What Went Wrong? - We Happy Few 

*raisn* *bron*

The Bron Jame

bron

Bron dmg.

Bro dw, that bron dmg does hit hard sometimes

This is a genius idea

Yeah, I thought it would have some effect on the map other than being slightly worse than withdrawal

I figured that it might impact the perk system. like if you have memory damage perhaps random perks disappear or you take longer to get new ones

@@headcrabking9054 I think that having your perks be randomly changed over predetermined intervals while suffering from memory loss would do quite well, because the game was already being loosely compared to Bioshock, which jas an endgame sequence where collecting a quest item limited you to a single ability that would periodically cycle through a predetermined list of abilities that would always be the same, even if you didnt own some of the items in the list. Then again, making the perks change randomly might be extremely frustrating, since you would have to check your menu constantly to see what you habe to deal with, interrupting gameplay, whereas with the Bioshock example, you could immediately tell when a switch was happening, but you didnt have to go into any menus to see what changed. Perhaps making it so that the map was unreadable while experiencing a memory loss, or randomly changing your equipped weapon while hiding the contents of your inventory would be an interesting approach, seeing as that would force the player to think on the fly whenever their weapon changed, or try to re-equip their weapon while not being able to see what they are equipping, perhaps while normal gameplay was still happening as you were inventory like how it works in Minecraft would be interesting.

I _think_ that happens when you play the classic/survival mode, but it's been a while since I tried it.

Most $60 games aren't very well polished.

Imagine seeing a game that took a team of people years to make and being like "yeah, this is worth the price of a shit meal."

@@seigeengine Even if it took people quite a few years it would still be overcharging if the game is hardly even playable at times, If people are gonna spend their own hard earned money and their own valuable time on a game they at least want to be playable and have a fun experience That seems pretty reasonable to me

@@seigeengine dont know where you get your meals but 15 dollars can get some good food, and how long people worked on it or how much "heart" they put in it doesnt matter, if the game sucks and is overpriced, the game sucks and is overpriced

@@seigeengine who cares if it took them years to make they failed to make it properly therfore it isn't worth 60 bucks

Yea but u do drugs in this game

Pretty dumb, in "Lisa: the Painful" you get stronger and a health restoration when you do joy. Then again it has massive long term side effects and doesn't change the visual. Also its graphics are 2d sprite... Maybe that's their issue, "drugs make everything look gorgeous and there's no downside".

The drugs in the game make you happy and make everything look better... that's glorifying it

@poisonpotato1 the drugs in the game also made a rat look like a cake in which everyone was eating and you were required by the government to take them or else. that's not glorifying it

In the game they literally tell you that the entire city the game is set in is going to shit BECAUSE of joy, and later you find out that joy gives people brain damage. For fucks sake it's very obviously telling you that they are BAD

its a shit show of the community when getting big is a problem

I wouldn't say getting big is the problem, necessarily, so much as the devs letting it go to their heads and making them think they can accomplish more than they can and do it all at once. There's plenty of indie games that stayed the course despite their success, and turned out really well. Look at stuff like Terraria and Stardew Valley. They paced themselves and added new content slowly over time, without making too big of promises, rather than getting caught up with ideas and trying to implement them all at launch. This game could have worked really well if they focused on the core experience, making a procedural open world experience that felt good, then slowly over time added things like "story vignettes" as a side mode where you could play through these characters' stories on their own in a tighter gaming experience.

Yeppp. I feel like it should have been an interactive movie/experience at most, a full game just didn't really work

Fingers crossed for team cherry then

i mean, terraria,minecraft and cuphead

Sony putted out an impossible to meet deadline so I kinda feel for them

@@gajendrasinghchouhan7877 huh?

I don’t really like it when people say ‘personality’ like that I don’t think I like the art direction at all

Poorly optimized, but had so much potential

@@mareksicinski3726 well, suit yourself. personally i love the world and style created here, and i know im not the only one.

If there was technology for that, it would be a groundbreaking game mechanic and incredible use of random gemeration... The map changing around you mid-game... I don't think that has ever been done before outside of scripted changes

@@bschneidez Wiz mentioned the map randomly regenerating during his playthrough so it can be done

@@Am_Yeff - man that would have been awesome then

@@bschneidez yeh woulda loved it

Completely changing the map? I feel like that would get partially frustrating and not to mention the load times to completely change the map.

@@levichicwown9760multiple unique games have been recently released since this game and beloved. I’m glad you liked this game, seriously I am, but to boil it down to ‘nobody is happy with unique games these days’ is dishonest and ignoring the blatant problems the game and its development had, and no offense but the gaming industry needs less ass kissers.

@@ImYourCherryBombain’t that deep lil bro

@@mika-yy7gk as someone getting into the industry and seeing how this ass kissery had made the industry toxic filth? It is. Don’t make excuses.

​@@levichicwown9760me too!!!😢

Except it is ​@@mika-yy7gk

This could have been a Bioshock-level classic if they hadn't tried to crowbar in features.

@@MikeMurrayFTW so true

this was awesome for that part. trying to "open world survival" killed the game :(

@@Uhreg so true I really wanted to play this game as the lore is just a master piece and I love the humour and the style it's so good but it has the worst gameplay and that killed it

@@Uhreg That's kind of the issue. They started the kickstarter with that particular pitch. People paid them a lot of money, it would be unethical to just scrap that entire premise because that's what people paid for. It was tied to its procedural survival roots even as the game evolved beyond the need for it, they tried to make it work. Sadly it didn't.

I'm hoping that whatever they go on to make will be better as most of their issues with not having enough time or resources will be done away with now that Microsoft own them

Listening to its fanbase excessively, along with even having a fan base before it was fully finished, probably contributed pretty heavily to its failure tbh.

apparently their next project is a third person story driven game, if they simplify the mechanics and focus on polishing their storyboard team will carry the rest. They can write and design great worlds and the art style is fucking mint. be interesting to see

Well, not to split hairs but the Gearbox thing happened later in development. So there's a version of the game that ended up being price appropriate

They did it to themselves

Sounds like someone hasn't been taking their Joy!

Untrue. I tried to assault a downie in the street and the police arrested me instead of joining in.

Have to act overly nice? Check Have to take drugs just to be able to leave the house? Check Tea? Check British? Check

@@Best.Of.Britian Oh yeah, don’t forget about the fish and chips! I like them myself, so check.

A mix of this and bloodborne for sure. AWAY FOUL BEASTS

Seems like the game completely changed half way trough and they didn't have the financial ability to start from scratch. I think if they had just scrapped it and started over and made it a story driven game it would have been a masive succes.

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 That is how it feels, I think. I did enjoy my time with the game, though it helped that somehow none of the bugs happened for now. Dunno how.

BioShock is actually good, lol. WHF has so many problems- from the one(!) telecreen, copy paste grandmas, forgettable story, no survival mechanics that make sense, the enemies forget you, you can bypass all of them by walking AROUND each city, the only female is a woman who OF COURSE got raped and OF COURSE delivers the baby and her gameplay is literally FEED A BABY. This game was so hyped and I was so excited and it's absolute rubbish.

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 It really doesn't take much money to _remove_ mechanics though. Get rid of the survival bars, remove them from the UI. You don't need to start from scratch, just get rid of the by then overdone survival mechanics.

@@Shenaldrac was more talking about the procedual generation or whatever it is called haha of the world. Scrapping that and building a fixed world probably was not in the budget. But yeah, it most likely was just inexperience. Shame though.

This probably explains why when I finally got around to playing it this last year I thought it was amazing and had no idea why it did not do better.

I backed this on Kickstarter....I wonder if people could ask for refunds after it was revealed, some months after the Kickstarter, that it was a crafting/survival game.

The fixityuxg tx t

Yeah, really it was the timing. I remember for a good year we had sooooo many survival games releasing. Playing it now not knowing what was going on at the time would explain the different reactions. If all of these same people played it when it released, none of them would be saying they liked the game.

what we wanted: a story-driven linearish stealth-lite with this dytopian mod-60s aesthetic what we got: open world survival drivel

i always thought i was the one picking strawberry (f vanilla & chocolate!) i never even knew you couldn’t pick the other ones 😭

I always wanted the choice to have vanilla.

They explain why at one point. They're not the same compounds and the blackberry joy is a huge plot point in the second chapter.

@@XhumpersX thats what i was gonna say the "new flavor" is an experiment for a new dangerous joy

tell me you didn’t play the story without telling me you didn’t play the story lmao..

more like the DLC was them FINALLY understanding WHAT they did wrong in the base game that CRAPPED everything

But wasn't it explained? The game started as a Kickstarter campaign for random world gen because it was cheaper, and the project scope wasn't big to begin with. When the game started to get coverage and lots of people interested asking for a common narrative game, they tried to implement it but didn't want to scrap their original pitch because of the people who backed and believed on their game from the beginning. It was a really sad situation for all parts involved.

They went with the random world gen to give a false sense of a new playthrough. Like what Wiz said, "they wanted a game with a lot of re playability." Plus with how cheap it is to create a game with a gen means they have to just make a few assets, rooms, characters, so on. First it was weighing the costs and all, but then greed showed up and here we are...

In the documentary the devs made for the game this issue is addressed as to why this happened, and why the dlc is different. It's a pretty good watch tbh so I reccomend it if you're interested in the game's development

They should have just tried to do a bioshock game because they would kill at that. I mean a lot of designers work at multiple companies anyways, which is how a lot of studios achieve the same results

Same def flawed but i was more sucked in for the story of this crap sack world

Eh

I appreciate the review, but I honestly don't think ANYBODY is wondering about the game today. I forgot this even existed after being mildly interested in youtube videos from let's-players.

@@jesselindsey9760no, i played it a bit ago and this video made me continue to play and finish it

@jesselindsey9760 that’s just you tho, weirdo

And plus, we never knew what happened to Dr.Verloc, so I hope for We Happy Few 2

I feel like they should make a Director's Cut version instead, where the developers could express their original vision of this game.

@@Noelle_Holiday I remember it was mainly a survival that set you on a timer, but people were asking for a story for the game so they just put the survival aspect in a bobby game mode. I kinda wish to see how its like if the game headed to that direction instead of putting up a story.

We happy few too is announced now, that game made its money back and more

@@Zipperskull_ I wouldn't mind the original vision coming out. I'd be interested.

Simps?

@@white2765 We're all simps for Ollie in the maid outfit. Nothing sexier than a large Scotsman in a frilly apron.

@@archevenault *wheeze*

There should've been an achievement for that, not gonna lie.

@@Noelle_Holiday Getting the achievement should reward you with cat ears and a cat tail for Ollie that can be worn with the maid outfit.

I think they wasted a lot of their energy at the start of the game, its like putting all your effort into the first punch then just resorting to baby slaps because you're now exhausted

​@@Best.Of.Britian I feel like these games have teached me that interesting concepts aren't as nearly important as the execution of said concepts. Sure, it sounds legitimately cool on paper at first glance, but the way it was implemented felt very shoddy.

@@Noelle_Holiday light 🕯️🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨 hgoggggggggoggggggggg

Totally agree. I think We Happy Few's biggest problem was the actual genre of game they decided on after the frankly amazing prologue. If the entire game was more like the opening 10 minutes instead of a randomly generated survival crafting game, maybe something more akin to Bioshock, it would've been so much better.

I agree, I loved the first 10 minutes watching a playthrough video but afterwards.... it's sad because it looks and sounds so good.

if you're interested in survival games that tell a great story and let you take everything at your own pace i can't recommend Subnautica more. Have you ever played it?

dishonored, similar art style, plague storyline, great story, and you can choose how you play :)

I really don’t know why they chose that, I was hoping for something like Rapture.

@Mike will What are you talking about?

that's the thing, there was literally no benefit to procedural worldgen in this game. They should have either scrapped it or went all-in and make the quests, story, and NPCs have procedural elements too. As it stands the game just feels like a confused mess that doesn't really know what it wants to be.

Good procedural games do exist but they often have limits to where key locations can be. Like the game dark wood (only one i can think off) The map is always different but key locations are always in the same biomes and logical locations. So on replay it will still be vastly different but you still benefit from the experience. Which is nice cuz it's hardest mode is an ironman mode

@@volcranoii7709 you shouldn't have expected such a thing from an indie game tho

ngl for a moment I thought u meant the vid and not the game xD

There is no happy endings in real life. Sadly 😔

Welp, it's time to swallow my Joy pills and forget everything bad about this sad reality.

@@ReiDaTecnologia There is... if you have money.

@@Noelle_Holiday give me some please

Same thing happens with Hello Neighbor lol.

True

A lot of Elder Scrolls and Fallout fans sympathize with you.

For me the WORST part of all was mission locations making you WALK 10 minutes straight from one place to the next. Not being able to run or not being able to go out at night when there's literally no other path was just too excrutiating for me. Edit: I loved the story and the combat was fine. But I could not get past Sally's arc

I watched Mark play and nothing happened (he didn’t finish the game tho THATS sad)

It did have a bomb ass soundtrack though, really did have a Beatles feel too it

I feel like they wanted to convey that sense of "Woops off meds- Time to not know where I am at any given moment." Without thinking about what that might do to the game play on a technical aspect. Its like they get distracted by the concept of ~Vibe~ and focus on that and then think 10% into thinking about the game play. They wanted to tell a story not play a game. But this is a game. So they needed to make a structure first before tacking on cool ideas.

@@pixiehellpup1579 I see. I’ve never thought of it that way. I thought they were just immensely pleased with their procedural generation that they pasted it everywhere they could. (Hmm seems like someone in this scenario are off their meds just not the characters or players…) As he pointed out in the video it broke immersion. When I initially saw that the seed had changed I was devastated. Just why.

I just don't understand why they couldn't just use a single generation for all three acts

They had one when they first gave whispers of a story being made and they should have kept it at one. We Happy Few was the last game I ever backed as I was immensely let down. I really loved the alpha and beta phases of the game and was excited to always provide feedback. Story came along and we figured there would be one character as we only ever played as one.... And then it kind of derailed.

Judging by the quotes from the developer it seems procedural generation was core to the original GDD, so arguably the way that they decided to tell the story was what caused the issues, but I do agree that if they had dropped that feature in order to give a more focused experience the game could have been special. I'm imagining what the game could have been like if they had specifically laid everything out and been able to pace things more consistently to provide a better end product but sadly we got this iffy middle ground between two conflicting design principles.

Except the procedural generation was the original concept for a reason, the amount of time and such to craft entire world carefully is different to creating procedural generation..

@@FFKonoko lol

@@FFKonoko except that shit ISN'T GOING TO WORK for a STORY DRIVEN GAME... a reshift THAT DRASTIC means THE CORE ALSO NEEDS to be revised. there's shit that WILL NEVER PAIR WELL in game design, one of which is PROCEDURAL GENERATION and a LINEAR STORY

@@FFKonoko your opinion is a great example of the sunk cost fallacy

@@FFKonoko The issue is that the procedural generation and survival aspect of this game was broken and boring. They really needed to admit that to themselves and just move ahead with a linear story driven game. It’s a shame because the story and concept for this game is really quite good.

yup. the devs clearly didnt really have a vision for this.

So... basically a shitty version of Pathologic?

Sounds like Subnautica. Subnautica's story is pretty bad as well but the mere experience of being underwater is so captivating that it carries the game.

@@friendofp.24 No idea what you're on about the story was great. It's the bugs and poor optimization that drag the game down. Sub-zero story was mediocre though.

@@Cronatic the story is hyperborean bullshit.

S-Tier Idea. If you overpower guards to an extent that they know you could kick their ass, but not to a point where your mere presence is terrifying, guards will try to avoid noticing anything you do until you cross a line, at which point they attack. If guards know you're an easy target, they rush you down with reckless abandon, and if guards know you can and probably will snap them in half within the next ten seconds, they flee.

@@lordpumpkinhead265 I'm kind of picturing a guard standing in front of a doorway, and as you stealth up toward them, they sort of take a few steps to the side, widely clearing the way for you to get by, one. . . by. . . one, and then if you get too close still they take a few steps forward, all carefully avoiding eye contact. :D

@@timogul If you get right up next to them they start whistling to try and sound calm.

reminds me of how enemies in earthbound avoid you if you're too strong

@@lordpumpkinhead265 this is honestly AMAZING as an idea. However, coding that AI would be incredibly difficult for a game developer. Though, would be insanely fun to play. Imagining a guard looking into a room that's on his patrol route and seeing blood pooling in the center of the room, and spots a tall dark figure (the player character) in a dark corner. Said guard looks in for a few moments before turning around and slowly walking away.

If this game was more like Bioshock I'd probably love it but the DLC was better than the Main Game.

When I first saw the trailers, I got super hyped for it. Then when I first saw the gameplay, and realized it was yet another procedurally generated open world survival crafting game, I immediately stopped paying attention to it. They were a dime a dozen in 2016, and I was sick of how every new game was jumping on that bandwagon. They are still annoyingly common, but at least it's not every game anymore.

If it was what the trailer showed it would’ve been a masterpiece

@@StreamlineDeet It's not annoying if they're good. The problem is a lot of them aren't.

The name for bioshock esque games youre looking for is immersive sim

what could have been done was give two characters the linear stories and they go without the procedurally generated maps and missions, while one character has a very loose story, and the one with always-changing maps and missions, so their chapter can be the one that's replayed over and over, while the game still has its clear story.

Procedurally-generated anything is crap, why can't they just properly design a game? (I enjoyed We Happy Few but it shouldn't have had randomized anything)

@@mbii7667 Generally that is true, although Minecraft and Terraria rock. This game is just simply not built for it though

@@mbii7667 Left4Dead's "Director" is a happy middle ground for a linear campaign.

procedural quests can be done well, so long they arent the only thing the game has to offer, if, for example, you have a game like skyrim or fallout, its ok to have a "hunters guild" that has fetch quests. be it killing random mobs, randomized buffed enemies or so on. there are games that all they have to offer are randomized stuff, like pretty much every arpg. and they can be absurdly popular. but you need to make them worth having in the game, be it a low intensity for quick money, or something extra like having these randomized special mobs that are worth hunting, like for example a giant demon possessed cow that breaths fire, or a small normal frog that summons skeletons every time it jumps. the reason they didnt work with skyrim is because their game is already set to a randomized experience, that when you do it more obvious, it looks like a lesser encounter.

honestly with crunch culture and the countless examples of buggy releases in the past 5 years, i'd say the expectation for a 60$ title is that it will come out unfinished and buggy, and either the devs will fix it in 2 years (which is when it should've released anyway) or abandon it and pick up their losses through monetization.

Price tags don't set anything, IH is full of shit here. The value of ANY product must stand above the price, as it lies within the build quality and nothing else. A cheap, shitty game can be as equally bad as an expensive, shitty game. Top Gear's "Cheap and Cheerful challenge back in 2009 blows this idea into smithereens. The idea of something shit being excused or demonised for its price is logically bankrupt and deluded.

@@DR3ADER1 True, but what he means with this is that people expect a valid reason behind a high price. Why isn't it cheap like all the other games? It must be good then, right? It would be a pretty ballsy move to charge a high amount of money for a shitty experience. People expect there to be a reason behind the high price, expect the quality to be better, expect the product as a whole to be better. Which is exactly what he meant by "price tags set high expectations."

@@nocturnal1281 Except they don't. Because again, PRICE IS NOT A FACTOR TO ANY PRODUCT'S QUALITY OR ASSUMED QUALITY! You can have a really cheap or expensive dud or a really cheap or expensive feature-filled gadget. Cheap and Cheerful is one of the most misleading misnomers on this planet and is where the Sunk Cost Fallacy and Fallacy of Cognitive Dissonance dwell at the most, not when a product is expensive, but when a product is cheap. THAT'S how they get you, that's how they scam you.

@@DR3ADER1 I don’t know why you’re arguing against the point that people expect higher quality if they spend more money

same here and then they just stopped and never played again! Guess we know why

When you think about it there are so many of those indie games hyped by RU-vidrs that just never went anywhere

That’s the only reason people care about games like this.

Hey the game is almost ALWAYS ON SALE FOR 8 BUCKS

i recommend 8 bit ryan because he actually finishes the game and he's pretty entertaining

Still, the storyline saved the game.

@@poweroffriendship2.0 yes

Honestly, the game seems like it needed to just ditch the survival/open world aspects entirely and center the game on the story, and the stealth mechanics. I'd probably also get rid of the procedurally generated world, as it clearly works more to the detriment of the game than any interest it could provide. Basically, it needed to be a linear, story based game, with some stealth elements, because this is where the game truly shines.

If the story helped the game with that many cons, I imagine it to be really great

​@@i.d.9754 Temper your expectations. It started off promising and fell off a cliff.

The curse of Randy.

@@glitchedoom RANDDYYYYYY

Just played it tbh pretty buggy but I still liked it a lot

False, the game was doomed, to begin with, because Compulsion Games are a terrible company that can't code, can't write for shit and their one-trick-pony method of style over substance has never worked for them for these very reasons. Gearbox's ONLY responsibility was the pricing. Nothing more or less. The REST of the issues that constitute the game being a shit pile is COMPULSION GAMES' FAULT. They did it to themselves.

@@DR3ADER1 I'm sure people could have been more forgiving if the game hadn't been so over-priced. Gearbox likely insisted on multi-platform releases as well, so if they couldn't code a game for pc they probably shouldn't have done it for everything else.

@@AlphaCarinae Because they spent $60 on it, and didn't feel it was worth $60. A higher price means higher standards. That's why people are more forgiving of mistakes when spending $20 on the game.

You spent 20$ on it. The artuent is it’s not a 60$ game. Why can’t you understand that

@@AlphaCarinae because you expect good quality like Mario odessy for example

@@AlphaCarinae Typical strawman argument: "You're criticizing it because it's not a perfect game." Gtfo

@@AlphaCarinae In this case, it does. People will be happy with an overall good game, it never needs to be perfect.

It's okay, a contract signed under duress is not enforceable.

@@asddsa8203 sadly, duress is a gun pointed at you, a knife, forced captivity, blackmail, etc. Just being a pushy businessman does not a signature under duress make.

If they're that desperate they should've negotiated more

The contract with Gearbox wasn't even the biggest issue. The biggest issue was a fundamental problem with how the game was marketed and presented. People had the perception that We Happy Few was going to be much more than it ever was, and they didn't really do enough to curtail that.

​@@planescaped What's funny is that has they marketed it for what it was we wouldn't still be talking about it. It would have faded away like most open world survival games do.

My biggest gripe about this game is that the open-world exploration part is so exceedingly uninteresting and aggravating to me. Most of the sidequests generally entail you walking from point A to point B in an open landscape where absolutely NOTHING happens at all because of how ridiculously large the map is. There are numerous reasons why We Happy Few should not be classified as a procedurally-generated survival game like it was originally advertised on Kickstarter. Just make those two gameplay elements (the survival mechanics and the procedural generation) completely optional and let us experience something along the lines of say, Bioshock or Dishonored.

@@Noelle_Holiday It took me a sec to figure out the reason for point A to point B travel - crafting ingredients and hidden loot caches. Also sidequest stuff. Once you get the ability to fast travel the game is pretty dank

@@MadWatcher if running to every location in We Happy Few is your idea of fun, that's a weird one bro, but you do you.

@@MadWatcher I myself did the math (and by math, I mean I played the game on the hardest difficulty where fast travel is mostly disabled and had a timer program running for when I played) and it takes approximately 45 hours to complete all 3 acts with no fast travel. This is with 0 side quests, 0 sleeping, and only foraging for resources required for game progression. So yeah, I feel like fast travel is kinda necessary most of the time.

@@MadWatcher you can't fast travel to places you haven't been to yet, so your point is horrible.

I remember finding out about the story and being pretty disappointed tbh

If there was an American version with western accents that would be so fucking good. Imagine the scene where Arthur says, “just because you fucked my dad in my mums bed” but In American

@@HappyLarry. Let me guess, it's the same "the government will always create a dystopia and the rebels need to take them down" stuff we've seen a billion times?

@@mattpace1026 not really it’s them surviving and escaping that dystopia so yeah kinda the same but with a nice story in between

@@adriells5695 It's about them surviving and escaping the dystopia? So, every generic dystopian story ever, then? Still doesn't sound like anything unique, unless there's some twist about the dystopia or the world outside it...is there?

Guess it really did become a AAA game in the end then: overhyped and rushed through an impossible-to-meet deadline because Sony Said So.

Except the main issue was the dev himself overpromising and being cagey (and outright lying) about multiplayer. Yeah expectations were falsely set being on stage in such a big way and the marketing behind it, but he didn’t help anything. Their post release strategy was the way to go. Silence and fixing it. Results say more than words. Plenty of games like Anthem say they’ll be supported then die. And that was actually AAA.

@@elvickRULES Well to be fair, Sean Murray was not a trained marketer and had huge stage fright. He was only given the position of marketer for NMS because he was the head developer of Hello Games and they needed a spokesperson for their game for an event and they weren’t partnered with Sony yet, so Murray stepped up for the role. After partnering with Sony, they didn’t get a new spokesman because Murray had already become the face of the game, and replacing the face of the game with someone else wouldn’t inspire confidence in the product, so they didn’t. This of course does not excuse Sean Murray’s blatant lies, although a lot of the lies can be explained away with content added later or features that were scrapped later.

@@elvickRULES multiplayer wasn't added at launch because they didn't have time, not that they lied

@@FuraFaolox No, multiplayer wasn't planned. In the months prior to its release, it was a massive point of confusion for everyone, up until the devs themselves said "no, it's not a multiplayer game". They didn't say "we had to give up on it" or "it's coming later", they cleared up the fact that it wasn't a multiplayer experience and wasn't meant to be. Sean Murray did lie. The entire marketing for this game was a lie.

As person who bought the game and invested his money on something that doesn't work properly, he can "point and laugh" how much he wants. 👍🏼

@@ErickRicardo should have done research before buying when it's so expensive

not sure if this is everyone in my country it's on sale at 90% its rn 6.37 USD

For real tho, i got it like for 4,19USD in my country when it was on sale with all the DLCs and its an amazing game

Its £5 on ps4 at the moment !

Ong!!

a new simp has been created - bask in the glow of a new creation

@@xBINARYGODx y'know, imagine that as a "notification" of pretty much every twitch channel. Oh well..

Ironic praise given the game’s world.

lets hope this guy never watches his hello neighbor review…

You also need to remember both this and no mans sky fell short from expectations. When there weren't any expectations until some jackass leaked the game to for early access

The most famous magician who ever lived died from being punched in the stomach

Yandere simulator curse is universal... Do anyone remembers the outer world's that mock both Bethesda and Bioware just to deliver the same content of what could be considered DLC for another game?

They still went with procedural generation so I see no difference from lamp shading it.

@@Nat3_H1gg3rs due to already existing issues I believe

I would even go as far as to say it's difficult to tell the difference sometimes

How about you play some TF2 with the Pyrovision goggles

I wish that there was more hallucination like in the first scene with the "Pinata". Where if you picked up a ripe apple on joy and ate it, you'd find out quickly it was a rotten apple. Stuff like that. Or you hallucinate something has good durability and it just breaks in the first swing. This way it would incentivize you to be careful with your inventory while on joy, as you don't know what you actually picked up (in the beginning, you'd learn what things were as you progressed through the game naturally). Or make it where you're so loopy that you just can't fight while on joy. This makes joy hell of a downside to use, but you also don't have an entire city on your ass. There's absolutely no downside to taking or overdosing on joy. Overdosing on joy can be manipulated by using the sinks in the underground. If you're close to overdosing, overdose in the safe zone with no repercussions, however I can't think of a balance for leaving a safe zone on joy without there being an over abundance of pills in the open world (even then, you'd still just overdose there). Without making it to where you can't take joy in a safe zone, I don't know how it would be balanced. It's how I cheesed my way through Arthur's story in the late game.

Yeah. The places also look like it was just copy and paste

put in console command drugintensity_ 20 and out mmmm take sone shrooms

I hope that's true. I genuinely enjoyed the game tbh I got soft locked once but in general the game was amazing I'm a big fan of everything 60's to 80's and the game, the comedy, and the environment was beautiful I loved every little thing. I don't think the walking was too bad I think people didn't explore enough in my opinion the "plash drug" pretty much cut my traveling time in half. I do think the bugs and weapons are a little scuffed and fitting "in" was lost on me, but I think at launch the game had its balls stretched but now the games much better in my opinion I think the positives outweigh many of negatives, but people are different, and my experience wasn't nearly as bad, but I think a lot of potential was lost with gearbox. still the game is one my favorites just its story was enough for me there wasn't crap tons of lore just simple people in world fighting for their own reasons. the gameplay was a little lack luster, but it still was fun although the plague victims did piss me off, I mean Jesus their dying and they hit like a train. but in my opinion, it's still a great game.

Was hoping this was brought up

I actually managed to forget about that for 5 years. Oh well :')

Hmmmm.....that gives me an idea

This is pretty much it. I was really hyped for this game, the setting was looking to potentially be even more amazing than Bioshock... And then they announced it was some sort of weird rogue-like and I totally lost interest and when it eventually released it was even worse than everybody thought.

@@Furellus It was announced as a rogue like at the start if i recall. Thats why there was a noisy nanny and stuff, it was always built to be this stealth survival game. Guess no one paid attention.

@@frohawkmaster I remember they only announced it at E3 with a trailer. Afterwards they announced it was going to be a rogue-like and I remember being disappointed. But the first trailer at E3 definitely got us hyped for a game like Bioshock.

@@frohawkmaster The first announcement was the trailer, it made it look like a bioshock style open world stealth melee game. There was *nothing* to suggest it was a...roguelike survival crafting game. I remember immediately losing interest and my immense disappointment

Yup. If you're gonna be a clone, be a clone of something great like Bioshock. Nothing wrong with that. But more importantly... _make it clear from the start what exactly you're offering._ If your big reveal/announcement trailer makes your product look like one thing, but then it turns out it's something else people are going to feel cheated because it isn't what they were initially promised. If you sell me a car, and you deliver a boat, I'm going to be unhappy. Even if it's a great boat, it's not what was promised.

I love JT Music!!

Waiting for a TBoI song

I once watched this RU-vid doc of a guy talking about what went wrong with Hello Neighbour and he pretty much convinced me that "Post-FNAF" is entirely it's own genre

Should make a Bingo Card game with these type of categories

Indie Horror should be a music genre at this point lol

At the beginning of her story, you use ingredients from around her house to make an auto feeder. Idiot me accidentally sold said items and had to spend a week getting the stuff back with a full inventory of totems.

@@ClipCrew yeah, i didn't realize it for a while until i saw it on (the quest log i think?)

I only discovered this on xbox gamepass like 5 days ago.... I like it so far and I would definitely love a book or movie even more

Get it? Sucked the JOY? I’ll see myself out.

When your survival game suddenly becomes an RPG, lol.

i had this problem alot with sally and looking for metal tubes. ide search and search and would spend hours before even finding one.

Happened to me for something stupid like a rock or a stick to make crutches. I still like the game but I'm well aware that it could've been way better.

I saw Just Some Guy Without a Mustache at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

@@CuntDku I want to turn this into a copypasta

Ay am kinda early

shame that every small city and the areas around it look exactly the same

@@propeladdict9174 it already is i think . I remember a few years ago reafing the exact same thing but it was about Logic the rapper instead

yeah, and i think they really are on pills too.

Truuuee

i am one of them....i kinda like it. (it's about British ww2, so i am half way in) twist is i never play bioshock. but at that time (2-3 years ago) i just finished PREY, WHF kinda similar to it.

I loved the game, and to be honest I don't remember having many bugs.

@@Jack_804 bugs happened, but we just ignore or immerse to the game. it's not like we play looking for bugs.

That's actually quite a good idea

I think, because it was part of their core game design when they started making the game.

It’s still baffling because why not keep that for a sandbox mode and have the story be more cohesive?

story wise, the reason is that joy messes with your memory. Arthur especially is NOT a reliable narrator, id say sally has the most accurate view of how the world looks because she has never taken joy

Keep in mind when the game was being developed. Procedural generation was seem as the big cool thing at the time. No Man's Sky would go on to over-promise the moon and fail to deliver, but before all that the big selling point was that it had a billion unique planets you could visit due to procedural generation. It was the hip thing to have in your game, and most people hadn't yet realized that procedural generation is shit for most things so it was a huge draw. Like back when 3D video games started to come out. Didn't matter if your game was a good fit for 3D, you made it 3D because if you didn't people would hold it against you. People had the notion that 2D was old, outdated, automatically bad as if the third dimension somehow makes a game more fun. Eventually folks realized that was stupid, but there was a period where it was a make or break decision whether your game was 3D or not.

That's a trend that needs to die in games

This is why I don’t donate for game projects. There’s always a chance that the game might not end up well or get cancelled

I went through the same. because of this game I don't really buy early access anymore

Generally part and parcel of kickstarters. You are not so much paying for a product, but an idea. Thus my mentality with it is if you invest? Be fine with it being money that I would have to throw away. I’ve had a few kickstarters for much more simple things that I’ve seen nothing of. Not ideal, but it an inherent risk with crowdfunding

I wished I had a family member or friend to play this with it seemed like I was the only one interested. It’s one of my absolute favourite games the atmosphere and aesthetic is so unique to me

You're explaining the biggest reason why I personally don't like donating to a Kickstarter project. If it turns out to be a massive disappointment or somehow get cancelled, then everything you did to support those creators' effort will eventually went to waste. That sucks.

Also the landmarks are REALLY useful for navigation.

Starsector does it well too. There’s a world map - the civilized space is all largely handcrafted. The space outside of this area, the ‘core worlds,’ are entirely randomized.

Yeah many games that use it well still has hard rules to keep things on track. Like with Terraria, even with all its randomization important biomes and structures are still in predictable locations for a reason.

@@PaulonTheBrave Terraria came to mind as well. It necessitates having certain biomes in predictable places. Imagine if you had to find The Underworld in a different location of the map every single time. Id have a quarter of the time in the game i do now

@@PaulonTheBrave Yeah I like how in Terraria the Dungeon is either near the end of the far right or left side of the world and how the Jungle Temple is always in jungles

To be fair, I think the fact they capitulated during WW2 even though they didn't need to at all fits better into the theme of ignoring your problems rather than facing them head-on.

Both really good points. I just would've preferred if they went in a darker more disturbing direction. The themes and imagery would've made it 1000x creepier

They even have a butcher in the game that is turning corpses into V-Day Meat. So it's not like that was off the table. And the guy was secretly German, too. Shoot it would have really meshed.

@@sfm.viciousmane1374 It gets pretty dark when you realise what the Germans were doing with people like Percy back then. We'd like to think he went to live with a nice family but...

@@chaosinc.382 Yes! And the beginning of the game when they eat the rat that looks like a "pinata" when on joy. It was such dark imagery that I just expected the story to match. It almost feels like that was what they had intended, but in the end, chickened out.