Il Mestiere delle armi - La battaglia 

I want a movie about the 30 Years War as well

Mind if i know the film ?

@@John_winston not at all

@@N1originalgazza well what is the name of the film ?

@@John_winston The original italian title is "Il mestiere delle army". The english version is "The profession of arms" which is the exact translation....I did not understand you really want to know it. Director was Ermanno Olmi the year 2001.

@@N1originalgazza well im a history buff, i really love films about historical event,by the way thanks though

Ce ne sono voluti di anni, ma per nostra fortuna uscirà il 22 Luglio 2022! Speriamo che la qualità audio e video siano all'altezza.

Sì, Grande Diavolo 🤗

@@mariecurie7491 🖤

Late 16th century Harlaus...

A eterna gloria, in portuguese?

Não, em italiano ... significa "em glória eterna"

Sto bandenere culobianco banchiere strozzino di sud del Po Combatteva per il papa e la sua signoria, mica per le genti italiche... e poi l'Italia si era già fatta da sola nel Cretaceo... anche no.

Il saccheggio di roma, capitale della Chiesa cattolica corrotta e malvagia fu una delle poche cose buone accadute nel XVI secolo

@@giuliogemino6407 ma infatti, solito italico dal pettuccio gonfio che da aria alla bocca

@@MrCapilat Dude i cant understand Russian

Fuckin wanker

The time of knights is no more, but it lives...every time a movie , a book or a story will talk about it, it will live again...good news, because it is the doom of men that they forget.

Always has been, from Iliad to now

No conocía esta peli, voy a verla ahora mismo :-)

Sì es una traduccion correcta. Cabe bien con el sentido del titulo italiano

En savoir plus sur l'islam

Yeah we get it dude, you play pc games fucking chill.

This battle was thought to be an easy win for the palla forces cuz they had good commanders and equipment but at the last moment the Ferrara's Duke betrayed the Pope and sold to the Swiss mercenaries 4 cannon and a shit-ton of guns.

Riccardo Pattarin whats the name of this battle ? Can you give me a link? Please. I’m extremely interested

@@reecealeck8314 I think it is the battle of Cesena but i'm not sure. Maybe if you check the battles which Had been fought between the italian states (vatican) and the Lanzichenecchi (swiss mercs) during the Kingdom of Karl the Fifth. Those battles are all around 1550 d.c.

I hate parade drill too. They looks so anachronistic but they are useful to create cohesion between troops and corp spirit.

Fabio Vacchi composed "Luoghi immaginari" between 1987 and 1992, in 2002 he won the "David di Donatello" best musician for the soundtrack of "il mestiere delle armi" by Ermanno Olmi. ru-vid.com. Fabio Vacchi compose fra il 1987 e il 1992 "Luoghi immaginari" nel 2002 vincerà il David di Donatello come miglior musicista per la colonna sonora deI film "il mestiere delle armi" di Ermanno Olmi. ru-vid.com.

The music in that scene is “Calami Sonum Ferentes “, a madrigal composed by Cipriano de Rore (1516-1565) 👋🏼

@@papermusic7070 Thank you! Finally found it after more than 10+ years.

florentinenymph ma non sono colubrine?

@@sesanalorenzo le colubrine sono di calibro superiore! Davanti al castello di Ferrara c'è una famosa colubrina si chiama Regina 📚🎨!!!

*leg

Le guerre dell'epoca erano scaramucce tra pochi reparti. Il Signore degli Anelli dove migliaia di persone si lanciano con il cavallo addosso agli orchi(un cavallo non è così idiota) sono appunto opere fantasy.

* poins to battle of winterfell * Are you sure about that?

To describe the war, Olmi doesn't need the blood or effects ecc. Suffering comes with cold, hunger, the heavys weapons during the march in Padana's flat land. Is not important the battle, it's important the suffering of men. This is an italian film, not american.

this isnt a movie about battles, its about soldiers... a braveheart gore bath isnt always necessary to convey the story

è moscissima ragazzi, il tizio ha ragione

Actually, it's probably fairly accurate. It shows what happens when cavalry try to attack fortified infantry.

È realistico e documentato lo scontro fu condotto a febbraio in pieno inverno

Giovanni De Medici e’ morto il 30 Novembre!!!

Cuando un ejército,va camino de destruir una ciudad,crees que les puedes pedir que paren, pues hace mucho frío Pues ese ejército de dirigía a tomar ROMA la tomo y destruyó junto con los españoles

Was an Italian movie named "il mestiere delle armi" You can read in the title too.

@@lorislo7837 En savoir plus sur l'islam

Didn't exist yet...

Winged hussars would have also likely perished.

@@giulianoilfilosofo7927 from few cannos and pikemens? I dont think so. wingrd hussars in this prediod of time was at the top of their combat efficiency and for most of their battle history was fighting and winning against overwhelming enemy forces with pikes rifles and cannos on their side. If you have some proof i would like to see one.

@@equs2952 Attacking a fortified position with a frontal charge without the opportunity to circle around? They would have been butchered, also because the entire point of this scene is the Introduction of the Falconetto, a new type of artillery piece which was gifted to Frundsberg by the Duke of Ferrara alongside a ton of arqebusiers, while Giovanni De Medici wasn't aware of that. What the Medici was trying to do here was simply to get into useful distance for shooting in skirmish. The French Gendarmes tried to frontally charge this kind of infantry formations to the lance at Pavia, repeatedly, with widely known results. The Hussars, for all their skills, would have met the same fate.

@@giulianoilfilosofo7927 ah you mean that ruins with falling walls. And your argument about having no place to to circle around is invalid for one reason: winged hussars was a shock cavalery not dragoons. Their objective was to smash and destroy enemy formation and them chase the reamings. You think swedish dont use facolnets ? But you have one point: hussars always have heavy losses.

In Hela aber wir, dass gestorben sind, wir sind direkt in Himmel eintreten!!!

Let's find out!

1526 is the year of this event, if you're asking who was charging, it was "Giovanni delle bande nere" search for that

@@A-O161 thanks.

armor at that time was made to stop bullets only swords and pikes and such so yes bullets could get through.

It wasn't a gun was a "falconet" (small calibre cannon) that's why the projectile went through the armour and did lot of damage to Giovanni's thigh.

@@N1originalgazza If any kind of armor could stop bullets people would still be wearing it.

@@beninwarrior4579 First 16th century pistols couldn't do much damage from the distance where Giovanni dalle bande nere was shot. Second They were expecting pistol or arquebus/musket fire not falconet fire(that's why they were at (more or less) 70/80 meters)

by wikipedia the falconet ball shatered his right leg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_dalle_Bande_Nere

You're joking, right? The armour and costumes are fantastic. Probably the most accurate portrayal of 16th century equipment I've ever seen.

@@DumDumHistory They really aren't. But I am more concerned by the tactics in the 'battle'.

@@Cervando Really? I know it's not perfect but it's the best in film that I've seen so far. The armour they're wearing conforms pretty well to how armour looked around the 1520s. Granted, the cavalry leader's armour is more 1490s to 1500s, but it was common for armour to be used for a long time. The infantry are wearing sallets, as they should be, while their clothing is of the correct slash-puffed fashion. The main gripe is the odd visored burgonets the cavalry have. As for tactics, you'd be surprised how often cavalry tried to attack pikemen head on. The French at Pavia tried it over a dozen times. What the cavalry are trying to do here is to break up the enemy formation with arquebus fire, which is something that was in fact done on occasion. Granted, it's not a particularly impressive scene, but it's a lot better than most of the rubbish that comes out today.

@@DumDumHistory You highlighted the visors which stick out like a sore thumb. That was what I noticed immediately. Cavalry seldom if ever used arquebuses. There were light cavalry that used pistols, such as German Reiter and the Spanish with their Caracole tactic. However, here there was no need to break up the pike formation as it was laughable, far too few and far too apart. They would have been better used behind the walls. Hiding the canons behind walls and then knocking them down was ridiculous and served no purpose. Suprise could have been achieved simply by firing them at range, which would have also allowed them to get more shots off and stopped the cavalry closing to use their arquebuses. Frankly I didn't understand why the cavalry fled. After the one ineffective salvo from the canons, they were so close to the guns they could not have been reloaded before being over run through the holes they conviently made.

@@Cervando One shouldn't expect tactical perfection from a film. What's far more important is authenticity - the characters have to look and act like they belong in the era they are portraying, and I'd say the film does that very well. Think of it as a play rather than a documentary. There's no plastic shields, no fake-leather costumes, no modern hairstyles. The men haven't just smeared mud on their faces half an hour before filming began - they actually look emaciated and grimy. Olmi was not trying to recreate the exact movements of 16th century battle - he's trying to give an unlearned audience the feel of one, as best as he can. Interestingly, Giovanni d'Medici (the commander depicted here) was indeed killed by a falconet shot to the leg which became infected. Unfortunately I couldn't find out how exactly it happened, but it goes to show that the filmmakers did indeed do research.

Мне тоже интересно как фильм называется..

«Великий Медичи: рыцарь войны»

It was because of the artillery that they lost, not because of where they charged

The artillery wasn't hitting crap..lol

@@Pete3Heat except Giovanni's leg and the other horsemen, as muskets couldn't penetrate the armour

What movies is this sir?

@@rommelcastillo1503 "il mestiere dalle armi"

Non era la Germania, era il Impero Spagnolo e Austro-Borgognone (Habsburg-Burgund)

@@MrLaizard Quella era la bandiera del sacro romano impero

@@MrLaizard Sacro romano impero, Carlo V era un Asburgo perciò un crucco, diventò anche re di Spagna (la lo chiamarono Carlos I°)

Так это только 16 век, еще картечи не придумали.

This is 1526.

Il mestiere delle armi di Ermanno Olmi

@@alessandrorech8907 ty

So playing Total War made you an expert?

@@xMallNinjax1 nope I think its because since I was 6 i spent alot of time studying in library's reading books i've been interested in war strategies tactics through out history since then but total war is a mere simulation of what it's like commanding an army against another army in reality it's not so easy and simple and also I come from a warrior race the maori from New Zealand and my ancestors where battle ready as tribes where always at war and then the British came to New Zealand it was known as the New Zealand wars maori vs pakeha over land in the 1800s I am not an expert but a student of war history tactics and strategies and also a maori from New Zealand kia ora ko jaz taku ingoa pukana blllaaaahhhhh

Just a movie, lol

@@K.D.A_24 indeed

Simple, shoot and retreat, until your infantry line doesn't make contact. They weren't charging, they were getting closer to use the guns.

IL MESTIERE DELLE ARMI..

Something like "the Profession of Arms".

Well ...you don't have underderstood. The pontifical light cavarly was the better cavalry in Europe, at this moment. The armures and the arms were the better. They had rifles, not spears. The sword was used as salutation. Swiss had breaken all the battle rules of the period, using hidden guns. This is the story of the breaking of old rules and of the birth of a new kind of war, without rules.

Это немцы и итальянцы, итальянские войны

@Carlo Canti Rocroi wasnt a decisive victory. Spaniards crushed the french later tan year in Tuttlingen, invaded France in 1650 and beat Turenne at Valenciennes in 1656.

*Laughs in Spanish Civil War*

*laughs in League of Cambrai*

Don't write on what you do not know not understand

I hate you Nazeem you are so snob.

Immer mit der Ruhe, verstanden sie?

it's an Italian movie

@Carlo Canti don't be racist please! Just kidding. Yeah having blacks in historical movies of medieval Europe is absolutely insane. I almost puked my balls out when I saw black Achilles in new Troy. Too much cocaine in Hollywood bro

It is one year later, I hope your italian (or your french) is now significantly better than that

Considerably better than the crap Hollywood produces.