After living through the "14nm quad cores are good enough until the end of time" period at Intel while AMD was eating crayons, it still surprises me to see substantial CPU perfomance gains these days.
AFAIK the 8700/k came out the same year as Zen 1 and it still made a joke of Zen 1 and Zen + in performance, especially with all the RAM issues AMD had with early chips.
...especially after the APUs (like 2200G & 2400G) came along. Also that's when the RAM issues were all gone. And that's why I'm still on my Ryzen 5 2400G.
@makaan1932 8700k on fast DDR4 is still able to do 60 FPS, and is not bottlenecking that old GPU too. If you need that RTX 4070 ti now or better, it will, keep the DDR 4, only replace that CPU for some cheap 1700 intel board ! Keep the rest ! Buy the 5060 ti next year only, keep the old RIG 3 more years?
I also have an 8700k and its paired with a 2080 (nonsuper). I game at 1440p and always get above 60fps in most games... which is awesome! But sadly I wouldnt call it "high refresh rate gaming" unless im playing a nondemanding shooter like CS2. I feel like my 8700k does bottleneck my 2080 a bit on certain games. (Especially newer game titles that prefer newer CPU's) Ive had this build since 2018 and man... I cannot wait to upgrade to a newer generation CPU/GPU!!
@BREEZYM6015 Here i did RTX 4070 Ti on old 6900k, and Pentium, Core Duo Extreme. You can still get 60 FPS 1080p on over 20 year old Pentiums on Windows 10, bottleneck the new RTX 4070ti on it ? If you only need 60 FPS, Pentium + RTX 4090 ti will do it perfect too ! Keep the old systems !
I got a killer deal on an old inventory laptop with a 8750k and gtx 1070 for only $300. Doesn't compare to my main rig but it's a nice little laptop for cheap.
I have a 3rd gen i7, 3770k in an old PC and it still pushes on like a champ. Paired with a GTX 1650, it is a solid living room gaming PC, with emulation up till the Xbox 360
Third Gen i7s are awesome. They're dirt cheap because they don't support AVX2 - the only reason I upgraded from mine was to emulate PS3. My nephew has my old rig with a 1050 ti, and he's loving his first PC.
@@bornonthebattlefront4883, I was using an i7 3770k@4.2GHz and DDR3 2000MHz until a few months ago, paired with an RX 590 and I ran a lot of graphics intensive games at high settings at 1080p.
@TechOrigami If it runs Windows 10, you can play any title on it. Keep the GTX 1080 Ti forever too ? GTX 1650 better then GTX 1080 now ? The same ? Keep it please ! NOT getting 60 FPS on it, not needed ! Modern games, only upgrade the GPU to RTX 4060 Ti 64 GB now ?
the biggest lie the gaming tech influencers ever pushed, is that we need to upgrade our CPUs on the regular xD Unless you're gaming on the uber high end with the most expensive GPUs and fancy high refresh rate freesync monitors, any 4 core 8 thread CPU back to ivy bridge is probably still fine. For those building on the thrift, entire PC builds with ivybridge, haswell, skylake etc would still be fine too. just pair it with a midrange GPU and you're fine for 1080p and even 1440p at reasonable settings. edit: if you're getting a used system, getting an old B350 / B450 with a ryzen 1600 or 2600 will probably be cheaper AND overclockable. overclocked that would be equivalent or faster than this i7 8700
These last few updates have been lovely for me. I have paired that same 2080Ti with a 2600k, 8700 (non-K) and now with a ryzen 5700x. For me the bottom lines of these vids is that the 2080Ti is a different kind of special flavour!
Thank you. I’m still running my 8700 with a 1070ti and after this I’m feeling less of the need to start planning for an upgrade at this point in time. Again thank you for making the effort to do these comparisons. I know they take time.
@unionofslavstanrepublics2317 Some people get these office machines now, upgrade it to a Gaming system, only buying that new RTX 4070 Ti for it, bottleneck any CPU ? You should be able to play any game on Windows 10, Pentium can run it, only getting a new GPU only, bottleneck that GPU ? or enough frames now !
@@lucasremwhat are you going on about mate you’ve replied to almost every comment in this video not making any coherent sense and going on how a pentium will not bottle neck a 4070ti? Idk what you smoking but yes it will most certainly bottleneck a 4070ti 😂😂
Im still rocking an i7 8700 paired with an rtx 3060 powered by a 750 psu in 2024. She runs strong playing every game I love to name a few, Battlefield 2042, Diablo 4, Iracing sim and Mech Warior online in 3840×2160 over 60 fps. I dont know when I will upgrade but this is the best CPU I ever owned.
@@theanimerapper6351 Intel knocked out of the park with Sandy bridge. But once I switched I realized I probably stuck with it a little too long. With that said I still have that old system (just in case)
since I'm stuck with an old alienware hand me down, I upgraded my i5 8400 to an i7 8700 for $100. also went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti for $240 (DLSS is a legit game changer). net cost would be about $150 for both. works fantastic for any recent games 1440p at ~80-100fps
@@Jjanssoni then I'd be looking at $500+ in upgrades. new CPU, ram, case, cooler. not worth it when the vast majority of games don't need a better CPU than an i7-8700. even the i5-8400 is fine. Plus playing at 1440p helps push more of the workload on the GPU
@@nintendork07 Doesnt matter what game you play when your cpu is holding back your gpu at all games. I would say your fps would be close to same with rtx2080. Btw i have 2080ti aswell and tried that with ryzen 3600,ryzen 5600x and now 12700k.
I use 12400 in my builds most of the time (I have a good deal on them and Asus MB new from a contact) and people still try to sell 8700k and 9700k for ridiculous price around here anyway...
I’m trying to get a 9700k to replace a 9400f in my son’s PC but the prices for them are insane. You can get a used 11400f (different board) that matches/beats the 9700k for half the price but I need a 9th gen to go in his board.
I love my i7 8700k. Its showing its age a little bit, but I have it paired with solid DDR4 and an RTX 3090. Still going strong at 3840x1600. The only game that has actually caused me issues recently is Starfield.
My new Rig came with a Gold Coolermaster rated 600 PSU branded by OMEN, only the board and the GPU, 4 PCI lanes for the NVMe on i7, why bigger PSU ? My old RIG PSU is 750 Watt, for that X99 Xeon SLi, needing less power now. My next build will be StrongARM by intel again, plus ARC onboard, 100 Watt enough !
Still rocking my 8600k since it released. delided on Liquid Metal clocked at 5.1ghz quiet as a mouse hovers around the 60s still while heavy gaming. I think I’ll wait another year or 2 before I change her out.
Could be worth testing the i7-8700 with Baldur's Gate 3 . You may have already seen Gamers Nexus' video of testing with the game with newer & older GPU's - where they found that the game could be more instructive for CPU benchmarking because turn based gameplay isn't as demanding on GPU's (unlike real time shooters & adventure games) , and (I could be wrong) more of the bottlenecks was on the CPU side than the GPU side. Maybe one way to add a twist to the video is to demonstrate how an Englishman from the land of J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis plays these 'Dungeons & Dragons'.
lmao, baldurs gate 3 is surprisingly demanding on the gpu side, neither of my laptops can run it at anything but 720 fsr garbage mode. And even then im only getting like 20 fps.
Bro talk about timing a 2 weeks ago I basically did this upgrade went from an i7 8700 to a i5 12400. The 8700 wasnt giving me any problems or anything but basically got a crazy good deal plus the ability to finally use faster DDR4 ram was neat
Got a i7-8700 + Z390A + 32GB RAM for 180ish EUR/USD around xmas last year, was very nice upgrade for me, could just move over old cooler and put a cheap M2 drive in there, just needed to adjust stock voltages which were way too high (dropped 20-25W power consumption at full load).
I have the 12400 in both my HTPC as well as my PLEX server. Very good bang for the buck as well as very good power consumption. I was able to get one of the 12400 for $150 from Amazon as they were on sale very briefly,
I've been using i7-8700K , at 4.9Ghz, for almost 5 years, paired with a GTX 1080 Ti, before changing to i7-13700K (and the reason for that is I bought an RTX 4080). An incredibly solid CPU, which now serves my server purposes (undervolted, cos it's overkill for my home server).
I've got a i5-12400 in my living room gaming computer, it has a 3070 for some nice solid performance on the TV and the Intel HD 770 runs as the dedicated transcoder for the plex server running on it and it's perfect.
@@danielkowalski7527reason is you're leaving a lot of performance on the table by being bottlenecked by that cpu especially if you attempt to play modern games
@@ibnuasqallani a gtx 1660s is the best you can have with i3 9100f with little a bottleneck as possible but if you can up your budget then switch to a Ryzen platform or just upgrade to an i5 and get a better gpu with it, currently the rx 6600 is the best cheapest performancing card out there
Good video. If you upgrade a 12400 to a 13500.. You will be surprised at the performance increase you get. Unlike the 12th gen, the 13500 is in a whole different class of cpu than the 13400. The 13500 is an awesome cpu.
@JamesSmith-sw3nk My OLD systems kept on dying, X299 was very bad, i kept waiting for intels 7 to replace that, unable to upgrade it, too many BIOS errors, VRM and microcode issues. Bought the best CHEAP Pre Build on the market, i7 13700 i7 4070Ti by OMEN, before that i was running the old RTX card on the Core Dual extreme, getting 60 FPS in 1080p too ! Over 20 year old Pentiums can run windows 10 good, able to do 60 FPS in 1080p ! Bottleneck the RTX 4070 ti on old intels ? cheaper RTX card ?
Naam is Silva, You bought that RTX 4070 ti for it, still enough frames ! Or even cheaper GPU, still getting 60 FPS on old intels is all you need ? What is the best GPU for it ? keep the GTX 1080 card that came with it too ? only upgrade the GPU on RTX 40XX levels now ?
12400F can be better suited for additional hardware that is new, like PCI e 4.0 storage and GPU and as many of the newer mid range GPUs only has 8 lanes this can have some impact.
@@lurch789 not really, these days many mid range cards(like 4060TI, RX7600) etc uses 4.0 x8 instead of 4.0 x16, cutting the bandwidth in half, so when you put such a card in an old system it is only getting 3.0 x8, that limits the performance in some scenarios. You might want to check modern benchmarks.
Anyway can you make a comparison between 12400f and 13400f? I just want to know how much % is the difference on those two processors and pair it with an 2080ti or 3070
Since 2018 my 8700k delied and OClocked to 5Ghz runs like 5 years under 60°C all the time , and its paired with the beautiful 1080Ti FTW3 from EVGA. The 4x8GB TrindentZ Royals Silver with a Boost XMP of 3600 runs smothley too on my Z370 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon. 5 Years never let me down and in this Years i experienced maybe 4-5 Crash in Gaming. Almost 4 Years and 5000 Hours Spend in PUBG and a lot of other Games! Now it's in Pension , my Childs Born and now we use it as a TV Stream PC ❤❤❤ Never let the Boy Down!
This is a great review of the i7. I found a perfect condition, hp envy model "795-0050" in the dumpster at my apartment. It works great, and looks great. Why would anyone throw it away. Gpu is a 1060 rtx. 1 nvme HD and a 1tb older HD.
I've got this CPU and I've bought the 6700 XT as an upgrade for my old 1050Ti. Pretty exciting, there's about to be some serious gaming done. I'm considering an upgrade to the 12700KF tho
Actually, pretty good results for i7 8700. Comparing price/performance it's good option. I would love to see how Ryzen 5 1600/2600 compare to it. Great video.
I have an i7 7700k with a 3070, has been pretty decent over the years. Had a msi 1080gpu before that just died on me, but I’ve been happy. Considering upgrading within a few years or so, but not sure
@@lharsay well I’m glad to hear I didn’t get the worst one lol. Curious to see what will be on the market within the next 3-5 years or so and if my cpu will start to show its age
Love these types of comparisons for illustrating what kind of difference an upgrade may/may not make in games, the only thing that'd make this clearer would be a more powerful GPU for games like Starfield
@@lurch789 I haven't spent any money on that game but I agree that it's an outlier for all of the wrong reasons, it absolutely does not look good enough to warrant its GPU demands when you compare how things like Cyberpunk look and run
A few months back I was wondering if I should buy a second hand i7 8700, upgrading from i5 2500... Skipped that and went right into i5 12400. A 40% increase in price, but did not regret my choice. Edit: By Jan 2023 I was still using G620 (;p). Upgraded to 2500, then to SSD (from HDD)... then got hooked with upgrading. Having 4 cores from 2 cores was awesome, but SSD upgrade was the real MVP.
I'm running a i7-8700 (non K) with a Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard which I got both used locally in the fall last year for $50 US dollars total. Then during the time finding a GPU was like finding a needle in a haystack I picked up locally a used EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB for $50 US dollars. Turned around bought 32GB kit of DDR4 for like $75 US dollars. All ready had the rest of the stuff like case, psu, ssd's from my old system I was using at the time. Before I bought the i7-8700 and Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard in the fall of last year. For the last decade been using the AMD FX8320 which was showing it's age and limiting the games I could play. The i7-8700 with the GTX 1080 SC 8GB let's me play my games I want to play just fine while getting decent FPS.
And now the i5-13500 adds 8 e-cores on top of the 6 cores/12 threads. Crazy considering Intel did not budge from a 4-core 4-thread i5 for SEVEN generations.
not sure how much effect the poor cooling of the I7 had to do with the performance, but i think it is definitely something to keep an eye on when doing benchmarks...
Man I was so proud of the 8770k I had when I got it lol. It was a golden sample, delided with liquid metal and a Copper IHS that could run benchmarks strong at 5.4ghz.
stefensmith9522 proud you are, for intel, LOL ! you bought a new GPU for it, bottleneck it, still getting 60 FPS in any modern game ! Even on 6900k on > 5 Ghz, it still bottlenecks any modern GPU, but if you only need 60 FPS, any Pentium and up will do that on Windows 10 ! Proud, LOL ! Fanboys feel that ?
@@lucasrem and look at amd having trouble with the newest windows 11 update. Come on do you really need to start stuff about fanboying and what not? Your complaining about Intel on an Intel video and at the end of the day we are all PC enthusiasts
so a guy that had a 8700k for many years, the upgrade to my 13600 was literally night and day, however i dont play singleplayer games, just multiplayer and thats where youll see the biggest difference. even my partners 9500f to 13400f was amazing for a pretty good fps uplift but smoothness and much higher 1% lows
Great video! I wonder how 8 cores on 9900k vs 12700 or 12900 perform, and interesting as well to compare with the 9700k as it doesn’t have hyper threading.
Not the exact setup but I can say having done the upgrade 9600K to 12700KF. I haven't tested the 12900KF I setup yet. The non ks should still be nice also. I think it's an IPC gain, It's been more smooth and less stuttery in recent games.
Thanks, it seems Alder Lake is substantial upgrade over Coffee Lake architecture. We can also project the performance based on the i7-8700K running at a 5 GHz overclock. The linear increase in clock speed from 4300 MHz to 5000 MHz should theoretically result in a 16.27% boost in FPS. For instance, in the case of Cyberpunk 2077, running the 8700K at 5 GHz would yield an average FPS of 82, with 52 FPS at the 1st percentile and 43 FPS at the 0.1st percentile. However, it's worth noting that this is still lagging behind the stock-speed i5-12400F. It is also interesting to note, that in Starfield, the New Atlantis is not CPU bottlenecked by either CPU, but entirely GPU bottlenecked. So New Atlantis is not a CPU intensive location, but overly complex for any GPU to render.
mikegaming4924 You can still get 60FPS in Cyberpunk, any old intel, on next gen RTX 40xx cards ! But the old intel will bottleneck any GPU today, who cares, still getting 60 FPS on the RTX 4070 ti, not needing to upgrade the system, only replace the old GPU ! Why not keep the old RTX 1080 ti too, need RTX that mad now ? If all you need is 60 FPS, you can do that on 8700k + 1080 Ti, and never do any upgrades.
I was quite surprised to find recently that an Intel N95 (low end celeron-esque quad core in my mini-pc that I use for drawing) performs better than the i5-4440 (middle of the road quad core) that I had back in 2014 - 2018! And by quite a lot.
The i5-14500 going to put these to bed with all the threads 😂 nice video I think games are getting back to being cpu intensive more than lately it’s like back in the day you could get any card as long as the cpu would hold up
it would be interesting to see if you could use the intel tuning tool to change the boost timings or use the mobo to adjust BCLK and see what difference that makes
Crazy to see the gains/IPC improvements over latest gen, been running a few benchmarks on an older Ryzen and getting handily beat by newer i3 in CPU tasks regardless of cores/threads. Edit: Lol first CS2 gameplay I've seen, did they just smear some Vaseline over the screen and call it a day?
Great choice of chips to compare, but it's weird how the numbers are constantly showing a 20-30% improvement meanwhile your VO says they're "very close" etc. It feels like you're trying to sell me your 8700.
I'd love to see a video of a head to head comparison with the i7 8700 vs a xeon 1650v3 or even a ryzen 1600x. Would make some fun and interesting content imo.
@T.Lspitz You will bottleneck any modern GPU on it, specially the old Xeon's on consumer boards. But you will still get 60 FPS only on any modern GPU in windows 10 !
@@hoodie_ninjayeah... and used ryzen cost less than i5 8400 + you may find motherboards in similar prices and it is easy to make better ram work on AM4, when old Intel is locked to 2666mhz beside z370 motherboards. Ryzen cost only a bit more, but all cores are in one ccx, so there should be almost no games where it is slower than this i7.
I recently did a new build, my old one had the 8700 in it paired with a GTX 1080 Ti. Figured it was time for an upgrade when I tried to play the last of us and it just locked to 100% usage and screamed in agony while the game ran at 30ish fps
Very impessive of that 8700, expected a little worse. 8700K at 5ghz/4.7ring with high end ddr4 (4000mhz+) and 35ns memory latency should be on par in gaming and will actually give a snappier pc than 5600x/12400. So it's overall in a way better than these, I certainly wouldn't upgrade to recent locked 6 cores from that.
I think this shows that if people open their minds when it comes to past gens, the barrier to entry, for a solid 1080p 60fps Experience on pc drops to the floor and anyone can join.
Gonna continue banging on about nVidia driver overhead for slower CPUs and why I think it might be better to test with AMD GPUs when doing CPU-limited runs.
Could you maybe take a look at how the 9900k is doing nowadays? Feels like everyone forgot that chip existed even though it was the best gaming choice back in the day
"even though it was the best gaming choice" No - it never was the best gaming choice - it was the best performing CPU for gaming but it was still a bad choice in general due to how expensive it was.
It's nice to see counter strike back into the gaming benchmark world. It was forgotten for a long time. I also used to experience a lot of stutter at the beginning of evey CSGO match and I thought it was because the game was installed on a HDD, but when CS2 came in, I installed it on the HDD and all the stutter was gone, there is literally a lot less stutter than before, so the problem was not the hard drive lol
@@valentinsteam I don't have an Nvidia card and Nvidia doesn't have this problem. It's only CS2 though and on Linux there does not seem to be a problem with RX Navi and Shadercache as of now Valve has to fix this
I have 8700k, delidded & 5.2 Ghz (AVX -1) OC, now it's 1080/1440p gaming beast, especially with my 3060 12 (with minor overclocking and undervolted to 900mv)
This is a great demonstration of the crazy high driver overhead that RTX 2000 suffers from. 8700 can still game fine, but faster CPUs scale up RTX 2000 performance very consistently. Would be cool to see this CPU pairing head to head with other GPUs to see if these very flat and high gains are present in other GPU generations.
This video was helpful to show that if you are stuck using a i3-9100f a i7 8700 is really good specially for the price comparing to i7-9700 and i9-9900k. Also i don't have a good motherboard for a i9 so i ll be stuck with it for now.
As someone who plays starfield using an i7-6700k with 32gigs (2x16gb sticks dual channel) of ddr4 ram (3000mghz) and a 3070 i can confirm that the 20-series nvidia cards are 'holding you back' in regards to FPS,, i get a consistent 45-55 FPS at 4k with my now 'out-dated but once upon a time beast rig' though the cpu cooler fans do ramp up very often (which is to be expected :)
