The K is clocked a little higher, that's it. This CPU is easier to cool. If the power limit is removed, it doesn't really make a difference. My 13700K is currently running at 190W PL. To be honest, the non-K would have been enough too.
Yeah, it isn't a heavily reviewed CPU. This is a video I have seen with gaming benchmarks, you may have already seen it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xR5fucoqGuk.html I think the big takeaway from my testing it and others I have seen, you aren't losing anything really by going with the 13700 over the K.
it's true, for the non K, if one doesn't have insane cooling system like at least AIO 360mm, then you pretty much perform like 13700 ( not counting you are in a cold enviroment with
question: 13700+a Z790 mobo AND a 4070Ti will be enough for gameing (1440p)?! i dont want OC anymore... iam old :D or 13600K.. nice vids, keep up the good work (Y)
If it were me, I would save the extra 50 bucks and get the 13600K. I believe that is a great CPU for gaming and pairing it with a 4070ti will handle 1440P quite well.
So few reviews for this part. Thanks for posting this! I was debating between this and an AM5 setup myself for an ITX build. I ended up going with a 7700X and the Asus B650E-i. Running in eco mode with a -30 offset in PBO, it still boosts over 5.5(!!!) Ghz while pulling under 90w. AMD def seems to have the efficiency edge this time around.
That sounds great. I had the same debate myself and honestly, I chose the I7 simply because I hadn't seen anyone with this. I love what AMD has been doing. I have a G14 with the 6900HS/6700S and I love it.
@@CrashWilcox Super curious how much you can squeeze out of that chip with an optimized power curve. Asus' stock settings tend to go reeeally heavy on the voltage. Undervolting dropped my temps ~15C. I'll def stay tuned! 👍👍
Hello there ! Special thanks for such a great video and efforts you try to share. You earned a sub. from me. Really good knowledge. however, I would like your valuable thoughts about the combo between - 1. i5 13600K with ASUS PRIME Z790-P WIFI D4-CSM/MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR5, (RAM - 5600/6000 Mhz. DDR5 dual kit) or 2. i7 13700 with MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR5/ASUS PRIME B760M-A WIFI DDR5, (RAM - 5600/6000 Mhz. DDR5 dual kit) (n.b. for productivity work mainly e.g. audio-video editing) Thanks.
I would lean towards the 13700 with the ASUS Prime Z-790-P. Z790 gives you more PCi-e lanes, more I/O support. It's a better platform if you would want to upgrade to 14th gen later on and DDR5 is getting more affordable and that will give you better performance.
Helpful video. Thanks! I’m thinking about 13700 or 13900 which has the same power limits. They’re much the same except the 13900 has more cache and e-cores. I’m using a larger case so I can use a Noctua u12a. It will be a fun build!
I think you'll be pleased whichever one you go with though if you can swing that I9 you buy yourself a little extra longevity. Either way, you can't go wrong.
I did a "spare gaming rig" build with this CPU and a 240 AIO, it barely heats up with my simple gaming needs (FFXIV mostly). I'm kicking around SFF build ideas with this CPU as well but I'm definitely nervous about cooling. Probably squeeze in a 240 AIO with that too. Confirmed Z790 ITX board prices are still insane.
If you can fit a 240 in I would recommend it. If not and your MOBO allows for it, restricting it to the 65W or 90 degree max temp still gives good performance.
As of the time of this comment it is selling for $350 vs the 13600k at $320 plus you can get a b660 steel legend for $120. I would love to see gaming benchmarks so I know to go with this combo or not
That would be a good comparison. I think for longevity sake the 13700 is the way to go but if you are just gaming and wanting to upgrade in the next year or two, 13600K and saving some money isn't a bad option.
Good afternoon! With reports of failures from Intel regarding the i9 13th and 14th and some i7 K SKUs, I was wondering if you had any issues with the i7 13700? And if you could tell me, did you leave it at Intel's recommended settings? Last question: the LGA1700 socket has bending problems and some have solved this with mods or contact frames, but I saw (GamerNexus channel) that there is little change in temperature and changing this would be more of an enthusiasm level. Did you make any changes or keep the factory ILM, without mod and without contact frame? Thanks!
What temperatures did you get after you replaced your cooler with Noctua? Did it stop thermal throttling? I tried 13600K with 240 AIO and it was constantly thermal throttling even during light games, like CS:GO. I am using 12700F and it runs amazingly cool and smooth. I am considering 13700, but I cannot find any decent reviews.
Under normal use like gaming and editing it didn't throttle at all. Running something like Cinebench it still would. I think the case I had it in played a role, not great airflow but I would probably go with something like a 360 AIO or D15 air cooler. They run hot.
@@00_UU I agree. Year to year upgrades are more times than not wastes of money. Unless there is some large architecture change it's just marketing. That 12700 will serve you well for many more years.
@@zaylo6941 My guess would be any difference between the two would be very minor in a majority of games. It will be far more dependent on the GPU you are using. What GPU do you have or thinking about getting?
@@zaylo6941 I would still stick with the 7700x. 8 cores is plenty for gaming and that fact that it has integrated graphics is a nicety in case you need to trouble shoot. Do you already own the 4060 or are you buying it?
@@AUGUSTINEMINH So you already own it? If so, why would you need me to review it? If you like it and it serves your needs then that's great! Who cares what I think.
@@CrashWilcox oh sorry I used past tense, I did not own it, I am looking to buy it for 803 USD and sell my macbook pro m1 13 inch because the mac is too small and I don't like macos
@@AUGUSTINEMINH Ok, thanks for that clarification. I would advise getting something with a dedicated GPU. You can find good options for that price and it will make your life easier in video editing.
Subscribed. You made a great video, thanx, ...people should think about these non K chips as just dumbed down K's for the purpose of saving energy. They are fantastic and preferable chips for everything except sustained "extreme" gaming. The old S version CPU's were similar, for example 4770s vs 4770k differed mainly in base speed. The boost speed was similar if not exact for these two ...4.0 as I recall. The concept was similar to the non-K vs K specification, mainly just lower base clock with similar boost. My next upgrade will likely be the 13900 Raptor Lake Refresh non K version. I am not an extreme gamer and I like to put my chips onto commercial motherboards.
Agreed, for the majority of people these with a mid range motherboard is just a great option. I do feel often times we can get led into thinking we need the absolute best or we're missing something. All we wind up doing is spending money we don't need to spend and having a PC with way more power than we need. Thanks for the sub!!
My question is what do you think about such a set: Intel Core i7 13700 (without K) Gigabyte B760 Gaming X DDR4 2 x 32 GB RAM - 3600 MHz DDR4 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Power: 850W Cooling: SilentiumPC/Endorfy Fortis 5 Dual Fan (140mm + 120mm) Case: Be Quiet! Pure Base 500DX 4 x Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 - 140mm (900 RPM) in this case I'm mainly concerned with how long the processor will be able to work under full load (theoretical situation) because it will rather be used in programs for editing videos in FULL HD / 1440p. and sometimes for games in 1440p. Do you think such cooling will work? I would like to avoid AiO type water cooling at all costs.
I think that will be a nice system and with your cooling I dont think it will throttle. Video editing can be a bit tough but usually more so for the GPU. I love the Be Quiet cases as well. You made a good choice.
@@aelukki By and large no. They have fairly close boost clocks, so unless you plan on overclocking the K chip, I don't believe you would see much difference.
Hi sir Im choosing between the i7 13700k or the i7 13700 and partnering it with rx6700xt nitro or rtx 2080 super or rtx 3070ti I like overcloocking but Im not familiar and scared to do it because I might fry some components what do you think using it for sim racing like assetto corsa with mods
The 13700 will work wonderfully for sim racing. It is a very powerful CPU and capable of pushing any of those GPU's. I also have rarely overclocked my CPU's, I think the 8700K was the last one. 13700 will run over 5Ghz stock, that's plenty.
dope review thanks for putting it out, a note though, the glitchy text at the benchmark part is really distracting and makes it incredibly hard to understand the benchmarks, maybe just go for regular text next time lol
Hi, thanks for your review. I do not agree the part about pricing based on the price of z790 B760 motherboard sockets. you can mount K / non K versions on both, and Z chpiset can have other advantages than only overclocking (very often you have a lot of other stuffs than only the chipset (Audio / ports / cooling / etc)) . One other thing, out of the box a K version will run hotter for sure, but with settings you can achieve exactly the same as a non K if you want, you can even undervolt it and consume less than a non K version that has not been tuned. For many years in ITX i've chosen K version even if i do not overclock. One thing also to keep in mind is that a K version keeps higher residual value for reselling. From my point of view the non K will be interesting only if the price was lower. If there is not much between the 2 I would go for a K. Non K would be interesting for people that do not want to make settings in bios, only plug it and go ;)
Thank you for your response. That is correct that there are additional benefits to going with a K as well as a Z motherboard. I would say you probably fall into the category where those differences matter and in that case a K makes sense. If you enjoy the process of digging into the Bios and taking time to get your CPU running the way you want it, then it makes sense. Most people are not wanting to do that. I think most just want to install and get going. As for the resale, that is correct. If you are forward thinking and have the extra cash to spare, K's will resale higher.
@@CrashWilcox This exactly. A decent B660/B760 board pairs well with the i7-13700. I’m running one on an Asus TUF B660M PLUS WIFI D4 and it’s very smooth.
if we consider what kind of air cooling will pull 13700, then the best thing is deepcool ak620. Anything lower will cool worse and, accordingly, the frequency will throttle.
That's a good call. I think you will be sorely disappointed if you think you can save money with a cheaper, lighter cooler because this is a "65W" CPU. She needs a big cooler to run full steam.
When talking about Intel midrage CPU there are 3 issues. I7-13700 Box Build in integrated graphics = Intel UHD Graphics 770 Save energy: 65W CPU Turbo Boost frekvens: 5.1 GHz Comes whit CPU Cooler in the box. No Liquid cooling required can use Air cooling. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I7-13700K Build in integrated graphics = Intel UHD Graphics 770 Do not save energy: 125W CPU Turbo Boost frekvens: 5.3 GHz Push Performance: 3-4 % more (no human will notice it really) Comes whit NO CPU Cooler in the box. Liquid cooling required. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I7-13700KF No integrated graphics, need to have a separate graphics card. Do not save energy: 125W CPU Turbo Boost frekvens: 5.3 GHz Push Performance: 3-4 % more (no human will notice it really) Comes whit NO CPU Cooler in the box. Liquid cooling required ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So the Winner is I7-13700 Box. To save energy, and for normal work office, and NO external big graphics card. And for gamers always goes for I7-13700K to overclock and high end graphics card. And DDR5 is the unly real way to go here. Motherboards DDR4 whit 10-20% less juice power is not for a build for this.
@@CrashWilcox yes we total agree on this 😉 I forgot also points that you talked a bit about. When looking at AIR or Liquid cooling. What do I really need. Can you get a device that have 3-400 RPM at low end its very good. And also keep away for 1400-1600 RPM in the high end. Always go for 300-400 to 2000 RPM to help your CPU. And dBA about 34-36 or less at least or even lower in the 20´s. To get the noise level really low down. To start whit Intel I7 13700 box do have 1 in the back, that is just fine. If you dont have the money for a better one. Just nobody ever push it to hard, whit multi task like gaming, and hardcore video production. But I now 1 big issue for this also comes whit PC cases. Some unly comes whit 1-2 fanes or 3 in the front when getting a PC Case. I see alot use there CPU cooler as a "back" fane to get AIR flow out off the case. So save money, as a multi function device. Maybe not the best way to go, but again money is always a big issue here.
amzn.to/3E8RIj2 Gigabyte Z790 UD AX: This is the MOBO I would buy. It's relatively inexpensive, it's Z790 with WIFI 6E, plenty of I/O and 2.5Gb Ethernet. Let me know if you have any other questions. That link is an AFFILIATE LINK. If you use it to purchase I will get a small percent at no cost to you and I would be grateful.
I'm not sure you can tune down on a B760 but the K for $8 dollars more is a nice deal. Pair that instead with this motherboard in my opinion: amzn.to/45MgEJk
I think per the Intel info, the 13700K pulls around 250W and the 13700 is around 219W. SO in theory, the K should get around 30 extra watts. In my testing the 13700 was hitting around 212 peak.
Actually I think 13700 draws more power than k version if thermal limit is set to unlimited, I don't know if this is due to mobo ....I think i saw it on Tech Notice channel, so he actually recommended K version over non K
First of all I like your review keep it up... So im building a New pc i m gonna get the i7-13700f but im kinda confused which Mobo i will get... Z-690 gaming x or the b760 tuf gaming ? Which is better especially with the vram? Also im getting a peerlees assassin 120 SE cooler what do you think?
Well, I certainly think they are both good options. I like the I/O on the Gaming X and that would cause me to lean towards that board, though I don't think you can go wrong. The peerless assassin looks pretty sweet as well. I think it will do the job for the 13700f.
I have the i7 13700 mounted on an Asus B760-F board and a Noctua U12A cooler, if you get this board be careful it comes unlocked at 253W as if it were a 13700K, I had to touch PL1 and PL2 because all the cores went up to 100º In the stress tests, for the moment I have left it at PL1 125W and PL2 190W and now the temperatures are much more stable, especially when playing. In my opinion, better take the B760 Tuf gaming, if you put an air cooler in it you know that it will not be enough and you will have to lower the watts.
@@ZinouFX If you only connect the 8 pin it will be enough and it will work without problems as long as you do not OC the processor, you will have to keep it between 65W and 219W of maximum performance in the bios settings or simply have the Asus Performance Enhancement disabled if it is a Asus board. Having it above 219 W could give you constant reboots or crashes with just the 8-pin connector.
Not necessarily. What you could do was leave it stock, enable a power boost but limit to 90 degrees C, or full boost no limit. Full boost no limit is essentially overclocking it.
@@jhosven2219 For normal tasks like gaming and video editing, yes. However, if you run benchmarks like Cinebench, that task all cores 100%, no. It will still throttle. With no limit it hots around 215W's. So, unless you are running programs that exhaust the CPU its fine. Otherwise, the D15 might be the right option.
@@davitshainidze5007 That would be interesting. According to intel's product page, it's max turbo power is 219 Watts, which is basically where mine capped out. To be honest though, I didn't have a beefy cooler. I think you owe it to the internet to test this theory out. 360mm AIO for science! 😄
@@Zack-fu8sn Again, im trying to recall. I no longer have the pc this was built in so if Im remembering incorrectly please forgive me. But If the power setting are uncapped I remember it boost over 5 ghz.
I have a question I'm planning to get this cpu and I already have the beast cooler the ASUS ROG Strix LC II 360 I fear high temperatures I don't feel comfortable if one of my pc part's go higher than 70c My question is Will my cooler be enough for non k i7 13700 ? My board is ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI It has 16+1 power , Will this cooler keep that cpu everytime under 70c? Also my limited edition big tower case has 12 fans 2 200mm f 3 140mm down 1 200mm back 3 120mm up beside the cooler radiator And Don't forget the 3 fans of the cooler so it's 12 fans all , What do you think will the cpu stay cool
I think you're going to be fine. Just make sure you manually set the fan curves to 100%😁 But seriously, unless you are running benchmarks like Cinebench you'll be fine I believe.
@Crash Wilcox actually I chose the i7 13700 non k because it's really close to the k performance But with less heating problems Also I will try to undervolt it without losing performance, I don't feel comfortable with high temperatures I know even 80c is safe but it's just me I don't feel comfortable with it more than 70 That's why my pc full with fans and the highest quality ones , Also I heard that the ryzen 9 7900 is the easiest cpu u can cool But I don't feel like I'm ready to change my beautiful motherboard So I'm going to stick with the i7 13700 Ty 😊
i want to buy the i7 13700 buth the difference on price in my country with the "K" version is so minimal, around 15usd, is worth save the money? i already bought an ASRock b660 pro rs and 2x8 3200 ram, i think is worth cuz is easier to cool and i don't want to oc
The only reason I would recommend buying the K model is for resale reasons. If you plan on reselling down the road the K will resell better. Otherwise, save the money and get the 13700. IMO.
@@CrashWilcox But sir, are you able to modify the base clock of a non K CPU ? Like imagine i don't to go all the way up to 5.1 ghz and i just want to stay around 4.ghz , is that possible ?
@@CrashWilcox Ok another thing i would love to understand is -> at which clock speed the cpu runs while im gaming ? Does it go high on its own or do i have to change things in the bios?
My record figure with the i7 13700 was above 28,500 points but the temperatures reach 100º in 8 of its P cores, I had to lower the PL2 and now it is above 26,000 points but with much more stable temperatures. When it comes to playing it is irrelevant, no game usually goes above 125W in a constant mode.
@@CrashWilcox I use a Cooler Master MC600P case with 5 pre-installed fans and a Noctua U12A cooler.I want to emphasize that today there is no air cooling that can support the official 219W of the 13700 and much less the 253W of the 13700K, raising it above 190W begins to suffer considerably from its P cores. I have it set to 190W and its Pcores do not rise above 90º in stress tests.
