses drumbs to express, I dance in ballet to express my stress… ballet is an art performance where you dont express with your words but moves, which in this case, dance moves. I believe Gwen did/does ballet, it could also be one little reason on why her body language stands out so much, ballet performances are dramatic, you want to move your body a lot and dramatically because theres no dialogues, only music and your body language and expression to tell the story. Maybe thats also why her body language speaks louder then words, which makes her character just so interesting because there seems so much to her, cant wait for the third movie!

Love your work! Adds to my enjoyment of such a great film. ❤

Across the Spider-Verse is my favorite film, and it’s because of things like this. I have watched it so many times and I can’t get enough of it. Your analysis videos of it have been so much appreciated, as I get to see someone else geek out about this movie as much as I do and talk about concepts with it I’ve never even noticed before.

Sweet, glad to see you return to spiderverse!

Omg, I was just starting rewatching your siperverse videos and you post this now!!! Great timing, I love your videos

This video and overall all your content is so cool you have such a way with words and are able to express so well this ideas you do incredible work! I might be obsessed with the scene now myself! I think this is art too

Your videos make me appreciate this film in so many different new ways, I enjoy watching them so much:,)

Such a great video, had no idea drums had such a deep meaning to Gwen, thanks for sharing!

21:50 the kickdrum is a portal oohh my gawwwwd why didn't I connect this sooner 😆

This is why I love your vids Schnee 😂

Really interesting video essay that was far more than descriptive, it was informative, innovative and fascinating, illuminating a scene and an arc

Watching this made me realize I’d really love to see you break down not just Across, but the first movie’s depth as well Phenomenal analysis, I always love what you have to say

i think the reason the music is so chill when fighting peter is because that music made it sound like (to me) that she was left alone at the dance, and she was by peter, just in a very different way then normal so thats why the music stays

Schnee, you've got a real talent, I hope enough people tell you that. These videos encourage me to be a better writer and I really appreciate it.

OMG THATS AMAZING ANALIZE ! i love that!