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@BlackMagicCraftOfficial 6 лет назад

Mailman brought me new core book today. Looks hella sharp.

@Roont3 3 года назад

It's funny to me that "I want to be a barbarian," is a player desire, rather than something like, "I want to be strong enough to knock down trees," or, "I want to wade into brutal brawls and collect scars like trophies." Classes are just archetypes that include cool things we want to do. Multiclassing exists to let players do things that aren't bound to a preexisting class, but a new custom one.

@kajikanna 2 года назад

Loot progression(and corrosion) is actually the genius mechanic behind Zelda: Breath of the Wild

@JRDATX 18 дней назад

This video provides the answer for those of us who dislike the prescriptive feeling of D&D 5E classes. I love the idea of ignoring the prescriptive “level ups” and instead talking with your players to ask, “What will make you feel that your character has grown and become more capable?” Another commenter mentioned that this is the root cause of players wanting to multiclass. They want character growth that is personally meaningful rather than prescriptive. Bravo!

@mykediemart 6 лет назад

I have just picked up the books this week after watching you for a few years. And you sold me a toolbox and supplies, not a prefab and an instruction book, and I love it. I also think this would make a great intro to rpgs for kids, newbies. Thank you for a great product.

@scottleland403 6 лет назад

The open-endedness of ICRPG really threw me off to begin with. After spending a couple months with it, this has become one of my favorite systems. You say it's the type of game for creative types, and I'll say that ICRPG has made me become MORE creative in my approach. I love this game. Thanks for making an RPG that's just plain fun and ENCOURAGES having fun!

@zagobelim 6 лет назад

ICRPG gave me the energy I needed to go back to some projects I had anandoned. It's so imbued of the DIY spirit it just propels you to take things in a more hands on approach. People who go to it looking for a more traditional RPG will read it with the wrong eyes.

@GrognardPiper Год назад

I think we’re on the same page. That’s why I prefer the original white box D&D. Rangers and Barbarians are just differently role played Fighting Men.

@PhilipDudley3 Год назад

this is like my 5th watch through and I just realized that's a stone golem on his table.

@k0rr_th3_barbarian 6 месяцев назад

Love the idea of loot providing the stat boosts, providing abilities, etc. I'm thinking of Nat 1s to weaken gear until they break or become unusable. Also, just got my copy of icrpg master. Love the book. Good job, RH, for inspiring me to get creative again. Been neglecting tabletop for a while. Love the DM tips in the videos and in the book.

@BF-rn3oz 5 месяцев назад

You are amazing. I love the DIY focus of ICRPG

@kiryls1207 Год назад

i like to have in my system a set of traits, some sort of one-word descriptor of a thing about a character. for instance, if my character has a trait "scarred" you can have a slight advantage in an intimidation check, or the master can give a slight disadvantage on persuasion. now, traits are fluid, that means that in some occasions you can give or remove traits to the characters (you can also make a vote between players, if someone is worthy or not for a trait during a campfire event). so yeah, i totally agree with a system that doesn't have levels but only dynamic stuff that define characters' choices

@petejones284 6 лет назад

Designing new classes and character progression is great fun. I love how easy it is to adapt ICRPG for settings.

@dreadmaps 4 года назад

these videos are helping me get the most out of ICRPG thanks!

@Corvus-fw2hr 6 лет назад

You had me at the idea of experience not equaling more hit points. I understand why mechanically that works, but the idea of super powered septuagenarians running around always seemed off. Experience doesn’t help you take a bullet better. Unless you Teddy Roosevelt. All rules bend around him.

@MrDeni23n 3 года назад

His speech gave +2 to his armor. It's practically plot armor.

@YeBittenDog 6 лет назад

I’m getting TONS of use out of the loot tables in my normal 5e game! It’s fun to offer original compiled items and spells that my player’s don’t know or expect. Such a beautiful “toolbox” to use in ANY homebrew diy game! Love it!

@jcraigwilliams70 2 года назад

I only came across ICRPG recently and it looks pretty cool, though I have to admit that the "progression through loot" approach doesn't thrill me. In essence, it says that a character is only as good as what they carry. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it makes more sense to me that an amateur pilot would become a skilled pilot, then maybe a stunt pilot, rather than staying an amateur who simply moves on to better planes that fly themselves. Or to put it in superhero terms, I like characters like Daredevil who rely on skill more than Iron Man, who could be anyone who puts on the armour. I like the character to be special. Then again, I also don't need a lot of progression, becoming a demigod. That was always a tumoff in D&D. It can be a tricky thing to balance.Personally, I like to gradually build characters wide and deep. But there are a number of things in ICRPG that look appealing so I may end up giving it a try.

@Runehammer1 2 года назад

yep. ICRPG has 'skill' style progression too if desired... even branching ability trees and the like. email me

@clintfockler1113 2 года назад

I’m with you, Craig. For RPGs I prefer a gradual progression of character skills mixed in with a small amount of special loot. The ICRPG progression is more of a wild roller coaster ride up, down, and side to side based on the loot characters acquire. Conan becomes Gandalf becomes nobody because they lost their gear. But don’t let that one progression element scare you away from the many many absolute gems in the core mechanics/system of the book. It is a simple task to modify the progression to what pleases you and the latest Master Edition includes class-based ability milestones you can use instead of loot. Hank says it over and over…DIY! I think my preferred fantasy blend would be the ICPRG core system, OSE progression with 3 or 4 class-based skills added in, and a simplified version of the spell system from Dungeon Crawl Classics. And don’t forget ICRPG gives you 5 different genres/worlds to explore and new monsters to encounter all using the same simple core mechanics. It really sparks the imagination.

@jcraigwilliams70 2 года назад

@@clintfockler1113 for sure. Like I said, there are many things that I really love here. I will just have to adapt things to my own style. The "Ever Stronger" milestone on its own indicates the character is progressing in terms of their inherent ability. It's things like Weapon Gem that don't make a lot of sense to me (add a gem to your sword and it now does extra effort) unless we assume everything is magic. I think for something like that I would instead say that the weapon itself is finely crafted, providing the bonus. In other cases (Path of Iron's Mark of the Falcon) the item is clearly magical, but if it was being used in a science fiction setting, it may change from being just a symbol to some kind of cyberware that inhibits the user's ability to feel pain, thus making CON rolls easier for them. Or something like that. I don't want to sound like I am totally against loot-- I am not. But one of the many reasons I had issues with D&D when I played (years ago) was that a level 5 fighter only differed from every other level 5 fighter in terms of their stats and loot, and the stats were a relatively minor difference. This made the character semi-irrelevant because you were, in essence, just playing their equipment.

@charlesdexterward7781 6 лет назад

At the risk of stating the obvious, this sort of discussion is VERY useful to explicitly state in the rulebook. Or, at the very least in the interests of space, mentioned in the book with: "You may be wondering about character progression... this is deliberate, here's a very brief explanation, check out my RU-vid vid for more." In the internet age I can't imagine a single buyer being too upset by links to more, free online game-related info. It's always crazy to me how many games think nothing of publishing 200 pages of spells, 200 of monsters, and yet not 5 pages on WHY certain design choices were made. I don't know if the D&D 5e rulebooks explicitly lay out the rationale and gameplay implications for bounded accuracy, for example. (5e has a big enough player base that such discussions will emerge in online forums regardless, but most games don't have that luxury). It would go a long way toward the inevitable "this is different from what I'm used to and therefore it must suck."

@Korroth Год назад

Oh boy a new rabbit hole! I hope this will be the last one!

@mikmyk 6 лет назад

Thanks Hank. Another really thoughtful vid!

@tmoore22 6 лет назад

The Lord GM giveth and (s)he taketh away. What you're talking about here sounds and feels much more like AD&D mentality - a system that sometimes considered the monsters and challenges over the benefits for the PCs. That's a lot more appealing to me as an old school DM.

@greystorm9974 Год назад

Glad I saw this - I am on my first full read through after a cursory read, and I thought "after ALL that talk about loot, there really isn't a lot of it. Like, why isn't there pages of d100 lists!" Well there is you dummy... I just didn't find them before I saw this video.

@MrDeni23n 3 года назад

The loot system reminds me of The Binding of Isaac. Starting gear, randomized and slightly increments 1 or 2 stats. I love it! It's a rogue-like-like-lite.

@zatzuji8468 6 лет назад

Bought the 2.0ed two days ago, don't know why it took me so long. I was already thinking about how to create diy milestones and perhaps something that is inherit to the character, and it would not be hard to create it yourself, or so I think at least. Then you upload this video, great timing! In short, Great stuff! Thanks for your work Hank!

@SWORDMA 4 года назад

Man I just stumbled upon ICRPG a week ago and ordered my hardback, but this video got me so pumped to start a campaign and roll some toons. I really like your thoughts on progression. One thing that frustrates me about D&D is the difficulty in managing power level and a huge spell list as you work through a campaign, and this system seems to handle that well.

@K_E_Robin 3 года назад

I like that idea of Loot Progression. Never thought about it earlier. Very OSR, in a way. :)

@spaceiguana5066 6 лет назад

Having the ability to make my own class is why I love your system. I can make a Darkest Dungeon Crusader without being forced to play a Paladin like I am usually funneled into with 5e DnD.

@aFistfulofDice 6 лет назад

Duuuuude that new mic, though. Sound is CRISP like a fuji apple.

@henli02 6 лет назад

I'm very excited about this RPG!

@zonegamma8197 6 лет назад

very nice videos. I just received the book... these "tutorials" help a lot

@Leverquin 2 года назад

i can't believe that you as DYI never talk about GURPS

@Runehammer1 2 года назад

oh man I mention GURPS all the time... that and RIFTS were my first systems!

@Hepabytes 6 лет назад

Only Hanl could have a giant DIY stone golem in front of him and then not address it :D

@Multiklaaas 6 лет назад

Great explanation!

@lisalisa3635 6 лет назад

love it!

@Cannonbo 5 лет назад

that stonegolem looks dope

@ivanovich8267 6 лет назад

Realy remind me Diablo type, love it.

@Harrow_the_Ninth 6 лет назад

It's time!

@PressEnter42 Год назад

Reminds me of Munchkin

@BushCraftyAlpha Год назад

RPG for murder hobos lol I think I’d like this for some other sessions.

@henryritterpusch5116 6 лет назад

There is a mobile app magium, check out the mechanic it uses for stat progression, seems feasible and similar. Thinking about running it in my game...

@coalcreekdefense8106 3 года назад

One thing I haven't figured out yet. I know magic is always a d10 effort die while weapons are always a d6. So I wonder why magic-focused builds aren't always better than weapon-focused builds. Does the magic system have enough limitations to balance it?

@solring 3 года назад

Mages and priest have to fight and take other actions like everyone, if their best stats are in INT or WIS some of those tasks would be harder to achive. Beside that there is spellburn ( pg.80 corebook) and backfire (pg.47 corebook). Also bare in mind that spells use loot slots and you have only 10 slots for equiped loot. I haven't played yet, I'm reading the corebook for second time before DMing a session, so there might be something else that I'm missing.

@coalcreekdefense8106 3 года назад

@@solring That makes a lot of sense. Thanks very much! I'm looking to get the PDF of the corebook on payday, and until then trying to clean what I can from these videos. This will be the first system I play, let alone run, so I'm excited to get started!

@solring 3 года назад

I believe the system is widely tested so everything should be balanced. Anyway after playing if anything doesn't make much sense to you just change it. Meanwhile you get the corebook, download the quickrules from the icrpg website. These are a slight update of the corebook but you get the mecanics and can even run games.

@huntersmith8586 5 лет назад

Icy RPG

@Joshuazx 2 года назад

Why didn't you put Diy character creation / diy character progression right on the book?

@Runehammer1 2 года назад

I did?

@Joshuazx 2 года назад

@@Runehammer1 Then I don't know if I missed that.

@xvader9445 6 лет назад

Where can I get the Prisoners of Molock campaign

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

not published...yet

@xvader9445 6 лет назад

Aww Man, such a tease. That what I wanted for my DM cherry

@xvader9445 6 лет назад

Do you know when it will be ready

@michaelbradley9559 6 лет назад

Dude, Runehammer just spoke to you. You dare test the Creator! Sacrilege! (subscribe to the channel and you know when the rest of us do.)

@kevinslaughter77 4 года назад

DIY

@kevinslaughter77 4 года назад

That’s what it’s about

@kevinslaughter77 4 года назад

“The whole fun of diy”

@nemooh Год назад

There is nothing more stupid in RPGs than having 70 hit points and being able to take 6 two handed battle axe blows, 12+ crossbow bolts, or a pair of .50 sniper rifle shots to the head and still be in the fight. Thankfully this game doesn't level to insane stats.

@snow3180 6 лет назад

Make and draw more characters

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

is that a command?

@snow3180 6 лет назад

Runehammer no but i liked the other one you did

@jenprochatful 6 лет назад

I don't like the concept... It feels like the DM has all the power and can take everything characters worked for in a second. Even more, there lacks the feeling of BECOMING the hero instead of being one just because you found cool gear. Sure, being too powerful can get boring, but then you can eiter TPK or postpone the campaign and start from a lower level... I'm not saying it's bad, just not for me I guess..

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

Yep, common response, and fair. Lots of folks have built feats in to icrpg to alleve this feeling

@jenprochatful 6 лет назад

I appreciate your upfront attitude, sir. I will give the system a try, solely on your recommendation.

@michaelbradley9559 6 лет назад

Dude, the GM ALWAYS has the power...and also the great responsibility of it.

@mAcChaosCh 6 лет назад

How did it go?

@kevinm3428 Год назад

Gary Gygax understood this concept when he created D&D. Items made the character unique and failing a saving throw vs a spell could set them back, but made progress much more dynamic. Undead draining character levels also had this effect.

@JackMcCarthyWriter Год назад

Great point. There's a lot of subtle genius in the original rules. Another aspect that springs to mind is the notion that all hit dice are re-rolled when you level up, so that hit points could go down when you level up. In my mind it accounts for long-term illnesses and injuries that aren't explicitly included in the rules.

@jaelee1996 Год назад

This system is perfect for Diablo or Dark Souls like rpg. Diablo is the game that defined rpg for me growing up, and I'm excited to get it going. Adding required crafting items as loots might be interesting, as well. Also, I can add boss weakening item hidden in side quests.

@robwustyle 6 лет назад

I have seen many things about your game but now that I have heard your explanation of character progression...I love it I'm ordering one now...keep up the great work...

@gegegebebebe5087 2 года назад

DnD may be written from the players POV but, in my humble opinion, it does it in a very railroaded way. I absolutely don't like the character development system with fixed features on certain levels. I started playing Pen and Paper RPG with Vampire the masquerade, where you can buy whatever you want for your XP. And I don't like the magic & combat system because it feels more like a tabletop tactical war game, where the rules are more important than the story.

@earlgrayman982 Год назад

Just started reading the ICRPG rules and I'm trying to understand how loot works for a modern(ish), sci-fi or horror setting where the heroes are not exceptional. I mean, they're not carrying magical items or int he case of a horror setting like Call of Cthulhu where magic can be dangerous for players to use, I don't see how this works. Other than that, i think its a very clever, fun system.

@Runehammer1 Год назад

loot=stuff... there is no 'works' to using loot, it's just 'what heroes have'

@rds4629 Год назад

Interesting idea, but I've always disliked parts of D&D such as looting the bodies of kobolds or slime fungi, and selling away the +1 sword your father gave you b/c you randomly found a +3 mace, was kind of cheap. One of my favorite parts from Lodoss War is when Pan declines a new set of armor, but acquiesces to accept a new shield as he hadn't used one before.

@tehfelf 11 месяцев назад

I have a hexblade warlock player in my group who's patron is her master's rage and vengeance manifest as her sword. I treat some battles as milestones for her sword. At first it was kind of s cursed weapon, then a later big battle made her "control the rage" betterso the curse went away, then she was able to harness it so it added an ability to the sword. You are the DM so you can make the idea of "loot" be anything you want!

@malikreseftenebrous2626 6 лет назад

I am going to love ICRPG. Though things are different OD&D but it also hinges on the DIY spirit - you can create new classes and magical systems to replace the Vancian one that is default. I am loving these videos Hank. ICRPG will be one of the few core games that I'll run beyond OD&D and it's clones - keep it DIY!

@Akinohotarubi 2 года назад

Very interesting video and good points there. I'm curently brewing some classless hack with a progression that would besomething along the lines of, say, The Elder Scroll. I got rid of XP altogether, the only growth ressource is coin, and I was wondering on how to deal with characters level. This has given me a new way of doing things to consider...

@theophrastusbombastus1359 6 лет назад

That's what i like about the "Fabled Lands" series of adventure books. Sure, you "rank up" every so often - but it's the loot you find (and lose) and find again that buffs your guy to great heights, decimates to terrific lows, and back up again. Keep up the good work buddy! Blood, Honour, Beer!

@craftsmenMC 2 года назад

“ICRPG is like a DIY roleplaying game” *sighs* *opens wallet*

@amdnable 6 лет назад

I love this serie, it gives me real value!

@TheDMGinfo 6 лет назад

GOLDEN AXE FTW!

@Agonis100 6 лет назад

Hell yeah! The first videogame I can recall picking out for myself on a trip to Funcoland ( Remember Funcoland, anyone?) Good times! 🤘😆🤘

@reality-break8675 6 лет назад

Skill, Time and interest. well 2 out of three ain't bad

@ChateauLonLon 2 года назад

This reminds me a whole lot of FSA and BotW! The Zelda influences are strong, haha. I love it man, rock on

@alexanderlahman9320 5 лет назад

One problem my group has is that they are newer, with fluctuating players and game dates. Because of this I run a lot of one shots, and try to link them when I can. Everyone wants to make these epic characters but none know how to navigate higher level pc's, so they end up making this legendary sorcerer who is lv.1, or 2 and can't actually do that much. I think your loot and stat progression will make it simple for everyone to make the pc they want with very little baggage to keep track of!

@crzayblondedude 6 лет назад

How much were you inspired by the Zelda series when designing the game? I've always thought this sysem seemed perfect for running a Zelda inspired game because of the focus on loot based progression and incremental health "chunks" in the form of hearts.

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

a ton..mentioned in a few other videos...

@crzayblondedude 6 лет назад

I knew you'd mentioned it a few times, but I was never quite sure just how much it inspired you mechanically vs thematically. Anyways, digging this video series. Pretty tight and compact so far. They seem like a good way to introduce the system to my new group before eventually pulling out the core book.

@nickdefrancis 6 лет назад

Is that a Bainbridge Brewery hat??

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

yep!

@3of6mylove 3 месяца назад

What if a player doesnt want to use items at all, and just wants to have their character train their own body for totally unarmed, unarmored, and unequipped combat like some sort of battle crazed ascetic monk who rushes in and punches you five times before your eyes can even process it, all while denouncing worldly posessions? Can that work somehow?

@Runehammer1 3 месяца назад

absolutely.

@stoerenfriedgnadenbrot7388 5 лет назад

When I´m DMing I always come up with a completely new system cause it´s much easier for me remembering rules that are plausible to me. So I keep the number of rules down to a bare minimum and off we go. Supplemental Material like a Monsters Handbook or one for loot and treasure or for spells come in handy so I don´t have to reinvent the wheel. My players are always free to let their character freely develop and I came to the conclusion most of them just hate it. They want to go through spell lists and compare stats and damages and whatnot. They lack the inspiration of creating something original. As a result I don´t DM that often and as a matter of fact I don´t roleplay as much as I´d liked.

@powersave2 6 лет назад

Gemme more! Gemme More! Maybe some monster planning? Or methods of filling out a room design template?

@huntersmith8586 5 лет назад

Thats a nice rpg system you have there. Be a shame if someone yoinked it for their game.

@Balthazar2242 5 лет назад

It's difficult to me to create this feeling of nonlinear progression even within 2-3 sessions. I want my players to get lots of stuff (takes a session or two) and then risk _losing_ that stuff (takes even more sessions).

@dorkyorc4441 6 лет назад

Where did you get those solid grey/blue/& green miniatures that you use in your videos?

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

painted from Cthuhlu wars

@sebastianstark8517 6 лет назад

Love the simplicity and DIY nature of ICRPG. It may not suit all tastes, but I think it opens the mind to new possibilities and concepts that we weren't even aware of before. Thanks for the mind expansion, Hankerin!

@UnionJackstones 6 лет назад

What is the name of the convention in Tacoma in July you are bringing your game "Junked" to? I swear I heard you say something about a Tacoma Con in July. Thanks Hank!

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

ATCON!

@UnionJackstones 6 лет назад

Guess who just scored the last ticket to this ATCON? Lil' old me!! Thanks Hank!

@scorchedtoad 6 лет назад

So I bought and have read the core book and worlds, and I hate to ask this but, am I missing what the Devourer is?

@Runehammer1 6 лет назад

it is described in some of teh worlds adventure hooks...a massive creature slowly eating the cosmos

@scorchedtoad 6 лет назад

Runehammer ok cool, I was just making sure I didn't miss a specific description. This is cool, that way it can be ANYTHING!! insert EVIL laugh here

@grantstephens8754 6 лет назад

So I am a first time dm in pathfinder and one of my players is a barbarian that bought a great sword as his starting weapon He can do 21 dmg per hit if he is raged At lvl one How do I fix this Everyone else in the party has either 1 d4 or 1 d8 attacks so the barbarian is op

@grantstephens8754 6 лет назад

Also he has a ton of health because he is a barbarian

@michaelbradley9559 6 лет назад

Here's what you do: stop playing Pathfinder, and start playing ICRPG. Now that brute has to roll for his loot, or gain milestones such as a Barbarian Swizzle Stick of Headlobbin (insert bonus here). Shizznapps!! Problem solved!! Seriously, ICRPG is a better game to GM than Pathfinder. Unless you math hard, but that's just dumb.

@OneFootWall 6 лет назад

Boooooon!

@ethanw.9478 6 лет назад

Hey!

@jaredbrymesser2551 6 лет назад

I think it would be really useful if you made a video on what type of materials you use for crafting! Was confusing for me at first, especially for the foam.

@cameronorwin 6 лет назад

If I have a brutal game where all but one character die, does the lone survivor loot all the other corpses? If so, do they become way too powerful compared to the new characters that the other players create?

@corcolinos 6 лет назад

put limitations..if my friend died I wouldn't steal all of his belongings..It would suck!I'd bury them with their "loot"..maybe I would keep one small thing (ring,amulet..etc) just for remembering them..besides you can't carry too many things after all!

@cameronorwin 6 лет назад

That in no way reflects how adventuring works. Maybe they are not friends. Maybe the just met each other. More importantly, are the mechanics of the game broken or am I misunderstanding something?

@corcolinos 6 лет назад

or you can go the other way saying that every artifact only works for the specific character..

@cameronorwin 6 лет назад

then why did they work for the first character that found them?

@corcolinos 6 лет назад

if your wizard has a rod that fires magic missiles doesn't necessarily means that works for others too..I'm just giving you some tips on how you can bypass the problem..If you don't like them find your own..but there are solutions..find what works for you better