Mary couldn't leave since she didn't have anyone to trade off with. I also think the world doesn't quite want her to leave but if Garry dies there's nothing to stop her. Think of it like a trade, Mary doesn't exist but Garry and Ib do. By switching Garry ceases to exist (Painting) and the world aligns to make the anomaly Mary exist by making her Ib's sister. In the other ending I believe they mind break not long afterwords and become clinically dead so it wasn't slow.
i feel like people who see mary as either somebody who can do no wrong or a terrible evil villain are kinda missing the point. she has a good motive in wanting to leave the gallery, but she's not justified in trying to kill garry just so she can take his place (and eating the candy in "together, forever" so ib wouldn't have any memories of him was dickish too). overall, she's not a completely one sided character and that's what makes her so interesting.
True! Thats what makes characters like her so interesting. I just wish people acknowledge that liking such characters dont mean they should turn a blind eye on their wrongdoings. Same goes for people who hate her and completely disregard her motive, the how and why she did things. Hence, she wasnt meant to be a good or bad character. Idk why ppl insist that she is completely one or the other when she is pretty complex.
she was not "just a villain", "just villains" are one-dimensional characters used in hollywood movies so that we don't feel bad for them when the good guy beats them in the room where you burn her painting with the bunch of books on the floor, there was one called "how to make firends" and god i felt so bad for mary when i saw that, i imagined her all alone in the fabricated world all those years, just wishing she would have one real friend and seeing garry's expression after finding that book, you can tell he felt bad too
In 2012, when I was 12 years old, I played this game for the first time and liked Mary right off the bat. I adored her ending the most, and even though I felt bad for Garry, I couldn't bring myself to let Mary suffer alone in the gallery forever or cease to exist. I stubbornly wanted her to get what she wished for and be happy. Now I'm 20, and today I replayed the game. I didn't remember almost anything about the gameplay and the ways to get certain endings, but I was still lucky enough to get the best ending. Promise of Reunion. This time I noticed tiny little things about Garry that I couldn't comprehend when I was little. I got deeper in his personality and felt like I could finally understand him, probably because I'm in his age group now. Of course, I still like Mary. She's still a pitiful child that deserves better. But this is not the reason to kill a good man just to let her live in his stead. Mary deserves to live, Garry does not deserve to die. Mary is fiction. A painting. A being that is devoid of humanity, morality, soul. Even when she gets out of the gallery, she still keeps her memories. And that means she keeps her state of mind, her traumas, etc. Something that will always make her different from humans. Garry belongs to the real world. So he has a full right to go back to where he belongs. There's no excuse for robbing him of his life. And this is exactly why PoR is the best ending. Garry is alive and well. And Mary gets liberation from the eternity of pointless existence in a harsh, harsh reality, forever alone. Something no child should experience - real or fake. Yes, she ceases to exist. But this is the only just way to let her find peace. So I guess growing up has taught me that happiness and justice go back to back. And sometimes real happiness is bittersweet.
That's a good point--at least in the Promise of Reunion ending, Mary isn't suffering anymore. Better than her stuck in the fabricated world all by herself. That makes me feel a bit better about liking the PoR ending the most.
Funny thing, I had the same opinion on Mary as you did when you were smaller! I was around Ib's age when I discovered the game through youtube, and upon watching the playthroughs, I took a liking to Mary more than Gary. In retrospect, it was probably because I was a little girl myself, and therefore could more easily understand and sympathize with her in comparison to the grown man that was Gary. After all, I knew all too well how powerless a kid could feel, and how cruel or unfair the world could seem to them. I pitied her and her situation, and although I knew Gary was a nice guy, I wasn't old enough to connect with him like I could with Mary. Given that, it seemed only natural to me to root for her, to want her to be able to break from this unsavory mold for once. Kids don't usually have the power to change their situations in real life- most of the time, fate is entirely out of their hands and they are at the mercy of others. Now that I think about it, isn't a lot of juvenile fiction just wish fulfillment? Despite how cruel and merciless her methods in obtaining her freedom could be, I suppose I couldn't resist the story of a little girl being able to change their situation for the better for once, given I was a little girl myself. Now that I'm an adult myself, I connect with Gary way more. After all, adults are no longer as much of a mystery to me as they were to 9-year-old me, and I even marvel a bit about how selflessness and concerned he can be for Ib throughout the game. He's a good guy, and as much as it hurts to say it, he really doesn't deserve to die just because Mary wants to see the real world. Even so, I hesitated on the idea that Mary, with no other form of relief, was probably better off dead. Still, you're likely right about PoR being the best ending. Mary could not live in blissful ignorance inside of Geurtena's World like the rest of the paintings- her sapience from being Geurtena's most human work is more like a curse instead of a blessing. So long as she lives, she just cannot bring herself to be content with this world she lives in. She must feel like she doesn't belong anywhere- not content like the other art pieces, but not entirely human either, and that sentiment is devastating for a little girl that has to spend the rest of eternity in such an awkward spot. Although I'd imagine Mary couldn't understand this, perhaps dying would be a more gentler fate. She shouldn't be burned out of hatred, betrayal, or disgust for her true identity; she should be burned out of compassion and a wish for her eternally restless soul to finally be put at ease. All in all, I guess it's best to understand that neither of them deserves to be truly hated as characters. As people, sure, but it's hard to really fault either character for their actions, given their circumstances.
The first ending when he's gone crazy. You remember him saying (not the exact same) "That is disgusting! Who'd do that to a girl? If I'd see that, I'd certainly tell them off." Even if he is crazy, he would still help others. (But in a twisted way. Cus for example he doesn't realize that the "bad ones" in his new point of view, are actually the good ones.) My love for Garry only grows xD
Won't Tell not another person who writes down names of people who broke/destroyed the universe writes Won't Tell's name down on the people to "take care of" list
The dark paint represents the abyssal water by the way. You see the same effect within the Abyss in the final dungeon. It kind of reminds me of the red stuff from Amnesia that slowly encroached on the castle.
The only way something made me feel *that* bad for Mary These endings are harsh, on the first she gets more and more insane, in the second she goes alone and confronts darkness... WHY ISN'T THERE A WAY YOU CAN SAVE EVERYONE??
because the laws of the distorted realm won't allow it...For her to be free, be human, she must take the humanity of another. That, coupled with her broken understanding of reality, forces that fate upon her.
Poor Mary, all she wanted to do is escape her painting and have hugs and smiles ,and all she got was darkness. Big sis could of came to life and directed her little sister that they are fiction and don't belong in reality. Im going to write a story about two ladies as two paintings that shouldn't live in reality. The older painting is the big sister and the newer painting is little sister..
+Aaron Wilson I think the Lady in the red is the true villian, or the two the red and blue ladies are jelouse of Mary because she is the best painting of Guenterma so they use the heroes to kill her, I think this is the reason why the author dislikes the the sacrifice ending cause the two paintings, would not let Mary out unless they can stain her by having her kill someone, naturally IB would return and drag Mary back to save Garry , so none of the endings are true endings
Can't. Mary isn't real and as such, can't leave the gallery without taking someones place, if you pay attention to the ending where Mary actually DOES get out (together forever), Gary died. I think (and this is just a theory) that Mary has to actually take someones life to be able to get out herself.
Deverey1 that'd be nice but this is was better without it. it'd kinda undermine the whole story if everyone was to be all happy regardless of what mary tried to do.
Deverey1 I know this comment is 3 years old, but the reason everyone can't escape is because if 2 go in, only 2 can go out. And there's 3 of them, so someone has to get left behind (or die)
@Jett Lucas Hayes if they jump at once Mary still wouldn't be with them. One has to die for it to work. If they jump at once Mary will end up in the fake world where everything fades to black. She doesn't exist and isn't human. She can't be apart of the human world without taking Gary's life
10:45 wow mary just wow. being all "ib , gary where are you?" ..you know where they are. back in the room where you left them. you didnt seem to worry or care about them and their state and youre only calling for them cause now youre lonely. this is just me but what a selfish character.
bs JAK I still dont like her as a character :/ she murders gary in multiples endings and stabs IB if you dont get to the painting in time. She abandons both when they decide to stop looking for the exit in the newest endings. In other words , you stop being usefull to her she will probably kill you or leave you behind? Shes not real/human so she probably has no morals or something. Cause its ok to murder innocent people if youre lonely? Welp, I still dont like her :/ and my fav endings are the ones without her. (this is just my personal opinion, its cool if others like mary)
SodaFlavour Good point. But how does one learn about "morals" in such a twisted world ? Mary can pass as a human being since she looks and acts convincingly like a person, but it also depends on how you define "human". :3
I don't think people get it. Mary is not supposed to be a good character. She is a villain in the game. She is not real, she is just a painting. She wants to take a real persons life so she can live a real life. That is what a villain would do in any game, movie, or tv show. I don't see what people are missing.
TheDarknessHalo nah she's a villain. when someone is chasing you around with a knife you don't stop to think about why theyre doing it. she is a villain because that is the way she was created, and there isnt anything more to her. she has no right to exist outside of that world. none of guertena's other artwork was particularly benevolent, and neither is she.
Hawkalon Actually, she was the last of Guertena's work, she was meant to be the most human of his work. Member when Gary reads the book and it said that she seemed almost human but is merely just a painting? She was a painting given human emotions but could never be fully human. You can't just classify her as just villain, because being just a villain would require evil intent. She's not evil, because she doesn't know what evil is, not yet. She just wanted to not be alone but she didn't know how to do it without hurting someone, she doesn't stop to think because she doesn't know any better. Saying she has no right to exist is just cruel, because she dose exist.
Mary kind of reminds me of Flowey/Asriel. Or rather the other way around because Ib was there first? well, anyways. they're poor babies that do a lot of shit
Toasted Toast sentient beings fabricated from technically nothing living, determined to stay alive something without a soul that gained the will to live, essentially
I thought at first that Welcom To The World Of Guertena is a beautiful ending. They'll be happy and together,and maybe Garry's mindset of getting out is lost and he fancied staying while Ib thinks that wherever they are, as long as they're together, she's happy. It was cute when Mary was suggesting things to do and I thought it was the best ending! Until I saw she took the roses while they slowly die =_=
See I've felt sorry for Mary the second I saw her ending with Ib, but then I started to re-think, Mary's just a painting, She always has been. The only life she's ever had was as a painting on a wall, and this weird thing. Garry and Ib both have pasts and history, and are made from flesh and bone, not paint. It's still sad, because who'd wanna be trapped in a place like that. It Could Make Anyone Go Psychotic. Garry Even Said It Was Bad For His Mental Health.
Do you remember the Rose sculpture in the exhibition? it says the Rose only grow in a wholesome heart? That is why Mary don't have one.Mary is the last work of gerutena, I believe that is why she is more like a girl than others works.But she still not human, and ready to kill others once she is unsatisfied. If she want, she can let ib and Garry go easily for all monsters have a Good relationship with her.but she Will never do such things
In the Painting's Demise one, I heard if you check the inventory when the lights are dimming, there's supposed to be some morbid images or something...
What's with all the hate on Mary? She's a little girl (probably nine years of age) who wanted friends in the real world and freedom from the cursed gallery. I know she's supposed to be the "villain" of the group, but you at LEAST have to feel SOME sympathy for her. In the Painting's Demise ending, we know that Mary went by herself, to the "real" world. The museum was closed and locked. Mary wanted to go outside, but it's a possible chance she died of starvation or worse, killed by one of the statues (considering it got dark, she must've bumped into a statue and it fell on her, thus killing her) in the museum, considering she's "human" in the real world, instead of a "painting" in the cursed gallery. I actually liked the ending where Ib and Mary escape. I honestly think that Mary should have a happy ending, without sacrificing Ib and Garry.
Hmmm? Yes this is version 1.04, it added a bunch of new content which can be seen in my Ib 1.04 playthrough. Specifically it adds a new end game dungeon.
Wait Mary called for Ib, then Gary the. Father which was after she called Gary... Gary mentioned that he doesn't wanna tell the truth nor lie when Mary took his rose and played with it and Ib was walking tight Gary. Gary was also in one of the paintings in the real world with people and it was in the ending: forgotten portrait. Thought processing.... Gary . . . Is. . . . . Mary's . . . . . . . . FATHER
the ending can also be achieved if you save garry and burn mary's painting or burn her painting but garry dies. the endings to where the world creates a fake garry if he dies after marys portrait is burned. if garry dosnt make it then its ibs mother instead and you get ib all alone if you follow them
It probably was the real world, it was most likely she couldn't live in the real world because she didn't take the place of someone, like in one of the endings, Gary stays behind, and she takes his place as Ib's little sister, Gary died which let her go, but Ib and Gary never actually died just went insane and or got depressed, the only reason the world was changing was probably due to the "art" world trying to bring her back knowing she wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.
Hey ManlyBadassHero, what is your intake theories on the endings? Like why cheerful Mary couldn't leave the gallery? Or your thoughts on the other ending where both ib and gary remained in her world. Do you think they suffer a slow death?
...Do we even know if Mary and Ib remember anything at all in the ending where they leave Guertena's world? I don't get how could she show remorse if she doesn't have memories of doing anything bad. Mary didn't kill Ib and Garry in that ending, they both probably died for lack of food and stuff. She's a fucking child, and doesn't seem to get that they're dead (Heck, she wanted to keep playing with them)
You can still see the petals on the flowers, so it was Mary who killed them. And it was origionally the ladies in colors who owned the roses, so that's why they want them back.
Oh and for those of you confused about The World of Guertena ending, here's my take on it. They weren't dead yet, but seeing as Lady in Blue had Garry's rose and Ib's rose is just laid out with some petals gone, it's implied that eventually, they'll die. Even with the roses in tact, you can't survive without food and water... (the water I'd assume isn't enough to sustain them).
My reaction to "A Paintings Demise": Well Mary great job Mary, you decided to bring yourself to the real world and break the universe. So yeah Ib and Garry are probably dead and yeah great job, Mary, great job. And I do have an idea for a good ending where the three escape. It's called "Together, As A Family" where Ib, Garry, and Mary are now a family.
but there are two endings similar in different ways to that... "Sacrifice" is where Garry and Mary are brother and sister (the family part of it). And "Together, Forever" starts with the same exact word as yours and is too similar to your idea for it to be added (if it ever were). I just... couldn't be, let's put it.
The lady in blue has Garrys rose in her hand, and blue petals are on the floor, Ibs rose lost a few of its petals and its on the floor. She did go up to Garry to take the lighter since his rose was already taken before the scene changed. Sorry if it sounds like a rant but I just wanna help you out since it is a little confusing...
the roses belong to the paintings. thagt rose IS blue ladys rose. thats why it says theif in red when you steal the rose from the red lady. also they arent dead at that moment. garry will be of the blue one doesnt stop. garrys a sleep and ib went crazy after garry did.
Just like to inform you that Ib 1.05 is released but just some bugfixes. Well the most important one though is: "Some things that got left out of the true gallery were added, including a very special guest." Also reminding you of the ending you missed.
I'd like a lot an ending with everyone happy. Like Memories crannies, but with Mary as Ib's sister or like Promise of reunion with Mary as Ib's "sister" with her apology to Ib and Garry.
You're right, he rightly was scared as hell. Garry's known for being a wimp, he's not going to move towards ANYTHING holding a weapon if he has any other ideas to avoid injury. Anyway, if Mary didn't die, she'd just go after the next person to come along, so I don't think it was wrong to do, nor was it done with cruel intentions. The deciding factor for me is Garry showed remorse afterwords if you stop to investigate her things, but she's crazy and uncaring of their lives to the very end.
that first one is just... and i thought GARRY went insane... yet here we are... the painting of a girl driven mad by being trapped here, playing with the dead bodys of ib and garry... '-'
Is ironic that everyone was talking about how they hate Marry and that she deserved to stay in that world for hurting Garry and Ib but now everyone is like "Poor Mary, I wish she could escape..." Just to let you guys know, for Mary to escape she needs someone to take her place, either Ib or Garry.
Damn... that 2nd Mary ending really gave me the creeps... and I kinda felt for her, since she was just looking for some fun and happiness, but yet all she got was emptiness. The dark paint all over the floor was really creepy too... :S
if only Mary wasnt so crazy about it... :\ i do feel bad for her being all alone and wanting to get out but then you have to take in the whole gallery as a lonely character in that it didnt want her to leave. I guess you cant get everything even if you tried. i do like the idea of Ib and Mary being sisters and Garry being an added friend :) itd be cute... til the gallery came back to haunt them 0_o
Garry: Whaaaa? I don't believe it! Really? Are you for real? 'Cause that's disgusting! Who'd do that to a girl? If I saw that happening I'd tell them off for sure! Me: Garry, why do you talk like a lady?
Me watching the World of Guertena ending: Oh yay, how cute! A welcoming party! *Screen fades* *remembers other endings* WAIT! MARY'S A PAINTING, DON'T DO IT!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!! *The party scene* Well, fuck. I warned them. A little too late, but I still did!
I agree with you on that, but Weiss Guertena doesn't seem to think so. It appears that he is still alive and currently residing in his world of painting?
but the problem is, wouldn't you go insane if you were stuck raised by paintings and had no "father"? It wasn't really "her choice" to make the rules they way they are. i'd say she isn't aware of what she's doing, and how it affects others. she just knows she has to leave one so she can go out. Think of it as, a mistake that we make. Sometimes we make a choice/have intentions to do something for an innocent purpose but others hate us for it because it's not exactly a good thing to their eyes.
