I think the reason why the first Van Halen album is regarded so highly is because this was something we haven't heard before, it was something new and a guitar player that didn't sound like any body else.
Agreed ! The 1st album hit so many people right away that as a fan you can enjoy but still enjoy the way the band progressed. My favorite is "Fair Warning" but that first record was so great & still holds up.
it gets everything right,production is spot on,it comes flying out of the speakers,and the sub atomic guitar sound,and the band sound,fresh,hungry and ready to kill
The first album that comes to my mind in this discussion is Metallica's Black Album. That album changed a lot in the Metal community back in the day. Up until that point Metallica were the heroes for almost every metalhead. Nothing they did was questioned whatsoever. Even when they produced this huge and expensive video for the rather unusual "One", every fan could relate to that. But in 1991 things started to turn. The self titled fifth album split the fanbase like no other in the history of heavy metal. The one half worshiped that record the other half hated every single second. It became this huge discussion about sell out and becoming mainstream as a true metal band. Everybody had a Metallica shirt all of a sudden, radio stations played Nothing else matters and The Unforgiven in a loop, even at live shows you would see people that had absolutely no business at a metal concert and the whole world seemed to have become fans of Metallica over night. So i guess it's a fair question to someone who finds the black album to be his favorite, if he is a "real" fan of the band or just jumped on the hype train in '91.
Albums: Roxy Music : Avalon Kiss : Dinasty BOC: Fire of unknown origin David Bowie: let’s dance Fleetwood Mac: rumors Frank Zappa : joe’s garage Songs: Van Halen : jump Extreme: more than words Kansas: dust in the wind
This conversation is pointless, and can NEVER have a resolution or an absolute fact. Which, BTW, is a reason I LOVE this channel, and LOVE these rabbit hole videos with Pete and Martin. We are(all) determining what makes a REAL fan...I freakin love it. Nice. Nice. VERY nice!
I agree. I could even argue that those who say "Constrictor" or "Raise Yer Fist And Yell" are their favorites might not be Alice fans. In the sense of they are definitely more straight forward but far less imaginative. When the great thing about Alice is precisely the uniqueness of the whole concept. Nobody sounds like Alice Cooper. And I think the albums we're talking about could have been recorded by any other artist and it wouldn't make much difference.
@Alexander Caviedes The point for me is that while "Flush The Flashion" (or the whole so-called blackout era) may be so different from the rest of the catalog, Alice was still dangerous, puzzling and unique. I think almost all real Alice Cooper fans love these four albums.
@@joniturbe7535 I am a bit younger, growing up in the 70s, so I may not have an accurate picture of how huge he was back in the day. He was probably considered such a mainstream big-time star that most punk fans would not have gravitated toward his albums, even if the music was to their liking. But, I agree, always dangerous, puzzling and unique!
I can speak to the Grateful Dead thing. Many of my friends got into them in the 80’s, probably because we’re in that age cohort. But it still blows me away how myopic many’s perspective is today, 30 years later. I was not a huge dead head in the 80s and got into them because I joined a tribute band (handling the Bob role). I was absolutely blown away by their earlier to mid 70s stuff as well as the contributions from a character named Pigpen, who I classify into the Blind Owl Wilson and/or John Fahey school of blues knowledge. I dig later stuff, but I do not drift to late 80s/early 90s when I listen. First of all, the keyboard sound is very “80s” and Bob’s guitar can barely be heard. Jerry’s once beautiful voice gets quite weak as well. I’m reminded of how my age group considers the Beatles as well. It’s all post Revolver or so with very little consideration for the great stuff they did before. I admit, the later stuff is maybe more contemporary to our ears, but it shouldn’t cancel out the pre-66 stuff.
Same. I played keyboards in a GD tributes for a few years, more like Keith than anyone else. It took me decades to warm up to the 80s, and I still can't do beyond 1990. And early Beatles is almost a different band, a real powerhouse.
Full disclosure: saw the Dead over 120 ×.... thiers " Deadheads" today that have Never Seen Jerry... I Love that.. The " Dead " is still my most Listened to Band.. Timeless & Classic.
Pete!....love Journey's debut AND Look into the Future and Next are solid too! I go back to those 3 more than Infinity - Escape, although Infinity is a classic. Big fan of Ansley Dunbar's and absolutely love Gregg Rolie's vocals, so guess that's why I gravitate to the first 3...so many of my friends dismiss them without giving them a chance. I will say that I like the Perry and Steve Smith era too up through Escape, just love the vibe and prog style of the first 3.
Metallica has a pre-1991 audience, a post-1991 audience, fans who like everything and people who never cared for it. Despite the black album being released 32 years ago, many fans from the very beginning have still not been able to accept the style changes of the group, but still consider themselves real fans
I can see that. That ELO album was their MTV album to me. It was the very first ELO album I bought. It wasn't until I listened to others that I decided ELO had better albums. It was my full introduction to them making "Secret Messages" my favorite.
@@AverageJoeDoh Out of the Blue was my first album of any kind where I liked EVERY song. I played Time incessantly on the bus in high school (mid-80s). I like Secret Messages but no where near the others. And I love several of the deep cuts like "Julie Don't Live Here" and "Latitude 88 North"... Armchair Theater is pretty good as well but I would consider Balance of Power to be better than Sceret Messages.
My mom knows I like Yes a lot and she seems to like them a decent amount. I was buying some CDs like Relayer and The Yes Album and she asked me why I wasn't getting "the one with the numbers". Really makes you realize how huge of a difference in sound those eras are and how the people that found them with 90125 often have no clue about the 70s stuff. I played her a bit Sound Chaser and she wasn't very fond of it, granted I had no clue what was happening when I first heard it as well. She's a very casual fan of the 80s stuff and I don't want to end up "ruining" that by talking down on that stuff even if I don't think it even compares to the earlier stuff or represents what Yes is really about
@@russw3736 …I’m a big Queen fan but I certainly understand if you like Queen II or Queen I that you wouldn’t like the rest of their catalogue….those records are more rockers and much less eclectic….I enjoy all their music….enjoy your day!
Another Friday morning with Pete and Martin Watching here from Southern Oklahoma and it has been storming with rain, thunder and lightning and today with high winds have a great day and a great show 😊😊 🎤🎸🎸🎹🥁
Man I can't believe what Martin said about Def Leppard. That was the first band I thought of when I saw this topic. I am truly THAT GUY who likes the first TWO and that's it. I can literally recall my senior year of high school when Pyromania came out I was really bummed. And you can only imagine my disgust at the ones after THAT. They went into the shit pile in my opinion after HIGH N DRY
High n Dry is by far the best but Pyromania is fantastic too. Jus skip the overplayed hits like Photograph and Rock of Ages and listen to the true gems like Coming Under Fire and Action not Words
Pyromania is okay but I never listen to it. I absolutely love the first two and if I have to choose my favorite is whichever one I’m listening to at the time.
I'm with Pete -- Low Budget is my favorite Kinks album too. It's smack in the middle of their great five-album run that began with 1977's Sleepwalker and ends with 1983's State of Confusion. I have had many discussions with a rock-star friend of mine who argues that The Kinks' great stuff is their work from the late '60s into the mid-'70s, when they were doing a lot of complex, experimental, theatrical material. But as Pete says, I like what I like, and what I like is '77-'83 Kinks, of which Low Budget is a shining example.
I do believe the "slick" version of Chicago was also adventurous and complex, yet in a way that was just the right amount of modern sensibility. But yes...in retrospect, the first few albums still hold up. Those sound "of a time." I'd also say that if you prefer any YES album after Going For The One, you aren't a real YES fan.
I am surprised that Pete didn't mention the band Whitesnake. There are basically two different eras of Whitesnake. The very bluesy era from the late 70's through the early 80's, and the Hard Rock/ Glam metal era that started in the late 80's. My favorite Whitesnake album is the 1987 self titled album, but I also love albums like Trouble,Ready An Willin, Saints And Sinners, and Love Hunter alot which is from their Bluesy era. There are some Whitesnake fans that most likely never listened to their Bluesy era because it was never popular in America. It is very different than their Hard Rock/Glam Metal era , but just as amazing in my opinion.
A Canadian example of sounding like where they're from is The Tragically Hip. A huge band here in Canada, still played on the radio all the time and everybody here loves them but most of the world don't know who they are.
The Hip are Canada's biggest in Canada only band of all time. The Band, Rush, The Guess Who, BTO, April Wine, Bryan Adams etc. are all bigger globally but the Hip sold out coast to coast when they toured here as if they were on the same level.
Great choice selecting Damnation by Opeth. It followed Opeth's heaviest period, so it definitely caught some people by surprise. One correction though, Damnation was released 5 months after Deliverance in April 2003.
It's not no1 but its high on my list, but I like those 80's albums that most people have a downer on, ps I don't hate myself but thanks for your concern.
My second favourite Yes album is 'Drama' (after 'The Yes Album'). And I like Trevor Rabin just as much as Steve Howe. So guess I'm not a hardcore Yes fan, though I own 9 albums? Great video and discussion, really has me thinking...!
I got into Yes because of Trevor (GREAT Guitar player and singer) and the rest of the “YesWest” lineup. It made me go and buy most of the stuff from the 70’s and I love most of that.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again and what an interesting topic. As someone who keeps listening to Opeth trying to expand my listening but only owns Damnation at this time- guilty as charged, Pete. An interesting and fun discussion which helped make the day better. An artist who falls into this is Todd Rundgren - either solo or in the band Utopia - as there are so many styles and types of music he makes and depending on what you like, you might not be a Todd Rundgren fan using the criteria here. It's typically has bee the albums of his that are not favorites that another Todd fan will question. Thanks again, gents. There ya go!
I've noticed that there are many times that the 1st album by a band may be my favorite. My thought is that it took more time and effort and needed to be great. If successful, the record company probably pushed the band to repeat. That's why there's such a thing called the "sophomore slump".
But sometimes the first album is a dud and the second is a vast improvement. Judas Priest and Van Morrison come to mind. Bands don't always find the optimal sound on the first try.
Great show as always guys!! Like someone said below, drama is also one of my favorite yes albums but I love all the early stuff, however lots of things were going on in my life at that time (19 yrs old) so the album really resonated with me at that time and has stuck with me through the years, so I imagine personal experiences can have a lot to do with your likes/dislikes even though you love the band
Mine too! Nothing against Bruce but Killers is just their best album start to finish(no bad songs) plus I like how dark it sounds. Their first 5 albums were all great. Somewhere in Time was good but started a downslide IMO but they are still putting out some good stuff.
An example of a true fan is someone who loves a band even when they put out a fan splitting album and they still buy it and give it a chance, obvious examples being Queen - Hot Space Kiss - The Elder Judas Priest - Nostradamus.
I haven’t seen mention of Aerosmith. My sister-in-law loves Steven Tyler and the whole “Pump” and “Get a Grip” era, but never heard of “Toys In The Attic” or “Draw The Line.” Even now, she makes a face when I play those songs.
I like melodic, catchy hard rock music so this is me with so many bands. When I saw the Celtic Frost video for Cherry Orchards on MTV back in the day, I was like “ this song is awesome “ and bought the album. Still like Cold Lake but nothing else by them. Also Load and Reload are unapologetically my favorite Metallica albums, although I do like songs of theirs from other albums also. Youthenasia is my favorite Megadeth album. Trash is the only Alice Cooper album I really enjoy, which I think is a better example than Martin’s. I also really only enjoy the debut Rush album from top to bottom. No, I swear I’m not trolling here. 😂🤣
In my opinion there are a few more that came to mind for me: -AC/DC: For those who came on board with Back in Black. I mean I am not shitting on that album because I like it and all, but those but those albums after Highway to Hell are not as good as the Bon years. -Metallica: Black Album. This one I am guilty of. However, it opened the door for me to go back years later for the albums before it, and now the Black Album is like my fifth or sixth favorite. -The Cars: Heartbeat City. Guilty on this one too. Lots of radio hits on here, but pales in comparison to the first two albums. -Dire Straits: Brothers in Arms. Same as the Cars pick, except I got my intro to them with the live Alchemy album. -Judas Priest: British Steel. Not denying the greatness of this album because it has some of my favorites but I like the earlier ones a bit more. -ZZ Top: Eliminator. Again, not a bad album. Many people got into the band with this albums and the videos that came with it, but albums like “Tres Hombres” “Deguello” before it and ones after like “Rythmeen” I prefer. Great show as usual! 🤟😎🤟
Martin, I couldn't agree LESS! What you've done is eliminate the bands/artists that had long careers and grew/changed as their time period moved along. To wit, I present The Top Three (in no specific order): 1) Page formed Zeppelin purposefully with a mix of great musicianship and varied backgrounds/experience. He's noted for saying that "we could have done a Pentangle-type thing until I got Robert and heard Bonham". Also, Zeppelin's albums were statements of where they were at the moment. 2) The Fab Four. They went from Please Please Me to Abbey Road in six years. No agenda, just two of the best rock songwriters in history pushing each other and acting as b_______t detectors for each other. 3) Elton was the most versatile of all - started solo with backing musicians and a lyricist, then added a rhythm section, then added a guitarist, then put the word "Band" after his name while changing almost everybody and expanding with more musicians, then went solo with backing musicians again no ("Band"), changed lyricists, then changed everybody out again over time (with a couple of repeats, some coming and going and coming and going...) while going back to his original lyricist eventually while settling into a set of backing musicians. No one album or song from these artists/bands comes close to what they were "all about." The common threads are superb musicianship/songwriting and growing/changing.
For many years Motörhead’s Another Perfect Day was the only Motorhead album I owned but I dug them from the first time I heard Ace of Spades. I was just so into Maiden, Judas Priest and the first 2 Ronnie James Dio’s Sabbath albums I did not buy the first 4 Motorhead albums until I had bought APD and then the 2nd Motorhead album I bought was Iron Fist which is my favorite Motorhead album. I know it is crazy but that is how it happens for me.
No, it's not crazy. Everyone has different tastes in music. I'm a big Motörhead fan but my favorite Motörhead records are not the first 4-5 albums. If I had to do a top 3 I think I would go with Rock n Roll, 1916 and Sacrifice.
Hello from the UK 🇬🇧. Interesting show this and concept. I'm a massive Hawkwind fan and for me it's impossible to choose any album or track as my favourite. I must have 40 odd albums and I pick anyone and just listen to it. In my humble opinion they have never made bad album to me they're all great. 🤘🤘🤘
How nice! I don't listen to them, but I like your attitude. Great. I listen to 70s and 80s British bands. I'm a hardcore Jethro Tull fan. But I also like Genesis, Pink Floyd, Led Zepp etc..but I do not think all of their albums are good, or as good. Perhaps I should listen harder, or I should try Hawkwind...🙂 ( by the way, I will as I never have). Hello from Turkey. 🌍☮
Back in the olden days I had a friend who was as big a Hawkwind fan as you could find, I hated them! I couldn't understand how anybody could like Hawkwind. Flash forward about 30 years and I'm at work and had discovered that online music site called Slacker, it worked like Pandora but you could find any song you could even think of on Slacker. One day I decided to listen to Hawkwind because I had heard the song " Hurry On Sundown " and was actually surprised that it was Hawkwind that did that song. I listened to them all day long that day and have to admit I like most every thing they did now, Weird how your music tastes change over the years.
I think there's a difference between "That's my fav album from that band but I love/ like the rest" and "That's my fav album from that band and that's all". If you take the first option then you're a fan of the band, if you take option #2, then you're a fan of the album. Strange conversation...strange kind of conservation I should say... Cheers.
Have you listened to the Clockwork Angels album? You’d probably enjoy it if you like their debut album. It has some real heaviness to it. Headlong Flight might be their hardest rocking song!
This was a really nice discussion. Funny thing is that Van Halen's debut is my favourite of them and Women and Children First is in the second spot. And I now know I'm not a fan of Def Leppard apparently. But I love their first three albums.
Looks like "I'm that guy." The first Def Leppard album is my favorite.of theirs. High & Dry is a close second. Liked Pyromania at the time, but not so much now. Not a fan of anything after that. On Through The Night captured the sound/feel/spirit of the NWOBHM movement and is a classic!
I got tagged along to a Europe gig in the 90s thinking they were 'glammy' pop rock and got a big surpise - hard, heavy metal in biker leathers with no hair spray at all!!
@@franciskocher200 My assumption would be: Not everyone who likes Rainbow likes Slaves and Masters, but everyone (more or less) who prefers Slaves and Masters over other DP albums also prefers Rainbow. But I understand that's also a blanket statement...so, who knows?
My favorite Rush album is the 1st one but many a person think it isn't Rush, because Neil wasn't in the band yet or it wasn't full on prog yet. I love all the 70's and 80's albums, even the newer stuff is pretty good. I just love that first one the most but I am a fan of the " REAL " Rush. Great show guys!
This is a highly interesting discussion, but personally I don´t think that it´s important at all if I´m a true fan of a certain band or if I´m not. I like what I like.
Martin's comment on the advance single effect or one song maybe coloring people's view on a whole album, when that song is a outlier. Worth exploring more I think.
I guess it's so, my fav too so with Mutt they simply changed musically so much they perfected it with Pyromania a style they've been copying ever since, in many ways that third album was a brilliant one-off (stroke of luck?) where the musical approach clicked and ticked all boxed, everything coming after it were (even more) overproduced imitations...
There are very few bands where I like a majority or all of their catalog so I guess I don’t care whether someone defines me as a fan or non-fan, I like what I like and for a lot of groups that’s half or less than half of their music. I mean a lot of bands are only good for only a couple of albums, but it’s all subjective anyway and I’m way to picky to go all the way into a band that has stayed beyond the limit of having anything more to say, but again it’s just what you like and there are exceptions. Using your definitions, I guess you could say I’m more a fan of albums rather than bands in most cases.
One more thing I would like to add is David Bowie, some people love the hits but my love for Bowie is the early releases, same applies to Peter Gabriel when most of my friends love his pop hits and claim to have him as their favorite artist but never realized he sang for Genesis.
I remember we used take our cars out into the woods and party all night with great tunes I rember Child in TIME playing and I just gazed into the night skies it was Magic I wish I could go back to those days
Martin prefaced a comment that it would make a good show. The comment was that a track that may be a bit different can sometimes make people believe that it indicative of the entire album though in fact it wasn't. I would agree that would be a great future episode.
Another example, at least for me, is the band Rush. My favorite albums are their first two; Rush (self-titled) and Fly By Night. These albums are drastically different from their big album sellers to come later. That being said, there is not a Rush album I dislike. In this case, I guess I'm a fan of the band but have odd (at least in most people's view) favorite choices. The albums I love are so great I can't help but also love the band and their other albums.
I agree. I'm like that on multiple bands. Bands evolve and if a person likes a particular "sound" that influences the album choice. Also many artists change their sound every album.
I feel the same about the first two albums, but after that I lose interest in Rush, but I really like the first two, my favorite Rush songs ever is from 2112, the song called ' Lessons' I love that freakin' song.
I am guilty when it comes to Chicago my favorite songs comes from the albums 16,17,18.19 but I do like some of the songs from the albums that come before them.
I like the Dio era of Sabbath and the Coverdale era of Deep Purple more than the more famous eras. I've been told I'm not a real fan of either band. Usually by people who are only into the hits of both bands. I consider myself more of a fan, simply because I've listened so much to both that I'm burnt out on the popular eras; possibly for life....
Stormbringer is a fantastic Purple album! I think that if Dio era Sabbath had made 2 or 3 more albums of the same calibre off the back of HaH and MR, there would be a very good case, even though the Ozzy era is obviously great too, for that era to be the definitive one of the band. But don't worry if people don't like your opinions on this and stick to your guns!
i'm a music fan, not so much a band fan. If the music is good, I like it. If it sucks, it sucks. Bands will break your heart if you invest your all into a band and like every album they release no matter if it sucks or not. Kiss is my ultimate example. Their last great album IMHO is Rock and Roll Over. Everything after that except maybe is Creatures of the Night...is trash. I moved on to Iron Maiden as my "favorite band", they also broke my heart when they released Powerslave, because I thought it was bloated, too long and my heart...broken again. Bands will always break your heart. Listen to the music and damn the band name. If it's good, it's good, if it sucks, it sucks. Lesson learned.
@@alternativepreacher4516 Thats the key word.."almost". No band, not even the (imho) Beatles are not perfect. Even they released pure crap. I love that music is subjective and never objective. You have your personal taste and I will have mine, doesn't make me right, just opinionated. I think that Blackwater Park is near perfection, doesn't make me right..but damn close. Even Opeth broke my heart with their last 4 releases. I hated all of them. But from Orchid to Watershed, to me it was near perfection. I guess that make's me an Opeth fan... Or not.
Was introduced to Maiden with 7th Son and passed on them for years because of it. I was just more into early thrash metal, Sabbath and AC/DC. When I heard the first two albums with Di'anno it blew me away. I think the self titled and Killers are the best thing they ever done. They'd probably be one of my favorite bands if they kept Paul and made a few more albums in the same vein as the first two.
I adamantly agree about the debut. I'm not real big on Killers, but Adrian sounds impressive out of the starter gate. Many of the songs were written before their first album, like Purgatory and Wrathchild, and you can hear the unfortunate toll Paul's alcoholism was taking in the increasing incoherency of the vocals. He had a magnetism that Bruce lacks. It's not that Bruce isn't riveting; he is, but in a different way. Paul had a wild unpredictability about him that a small handful of uninhibited rock greats like Morrison, Lydon, and Axl exhibit. I don't think you would have loved him if he'd stuck around until Seventh Son and chances are he would have died, but he gave the world two exciting metal records at a time when the possibilities of the genre seemed endless.
@@mattwhite7995 I agree with about everything you said. Their debut is definitely my favorite between the two of them, which I find it kind of odd that it seems Killers gets more praise among the fans (so does the Bruce era so I guess it doesn't mean much) but their self-titled album absolutely crushes, song after song. Maybe it has the thinner production out of the two but with songwriting as good as that it doesn't matter to me. It's like a greatest hits album. No doubt Paul wouldn't have lasted up to 7th Son, I just wish they would've banged out a couple more with him and I'd be content. He most definitely had that something that I don't see or hear from Bruce. Paul was a lot more unique, from his appearance to his vocals. I just read an article a couple weeks ago talking about how James Hetfield and Billy Gibbons are huge fans of the Paul era and the only Maiden that they listen too. That's not the first time I've heard that coming from people in the scene.
@@perpetualmotion357 I wouldn't write off the Bruce era. There are some undeniably great classics there. I even think there are some good songs on Blaze's "The X Factor" that take Maiden in a darker direction than they've been on since Killers. Aftermath and Fortunes of War seem much more legit as social commentary than, say, Fear Is the Key. As someone whose favorite metal album is the debut, I will say Bruce doing Paul's stuff is not what I want to hear. I thought Running Free was one of the worst songs I'd ever heard because I was introduced to it via Live After Death. But with Paul, Clive, and Dennis, it's another story. Now it's one of my ten favorites, along with three other tracks on the same album. Pretty cool that Billy Gibbons loves that stuff! As far as production goes: A. That vinyl costs an arm and a leg. I own a CD reissue and B. When did we decide that we all need Brian Eno's ears to love music? Who cares if the production is great? I don't need my Sex Pistols to sound like Moby.
Some of the artists/Bands where I like anything they released is David Bowie, SKOLD or where certain persons is involved ; Chris Goss, Martin Gore, John Paul Jones, Alain Johannes, Josh Homme, Alan Wilder, Midge Ure, Bozzio etc
If Queen's debut and Queen II constantly flip flop between being your favourite and second favourite Queen album then you're probably not a fan of the pop-metal-karaoke-music-hall-genre-hopping-cabaret act that they became for most of their career.
I favor the first three albums but still a fan of later stuff as well. The News of the World album cover scared me as a kid in the seventies. Just like Stewie on that Family Guy episode! Maybe a common experience 😅
@@Rockerlady I do love lots of individual tracks from later albums, but find their albums as a whole a bit meh. As a prog fan The Prophet's Song and Innuendo are particular faves. I was 20 when New of the World came out so would have been a bit of a wuss if it had scared me! Never gotten around to Family Guy.
This topic screams ZZ Top - Eliminator. Probably their biggest seller, certainly an MTV darling, if you ask a casual music fan all they will talk about is Legs and Sharp Dressed Man. The real ZZ Top is dirty, grungy, bluesy roots music, everything the MTV Trio albums aren't.
IMHO King Crimson is Robert Fripp. Whichever direction Fripp wanted to go King Crimson followed. So is King Crimson unlike Peter Gabriel in not so much an actual band but Fripp’s projects?
Maybe people just love the songs on these albums more than others? Another Perfect Day was the 2nd Motorhead album I ever heard. Full of killer songs: Dancing on your Grave, One Track Mind and Shine, to name a few. If you only like Kiss with Bob Ezrin, then you should also like The Elder.
Here in the UK Whitesnake 1987. Not an album for the purists. Sorry Pete but the early stuff is what they were about. Born in the USA . Just because it was so huge. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon with that one then jumped off when Tunnel of Love came out. Agree with Europe, there early stuff is so much better
On the song front the first thing I saw The Strawbs do was Part of the Union, a political singalong that your Mum and Dad liked. The next thing I saw them do was Lay Down and I was, oh ...
You misunderstood what I said. I said I like all those early Kinks albums, but they aren’t my favorites, so perhaps I don’t truly get the Kinks like those who have been listening to them from the early days.
I don't think Pete ever believed you have to like an entire discography to be a fan. What band would have any? If he said that, it's something his actions have contradicted 1000 times over. It would be ridiculous to say he isn't a Sabbath fan, despite that he admits to not liking arguably their most quintessential song.
This is a great topic! The first album that comes to my mind and for me is one of the clearest examples of this subjet is Rock & Roll Animal by Lou Reed.
Martin doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all regarding VH1. That album is loaded with wild, spontaneous jams. The bass and drums are the busiest on that album and the solos are probably some of Ed’s wildest.
Interesting topic. Take a band like Metallica, which is 40 years old, and still gets the "I only like THE REAL Metallica, the one from 83 to 88". That band only lasted 5 years. Is everything from 1991 up to now (more than 32 years) not real Metallica? So, it's fair to say that if we only like Kill'em All up to Justice, we are not real Metallica fans, right?
