I like how Todd's relationship with bojack NEVER went back to the way it was after the rock opera incident. It's small and subtle but theres always that hint of lingering resentment, and acknowledgement of the toxicity that bojack represents. It really is an arm's length friendship where one character wants the other to be better and fix their problems but is wise enough to not go down with the ship when they fail to do so. I really do love this show.
in general, I just loved in how different ways we have bojacks relationships ending. hollyhock cuts goes full no contact, diane moves on both understanding that their relationship is hurting them while at the end holding onto the comfort and closeness of one another, the one with Tod was healed yet never returned as it was with time and effort by bojack and at least there's princess carolyn which comes with both boundaries and their own personal growth and all of it is open ended yet satisfying
@@Hahaa99 I COMPLETELY forgot about that! But yeah that's exactly what it is. That acknowledgment of it being okay to let people go as to not be bogged down by their self destruction. I know this show is loved by many but it's still a masterpiece that deserves more attention.
@@fish3977 Right?! People end up responding to the end of that long road to semi- redemption as people, rather than characters. Some of them cut him off completely because they know hes bad for them and some stick around with cautious optimism that he can overcome the demons that he struggles with, but no one is portrayed as wrong. It manahes to simultaneously preach a message of redemption and hope while saying it's okay to save yourself from people who fail to change.
Makes you wonder if they do have some sort of in-universe version of jockeys, cause they showed with Secretariat that horse racing is more like our world's version the 100m race.
@@EMD1594 What about in Tucca and Bertie, Regular Show, Goof Troop and Talespin where animal people aka furries and feral regular animals co-exist and all?
Son of Atom are you kidding me? How on Earth was Herb an asshole? Bojack was so wrong for not even considering Herb’s feelings, not contacting the guy for 20 YEARS. Regardless of anything that came before that, Bojack should have at least bothered to check on someone who literally MADE HIM FAMOUS.
"did a helicopter crash into the prison and you just walked out?" I actually completely missed this callback to season one until I went back and started rewatching old episodes with a friend
That was genius... one, its a call back to what we SAW happen in season one, and TWO... Think about it, all the wacky shit Todd says, for all we know, ALL of that could be references to actual stuff that has happened to him and we [and the characters he's talking to] just think he's being wacky, lol
It’s a great reminder that the show used to be much goofier. Yes, the series always mixed wacky comedy with heartbreaking drama, but seasons 1-3 were generally a lot more off the wall, while seasons 4-6 felt a bit more grounded in the serious side of things.
1:15 Notice how Todd's footprints begin when he gets off Bojack? That means he's been carried for a little while, not just to see the fireworks in that spot lol Small detail, but I found it cute
It makes me hopeful about Todd and Bojack's friendship, actually! And it actually goes much further: It starts with just Bojack's footprints. Todd is being carried along. It takes a struggle and a great fall from Bojack's shoulders for Todd to land on his two feet. From there on out, their paths diverge, Bojack running further and further ahead (away). Todd catches up though, with big, confident leaps. And with a Hokey Pokey, Todd turns their paths around, spinning into both of their footprints until you can't tell which ones are the ones coming in, and which ones are the ones heading out. They're in the same place and in the same mess, with Todd adjacent to Bojack; considerably even ahead of him, if you look at it a certain way. A wave comes in and washes all previous footpaths away. None of it, not even your past, really matters, does it?
I like after the footprints gets separated, Todd decides to turn around like the song says and keeps close to bojack no longer to be on his back again but at his side
@@arielrelizsoria2040 uh no, voice acting is done before animation. you may be thinking of anime dubs, where they have to voice act while watching the animation because it was originally animated for japanese VAs
Honestly, outside of Mr. Peanutbutter, I think Todd might be the only to stay in contact with Bojack. And even then I'm not sure. His conversations with PC and Diane felt pretty final tho.
Yo guys the waves wash away their footprints at the end so they can make new ones, because life isn't about retracing your steps, it's about taking new steps! THIS SHOOOOOW
You can always change who you are or what you do but you can't unchanged what you did! You'll leave footprints you'll leave hood memories or scars. But I still like your interpretation because it doesn't contredic that. Even so you created all this footprints you have a world full of choices how you can act in the present.
"You just seemed really overwhelmed at the party and thought you could use some air" Just shows that Todd's level of empathy and EQ. We all need a Todd in our life.
1:07 "Then you'll get sober again." The way Todd responded so quickly warms my heart. You can tell he has faith in Bojack again. Even if he relapses, he is still the new Bojack that wants to change
@@breeeegs I think about It more like this, Bojack always wanted to change but couldn't bring himself to do so because he was too scared of getting out of his comfort zone, at least that was until Sarah linn died.
@@breeeegs Yes and no. What I took away from everything Bojack went through with his parents was that Bojack wanted to change but felt it was physically impossible for him to be a better person. Bojack had it ingrained in him from all the shit with his parents that he would never be able to be anything more than a worthless piece of shit no matter how much he tried. So to try and forget that Bojack drank and did drugs. When Bojack did try to be better he kept convincing himself that it couldn't happen and his brain looked for any excuse to prove his parents right. It was a self fulfilling prophecy that just kept on fueling his substance abuse.
Lol y’all take the bad from Todd’s character instead of the good, seriously? Mooch or not, he proves himself throughout the show, did more than most, and in all honesty out of all the character created inside the show, Todd is probably the most balanced of them all.
This last episode was so bittersweet. I cried at the end of this scene. I cried out of happiness, I was so happy that after all they've been through, bojack and Todd remain friends. And I cried because we won't see them again. However, it was nice while it lasted.
samuel hadjaissa actually I think they never talk to eachother again after that, bojack says “What if this is the last time we ever talked” humorously and Diane kinda just awkwardly smiled
@@juliannatale6743 I can see that, they both relied on each other to cope with their own drama but now that they can both among themselves now means that they don't need each other anymore
I've been rewatching the series from the beginning and seeing the contrast on how Bojack and Todd talk to each other. The way Bojack is actually listening to him and taking in his advice, even though he playfully calls Todd stupid in the end. Season 1 Bojack would've meant it, there would've been malice. Seeing that growth right off the bat is incredible.
It's tough for me to re-watch this show, but it undoubtedly impacted me and my feelings as I watched it through its entirety. Maybe because of how existential it is.. I have epilepsy, and this show would sometimes give me deep thoughts which led to realizations that sometimes scared me and led to seizures due to the high level of anxiety. That wouldn't be the case today, but I just feel like the show's been watched. Wrapped in a neat, perfect little package that needs no more investigation. But I am SO grateful for the genius of Ralph. The art this show presents is downright breathtaking.
When BoJack says, "What if I relapse again?" and Todd replies, "Then you'll get sober again," the water starts to get closer, and by the end of the scene the water wipes away completely the footsteps they left on the beach. When all the footsteps do go, they both agree that it was "nice while it lasted." The footsteps are metaphoric of Bojack's worry; he might just relapse again, but if he does, and all his progress is wiped away-his footsteps on the long, arduous journey of sobriety-then he just starts again.
The footprints get washed away right when Todd said "Well, it was nice while it lasted." Me: Yeah okay the creators are DEFINITELY never coming back to the show.....damn.
what sucks is that it was netflix who cancelled/wanted too end the show. This show could've stayed on air for many more years, thats what the people behind it wanted atleast.
smols it got cancelled because it wasn’t bringing in enough viewers. Netflix’s CEO(i think) claimed it was his favorite show at the time, but business is business.
@@mp4Junkie I've heard somewhere that it had to end because of the animation company or something like that closed or stopped working with Netflix? Same reason why Tuca and Bertie didn't get a 2nd season.
@@nikolettkiss5298 There were rumors that the show was cancelled because the animation studio wanted to unionize, yes. It's believable, but still just rumors.
@@mp4Junkie Oh yes, that was it. Thanks for the clarification! Sadly, it doesn't matter anymore, we are not gonna get anymore Bojack content. This was an awesome show.
@@daniapfel2825 one of the most useful things I’ve learned about forgiveness is that you don’t have to absolve someone of a past wrongdoing in order to forgive them; forgiveness is a matter of foregoing your desire for revenge, it’s as good for the forgiver as it is for the forgivee. Todd never wanted Bojack to be harmed or “punished” he just wanted Bojack to get better and be better
a lot of people in the comments are saying that Bojack and Todd's friendship can never go back to how it was when they were living together. I agree with the sentiment, but I also think it's kind of backwards. To me, this scene is the strongest, purest, most real example of their friendship in the entire show. Bojack seemingly DESPISED Todd when they first lived together, and Todd was totally dependant on Bojack to keep a roof over his head. Their relationship never goes back, and thats a brilliant thing because Bojack learns to care for others and Todd learns to care for himself
Todd's understanding of the Hoki Poki is what is called "The Death of the Author". Basically, Todd believes that the initial meaning of the art doesn't actually matter. What matters is what the viewer gets from it. This is a quite controversial idea in art. It basically says that creators have no ownership over what anything in their work means.
Look at the paintings from Da Vinci, or the movies from Kubrik Most long lasting art outlast their creator. When it is done, what viewpoint can they bring on it ? All that remains is the art itself and what people get from it.
It's not that controversial. I subscribe to the idea of the death of the author and I attempt to create my art that way. It's free to interpret or whatever anyone wants to do with it. What I think or how I feel about it doesn't matter anymore the moment I release my work into the world. It sort of becomes of everyone. Furthermore that's how abstract art really comes into it's own, when the artist no longer "owns" it. If artists are willing to sell their work, they are willing to part with what is theirs. It's literally like selling your babies. So I generally would prefer to share my art for free, or maybe trade it for anything but money. I don't think I want people to make money off of it.
I wouldn't say they have no ownership though. I think it would be more correct to say they have less control about the interpretation their work may get. As an author, writter or whatever, you might get a message across. A feeling, an idea, a situation. But you must know that people may interpret it in a completely different way than you intended. They have had other experiences and other beliefs that may affect the way they see what you have created. And that's the magical thing about art: no one will get the same out of it.
I love how after Bojack told Todd about how he's not doing big improvements but is "staying out of trouble at least", Todd still is happy for him, saying "Hooray! Staying out of trouble at least!" This is important to me because it shows that when you suffer from things like depression, PTSD, anxiety, take your pick, it's hard to make big improvements and recovery is long and hard, but just being able to do little things, like get out of bed in the morning, fix a good breakfast, taking a shower can be seen as an accomplishment, because at least you got something done, and that's important in the process of healing. Even little things like "staying out of trouble at least" can be an outstanding achievement.
I think they are going to stay friends. Not as close as they were when Todd lived at bojacks house but still. I think both of them grew from their mistakes and have a lot more healthy relationship
I think they'll be even closer than the begining. This might actually be the start of a genuine friendship between them. Bojack was really mean to Todd when they lived together, but now they're talking to each other like.. people. I think it's the start of their friendship, and this alone makes me so happy with the ending.
@@kayturs honestly I really wanted their relationship to be like before and them separating was hard to see but it seems they'll slowly be back to being close or even closer than before
@@kayturs This. Being literally close is not the same as actually being close. I have a friend and we rarely see each other, but the moment we're in the room together it's fun and stuff can get real. We are opposites on a lot of opinions too but that always fades away in mutual understanding.
honestly, "isnt the point of art less what people put into it and more what you get out of it" really resonates with me and genuinely changed my perspective on alot of art
The part when he said "that's why it's called Art" always confused me, I tried to analyze it right now and this is what I got from that: When he talk about his mother "...I did? or she did? or we... «are»" Connects with the part about Art "... Or maybe art doesn't need a point, maybe that's why is called «Art»" The word "art" is the ancient form of "are" Example: Art thou / are you *_It's Art because it IS_* Or that's what I got from Todd's strange phrasing, it's the only interpretation I could came across and I don't know if it's intended, but isn't Art what you get out of it?
Notice that their shadows merge at the very end. I think it implies the possibility that Todd's happy-go-luckiness might finally rub off on Bojack. The ending lines at least show that they understand each other better than ever.
You do the hokey pokey, and you turn yourself around. You turn yourself around... THAT's what it's all about. Only a show like Bojack could turn a nursery rhyme into a powerful life philosophy
While the pun is top notch, imagine one of the writers actively listening to the Hokey Pokey and thinking "Wait, is the "that" referring to the Hokey Pokey part, or the turning yourself around part?!", and working that into the philosophy of the series finale. That's some thought process!
I like how Todd grew and his relationship with Bojack. When Bojack was showing toxic behavior before the interview, he said "You're just like the old Bojack. I like this new Bojack! Call me again when the new one is back." And here the new Bojack returned and Todd came back to him. It's a really nice thing. Bojack really has a good friend there and hopefully he'll one day see it and treat him better.
Rewatching this after months, i just can't shake the feeling, even if it's not true, that "it was nice while it lasted" is directed to the audience, writers, creators and to everyone involved in the show. It makes me feel sad even more, knowking that the show was canceled by netflix, and wasn't in the creators intentions.
@@VegetableVendetta the show was political from the start and made it pretty clear where its beliefs lie in the first season itself also there is nothing wrong with being "political"
@@VegetableVendettaJust saying, life IS politics. Bojack horseman is no different. Choosing not to be interested in politics is like saying "Yeah I actively don't care enough about my neighbors to improve their lives. I only care if it affects me" Not saying politics should be every discussion. Just actively being aware of issues is a great start. I think Bojack did a great episode when they satirized the fracking industry, even if I didn't have any personal opinions about fracking.
@@adannajera250 Bojack was out of prison for one day to attend the "industry wedding". Princess Carolyn was already married, in a much smaller private wedding with friends and family.
“What if I relapse again?” “Then you’ll get sober again.” Bojack’s defeated sigh is so good at conveying just how hard it is to want to get better. I firmly believe in the saying “once an addict, always an addict”, in that we never really get over our addictions, we just learn how to give them up, but we always suffer the risk of relapse. This show was such a masterpiece, to convey the intricacies of giving up addiction in something as simple as an exasperated sigh during a conversation between friends
This scene marks a huge turning point for Bojack. Before, he would usually shut Todd down when he talked about something difficult in his life and wouldn’t ask additional questions. But Bojack seemed interested in what Todd was going through with his mother
I just realized; no Todd is not intelligent or clever... he is very mature, he grew up in maturity during seasons and seasons and that's why I love him
Not many people talk about the line about Todd and his mother's relationship, I always find it so hopeful. Bojack: So what changed? Todd: I don't know, I did, or she did, or we... are?
I just realize that "Doing the hokey pokey with some work associates" would be some kind of innuendo if it came out of any character's mouth other than Todd, who of course means it completely literally.
Everyone dissecting everything from what they say to the littles details in the background is the purest source of information about growth and that's what makes a show memorable, good on you all
Man....these characters, these stories are so human....I’ve been struggling with so much recently, am addicted to drugs and was recently hospitalized because of it, funny enough I had quit before.... I relapsed and it nearly cost me everything...... it hurts me to the core when bojack talks about how he fears he could slip up again, I fear I could slip up again....but when Todd tells him that he will “get sober again” and that “everyday he will set a new record for being sobor”.... well I know it’s a show and it’s a convo between two established characters with their own context....but somewhere deep down it feels like he talking to me....and when am scared I be nothing more then a drugged out failure, I watch this little clip.....and I don’t feel quite as scared anymore..... I really did get a lot from this show, it truly was heartfelt.
It's absolutely valid for you to feel talked to. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. Like Todd says, it's about what people get out of it. When a team makes a series like Bojack, they don't do it just to tell the story, but for the story to be heard. I hope that the show can keep giving you something you need for years to come. I know that I personally keep looking back at Diane and her struggle with "good and bad damage" the arc where she struggles to write her book.... As a depressed writer, I absolutely feel personally addressed here as well
“You do the Hockey Pockey and you turn yourself around-you _turn_ _yourself_ around. That’s what it’s all about.” I swear, every time I’ve felt resentment towards myself for failing in something, I repeat these words in my head. Just turn yourself around and start over again. Because that’s what it’s all about.
this show was so fucking special. a lot of people are bojack, a lot of people are todd, a lot of people are diane, a lot of people are princess carolyn, and a lot of people are somewhere in between.
Yup and even King of the Hill, Futurama, My Little Pony FIM, Regular Show etc. all earned their endings eh and glad they with Bojack didn't drag on and on to become a stale puppeted Weekend at Bernies style corpse like The Simpsons, Spongebob and Family Guy?
I am struggling with self harm and today I relapsed after a year or so. "then you will get sober again" is such a simple statement with so, so much power.
Todd is carried by BoJack so it starts out as only BoJacks footprints then he gets down and makes his own and then they all get washed away when he says “it was nice while it lasted”. Todd started the show being carried by BoJack, sleeping on his couch and having less of his own things to do, then he became independent and split off from BoJack. Then in the end, their past together gets washed away
SOME of the footprints are washed away, but there are new footprints. Todd is carried by Bojack, they're side-by-side, the footprints get jumbled, those get washed away, but there are new ones.
“Oh, you just seemed really overwhelmed at the party and i thought you could use some air.” This part of the scene always gets me. How Todd always seems to notice the smallest things about people and tries to act on those. Sometimes it’s just all about the small things and the people who notice. I wish i had someone like Todd..
“Isn’t the point of art less what people put into it and more what people get out of it” amazing little pieces of commentary like this is what makes this show one of the greatest shows of all time.
There are so many little details in this show that you just can't catch them all the first time you watch it. For instance, I've seen it several times and I only just now realized the significance of the waves washing away their footprints.
Todd has come such a long way; he’s such an important, powerful character. It’s so great to see healthy boundaries in place and understanding that sometimes, it’s better to love from a distance.
I feel like the footprints being washed away by the waves are showing Bojack leaving the past behind him now. It's like the past is gone, and the only thing that remains are the footprints he made while he's standing in that one spot. Then again i could be looking too much into this one.
No no, never think it’s stupid to analyse small things. Sometimes, they can tell you so so much. The fact a peice of art can give you that much to think about is incredible, and I don’t believe the idea that you can “read too much” into things
I kept thinking, "it was nice while it lasted" when he was talking to Diane 💔 I mean, they met at the beginning of the series, and the friendship ended at the end.
Though it doesn’t seem as prominent, Todd had extreme character development while still remaining “Todd”. He is such a beautiful example of healthy optimism
I love how at the end of the scene waves clear Bojack and Todd's footprints, like they can start their friendship from scratch. It makes sense since their dialog was about turning yourself around
I can't help but think that Todd's story about his mother may also apply to Bojack and Hollyhock. Bojack and Hollyhock may never talk to each other again. Maybe he will change, she will change or they just are.... This is Todd still being a good friend, empathizing with his pain and helping Bojack. And maybe one day, just like Todd and his mother, Bojack and his sister will turn themselves around.
Hollyhock gives Bojack something to live for but Bojack was the poison or rather the Horseman family was the literal poison in Hollyhocks life. Distancing from Bojack may be the best thing for Hollyhock as we have seen with Diane , PC and Todd as their lives improved for the better. So in a way its a happy ending for Hollyhock.
you tell me, in my opinion BoJack died and this whole episode is his fantasy about closure he never got with anyone; note that fireworks are red and blue, just like ambulance lights
KazimierzStaszewski Lol you done got me started lol... TL;DR: Don’t like death theories. Kinda don’t agree. It’s too easy, almost like saying it was all a dream, if that’s the case everything in the show becomes meaningless because the motif of learning to deal with all the slings and arrows of negative life experiences in attempts to make a positive change falls apart because BoJack gets an out in his lifestyle with no repercussion and that’s a poor takeaway. Literally could be interpreted as you find peace from your mental issues and shitty behaviors in death, which no That robs Todd’s words of their poignancy: You do the hokey pokey If you can’t even turn yourself around then that’s like the antithesis of what the show is about. ahem. ...hokey pokey... Also... if THIS is how BoJack internalizes death, what’s the point of episode like the View from Halfway Down, or Stupid Piece of Shit, or the entirety of the Philbert arc, or the bender he, Todd, and Sarah Lynn went on? BoJack inertializes his actions in grandiose ways. Constantly looking deeper into things sussing out what motive and character actually means. All in all, BoJack needs to confront the fallout of the things he’s done, learn from it, and move forward. His biggest problem is that he doesn’t quit while he’s ahead nor does he remove himself from situations that are clearly going south. He actually seems like he’d be quite the phenomenal director. Maybe that’s his turnaround, who knows?
@@KidRunnerH BoJack, craved, no - CRAVED consequences for his actions and they come up i n the last episode just like he always wanted - every single thing nicely tied up in 30 minute episode - his life was nothing bad, even though Angela Diaz decded to cut him out. He was The Horse from Horsing Around and even cutting him from it, solidifies him as that.. Horse. Ironically. Yet he is dead. And that signature brings more loss to Angela than she would think of
You know I think Todd is the one who has the most healthy attitude around Bojack : he doesn't let him down but he knows when it gets toxic and when he should take his distance.
this made me cry more than any other moment in this finale haha,,, Todd was probably the most consistently best character throughout the show and this is a wonderful, heartfelt conclusion with them
2:43 THEIR SHADOW! Their combined "you turn yourself around- you had it for a moment- then you lost it- was nice while it lasted" Shadow looks exactly like BEATRICE! I've watched this so many times and only noticing it now. CHILLS. This is briliant on so many levels.
Nobody talks about the fact that this scene is simultaneously a joke about not knowing if Todd is being dumb or smart but also is a huge deconstruction of bojack’s entire life, I feel like he would take “it was nice while it lasted” and “then you get sober again” to heart the way he took “don’t stop dancing” and “keep on running” to heart as a kid, Todd is the opposite of those figures for Bojack, he’s the young one with a young outlook that will hopefully help save an aging man, in contrast to his mom and secretariat who were old people with an outdated outlook that severely damaged a young boys mind
It's astonishing how much Todd does and doesn't sound like Jesse Pinkman at the same time. It's not even Aaron Paul transforming his voice; he even talks the same way as Jesse sometimes. It's like he's doing a parody of Jesse, but he's able to give even the parody a sense of sincerity. Bravo, Aaron.
I think the difference is that Jesse tries to act tough and has been jaded by all the shit he’s seen. Todd’s voice sounds more innocent and optimistic. And you can hear it in their voices
@@alyssapinon9670 I appreciate that this was a pleasant RU-vid comments interaction, thank you. Most of the time I get responses to a comment I left a year ago it's from chucklefucks who seem looking to pick a fight or just quoting something.
Doesn't seem but Todd had a Character development pretty High Low. He..."Coming Out" being Asexual with His Girl Friend's parents. He left Bojack for Discover Himself. He's childish...but Enough for Make Ruthie Laugh He's kinda luckier than Mr peanutbutter:For the Curriculum for be' a simple Employee he became a Fucking Leader, then he got surpassed by that Sex Robot... and He Saved a Submarine City from FUCKING Spaghetti... And he became...Resilient about Bojack...even when he was mad he stayed close to him
I think it's a general metaphor for slowly wiping away the pitfalls of your past. Bojack getting sober, Todd getting a good relationship with his mom, Princess Carolyn marrying and having a kid, Diana moving on past needing Bojack.
Bojack did horrible things, he hurt people in a way that is probably unforgivable. But he keeps on living, people, even those that hurt others keep on living, and as they keep on living, they still need people around them. It's normal and justifiable that some people pushed Bojack away from their lives after what he did, but it's also normal that some will allow him to still be a small part of their lives. Not because they forgive what he did, but because they know that he is still a person, that can try and be better, and needs people around him to make himself better. I am so happy that in some way Todd is still one of those people, Bojack does not deserve him, but he still needs him. This show changed a lot about how I feel about redemption and forgiveness.
