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Ian Glendinning, aka Psybertron, on Complex Systems Thinking, Cybernetics and Quality 

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Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
05:32 Geeky Kid to Engineer: Ian Glendinning's Journey
Ian Glendinning is an engineer from the northeast of England who has had a long career in the energy business. He grew up as a geeky kid, reading Jacob Bronofsky's Ascent of Man and excelling in STEM subjects.
14:41 Exploring the Complexities of Information Management
Ian Glendinning and Karen Wong discuss the complexities of information management, from the physical technology mismatch between office-based design and hands-on construction to the need for digital twins and sophisticated models to capture the relationships between physical items. They also explore the challenges of using AI to discover patterns and relationships in free-form text.
Managing Information
23:41 Exploring the Difference between a Spade and a Shovel
and how this difference can be used to illustrate the complexity of writing specifications. They also explore the implications of this complexity in the civil engineering and aerospace industries, and how it has led to a shift in thinking about physical models of the world.
28:09 Exploring the Concepts of Cybernetics and Systems Thinking, including the differences between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order thinking, the role of feed forward and feedback loops, and the functional relations between internal and external systems. The application of these concepts to the example of a watch, and the difficulties of multitasking with multiple screens.
Cybernetics
35:03 Exploring the Relationship between Physical and Functional Relationships including the idea that physical relationships are better thought of in terms of what they do, rather than what they physically are. They explore the concept of scalability, and how it applies to metaphysics and pre-intellectual societies. They also discuss the idea of mutuality in experiencing, and how it relates to observer disturbance.
Functional Relationships
43:11 Examining the Relationship Between Actions and Beliefs
Values are betrayed by one's actions, and that in the last few hundred years, people have become more focused on intellectual identification than on direct participatory actions. They also discuss the importance of understanding the intent behind a piece of information, and the potential for hidden agendas.
46:43. Comparing the Perspectives of Iain Mcgilchrist and Mark Solms on Brain, Mind, and Consciousness
They note that the two are friends, but have not referenced each other's work in any published paper or book. Ian Glendinning suggests that the two are both right, but have slightly different perspectives on the matter. They also discuss the scalability of this kind of thinking and how it relates to industrial information modeling..

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@aqualityexistence4842
@aqualityexistence4842 Год назад
I thoroughly enjoyed this convo! Thank you so much for getting together, and I'm thrilled this happened! Welcome to TLC Ian! I hope to be the next to interview you about your thoughts and experiences around RMP and that special summer 20 or so years ago. I have used Ian's amazing Pirsig biographical timeline often, and it has been a fantastic resource, as well as Ian's wonderful Psybertron blog. Hope to see you on screen soon, Ian!
@Terpsichore1
@Terpsichore1 Год назад
“The Stuff” = “The Field of Potential”. Autostereograms of related perceptions. Perhaps that’s just me? Great to have Ian recognising the contributions of MS’ work. I wish there were more. Another wonderful discussion Karen. Hopefully you can have him back for a 3-way with Sevilla. Regarding your final excerpt, I was always struck in hindsight by how one could perform the intricately difficult, lengthy and complicated technical sequences of dance without a single thought in ones’ head. It’s as if one momentarily disappears into “The Stuff”. Drawing back? Tikkun. Thank you both.
@williamjmccartan8879
@williamjmccartan8879 Год назад
10 minutes in and I can appreciate what Ian is saying, as someone who worked in direct construction positions over almost 40 years. If someone has designed something to fit a specific need, then you are left trying to see what they saw on a screen or a drawing. I thought we would have had a handheld display that would layer any project from concrete to computer terminals, but it never came to pass, this would cut down on overexpenditures that can come in between 2 and 15 % of the overall budget, when you have billion dollar projects it would've paid for itself. That's just 10 minutes in, Ian in the latter part of the 43 minute mark mentions a crucial point, if I write a definition, who's to say I'm correct? On the other hand, if we can't agree on basic definitions, from say a dictionary, then aren't we just hanging around the wreckage of the tower of Babel? 53 minutes, Dave Snowden is one of the most known sources today when dealing with managerial matters. Great podcast, thank you both Ian and Karen. Peace
@aqualityexistence4842
@aqualityexistence4842 Год назад
Ian is so right about Pirsig being underhandedly influential, but so removed from academic cultural immune system, that he is rarely cited herein. It takes a confident and special person to give credit to RMP where credit is due, even though I think his prescience is unfolding all the time
@ssevkin
@ssevkin Год назад
Fantastic! Thanks to you both! I love the perspectives on the high level thinking that's influencing our convos in tlc
@Terpsichore1
@Terpsichore1 Год назад
Hope you can join them next time Sevilla.
@aqualityexistence4842
@aqualityexistence4842 Год назад
@@Terpsichore1 Me too!!
@Jacob011
@Jacob011 Год назад
The point of digital twin isn't really replication (that's what the specs and the plans are for). Digital twin is a continuously updated (computer) model of the appliance/machine in operation (e.g. turbine) for the purpose of diagnostics, monitoring. In Bayesian sense, the model is a belief about the state of the system (appliance/machine) right now at this point in time, based on all the sensory measurements collected about that machine up to the present time.
@MrPsybertron
@MrPsybertron Год назад
Sure, not for "replication" per se, but a current replica / model (twin) at any point it it's lifecycle history (which might include a future clone). Didn't intend to imply that, and it was only a tiny part of a wide-reaching convo 🙂
@williamjmccartan8879
@williamjmccartan8879 Год назад
Haven't started watching yet, but I was wondering if you could maybe have a chat with Gregg Henriques and Michael Levin, you've spoken to Michael a couple of times and may have had Gregg on as well, not 100% sure. Michael seems to be at a crossroads in the conscious development process and Gregg has his consciousness model worked out in a very discernable manner, from the beginning of life, to plant, animal, and human, I was thinking that they may actually agree with each other about the different stages of development and what that might bring to Michael's work. I delete the question after you respond one way or another. Have a wonderful day Karen, and all the best to your family. Peace
@TheMeaningCode
@TheMeaningCode Год назад
Could you point me to the best summary video of Gregg’s theory?
@williamjmccartan8879
@williamjmccartan8879 Год назад
@@TheMeaningCode I'll go back and have a look to share with you about this specific point
@williamjmccartan8879
@williamjmccartan8879 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k4dr2h8Cbuo.html This is a couple of years old, I've been following Gregg for about 4 years and his interactions with John Vervaeke in a few different series they put together. I'm re-watching his Intro to the Tree of Knowledge system he has created, and think this would be a great place to get an understanding of his work. Thank you Karen, the video is about an hour long and I believe it would answer some of the questions you may have, I've emailed him this afternoon to inquire about what video he might recommend I send you, he wasn't 100% sure so I've chosen this as an introduction. He has also been following Michael's work and can see some of the challenges he is facing discriptively, peace.
@evolutionarythinking5096
@evolutionarythinking5096 Год назад
@@TheMeaningCode ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zvwt-98kcFM.html ActInf GuestStream #011.1 ~ Gregg Henriques
@MrPsybertron
@MrPsybertron Год назад
Funny, I just picked-up a reference to (Gregg) Henriques only today, Vervaeke too as well as Levin - I know Karen already has them all linked - a tangled web of overlaps and connections.
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