If Melee was Better Than Ultimate... 

Thank you so much for featuring my video and watching it on stream!! You're the man, Coney

I love how he calls videos "movies" instead. It makes them feel more special, like when the teacher brings in the TV in class

Coney talking shit about every character and then loving shadow is the most coney thing i've seen 😂

Tbh this video feels more like “this is what I would love to see in smash melee” by having every character be better designed (besides snake) plus having way more content while having a similar amount of development time as 64.

Sakurai and Hal: Makes melee in 13 months. CONEY: "Lazy and greedy devs."

That “FIRE” at 17:20 was uncomfortably accurate

What I love about how Ganon is in smash games, is they got the right PLAYSTYLE, with a moveset so terribly wrong. His entire playstyle is being so scarily powerful that he scares you into making mistakes, and punishing them, with said scary power. He just doesn't.. do it WELL.

12:20 there was an old joke that Roy's f-tilt was the best projectile in pm

People have made a mod like this, I think it’s called “smash 2”, it’s a melee themed version of pm with less characters. Just the characters who would’ve existed

This is a well done movie, but all I really think when I see this is that Melee-heads really just are so deranged and twisted they genuinely think "If Melee was made sooner we would have flying cars and world peace by now"

NEW INSANE ICIES COMBO DISCOVERED (CONEYING)

No way they would ever get Cloud in the very first Smash Bros game. Shadow is also pushing it a bit

The definition of a "Smash fan trying to make a game"

5:00 that's a broly-ass move!

Interesting idea but I'm iffy on their justification for cloud

This was a good one!

10:02 is such a good bit i fucking love it

you unlocked a memory in my head for wrestling rp i had a homie in high school who would do that. jesus christ where do the years go

Not the Rugrats PS1 music. . . *nostalgia intensifies*

Was that Rugrats: Search for Reptar music I heard in the beginning?

We are making it Coney

It'd be way funnier if totsugeki meant dolphin.

I just looked up shooting Star press, what a dope move

Cloud looking like Smash 4 with how big those swings look. Imagine Smash 4 cloud in Melee, would just demolish.

We need Melee Minus, the sequel to Brawl Minus

I kept seeing this vid in my feed. Now I have coney with me to watch it.

clicked because of the vid title this is why Coney is goated

Cloud seemed like a weirdly lazy character design from a move set perspective since it looks like just smash 4 cloud, but I realize the video creator wasn't making mods just showcasing them to put in his video. I like the concept a ton and honestly wish melee would have came out with a roster like that cause I can't stick to it the way melee diehards do even though its my favorite in the series.

7:45 Coney was 13 the day melee released. Sakurai must have him a copy of melee 8-9 years early.

If they ever made Shadow in Smash, hed probably be super busted, especially in melee. When you think of his moveset, he could technically even have a shine, which could mean shine spiking. And he can shoot energy, so projectiles too? The dude would be a mix of sonic and fox. He could either be incredibly broken, or ridiculously bad. Theres no in-between here given his powers lol

This man trying to start wars with that title 💀

i would have played that game all the way to my grave shadow and wolf look insane

That *_fUCKING Rugrats N64 game music_* You're bringing emotions out of me that I never thought would surface again

I discovered totsugeki didn't mean dolphin when I switched Strive to EN Dub and May started saying "Charge!!!"

Melee's already better than Ultimate 😈

8:49 I hope more people held this opinion, because the 16-17 year old me who was a Charizard main is EATING this up man. Even now i appreciate it more than i should, lmao.

NOT THE JOHN LENNON

Alternate: "If Ultimate was Better Than Melee...", but it's Ultimate with Melee's speed and advanced techniques.

Shooting Star Press into headbutt...Meanwhile Brock Lesnar.

Coney melee content we love to see it

I don't get what's going on but this is sick!

that’s so funny because it already is!

I never understood why nobody gives Meta Knight his traditional running animation from the Kirby games

Ganon being bad in smash is perfect, but I like it for a different reason. I like the RelaxAlax theory most, where he still could do all his flying wizard stuff, but Smash is just a silly game to him, so he doesn't try at all, and only uses his fists and feet

Coney! Keep it up with the great content!😊

Coney: "I get the most annoyed at Charizard." No you get the most annoyed at your grandma.

I don't think the move flare blitz even existed during melee

Master hand is my favorite Mario kart character

"If"? It is though!

I played melee for the first first time in a while and I have to say melee feels like trudging through sludge compared to ultimate. Like yeah the game play is faster butneithout the buffer system I can't get any of my inputs to works smootly

I want to see them turn smash into pokemon that would be fun

CONEY DID WHAT TO MEEMAW?

Yeah the kirby sword dash looks annoying as hell

It is

Tbh, current ganon seems better than that amalgamation they created.

If speedrunning SM64 made you think SM64 is better than Banjo cause you got to see a ton of new cool tech… maybe you should try speedrunning Banjo? At least that way you’d know how both games are from both casual and speedrunning perspectives

For his neutral b shadow wields a gun

This is literally PM dawg 😭

what if ganondorf was mewtwo

"wish he did all this shit and was still bad" having played that mod yeah

This looks like a neat roster, they all fit the timezone that melee released and it isn’t oversaturated with guest characters. This is brilliant! Not that guest characters are a bad thing, i just think Ultimate gave us too much.

I didn't buy a switch until smash came out lucky I was able to play breath of the wild on the wii u thou to make that happen

It already is

"If Melee was Better Than Ultimate..." We're living in that timeline

The first few notes give me mad flashbacks Angelica is a cheater

Yeah in nintendo's eyes Ultimate is the definitive version of Smash and they will run it for 8+ years, port it over to the new system with all the dlc included and maybe 2 new characters.

not the rugrats music. my ptsd from the goose is kicking in

Wait so is this a real mod you can download or not?

I like Melee more than Ultimate, but I like Project M/+ and Rivals more than Melee.

plottwist: it alreAdy is

I'd still defend Banjo-Kazooie > Mario 64

I have baughten 2 consuls for the sole purpose of playing smash brothers

Yeah this title is gonna start arguments in the comments

Great video! However, the tule seems a bit misleading: melee is already better than ultimate

Is this the ultimate smash game

7:43 the best part about that story being that you still have anger issues. I'm not trying to be rude just an observation it's all in jest.

16:39 Weird that it's Jason Griffith voicing Shadow instead of David Humphrey.

13:37 i hope you have a bad day, coney

some risky clickbait

Coney really said Ganondorf is better as a Falcon clone when it does not at all match with how he is in the Zelda games and has been a consistently terrible character because his moveset doesn't fit with his playstyle.

WHAT IF coney made good videos?

Where is James Bond??

I agree about Banjo and Kazooie. I obv still love the character. The games just don’t hit like they used to. They’re so lame in smash. Literally the only character interpretation I can not stand.

!claim

But it didn't happen lol. Melee was just melee 😅

"...as i started speedrunning 64 i realized mario 64 had so much more cool shit it in it...." really coney? in your 16 star runs where your skip 95% of the game? nahhh you smoking something my guy

I'm not sure if the build shown off is playable but please make it playable dear god. Fan smashes are becoming better than the games atm imo. Like Remix has taken over the regular games for me, I would be obsessed with this game for years if I could play it on real hardware like Remix

I'mma be honest? ...fuck that Ganon XD Every fan made moveset is either terrible or hella busted, and his is clearly the latter

"If Melee was better than Ultimate..." You don't need to imagine that.

Melee is better. When the next Smash game comes out, all the people who disagree will suddenly start saying they don't really like Ult, same way they did with Smash 4 and Brawl. Like clockwork.

7:02 heard you were talkin shit like I wouldn't find out

Ok, Coney. I see your clickbait title. I'm also subbed but that's besides the point. >.>

my hot take is that melee gamondorf doesn't suck. I was just wondering why Ganondorf is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters. My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the wavedash, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Phantom Hit (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the waveland. Now, I have been using Ganondorf against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts Ganon at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. Ganondorf has his air forward. We call it 'The Punch.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages. If he misses, he can just do his A punch if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, Ganondorf is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Ganondorf Kick Down B, ANOTHER Double Jump, ARE YOU SERIOUS, Up B). Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his wavedash, which, with Ganondorf, who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. Wavesmashing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Punch and killed you opponent by then. Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity. The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters. I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Punch. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give Ganondorf another shot and tell me what you thnk. Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'Ganon is better than Fox.' I said, essentially: 'Ganon seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Fox. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of Ganondorf. Please give Ganondorf a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!

ultimate is objectively a better game but melee is just that guy and its tech is sick and theres no replacing it

Nice

I love Coney to death and he is the reason that I played wario in PM, but my god his takes on PM characters is so silly. 3.02 was almost 10 years ago, yet he talks about it like it is still around. They nerfed kirby forward up b so it is super reactable, takes longer, and removes all jumps, even when hit out of it.

Spicy

If Melee was Better Than Ultimate... There's no if my guy

Wow. I bet there would always be fast paced action in all of them. Definitely treated like most fighting games with only the people willing to learn getting good at them.

Isn't it anyway