“Please don’t make me go back to that quiet house.” I said those exact words when my dad died and I tried to be anywhere but there. Mrs. Sugar man deserve people to comfort her. They destroyed her even more and it destroyed everyone for generations to come.
@@vickkimua3123 They are just a troll without any true suffering in their life besides being grounded by their parents. Hence why don't even bother to feed them.
@@keniaromero5461 a) she asked to be "fixed", that didn't necessarily have to be a lobotomy. b) even if that was what she meant, it's still not right to do it. If a suicidal person asked you for a rope, is it right to give it to them? What was even the point of your comment here?
@@keniaromero5461 Bro it's like responding to a suicidal person by giving them a knife and telling them to "do it if you want to so badly" instead of being a rational person and taking them to the hospital where can get actual help. Nobody wins in that first situation. I get drilling holes in people's head's has been a medical practice since ancient times, but it was crazy that as early as the 1940's that *literally stabbing a person's brain along with removal of a chunk of grey matter* would not have detrimental effects to the 50% of people that actually managed to survive such a treatment. Electrotherapy can do amazing things for people who suffer from brain conditions and mental health issues and yet it doesn't justify it's origins where it was practised unsafely, without anasthetic, while the person was awake, and often at much too high of voltage.
You know, the first time I watched this I didn't fully notice but it must genuinely have looked so sad, this woman singing acapella, what is clearly one part of a duet, while Eddie is singing something that sounds lonely but can be it's own thing. It shows how even though both are grieving, Eddie is (if just barely) surviving.
Bojack got more than generational trauma and impulsive coping mechanisms from his maternal grandma. XD He got her dark, crude sense of humor! I wish we got to see what his PATERNAL grandparents were like, and if there was anything he picked up from them as well!
Imagining Mrs. Sugarman's vocalizing at 2:37 is genuinely so chilling. Her alone, no backing track, nothing, just her lament that's supposed to be harmonizing is so unsettling. Her story breaks my heart.
And then stomped on it when Eddie has his breakdown after. Bojack was soooooo close to forming a mutual friendship, but his want to validate himself by fixing another person obliterated that. This whole episode is probably my favorite, if we're not counting Free Churro, as that's pretty self contained.
I’m a soldier, i can’t imagine what my mother would do trying to be strong for my little sisters if I died. Cause you know , in American culture every soldier dies a hero, even if it’s poisoning themselves with alcohol and choking on their vomit. All hero’s.
the USA should be taking better care of vets, and honestly imo, the people left shattered when they die, whether it's from a pow/mia situation, or from trauma after coming back home. it's just absolutely BEYOND shameful how badly this country does with vets. my uncle died in vietnam at the age of 21, and my father, aged 18 at the time, was honorably discharged, before he was deployed. he struggled with alcoholism all my life, probably before that. he used to play songs that i (as a child) hated hearing 4,000 times... but now, looking back, god damn. he was hurting so badly. he passed away on his 70th birthday, March 11, 2021. Cirrhosis. I was an 'oops' baby, over 15 yrs younger than all my siblings; my brother told me, if it wasn't for me, Dad would have died much sooner than he did.... I was 23 when he died..... God damn don't I miss him. I miss his hugs, I miss his voice, I miss his smile. I miss the comfort in hearing him talk. I miss the feeling of certainty when he gave me life advice. I miss his advice. I miss everything so fucking much. He didn't have to die so early. I know he was "only" 70. But he died from his cirrhosis, he was in ESLD before we knew anything was even wrong with him. I guess you call it "generational trauma" or something. He never recovered from losing his big brother (his only sibling; it was just the two of them) at age 18. He was just a baby, and his brother was too. Their whole family was shattered from that point onwards. So much taken from them, and for what. For nothing. I only hope to not pass that trauma onto my own children, one day. because I definitely missed the boat on not absorbing it myself. God I just wish more than anything that I could do something to ease my father's pain. but i guess he doesn't feel pain now. guess that's a good thing. it definitely is. but i still hurt so fuckikng bad from losing him. my siblings were so lucky to have him for so long. he got to meet their kids. i'll never have that, my future kids will only know some memory, some "dad" that i bring up from time to time. or they'll see me as i saw my dad..... always so sad, always heartbroken over family members I never knew..... i was so stupid as a child, i should have been so much more empathetic with him while i had him.... christmas was my favorite holiday as a child, but when i got older, he didn't like to celebrate it anymore.... he said it reminded him of his family too much, and that he didn't have them anymore, and my god.... i get it now..... i really understand that now that i've lost him
It’s funny. I watched this a few years ago and really did feel a bit sad. But last year, I lost my dad because of health complications. It really recontextualize everything for me. I just cry so hard with this song. My gosh. So this is what grief really feels like? You don’t really get over it.
It really does. It's like everything is so different after. and then it all melds back into the "usual," but you'll randomly think of something, or look at something a certain way, and just be swarmed with grief. I start crying so randomly sometimes. I'll be so happy, before and after absolutely sobbing my heart out. It's a permanent fixture. But, it's a product of the love you held. It's a pain that you are only going through because of how much love you had for that person. I love the description of grief that compared it to waves of the ocean. I think of it often. I'll post a link below. www.reddit.com/r/GriefSupport/comments/d9685e/grief_comes_in_waves_important_message_from_8/ "Alright, here goes. I'm old. What that means is that I've survived (so far) and a lot of people I've known and loved did not. I've lost friends, best friends, acquaintances, co-workers, grandparents, mom, relatives, teachers, mentors, students, neighbors, and a host of other folks. I have no children, and I can't imagine the pain it must be to lose a child. But here's my two cents. I wish I could say you get used to people dying. I never did. I don't want to. It tears a hole through me whenever somebody I love dies, no matter the circumstances. But I don't want it to "not matter". I don't want it to be something that just passes. My scars are a testament to the love and the relationship that I had for and with that person. And if the scar is deep, so was the love. So be it. Scars are a testament to life. Scars are a testament that I can love deeply and live deeply and be cut, or even gouged, and that I can heal and continue to live and continue to love. And the scar tissue is stronger than the original flesh ever was. Scars are a testament to life. Scars are only ugly to people who can't see. As for grief, you'll find it comes in waves. When the ship is first wrecked, you're drowning, with wreckage all around you. Everything floating around you reminds you of the beauty and the magnificence of the ship that was, and is no more. And all you can do is float. You find some piece of the wreckage and you hang on for a while. Maybe it's some physical thing. Maybe it's a happy memory or a photograph. Maybe it's a person who is also floating. For a while, all you can do is float. Stay alive. In the beginning, the waves are 100 feet tall and crash over you without mercy. They come 10 seconds apart and don't even give you time to catch your breath. All you can do is hang on and float. After a while, maybe weeks, maybe months, you'll find the waves are still 100 feet tall, but they come further apart. When they come, they still crash all over you and wipe you out. But in between, you can breathe, you can function. You never know what's going to trigger the grief. It might be a song, a picture, a street intersection, the smell of a cup of coffee. It can be just about anything...and the wave comes crashing. But in between waves, there is life. Somewhere down the line, and it's different for everybody, you find that the waves are only 80 feet tall. Or 50 feet tall. And while they still come, they come further apart. You can see them coming. An anniversary, a birthday, or Christmas, or landing at O'Hare. You can see it coming, for the most part, and prepare yourself. And when it washes over you, you know that somehow you will, again, come out the other side. Soaking wet, sputtering, still hanging on to some tiny piece of the wreckage, but you'll come out. Take it from an old guy. The waves never stop coming, and somehow you don't really want them to. But you learn that you'll survive them. And other waves will come. And you'll survive them too. If you're lucky, you'll have lots of scars from lots of loves. And lots of shipwrecks." -u/GSnow
Her dad himself say in this episode that he is as modern american man, he doesn't know how to deal with *woman* emotions, no one told him how and he won't ever learn. Obviously Bob waksberg intention was to explain how our world is simply fucked bc our family destroy our emotional life when it is in a rising stage bc they suffered the same and then we will do the same to our children and the other people of the world.
Nah man, this all could’ve been avoided if Lobotomies were never seen as an aceeptable medical procedure to “cure” wild emotions Y’all be acting like Lobotomies were invented by Joseph when the sad reality is that people at the time thought it was ok and viable way to help people
This episode is the turning point the whole series rests on, I think. Everything up to it was Bojack slowly destroying his life, bit by bit, up to Sarah Lynn. And everything after this is a deeply flawed person trying to (and sometimes succeeding at) leaving the past in the past.
The sad thing is that Beatrice looks so happy back then. Sometimes I wonder what would have happend if Crackerjack hadnt died. Like would Bojack even had been born
I think she would have still met Butterscotch and had Bojack. Only this time she would have had much more support from her Mother and Brother, so she wouldn't have been such an angry, hateful person. Probably her brother would have encouraged her to keep Bojack. But, Beatrice winds up divorcing Butterscotch early though.
@@roosterwithnoname9020 I actually don't think she would have gotten a divorce. Back then, it was extremely uncommon, and you could/would have been looked down apon for doing so, which was why Beatrice (or at least I think so) didn't any sooner. Though I do think your right. Maybe Bojack would have been much better rounded with more support to- like maybe he would have never even become an alcoholic, or if he did, would have taken a shorter time to recover from it.
@@roosterwithnoname9020 imo while she would've spoken to butterscotch at the party, she wouldn't have followed him out. a party with her distant father, lobotomised mother and no brother would've been easy to leave, but having honey and crackerjack watch her dance and be proud of her would make her stay. butterscotch's comments about his own mother wouldn't resonate with her in anything more than a 'that's rough buddy' way rather than a deeper personal connection to the grief of losing a mother, and honey would've also mellowed out joseph, which would probably make him less strict with her so the daddy issues butterscotch picks up on either aren't there or aren't nearly so acute. which means the meeting with corbyn wouldn't have been interrupted by her morning sickness, and bojack, at least as we know him, would not exist.
"ill take flight..." "maybe tomorrow not tonight" god that part kills me. its my whole life. always living on the fence, always afraid of what happens if i take that leap. bojack horseman NAILED IT. this show had me in shambles.
same brother. you and me both. but sometimes you can find divine beauty in what you have. in my short 27 years, i've come to love where i grew up. i always dreamed of moving to colorado, or vermont, but actually..... i have somehow come to love my place of living, despite its politics, its regressive nature.... at least i can grow anything almost anytime! 😁gardening in zone 8 is pretty awesome. gotta focus on the silver lining.... and maybe one day, my state/country will catch up to the rest of the world
I have to admit, Lin Manuel Miranda slayed it as crackerjack. Also whoever played Joseph, he definitely did great on portraying a father of that time period.
I got into this show really young (probably because of Mr Enter's old review lol) and I remember in summer 2017 when I was 11 one of the reasons I didn't kill myself was so I could make it to see season 4. It almost made staying alive for the start of middle school worth the wait. I don't need to get into all the graphic and horrible things of life that made me depressed, but all I wanted to point out was those final lyrics, "maybe tomorrow not tonight". Even now it this town', but suicide, the only way to 'escape this town', but then the moment comes and it's just.... not now. I don't know. I guess I wish things would be better by now, but hey, it beats things being worse, right?
oh my gosh I got stuck with 800 otter pops . for the Mormon 4th of July because !!""somebody "" !!""!!!"" "" (quote-unquote)! forgot to put them in the freezer!!! fmlolohwell
@@mrmagpie6684So... I got a BUNCH of popsicles..and, well...>>>..., ãñymëôw.. ., I was just venting about how they ''didn't" get Frozen in time to sell at a big event lol..ugh (the term,"bunch"datb an understatement!) 🤔🤯🧠💨🚫🍨🍧🍡🍭🧊🍦🎭🥶 🤓🥸🙄😉😋😛😆😅🤣😂😅😹🥵
@@oreo_6206 still have most of them in the deep freeze... I've been thinking maybe if I go to different events ~music sports, etc,, ?.. maybe?... (?)... can I ask you something?.... how much do you think I should sell them for?... I've been wrestling with that. also I was thinking about doing a raffle,≈ like for every otter Pop purchase, you could buy a raffle ticket for a just $1dollar.. .. and have some cool things~ jewelry boxes> stuffed animals> fractal Burns> maybe a gift certificate... >Santa Claus hat with a monkey on it >> I dunno,,, you want to buy some otter pops?.. LOL 😋😉👍🤗💋🤌💥🦦🍭🍦🍨🍧🍡🧊🛒🛍️🧮📯🪧🗯️🆒⭕➕➕🕉️®️🍾🎉
That’s the point; to show show two beings at different but similar stages of the same grief. From the pasts point of view she’s singing an incomplete song with no accompanying instruments: a grieving mother who just lost her son. From the point of view in the present he’s a surprise performer singing a song while playing the piano, a song that sounds whole to everyone except for those who also know the song; he’s a widower who lost his wife years ago. Like a missing duet.
“Aw i want a freezy-pop!” “Oh Beatrice, you know iced cream is for boys” - “Mother can I get a freezy-pop” “Sure darling, you can get whatever you want”
@@hahahawiththemusic I’m pretty sure that wiki is wrong lol 😂 I don’t blame them either tho, but I just wished whoever made that wiki fixes it because in this short clip bojack says Eddie is a dragon fly ➕ he has the wings of a dragon fly but since no person in the bojack universe has a tail that makes it harder to tell animals sometimes 😅
