I know this isn't accurate, but I like to imagine the two Georgia officials huddled around the same phone, giving each other increasingly incredulous looks
Someone has said "The same people screaming Trump's mentally fit to be POTUS will soon scream that he's not mentally fit to attend trial." I'm afraid he's right.
@@lumikkiharthri6658 And which political part controls Georgia legislature, I wonder. I wonder why would Republican governor and legislature would want Biden to win. The real problem is that some people are sore loser. Now who are the snowflakes, I wonder.
@@lumikkiharthri6658 Do you really think a signature audit will flip the state? Recounts never changed much. Just accept the results. The Texas Lawsuit was thrown out for having no standing, but it was never a realistic Lawsuit to begin with. You could have thrown it out for many reasons. Don´t get your hopes up.
You're in trouble as a lawyer when your best argument to defend your client from a crime is to say 'he's too stupid to realize he's commiting a crime.'
Though, of course, one problem with that is that, being so delusional, stupid, and narcissistic, he'll fight tooth and nail against his own lawyers' attempts to put in a stupidity defense.
Then he would be disqualified from running for President because he's not mentally capable of signing a contract. www.upcounsel.com/mental-capacity-to-contract
L.E. two days ago: "This will go down in history as the most vile/illegal thing a POTUS has ever done.." L.E. a day later (Jan 6 th): "Remember what I said yesterday? Nevermind."
@@Sip_Dhiti didnt know that. I just called it ball pit day after the infamous dashcon ball pit since Dashcon too had organizers asking for massive donations from people for promises not kept, lofty goals that fell flat, and culminated in a massive facepalm moment on everyone who took it seriously. (also the organizers of Dashcon might have been scamming their attendees but I don't know for sure so I'm not gonna say for sure. But some folk online think they did)
There is a great sound bite from Senator Susan Collins from Maine saying when he got impeached last year he "learned his lesson". Oh the irony is too much!
@George Dent The fact that you have a United States Senator purposely treating a sitting United States President as a young child who just got a lecture about something and saying to them "Well I hope you learned a lesson". This guy is supposedly surrounded by the "best and brightest", and had every benefit from both phone calls to have someone say to him: "maybe you should rephrase what you are saying...". I am dumbfounded by it all.
Oh, he learned a lesson, all right! He learned that he can do whatever he wants, and the Senate will let him get away with it! That's why he figures it's ok to keep doing it!
Whenever I think of Trump saying “recalculate the ballots” I think of the Office where Michael says redo the numbers and the guy just presses enter on the spreadsheet and the numbers stay the exact same
I think of those old windshield-mounted GPS units for cars. And then I think of Mayhem doing an impression of those. And then I laugh, because Mayhem is funny and Trump is a clown.
@@xograyce it's not that simple. When there is video evidence of pole watchers being told to evacuate, then containers of ballets being pulled out from under a table, you don't find that the lest suspicious?
@@MrAdamBrower Video evidence? You mean the one video at the State Farm Arena which shows standard ballot boxes that were handled in front of the public media earlier that day, no act of hiding anything, no orders to clear out of the room, etc.? In other words, video evidence that doesn't show any evidence of any of the claims of fraud made by Trump and his team? Or is there an actual bit of video evidence somewhere that I haven't heard of?
I just want to say, with full knowledge that you are unlikely to ever read this, that as an ex-lawyer (in a different jurisdiction) who did a lot of speaking at conferences etc on things I had subject matter expertise around, you are one impressive bloke. The way you break down complex issues, make them accessible and have such a clear narrative in your presentation is a reflection of not only a keen intellect but a level of communication skill that I don't think I could ever attain. I know you have production support etc etc, but mate, I admire your mind, your skill and your disposition. I'd love to buy you a beer if you ever get to Australia. Please keep it up. You are doing something that I believe is very important.
You know you've truly learnt and understood something when you can manage to 'dumb dumb' it down to a level of understand for other people. When you can teach and explain something. It's one thing to know something, but it's another to be able to explain it to another person.
Awesome comment Karl. Nice to see a professional opinion. You’re right about his presentation skills too. If you want to understand what’s going on legally, this is a great start. Other than law school 😉
@@haroerhaktak2613 one of my tech teachers always said that if you want to really test your knowledge on something, try to explain it to someone who knows nothing about it.
If the intent of the call was to incriminate him, yes, but this was a President of his own party. His intent was to answer questions to protect Georgia and himself.
He’s a Republican, he wouldn’t do anything confrontational towards a fellow party member, as that would harm his own career and that matters more than the future of the country 🙄
He did the opposite of what you accuse him of. In an over one hour long call he listed irregularities, both parties had their lawyers on hold, it was not a private call, and the media all all people dismiss the context in which Trump said it. Hundreds of thousands of false votes, dead, illigals, and simple fraudulent ballots without a person behind it. All Trump needs are 11 thousand, and he can show that more were illigitimate. The RINO said there was a check and it's all green, no fraud there. Why should you believe that a investigation was conducted, without seeing it? As the president he definitely has the right to do so. Trump rightly wants and investigation, and if one was conducted, was the RINO assures him, he wants to see it, which the RINO declines. All the Dems und RINOs have to do, is show that there was no fraud by investigating it. They will not. They can not. Because the result would show the fraud. That is the reason it is said that there is no evidence, all baseless, of anything and even questioning it is an affront. How dare the voters accuse us of cheating? Did they not respect their elected officials? Now, they will hunt down all the supporters, because they dared to show that the congress is naked.
"I heard rumors that the wallet in your pocket is actually mine. Everyone is saying you stole. I am notifying you that you stole my wallet. I only need you to hand me $11,780 or it will be very bad for you."
I don't think your calculator is defective. You're probably using an adult calculator. Trump's calculator was made for toddlers, With "a lot" of big, colorful, buttons.
@@isylvia if you truly believe there’s fraud then it’s not fraud because nothing is being made up or falsified. He didn’t say make up votes or create them. He said…. Find them because he thinks they exist just not being counted.
He also specifically stated the exact number of votes that needed to be found and he didn't care how they did it. They could call it a mistake, or whatever. Then corrected himself by saying "If it was a mistake". He used very specific language in this conversation and veiled it with faux-ignorance to the statements at hand.@@J.C.3
Yeah politicians being ignorant about basic technology and science is common because most of them have humanities degrees not defending trump but 95% of politicians have no idea what is software and hardware or the difference between a virus and a bacteria
swear to god! and ryan german actually looks like jim, so the whole hour tape, i was imagining him looking directly into the camera with that 'are you f*king kidding me?' face.
@@15markav15 Biden is in much better health than Trump, who is morbidly obese, does no exercise, and lives on a diet of fast food because he is paranoid about being poisoned. Harris can win the 2024 election on her own merits.
Most Americans voted for Trump. The only votes Biden got came from blm, antifa, and China. If you love communism so much, then move. Leave our republic alone.
He literally yells over one of the lawyers on *his* side of the call when she tries to talk about finding more votes than he needs and angrily repeats that he only needs the 11k number. His intent couldn't be clearer.
"The president went down to Georgia, was looking for an election to steal. He was in a bind 'cause he was way behind And he was willin' to make a deal… "
"He said, 'My name's Donny, and it might be a sin; I'll make a bet: you're gonna regret it, if you don't let me win.' Donny, loosen up your phone and play that Twitter hard, cause hell's broke loose in Georgia, Raffensperger holds the cards. Now, if you win you get a shiny tower made of gold, but if you lose, the emperor has no clothes!" 🎻🎶
@@gwillis01 😅 thanks! Credit to OP for inspiring me. I'm a fiddle player so I know the song inside and out, haha! I would bother to do the whole song, but I would guess about 60% of the band would not be on board with that (whenever we get to performing again), and most venues we play wouldn't be very appreciative either! Country music, SMH 😂🤠 Maybe I can get the family band together and it'll be a RU-vid video this spring... 🤔 I'll throw it in with my other song idea, "The Year We Stole The Election", which explains the whole "plot" using references to as many crazy conspiracies and wild accusations that I can find.
To me, he sounds like a malignant narcissist who genuinely can't believe that he lost. The opposition *must* have cheated. After all, that's what he would (and tried to) do.
Yes. For a far more common example, look at cheaters in a relationship. They'll often accuse their partner of cheating just to validate what they themselves are doing or have done .
I think it also has to do with his background, he isn't a politician, he is a business man. In business the worst thing is losing, so he is grasping at all the straws he can to not lose.
Right-wingers: "LOL, are you scared? He was just giving you a compliment and expressing concern about BLM's terrorist threat. It's why we're offering you protection. No, no, no don't worry about paying us for it - it's on the house. Maybe one day you can do us a favor. Or it might be tomorrow. Or sometime tonight. You just never know."
You are right. This IS the mafia way of handling things. The only real difference between the T**** family and the Mob is that the Mob is more efficient. We would probably be better off under the rule of the Mafia than these clowns. It would be no more immoral. There just isn't any where lower to sink.
@@DeosPraetorian That and during 2012 he also claimed Mitt Romney was defrauded of the presidency in the past 20 years he also had allot to say about Bush v Gore, where the election was rigged in favor of bush. . . REALLY MAKES YOU THINK DUNNIT?!
This suggests that Trump (a) cheats and lies the way other people breathe, so of course he assumes that everybody else is doing it, too. (b) is an excellent weather vane and as such knew that he'd lose, so he prepared the ground (c) both of the above, plus some other weird mental acrobatics which I don't even want to understand.
How come when a millionaire commits a crime, the system wants to know if they intentionally broke the law or if it was unintentional, but if I break a law, no one in the system cares if it was intentional or not. Ignorance should not protect some people while other groups of people are punished automatically. It encourages inequality and is extremely unjust in my opinion.
The sad truth of society for as long as written history, those with power have the power to do whatever they want with almost zero setback to them. Such as the saying "rules for thee, and not for me". This is the problem ever thinking that those who are wealthy will be punished under most current systems because they are doing what they can to "convince" other to letting them off the hook while those who don't have wealth aren't capable of lobbying... I mean bribing... people in charge. To change these things we would also have to change society into not worshiping wealth and bowing down to those with it.
"I like Trump because he means what he says" - Trump supporters "Everything he said was takem out of context, he didn't mean any of that" - also Trump supporters
I love the Republicans who defend Trump saying "he did everything he promised to do". O rly? Where's that 3000-mile wall on our 1200-mile border with Mexico that we were promised? ;^)
They should have impeached him over this call. Instead they made it all about the capitol riot, which while terrible, was mostly actions carried out by other people and was never going to work. This entire conversation was Trump himself, no chance of pointing the finger at anybody else, you could hear his voice on the phone. Such a wasted opportunity, but congress felt more personally attacked by the capital riot so thats all they cared about after. Now we get to have Trump run for office again.
My favorite part of this tantrum from trump to his supporters is how much of their rhetoric was "TRUMP 2020 MAKE LIBERALS CRY AGAIN🤣" From things like this to the attack on Capitol hill today. So often they are guilty of the things they accuse others of.
I read a comment section about this phone call a couple days ago, where a lady claimed to have heard the full hour long phone call, and heard no threats in there. Clearly some people are just incapable of understanding subtext
I know your comment is 3 months old, but I think you’re entirely wrong. Most everyone with half a brain understands subtext. I know expecting many Trump supporters to have half a brain is asking a lot but many of them do. It’s not that they don’t get it, it’s that they entirely AGREE with Trump. They’re entirely okay with using mafia tactics to get the people they want in office. Just like any good member of a criminal investigation they’re more than willing to toe the line and keep quiet. Basically, it’s just entirely malicious.
It’s like he didn’t hear or care that they counted every ballot by hand twice in addition to what the dominion machines counted. Unsurprising: the machines were accurate.
I have heard such ramblings from people who have been diagnosed some mental illness like schizophrenia... It is really disturbing that such person even got to be a president of any country... He seems delusional and fixated on something. Normally I see people experiencing episodes of such magnitude and severe cases put into mental health institutes for some time to sort the things out.
It is worth it, to hear how he rejects corrections, or later in the call acts as though the correction was not made. His delusion re Dominion is stunning. Also the talk about votes under the table, given that the Georgia people have already given him the entire video proving BS
@@phoenixfire8978 Washington Post has it. Both the transcript and the recording (because lawyers were in on the call). I believe a number of other sources now have it as well.
The point where he says, "I just need 11,000. Give me a break." That's what we call "bargaining". If he thinks he won by hundreds of thousands, he should want those hundreds of thousands. But he just wants enough to win. State of Mind: he knows he's telling them to cheat for him. He's doing it the same way he tries to convince a bank to float him one more loan.
@@monkusgamer3460 ... That's still not how you would phrase it if you sincerely and good faith thought that the votes have been miscounted. You would never, ever, ever in good faith ask for a specific number of votes. You would only ever ask for a recount.
@@FriedrichHerschel Republicans senators are slowly turning their back on him or at least pretending to. I suspect the next few months will be quite entertaining.
The guy's name is "Germany" which is just insanely weird to me. Like, I thought it was gonna be antisemitic or something, but I guess it just makes him think of white people (thinking charitably)?
If we look aaaaallllllll the way back to the Mueller investigations we'll remember how Trump's legal team wouldn't allow him to be interviewed because he was incapable of NOT committing perjury. Then Mueller had to agree to all kinds of different things to not talk about when he finally did interview Trump. After all that Mueller STILL found criminal wrongdoing and literally said he would be able to arrest him if he wasn't a sitting president.
It's an ironclad rebuttal seen most expertly deployed on local news pages on Facebook in the comment section: "I'm not actually making an argument, I'm just asking questions!"
It worked before. Remeber that rich kid who ran over all those people and said he was too rich to understand what he did was wrong? Then got away with it and try to run to mexico?
I laughed at it because it felt like that classic Trevor Noah bit "I think I'm gonna die, but I KNOW I'm gonna laugh." Just a ridiculous bit in the middle of something horrific. But then someone else in the comments pointed out it's almost certainly a race thing....
Ryan's last name is Germany. Trump believes (or pretends he believes) that he is from 'aryan' German heritage. He often claims his father was born in Germany (not true; Fred Trump was born in The Bronx). The thing is, Trump is only thinking of a, uh...very specific historical era when he claims he loves Germany. He is utterly opposed to most of what Germany has stood for for decades, and the great majority of Germans either dislike or outright loathe him.
Well, as soon as he's out of office he loses the whole "The FBI doesn't indict sitting Presidents" cover that kept Mueller off of his flabby, pock-marked ass. Unfortunately, there are only so many life sentences an unhealthy 74 year old can serve...
I remember watching this when it came out and thinking the situation couldn't get any more overtly anti-democracy. This video, which dropped on January 5th 2021.
It took me 45 minutes to read that dribble. 66% of the conversation is Trump rambling unfounded conspiracy theories and the Georgia state counsel saying you're data/information is inaccurate.
The hell with them... they are at fault for creating this monster (or some of them anyways, not all)... where is OUR lifetime script of nerve meds, and our huge payout, for having been forced to suffer the loss of sanity and humanity under this fool!?! It is us that have taken on the damage of this wrecking ball!!!
While I think it would have been good to ask him that he'd surely assert that the results themselves are false and that they'd be making a correct, based on.... whatever his illogical logic was :P
I have a feeling that calling it "flipping the state" will damn him, because that makes it clear that he wants to change the result, not just find the votes.
If say, hypothetically, you loose an election, because the opponent cheated. Would you not, hypothetically, want this cheat to be investigated? How would it be if the cheat accused you of wanting to cheat and breaking the law, because you question the "legitimate result" of the election? All the dems have to do is do a proper investigation, and they can jail Trump. With an investigation, and Trumps claims, no support would be left for him. They are, however, unwilling to do so. Why? Instead they want to dispose of him with other means.
@@iwankazlow2268 The problem is they looked into it. What YOU want is an investigation where Trump stays POTUS until it comes back that he won. If they investigate for four years? And find no fraud? You will likely demand further investigation. Look at Benghazi.
Prosecutor: He committed this crime and it's on tape. Defense: He's too stupid and crazy to have really understood how illegal and inappropriate his requests actually were. Susan Collins: I like turtles!
Republicans didn't drag out Reagan for selling weapons to our enemies. Being stupid and crazy isn't par for the course - it's the standard for them. They want plausible deniability.
@@diobrando6910 The key is remembering that for the right, 'law and order' does not mean even application of laws, but that laws should maintain their particular order, with everyone in their 'natural place'. All we are really seeing today is a return to not bothering with plausible deniability since open corruption is becoming not only fashionable but a sign of one's godliness.
So does he have them? Or is he still looking for them? The man isn't very straight forward Or maybe this is his way around words since he's a businessman.
I mean, Objection, I guess? The Atlanta Journal-Constitution obtained the recording first through an expert FOIA request. Give props to our local journalists, please.
"But have they removed any of the inner parts, and replaced them with other parts?" ... "No" 😂😂😂 It's just so absurd - even Larry David couldn't make this funnier
@@joermnyc He also subscribes to the "if a lie is repeated a thousand times, it becomes the truth" school of thought. And he seems to be very impatient.
@@arrow1414 I'm sure there are laws regarding the preservation of the memory cards and paper ballots for a certain period of time and that hasn't expired yet.
If an average citizen had made that same phone call no one would be questioning whether or not a law had been broken. It would have been straight to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $600 dollars.
"I'm sure you're a good lawyer, you have a nice last name." - Wow. This is the kind of 'sly' racism you expect from someone with a white robe and hood in their closet.
wait, whaddya mean? he said that because he is german, or of german heritage, and the guys last name was German, right? like literally the word "German" .. Now i thought the lawyer had a jewish last name, was my first thought, but then when i heard it was german i think this is why
did you listen to the whole talk, because the context is actually not voter fraud, it is trump, whom believes he has won, and says he has proof, which bill barr presented in court, which was very convincing may i add, and trump was saying, i know i won by hundreds of thousands, i know what your doing is criminal, and you need to at least investigate into this, when the secretary of state in Georgia did not even look into this, and then trump adds the 11,000 quote and that is him saying that since i know i won, just at least give me the number to win since i already did and that would be right, but you can have a low number if you want, i won, give me my victory, and i can prove it. that is what trump was saying
@@JasonReagan84 I mean we know why he's fighting for it. He is an insecure pathetic ego driven disgrace of a conman and the office of president lets him line his pockets and Congress has given him a pass on all his depravity, corruption and ineptitude because he put an (R) next to his name.
When he was looking for votes that never existed. For some reason that reminds me of Hitler on his last days, giving orders and moving imaginary armies on a map. Pure despair and delusion.
Even after he leaves, he isn't going anywhere. He's going to remain in the public spotlight right up until the 2024 campaign trail where we'll have to go through this shit all over again. If the stars align, maybe he'll be tried and incarcerated but I'm not optimistic.
@@NorthForkFisherman , You don't want that. That's the easy way out. He needs to sit there in a cell for enough years to see what it's like without being able to casually fly around in his gold plated personal jet, Air Force One, Marine One, etc.
@@jacobjorgenson9285 Wow, he has family that are Jewish, that 100% makes him inculpable of being anti-Semitic right? There are people who are married to minorities and are still racist, it should follow that people can be related to Jewish people and still hate them. This line of argument does not in any way invalidate previously made comments by the other posters.
You're channel has, in the past few months, become one of the most important channels on this platform. You bring a no-nonsense perspective of the law down onto someone who has no respect for the rule of law, and I appreciate the fact that I can look to your channel for thoughts on this. Thanks for being willing to share your educated point-of-view on these complex topics.
i love my Chromecast so much! It totally changed how I setup my house. I used to have a PC for my TV but not anymore! It does seem that most everyone I talk to follows the American news more than people who live there.
@@squishysquoosh9850 put yourself in their shoes. Wouldnt it be the most entertaining thing available? Its got me on edge on an almost existential level. Since the u.s. is so influential, a lot of other countries are feeling the same (though maybe less intense)
I’m dumb as shit and wasn’t aware of what was going on is a totally valid defense to conspiracy charges. I had a woman picked up by her bf to fly to Vegas for his 30th (actually 38th) birthday. He arrives at her house. She tosses her bag into his car. They drive towards O’Hare airport. Car pulled over within 2 minutes of pulling away from her house. Turns out the car was stolen, how was she to know. As a matter of fact she had been in the same car a week earlier when he got a ticket. Secondly they search his bag and find two types of controlled substances... she gets charged with poss w/ intent. We got the charges dropped at motion to dismiss.... basis my client was to dumb to be co conspirating with her bf. Case dismissed.
If people let this go because he "honestly believes" he won then we're outright stating that being a malignant, narcissistic, affluenza addled trust fund baby is a get out of jail free card.
To me the most striking and threatening part of the call is "are you sure, Ryan?". This doesn't come across to me as a request for confirmation, but rather an attempt at forcing the subtext. Picture an exchange like "did you see me just kill that guy?" "Yeah, I did", "you sure about that, Ryan?"
To a guy maned "German". This is either: A) A closet white supremacist trying to reference Nazi Germany. B) A closet national supremacist trying to reference a foreign power. C) A super creepy, completely socially and emotionally inept attempt to actually complement a guy. D) Some combination of the above. What a guy.
I'm not american, nor is English my first language, but is mr Trump hinting at the name being jewish? If so, impressively stupid. Edit: I'll leave it here, but I probably got this wrong entirely. The text says it's a phone call with Brad Raffensperger, but he clearly addresses a "Ryan".
Just came back to watch this video again. While this was/is a disturbingly blatant case of fraud and abuse of power, it's, in my opinion, the equivalent of jaywalking compared to the crimes that occurred _the _*_day after_*_ this video was released!_ (the description lists this video as being posted January 05, 2021)
I mean, if he didn't get screwed over the first time, why not try again, right? It's like in retail, where customers who act like total assholes get what they want from the managers, so they come back another day and act like assholes again. Karens are a product of managers allowing Karens to profit, and Trump is just a big orange Karen in a big white house.
Exactly this. I was having a discussion with a friend of mine earlier who said, "Why don't they just impeach him?" and I wondered out loud, "Is that even possible? He's already impeached, I don't know if it's possible to impeach somebody twice. This has never happened before, if presidents had been impeached in the past they'd think "Ah crap I got impeached, better be on my best behaviour" but what Trump thought was "Hey, I got away with it, great!".
Of course. No consequences to his last perfect phone call. He was given the green flag to do whatever he wants. He can sort any prosecutions later though intimidation.
@@IceMetalPunk Trump's a narcissist, if you don't go down hard on a Narcissist when they break the law? They see Forgiveness as 'weakness' as 'opportunism'.
When trump asks if they know anything about dominion moving machines and Ryan Germany says "no", you can just see him burying his face in his hands and rolling his eyes as he says that
@@geo-fry6372 yeah, you know who doesn't miss Bush? Hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians. As awful as trump is, he's still not a mass murderer on that scale
Yeah, it's amazing how he made it to where comments/objections could be only mailed to BLM Alaska around the the Thanksgiving/Black Friday period, and that the bids were submitted by 12/30. I wouldn't have known anything if Sierra Club hadn't notified me. Something that high stakes shouldn't happen as a back room deal. 🤬 Hopefully, Deb Haaland will get that mess reversed.
"Yes, I listened to the entire hour long call" Can... can we call someone for you? I have a bottle of scotch and a thick blanket, if that'll help. Do we need to get the Therapy Dogs? We need to get the Therapy Dogs.
I know I don't have a cool channel dissecting the legal ramifications of letting little kids tour an unsafe candy factory run by indentured servants ... but I listened to that tape, and a therapy dog - yes, please. So much. In a pinch, I'd also take a Therapy Chris Hemsworth.
@@Julia-lk8jn I'm sorry - the Therapy Chris Hemsworth is booked up 17 months in advance - would a Therapy Chris Pratt be acceptable? There's only a 3 week wait.
I'd like a Therapy Dog please, with ketchup, mayo, and sauteed onions. Oh -- and if you happen to have a nice cold Therapy Beer to spare, that would be nice too.
@@FCB_SC I've always considered him to swing between moments of surprising cleverness, and moments where a literal five-year-old child could come up with better words or policy. The man is going to remain one of those interesting kinds of bad for some time.
Remember when people were saying Trump cheated for 3 years straight, and even had a full-blown FBI investigation. But when Trump wants a recount "Oh no, He's Destroying our democracy." This is false in two ways, one the claim is just wrong, and two, we have a republic, not a democracy.
@@awesomeblaze2640 Georgia had 2 recounts (even stated in the tapes). They have looked into Trumps allegations and found no proof of election fraud. You can’t over look him trying to abuse his power. It’s dangerous even Republicans are seeing that. Their politicians. Look up both sides of the story and take everything they say with a grain of salt. Trump has a huge record of lying as well you can’t over look everything he lied about. If he’s willing to lie about other things why not this?
@@awesomeblaze2640he did cheat; look at the hush money paid to his mistresses =P. The US is a (constitutional) republic AND a (representative) democracy. It’s asinine to play word games around that.
Lol! I dont know if those scandals were any more innocent, but they sure as hell were more competent! Back when the president wasnt such a stark raving narcissist...
Despite ALL of the election fraud claims, even videos of fraud. But the courts won't hear any of it. I want to mark January 20 as the day the U.S. died. Joe Biden will destroy this country.
did you listen to the whole talk, because the context is actually not voter fraud, it is trump, whom believes he has won, and says he has proof, which bill barr presented in court, which was very convincing may i add, and trump was saying, i know i won by hundreds of thousands, i know what your doing is criminal, and you need to at least investigate into this, when the secretary of state in Georgia did not even look into this, and then trump adds the 11,000 quote and that is him saying that since i know i won, just at least give me the number to win since i already did and that would be right, but you can have a low number if you want, i won, give me my victory, and i can prove it. that is what trump was saying
@@cynthiamontgomery1192 Fun fact somebody can do something for multiple reasons. Devin listened to the phone call for his own understanding of the situation, and to inform his viewers on this channel what his main takeaways are and what he thinks is important .
@@learnerofsuntzu9325 did you listen to the whole talk, because the context is actually voter fraud, it is trump, whom believes he has won, and says he has proof, which bill barr presented in court, which was very stupid may i add, and trump was saying, i know i won by hundreds of thousands, i know what your doing is criminal, and you need to at least investigate into this, when the secretary of state in Georgia did not even look into this, and then trump adds the 11,000 quote and that is him saying that since i know i won, just at least give me the number to win since i already did and that would be right, but you can have a low number if you want, i won, give me my victory, and i can prove it. that is what trump was saying even though he is wrong
My apologies, I totally misread your post. I agree with you, I lasted about 20 minutes on the call. I can't stand listening to that orange fool spewing his lies.
The "Honest belief" defence is so dumb. Can I just say I honestly believe your wallet is actually my wallet, and that's why I'm stealing it from you? And that is gonna be OK, right? My god what the hell is even happening.
In principle, perhaps! Imagine you misplace your wallet, and momentarily think it stolen. You see someone walking away from you, exactly the same model of wallet in their hands. You pursue and take it from their hands. Especially insofar as you return it to them immediately after realising your mistake, no crime has likely taken place.
@@johannesmajamaki2626 I wonder if that woman who assaulted that teen in New York over his iPhone that she claimed was her missing phone (which turned out she left inside an Uber) will use that defense.
@@johannesmajamaki2626 just because it's a thing you believe doesnt necessarily justify your actions. At least in the case of a mistaken wallet, physically taking it from someone is much different then asking them if that's your wallet