If You Think The New Defender Isn’t An Off-Roader Watch It Take On The New V8 Jeep Wrangler 

I like the smell of napalm.

Yes

Only problem if you want the 392 in the jeep, you have to get the 4 doors. So you would have to go down to one of the other 4 engine options.

​@@wow956 The world may never know! The upcoming Defender V8 vs Wrangler 392 vs hypothetical V8 Bronco would be a dope comparison.

@@stldweller said the soccer mom. 2 doors jeeps are great if you value offroading the most in your vehicle.

3 way🤓

@@liftman3334 ya boy...

5* way 4runner and gladiator

@@mandoesgameing8127 if we bring a gladiator we have to include a canoe. (Same brake over angle)

Bronco??? Lol ..

TFL yank bias is strong, Harry’s Garage is here to balance them out!

Yeah I totally agree. It’s also so much better at everything else it’s not funny. It’s embarrassing that a wrangler can’t tow anything and it’s payload sucks. I just towed 7k lb across the US with my 2021 x-dynamic defender

Agree! For some odd reason the Defender is a vehicle a lot of (jealous?) people love to hate. I honestly don’t get it; Even TFL who claims to be “Honest” keep circulating the “3- bad-defenders-fake-news-story” - they should take a long hard look at their “honesty”!

@@TylerDickey1 well said, exactly!!

My 2023 defender 90 has had zero issues and I really like it. Put KO2’s on it. 12k miles

Watch LiteBrite channel they just featured the Bronco on some real rocks in Moab

@@aron6998 The Bronco did very well.

Does it matter? all the broncos I've seen look like crap. I was a huge fan of the bronco growing up my uncle always had a primo bronco , these bronco's look so weird

@@phasechange5053 La beauté est dans l'oeil de celui qui regarde

That would be a closer apples to apples comparison....

To me, I thought the Wrangler was shaking them about more. So wonder if the Defender is more comfortable?

Well I do. Absolutely no defender after all the horror stories.

@@jimmytong2033 lol horror stories?? We aren't talking about Tesla.

@@VWkid4life that too but this video is about land Rover and off-roading.

@@jimmytong2033 I belong to 3 New Defender groups. Most of the problems are over the air updates on the pivo-pro. No mechanical or design issues. A few members already have 40,000 miles on their rigs with zero problems. Looking forward to my new Defender 90.

@@VWkid4life congratulations on your win. Unfortunately many others loss.

🤔 although it's rated for 7000lb, just 10% tongue weight (700lb) ... you must have done the trip solo or you loaded the heaviest items behind the axles.

Erik Lee it’s rated for 8200 lbs actually. The tongue weight limit is a uk thing and is less detrimental than that limit would imply. I towed a 6k lb airstream with my LR3 with way above the tongue limit although somewhat mitigated with a weight distribution hitch w/ no issues. On this trip I also had several hundred pounds of housing stuff in the cabin as I’m moving to Atlanta from Seattle. The other thing is the trailer doesn’t have brakes so all braking was the Defender and it did great with no issues.

Really good workhorses, fleets use them a lot in my country.

If only bronco put the 5.0 coyote in their but the 2.7 twins is cool too

@@cybersyber3602 yeah too bad the Dohc Coyote doesn't fit under the hood of the Bronco but at least the 2.7 can be pretty easily tuned to 500+hp and will probably make more torque tuned than even the supercharged V8 in the Defender

In a few months neither will be running

@@joaquinpaul8205 yeah well the 2022 model warthog is gonna have the 3.5 so they will probably be able to fit the 5.0 in that imagine it super charged and tuned omg that thing would eat the raptor and trx and shit out the 392 wrangualr Idk I'm,my oppinion dodge is the most American muscle cars and trucks as of now but if ford made that it would be the number one pick for me for sure I'm getting the bronco regardless tho with the 2.7 when I'm 80 I'm probably still gonna have it lol

@@wrongwheeldrive9605 hahahaha, hilarious

@Pro4x Trdpro I actually had a Tacoma and thought the MTS was garbage and unless on level ground it never wanted to go into low range.

@Pro4x Trdpro some of the MTS functions require you to be in low range.

@Pro4x Trdpro tell that to all the Tacoma owners besides myself on Tacomaworld that have the same issue with engaging low range. Well documented problem.

I have a P400 as well after owning three Wranglers. I was surprised by their value pick. The fit and finish of the Defender is leaps and bounds above the Wrangler. Also, I think their 20% is really more like 10%. I'd like to see a video where the Wrangler truly does something the Defender can't.

You can also say this is the sleeper version.

@@nielsdebakker3283 - Agreed. If I were to shell out the cash, I would be happier with the Wrangler as it is. People are commenting it’s too expensive already. Add alterations and changes to make it stand out and it gets much more expensive!!

Just turn the bitch on and rev it, that's all you need to show you were stupid enough to spend 90k on an 8 cylinder piece of shit

You'd be surprised, people that are paying attention to this, like myself, would actually take it offroading in Moab.

Probably 10% maybe

you have a NAS 90 and you're concerned about resale of the Rover?

I get your point. And Im not being a douche here but asking because I love talking about this stuff. So in a Rubi you manually put it into four wheel drive, either high or low. And that helps you get over stuff. Then you manually lock the rear or front diff and that helps you get over stuff. In my LR4 I have a locking center diff, low range and a locking rear diff. Difference is the center diff locks electronically and automatically instead of manually, and rear diff locks electronically and automatically instead of manually and instead of a locking front diff it has brake control. Low range is still a manual select. Is pushing a button yourself instead of the veh locking the diff or putting it into four wheel drive automatically really that different? I mean we’re all using technology to get us over obstacles or through muck? Anyway, main thing is we’re all out in the mud having fun, no matter how we do it. See you on the trails. 🤙

I see brand new ones getting towed. Horrible reliability

@@briankenny6822 Exactly. Let's face it, any manufacturer that is willing to sink millions into developing an off-roader IS going to end up with something that can drive off-road. The big question is whether it'll still be running 20 years (or in the new Defender's case, 20 minutes) after leaving the showroom.

Indeed the defender is an off-road vehicle. It will spend most of its time off the road in the repair shop, so technically it is an off-road car right babe?

@@piemar97 you don’t even know what you are talking about

@@romantkachuk168 Says the guy who probably doesn't even own neither of the 2 cars... Have a read here: www.edmunds.com/land-rover/defender/2020/consumer-reviews/?rating=1

@@romantkachuk168 he does know Range Rover is the most unreliable Brand and they sell cars that when the owners go pick them up they already have codes popping up one vehicle the mechanics couldn't figure out why the range would turn on took them 2 days and the alarm would randomly come on 😂 it's bad. Range Rover and this is a honest opinion is the most unreliable brand out of all brands but they drive really good and tbh that's why I think they still sell vehicles

@@dor1tomcswagger69 the fact of the matter remains; The Defender is the most capable of these vehicles as is proven in the factual payload and off road numbers. Furthermore, the Defender WON this test due to superior ground clearance.

Exactly 1300 $ a month , you could build a pretty nice unit for under 2 years payments with pretty much any older base model as a starting point.

Nope, not much of a difference. We’ve driven both off-road. Have you?

@@TFLcar I own both. And there is a noticeable difference, there is no debate on that. Also you can get the loop kit here. www.powerfuluk.com/land-rover-defender-2020-tow-loop-upgrade-kit-red.html

Eh, the wrangler was farther right making the tallest rocks directly underneath instead of to the right center but close enough for this comparison!

I think the articulation actually played against the wrangler here. It was much more level, so it could scrape those rocks. Where as the defender was just pointing vertically upwards, until it eventually got to the top!

Land Rover has gotten much better in terms of reliability. On my second Disco with no issues, and I take it off-roading. I have an old TJ wrangler which is bullet proof. Overall, Land Rovers get a bad wrap in my opinion in terms of reliability. I used to have an old LR3. Things was a beast.

@@TheGreatOutdoorAdventure If they’re more reliable than people think then why don’t I see any older Land Rovers on the road?

@@embeaston Because... the newer designs with the new engines... are not old yet. Here in the US, they are rare and a premium. So less to begin with and their target market is the guppy mall crawler.

@@embeaston wdym I see them all the time, I even own own

Still a POS for reliability but a cool vehicle otherwise.

I caught that 😂😂😂. Gotta get those kids started on work early so they can help pay for the Jeep! Lol

@@johnmayer8959 LOLOLOL RIGHT!!

Much better suspension and unlike the defender the wrangler actually has suspension travel. Difference us if the electronics fail, and they will, at the worst time, that defender won't do squat offroad. The wrangler on the other hand, would be just fine, especially a Rubicon with the swaybar disconnect and lockers. LR has done a great job making it capable offroad but it took tons of electronics to do it because lets face it, in offroad height it has virtually zero suspension travel. Bounces like a car resting on its bump stops and lifts wheels on the smallest obstacles. It took alot of electronics and programming to compensate for the suspension design. Im a Land Rover guy but im disappointed thay the defender is such a departure from the original. If they'd have at least given it a solid rear axle then it could have been a decent replacement. As good as it is, its not a real replacement for the original. Much like the current Cherokee could never be a replacement for the XJ.

I hate this excuse so much. The price of a vehicle shouldn't determine its purpose. Using this logic would be like saying a 911 isn't a real sports car because you'd be afraid to lose control while speeding.

LR POS

Absolutely right!

I only see the guys being honest at TFL, yes their Defenders werent perfect but they persisted with the brand and everyone told them exactly what would happen and it did. All new model vehicles have issues and normaly its sorted with the 2nd gen derivatives so I hope LR up their game because they rely heavily on tech to compete in the market. Look at how well the guys reviewed their second hand buys and did a lot of content on their Discos they bought, I dont see any biased people here. Im just happy they have a popular channel and their car was swapped by LR, not sure how the normal customer would be treated?

@@henkstols9326 - thank you for your comment. I agree with many of your points. Very well stated. As a Land Rover and Ford guy I suppose I am naturally biased and sensitive to comments about “my“ brands. I do think the son Tommy goes a little bit overboard with all of his little Land Rover digs. But if I went through what they went through, I would be pretty darn frustrated too. I do believe the dad is really trying to like the defender. And Land Rover absolutely Has to get its crap together with these little details. If they want to have legendary reliability like Toyota they have to do better. Solid brand with room to grow. Thanks again.

No, LR deserves it. They’ve always sucked. Even their best vehicles absolutely FAIL in the durability/reliability department. Go elsewhere.

My neighbor had a Javelin with a 401 when I was a kid.

You know nothing. Go to bed!

@@danbskyguy You must be one of those Defender owners XD

@@pcx4545 haha . Your right. But misery loves company

@@pcx4545 Nope. I actually have a Jeep for some weekend fun. Defender is far more capable!

Whatever it is that you're smoking that causes you to believe that "80% of Wranglers will be used in real off road conditions," I want some, too, so I can take a break from reality right along with you.

Does it matter ???

@@sking2173 I wouldn't ask if it didn't

@@sking2173 well yeah bc not all Wranglers have lockers.

It’s an infinitely better daily too

"Reliability"? I haven't known of any Wranglers to have computer problems on a yearly basis, regular suspension failures, catastrophic engine failure around 100k miles etc. etc. etc. Hard to say the same for Land Rover unfortunately.

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@Tyler Dickey, I think Walter was sending these to you

@@josiaevans Sorry, now I don't know who I sent this information to... lol. Anyway, it's valid. Greetings from Costa Rica

@@waltermeono5253 all good, keep the cool videos coming! 💓

What were you expecting then?

I get your point, but I think Tommy was talking about the full cost (engine swap AND vehicle).

@@InfoSecTangSoo Point taken. Didn't take full cost of vehicle into account. 👍

You. That was the deal breaker for me too. Need to tow 6000 lb boat from time to time. The Ineos Grenadier is supposed to have a similar tow rating to the Defender so if looking for something more old school but with high tow rating may want to wait to see about it. I know I am. For me will probably be down to Defender, Gladiator with cap/pop tent on bed and a Grenadier. I think Bronco will tow like the Wrangler.

The rich getting richer. Insanely priced Wrangler, Rolls Royce having the best sales year in its modern history. They’re leaving us behind

Depends on how you spec it! You can nearly buy three base Wranglers for the price of that V8. :) Based on canadian prices, at least.

Have you seen the price of the new V8 Defender? In the U.K. it starts at £98,000 for a V8 90 and £110,000 for the 110 version - that’s a lot of dosh for a “utility” vehicle with a big V8 gas sucking engine.

The Wrangler price is “outrageous” but the Defender’s price is not?

@@dfghjkl501 You are not being “left behind”; YOU are not keeping up. Stop blaming everyone else for your shortcomings. It’s not a zero-sum system. If you want to earn enough money to buy expensive things, get off your lard ass and work for it.

So called Rich kid Tommy works for his money! You watch the videos. You are the reason they have the money to bring us these videos!

Yep it is, it does all of that with a center Diff lock, yet the 392 sure got front, center & the rear. Wheel articulation here is simply is to gain traction, yet the Defender eliminates that due to it's traction control system which simply proves a better program in this, but like always TFL, absolute zero regard.

Yes you can fold down the windshield with that top

I agree. I also think this channel likes to minimize how well the Defender does off-road even though it owns every challenge with ease...

the v8 Defender it’s over £100,000 so it’s not cheaper...

@@Thomas-om6ov i was referring to theirs, personally if i was looking for a land rover v8 I wouldn't even bother with the defender...

Sorry, that sucks!

What's wrong with it?

I had the same issue, LRNA was good about it. One threatening letter and they bought the car back and I had the car for over a year and put a bunch of miles on it. Part of it is build quality and suspect technology, the other issue is the incompetence of the dealers and their supply chain issues. I had huge issues with multiple LR dealers service departments, not knowing what they are doing. I even had one inadvertently break my functioning LR3, nothing like bringing in a car with no codes for a fluid leak and getting a car back throwing codes and they quoted me $800 to fix the codes and over 2k to fix the trans fluid leak($3k total), managed to clean the contacts on the TCM and reprogram the computer myself for $0, there was nothing wrong with it besides a dirty contact which didn't cause a problem until they tried to upgrade the TCM. Had an independent euro mechanic fix the trans leak with a pan kit I bought from roverparts, $300 for the pan kit and $400 in labor so way better than the $2300, what worse as I had to pay the crooks 2 hours labor(I think 165 per hour, plus tax and shop supplies) for their inspection nearly $375 for breaking the car. These dealers don't pay their mechanics well, a lot of the best mechanics from dealerships go out on their own. On the new one I went through 2 dealers until I went to the one who I bought my LR3 from and who used to work on the car before I moved, they sorted it out, by that time it seemed like the car was OK but since LR already agreed to take it back at no cost to me I went ahead and returned it despite not really wanting to. Something about 70 days at the dealer service department makes the smart bet returning the vehicle. My advise is move forward with the buy back department(1-800-637-6837, tell them you want to open a complaint and threaten them with the lemon law because in most states anything over 30 days in the shop is eligible) and/or find another dealer. LRNA was terrible about the dealer network you complain about the dealer and they do nothing and they will not directly deal with them, they need to crack down on these guys as it represents them very poorly. The dealers should be catching defects before the customer and should be able to fix the vehicles, also it seems a lot of the delays seems to be about parts supplies. LR knows how unreliable their vehicles are and should have parts put aside for repair and in North America, what happens is there is one thing wrong so they order a part and it takes a week or 2 to come from the UK, than they see something else wrong, so it's another part, and then another part and the next thing you know they've had the car a month..... It's not the experience you should get after paying $75 for a new car.

You have said it yourself on other videos that most people won't take the defender offroad. Wrangler owners sign the paperwork at the dealer and head for the hills.

I agree. It would be nice if the comparison was between The defnder and the Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk.

But why? The unibody on it is stronger and stiffer than the frame of all of its competitors

@@whatsongisthis5691 it’s wasted effort. People only regurgitate “facts” they hear online now. The actual efficacy of a platform is not important if you don’t care to grow with the times. Body on frame is antiquated and unnecessary

Did you see that the bronco sport has 2 or 3 recalls already? And the wrangler looks a lot better in my opinion.

it'll sell great on the first 18 months. Only time will tell after that