I hadn't watched the bit at the end when I initially read this and thought the joke was "I've already convinced myself T-dra is the best deck in the room because I'm coping so hard, but I'm conscious of the fact that I'm coping and am memeing about it"
Laughed out loud at "getting into arugments about how Yubel Loving Defender (and Nightmare Pain) interacts with Bloom Diva". I've had to rule this scenario a half-dozen times already. For those curious, it's really simple. Neither player takes Battle Damage, whether it's reflected by Nightmare Pain or not ["you take no battle damage from attacks involving this card"]. After Damage Calculation, Bloom Diva inflicts 1000 effect damage ["inflict damage equal to the difference in ATK and if you do, destory that monster"] but cannot destroy Loving Defender ["cannot be destroyed by card effects"]. At the End of the Damage Step, Loving Defender then inflicts 1000 effect damage and banishes Bloom Diva ["inflict damage equal to the difference in ATK and if you do, banish that monster"].
I screenshoted your comment because one of my friends plays melodious and our local is filled with Yubel. The official yugioh rulings page has no answer for this interaction. Thank you.
We might see a new meta of Tenpai jump scares where decks that have the space to slot out 15 cards in games 2 and 3 can transform their strategy into Tenpai relatively easily
I've been doing that with Kashtira. It's insane how good smoke screening most of the kashtira engine outside of Fenrir and maybe the extenders or riseheart and make it pure tenpai. Even Fenrir by itself is a 1 card Tenpai combo.
I really agree with how you articulated thunder dragons place in the meta. Its clearly fighting for that #1 overall spot for the reasons you mentioned. Just a lack of overall representation but that statistics dont lie.
I've seen both mbt and josh say striker now isn't as good as before because they can't easily outgrind decks now, which is true but is missing some context Striker in 2018 had scythe and tcboo to help them when they couldn't make big engage pushes 2019 is when mystic mine comes out, which is probably one of the most powerful cards ever, and striker could probably use it better than any other deck in history 2021-22 is when they had verte for easy dpe access on top of the above stated cards, which had perfect synergy and was massive not just because dpe removes itself from the field, but also because striker to this day is the best board breaking deck, and dropping dpe after simplifying the gamestate, something striker is exceptionally good at, basically marks the end of the game Oh and speaking of control decks that can otk? Well striker could do that at one point too, with halq into selene into accesscode This is a pretty long comment but it's a good example of how people view decks in a kinda weird way, like for example here striker is seen as almost at "full power", except they're missing a lot of very high impact cards they relied on years ago that don't have "sky striker" in the name, which for some reason don't get any acknowledgment
@@literallygrass1328 His point: sky striker decks are not at full power because in previous formats they had powerful non-engine and extra deck options that aren't available now. My point: All the sky striker cards are unlimited, so you might say the archetype/engine of sky striker is at full power when the decks that centre around sky striker are not as strong as they once were. Did I miss something?
Little do they all know, the paleo army is rising. We will outgrind all the opposition and laugh as tenpai cries in the face of our infinite waboku! Paleo pals rise!!!!!
I love ABC, its one of my favorite decks and I still have the core still in my binder. There has been new XYZ union support announced and the cards are cracked. I think its going to make ABC really good again and probably land buster back to being limited.
@@IC-23 not really, youve got transmodify, the new activation card and union hanger as well. also the old school continuous spell for another normal summon. union driver can special it out as well. Edit: Sorry I was looking at the new x-cross cannon. I honestly would probably only run the new xyz retrains, and the abc cards with driver. I probably wouldnt run the og xyz monsters. X-cross is really nice, and we finally will get a special summon from hand which was missing from the union archetype.
@poeskey the issue is cross head isn't a union Hangar Searches Union, B searches unions, driver can inly equip unions (and also x would be stuck in backrow) The spell has to foolish a union/normal with 1800 etc. there's no clean way to search Criss head for free without bricks. Edit: I'm strongly considering running the vanilla since Crosshead just opens up to many lines to not be worth it but now the engine requirements of dead cards in hand being Barbaros and XHead isn't looking pretty...
I... what... I've recently half-joked about me rejoining the game once Melodious gets legacy support. What I kinda didn't expect was that said Legacy support would boost it in the range of tier-list level decks. :O
Watched the entire video with no skipping and I agree where most of the meta is right now. Some of the decks below snake-eye are either still somewhat competent or hasn’t gotten to full power yet like Memento. It’ll be interesting to see what the format will turn out next.
Floo being the last deck in tier 3 and MBT going right into saying, "If you're deck hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm sorry", and I'm like, Woo! Made it in just under the wire! Floo Forever!
alright! I can live with this tier list, Melodious is gonna get better, both pure and splash, one I thing I liked about rio was people played schuberta in their melodious engines, normally it would take 2 bacha and that would be it but no some played 1/2 bacha with a schubeta, I think 2nd place was also siding a copy of Etoile, those stuff I like seeing. This also cause schuberta's price to triple after Rio, she went from 3 bucks to 9 bucks per copy. Bloom Diva vs Yubel forms are always gonna be funny, Bacha vs Bagooska is always gonna be funny, as Melodious adapts to shifter decks, you either gonna spend your resources to end on Etoile + aria and maybe another monster or just pass on a bagooska because let's be honest, which shifter deck is beating bagooska ?
Can't believe Joseph didn't account for the pure psychic shock associated with dropping veidos on a field spell, causing both you and your opponent to question their card purchases.
3:21 "The rest of the deck is dirt cheap sans Dragion" Paidra is currently running for like almost 20 a pop right now soooo Although whlie it is hardly ideal, it could certainly be quite a bit worse. You could be a Melodious player forced to shelved out like 80 dollars for a 1st movement playset, maybe even more
Yeah Paidra is up there but every other main deck card is pennies. Even with Paidra being in the upper teens price-wise the full core is only like 60 bucks rn.
As someone playing thunder dragon in Master Duel...yeah it's not great. I played Yugioh when I was like 10, saw OG Thunder Dragon in the case, knew it was shiny and expensive but couldn't evaluate why it was supposed to be good. I'm having fun with it and I am actually climbing, but the gap in card quality is insane.
The current format is better enough than the last format for me to even participate in the main event at YCS indy. If the last format continued, I was just going to play side events. The good news about these formats is that they got me into the one piece tcg.
This weekend I brought Melodious Centur-Ion to locals and took it. Starting with Ostinato can end on a 3-mat Apoloussa with no opportunity to Nibiru, and THEN making Banshee to search Trudea and do the whole Centur-Ion line for a Calamity on the opponent's turn. So Ostinato is another 3 copies of 1-card starters for the whole combo. If my opening hand already had one of the 16 other one-card starters, then I could go 2-mat Apoloussa + Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon + I:P or S:P before starting the Centur-Ion line (which also ends on the trap that banishes a monster. Going second, the Melodious package can clear the board of 3 face-up cards (or fetch negates) before going into Centur-Ion. All-in-all, 19 one-card starters plus a suite of hand-traps felt pretty solid. Would never make it to round 4 at any significantly tiered event...
As for Centurion, the deck still wants to go for Calamity, sure, but the new pieces make the deck a tad better. Dragon is probably the highlight, as it can enable better rank 8 plays and can send Trudea to the GY (that has used its eff to place itself and another name into S/T). Auxila is a better extender and can protect your backrow **generically** (prepare your Moon Mirror Shields). Not sure about Wake-Up, but could be ok. The deck by itself is just heavily reliant on Primera to Synchro off, which is why I've recently tinkered splashing in a small Branded package - 3x Guiding Quem, 2x Albion, 2x Branded in Red - to get another access to a lvl 4 Tuner to diversify my combos into lvl 12 Synchros. Quem is also a great extender, because if you SS any Centurion Synchro without using her, you can SS Albion and make another lvl 12 Synchro, leaving you to a possibility of summoning Calamity without the field spell, and possibly on Standby Phase. And also Branded in Red gives me a new avenue for ED plays - in my case, Masquerade.
My recent pet Deck Memento has a potential, that is enough for me. Hoping for the banlist to deal with the Snake-eyes so that Memento get to tier. Wouldn't it be funny saying "After 25 years, Tri-horn Dragon is finally tier 1"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think zombie world actually shuts down tenpai. Tenpai's protection only extends to dragon types, their synchros require dragon types, and they also can't chuck heavenly spheres either. I know they could just destroy it, but chundra needs to attack to summon, and you can't link summon in battle phase, so by the time they can get rid of it (without a spell card) would be the main phase 2, at which point they're screwed, because tenpai can't build a board to save its life. (I also search the card regularly as part of my main combo, from rainbow bridge of salvation in my crystal beast deck, as well as searching a negate, so I can keep it alive).
I LOVE tenpai Dragon. I've played so many games with it and against it, and I've had so much fun. So excited about it, now it only I had friends with Trident Dragion
I think Yubel is probably tier 2 rather than tier 3. Nightmare Throne is a one card combo all by itself that can get Rage in the GY with Abomniable Chamber set and a two mat Apollousa, or other combos ending with Varudras or Yubel + Samsara D. Lotus.
Trust me man, ragnaraika is the new tier 0, i swear 😭😭 I love the idea of the deck and tbh am probably just gonna rock it to locals in hopes that one day a good pay off for the tri type infinite link materials it provides is printed. Hopefully i van at least steal a few games 😂
I played against Tenpai Melodius and it was incredibly good. Exhaust interactions with the Melodius then they summoned a Tenpai and i was like "ah, guess I lose"
People are forgetting something....you don't...have to play Thundra to use Colossus. I've seen builds going through Nemeses Flag and Corridor to make Colossus as part of their endboard for an example.
Melodious felt insane in combination with Voiceless. Biggest ceiling of any deck in the format (4+ negates plus SP) and immune to Nib through Guardians omni. Pretty much dominated my very competitive locals (60+ players).
As a memento player yeah it has a hard time playing through 2+ hand traps and depending on the build can be pretty bricky, can’t wait for the new support
I just got 21st place at a regional with Memento and that’s after misplaying terribly and costing me many games. If the Yugioh community wasn’t such a hive mind, they’d actually explore the deck and realize that’s it’s better than most people think (currently).
I like pure melodious, but with 1st movement at a premium, the supreme king pendulum cards are a nice cheap alternative costing less than a single 1st movement
I got third at the seattle regional with tenpai yesterday, i dueled for first in the last round but my opponent slow played like you wouldnt believe. Making games that should have been 10 min’s each 20 then winning in time also shuffling for an unbelievable amount of time just bleeding the clock. Multiple people approached me after saying he’s known for doing scummy stuff like that to secure wins.
I know it's not seeing as much representation in the TCG, possibly due to the lack of Electrumite (miss you everyday) and Baronne (rest in hell), but I would be super interested to hear MBT's thoughts on the Supreme King variant of Melodious, given that we've seen the pure version getting representation in top cuts ever since LEDE and I know he's talked a few times about showing interest in that version specifically. As said, omni-negates right now are a premium and the Melodious engine gives incredibly easy access to Vortex Dragon, either as part of your plays on the way to the rest of your board or as a punishment for a less knowledgable opponent using Nibiru on the 5th summon. I don't think it's the best version of the singing ladies, but it's definitely an enjoyable one that I've personally found a real soft spot for.
That I see melodious in the meta is crazy for me in the past the deck was strong but had something Missing. It had super strong starters but i didn’t think It would get support
where the fuck is my goofy robot army birds It's probably a Tier 3 deck, somewhere between Purrely and Yubel, MAYBE above it? Raidraptor's probably not super popular right now by virtue of being very hard to play, not to mention, while yes there's a good number of decks who can't out the Twin Falcons, guess which deck absolutely can? That's right, it's Snake-Eyes.
I feel like Yubel really relies on winning the die roll. Their turn 1 end board is hard to overcome unless you're specifically tenpai. Games 2 and 3 are rough because of the potential to open entirely non-engine or any of the bricks you run. Plus the backrow hate in the subsequent games. Yubel mirror sucks btw.
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