Identifying Double Major Thirds - Music Composition

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What is doubling the major third? How do you know if it's a major third? Can you double thirds? Why is doubling a major third bad? This music composition lesson explains one of the rules of writing four-part harmony, namely the advice to avoid doubling major chords, and goes on to explain how to identify them in a piece of music. When writing four part harmony, particular attention should be paid to the use of thirds in chords. Thirds should normally be included but, while minor thirds can be doubled, the advice is to avoid the doubling of major thirds. We present a passage of four-part harmony that includes quite a number of chords which infringe the rule and show you how to identify the doubled major thirds and how to alter the layout of chords to correct the problem. Useful for all engaged in the writing of harmony.
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0:00 - Introduction to identifying double major thirds
1:52 - Why is doubling major thirds supposed to be bad?
5:37 - How do you identify major thirds?
7:31 - Spotting double major thirds in a piece
17:06 - Conclusion
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@MusicMattersGB 2 года назад

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@carlstenger5893 Год назад

Excellent video (as always). I distinctly remember (eons ago) my harmony professor announcing (early in the semester) that doubling major thirds was verboten; but neither he (nor anyone else) took the time to explain the reasoning nor provide instructive examples as to why it was such a sin. Having sung many pieces prior to that time that included (nay, featured) double major thirds, I was more than a tad puzzled by this edict. Thank you for taking the few minutes necessary to explain and illustrate the concept.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

A pleasure. I agree that the double major issue can be a moot point

@lawrencetaylor4101 8 месяцев назад

I found two doubled thirds in Bachs Do Major Prélude, but it doesn't sound bad at all. Reading the comments helps understand further. An excellent video.

@MusicMattersGB 8 месяцев назад

Bach frequently does it often to preserve scale runs

@markchapman6800 Год назад

Avoiding doubling the "root" of a VII chord, given that that is the leading note = 3rd of the dominant, is probably a good idea too. Doubling of the (diminished) fifth of the same chord, as an equally active note (see bar 5 of your example), is probably also worth avoiding. I once sang a piece which contained a dominant chord with both of those notes doubled, and I have never heard anything quite so blatant in all my life!

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

Absolutely

@enterrupt Год назад

Wonderful video, thank you for making it. My theory teacher, a trombone player, taught us that a doubled majot 3rd was intrinsically out of tune. Due to the harmonic series, having a doubled 3rd reenforces harmonics that rub because they are half steps away from chord tones. This is especially true when the 3rd is in the bass. C major voiced E C E G will have a significant amount of G# and B overtones that rub against G and C. An interesting take, but I can't find fault with it.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

There’s certainly truth in that.

@isaacshaw1596 24 дня назад

See I have played many hymn tunes from playing in a brass band so know many hymn tunes and this has definitely got that influence. Can definitely hear your experience of playing Organ in a church. I actually quite like that melody and harmony.

@MusicMattersGB 20 дней назад

😀

@g.p616 Год назад

Brilliant communication, as always.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

You’re most kind

@Dave-nm8uk Год назад

Great explanation. I'll come back to this one later.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

Excellent. Enjoy!

@evelyneduval6441 2 года назад

I did not know that rule!!! I'll try to spot double major thirds in my compositions and avoid them in the future! Thanks!

@MusicMattersGB 2 года назад

A pleasure.

@jayducharme Год назад

Once you pointed it out, it surprised me how "clunky" a double major third sounds. I previously hadn't paid that much attention.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

😀

@joebloe9901 Год назад

Don't forget that these rules came from writing holy choir music. Making a choir double the maj third can sound awful....most choirs are made up of Joe public, not professional singers. Obviously a tuned instrument has no problem doubling the 3rd. 4 part harmony for choir must be written with the layman performer in mind. Another great lesson!

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

😀

@bzeliotis Год назад

I was taught specific rules as to when one can double the third (major or minor 3rd) or the fifth, in four part harmony.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

It’s interesting how theorists put more or less emphasis on those rules. It’s a more flexible issue than consecutives, for example.

@Frank29 Год назад

❤

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

😀

@eplumer Год назад

are the double major 3rds “worse” if they are in the outer voices or does it not matter?

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

Generally that’s true because they’re more exposed.

@simf7563 Год назад

Another main reason for avoiding major thirds is that the chance of doubeling a leading tone increases. Especially when there are many secondary dominants.

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

Absolutely

@delituskivike2471 Год назад

Great to see you Gareth,how can I be skilled composer ,and organist

@MusicMattersGB Год назад

That’s kind. Keep working at it. We have many resources in our courses at www.mmcourses.co.uk that will help you. You could start with the keyword harmony course.