Why does Imane Khelif not FIRST sue the International Boxing Association (IBA) for saying that the sex test results confirmed that Imane Khelif was male and demand that they publicize the result if they disputed the results?
@pemberton6974 how do you know it doesn't exist? What we do know is that both boxers had an opportunity to appeal their ban by the IBA to the Court of Arbitration for Sports, neither chose to do so. We also know that the only requirement for the ioc's own boxing regulator is female stamped in a passport. It's easy to put this to rest by taking a test. That as far as I'm concerned speaks volumes.
@@minkleymcmoo5248 Really? It’s been reported by several different sources that Khalif is an XY person, and yet the MSM still reports that he is being abused and harassed. Joe Biden is another example of the media placating and encouraging the lies going on to keep his dementia from becoming public. You can argue that “news reporters” are just reading whats on the teleprompter, but they are supposed to be journalists with a code of ethics. So far in both these instances there is no ethics to be seen anywhere from any of them.
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@@minkleymcmoo5248 Khelif was banned from the world championships last year because she FAILED the genetic test and teh hormone test. That's all the evidence the IBA needed.
I would think both Musk and Rowling are saying "Bring it on!" Maybe they'll bring up a truly puzzling mystery ; why has NO woman who has transitioned to a man ever entered a male sports competition-they were noticibly absent in the mens events at Paris, gave Wimbledon a miss,aren't in any football or rugby teams v other male teams....
@@raycorrigan3297maybe Imane is a poor fighter, but punching someone repeatedly in the face isn’t good boxing, and who are these people ? Not transgender but possibly intersex and male dominant like the African runner who they banned.
Bird Brain, this is how it works. If you are accused of defaming someone, your only defense is to prove to the judge that what you said about that person is true! Good luck to Musk, Rowling and the many racist haters such as you, who claim that Khelif is transgender or that she is a man pretending to be a woman is real and true! You, the haters and the losers, prepare to be slammed by the French justice system, where you will be exposed for the racist haters that you are!
The extreme flippancy of the IOC on this issue is appalling. They’ve banned certain swimsuits and disqualify proper for being 500g over weight, but they allow a Y chromosome person with male-level testosterone to box women. This is unbelievably dangerous, and will eventually completely destroy women’s sports if the policies aren’t changed.
100g overweight. The wrestler from India was disqualified for being 100g overweight, which is the equivalent of sis slices of a tangerine. Because weight classes are sacrosanct, sex categories not so much according to the IC.
Especially when you understand that male testosterone levels fall between 265-923 ng/dl, while females fall between 15-70. For reference, a male taking steroids is usually 1000-2000 ng/dl. That is, if steroids are cheating because they give you an unfair advantage as a performance enhancing drug, then xy chromosomes boxing women is literally somewhere between 2 and 30 x the advantage of taking steroids.
There are so many women only scholarships outside sports , and most orgs ban trans athletes now . What Imane has is dsd. Which is a super rare disorder. They hv enough opportunities So stop acting like u care just to spite .
They are entirely incapable of self-reflection. This Algerian male boxer probably has no idea how bad he looks to 99.9% of the world's population who have not been indoctrinated into the cult of gender ideology.
Trouble is with this case. I believe that if it does go to court it could be more harmful to them than anybody. Because if it's proved that the XY chromosomes exist, their medals should get stripped. I think I can see a massive backfire coming
If the case relates to 'cyber bullying' then the complainant's gender has absolutely nothing to do with it. You can bully somebody over something that's true (if indeed what they've said is true - I don't use that cesspit of a platform, so I have no idea) quite easily.
There's a lot of talk about intersex, which muddies the waters with no evidence whatsoever that it even applies to this case. A discussion of intersex is a valid topic in general. Maybe those people are stronger than women, but weaker than men and deserve their own category (may be too small of a group). If we are going to have that discussion I think we need to talk about Atrazine and the elitist ruling class' depopulation agenda.
I had a bad feeling to the Olympics and for that I avoided it all costs completely and grateful to myself for doing so. I refuse to watch all TV and have done for 2 years plus and only seek true info from genuine people who believe that facts and truth matters.
@Ray_of_Light62 _I stopped watching the Olympics..._ I stopped watching the Olympics in 1972 when the IOC condoned the murder of the Israeli athletes by terrorists.
I've never watched.. in fact I've never watched any sports.. because I don't care about, nor have any interest in them. Well, I used to be into archery, until all the rules began to allow for sighting, high tech stuff. Archery competitions should be only basic bows, no high tech crap
I can't stop laughing at all the crybaby 'whaa whaa I get told they made fun of something and I can't think on my own so I follow their crying whaa whaaa' Seriously, no one cares about your hurt feelings.
These are literally the best and most succinct 2 comments I have read. It's a clown show, with no one having jurisdiction. Have a second popcorn popper on standby.
I'm a six foot two 210 pound male that feels discriminated because I am not allowed to compete in the UFC featherweight division. My height and weight are natural, I was born this way. Why am I not allowed to pound 60kg men into the floor? I'm suing Dana White!!!
@@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn yep…The obvious has become a “hate campaign”. Idiocy rules the day. Whatever higher power there is, he/she/they, must be dying laughing…
There are weight classes in womens and mens boxing so she wasnt allowed to pound featherweights either. Also when she was in the 2020 olympics and got beaten no one gave a toss
@@cmctavish1970 You don't say? And why is that? Also why are there female and male divisions in almost every sport? Once you've figured that out and once you realize testicles being internal or external gives the same advantage when it comes to competitive sports you can write your reply.
Agreed. The point about categories within sport is to provide a level playing field. If the boxing authorities used a chromosome test to exclude the boxers from competing in women's categories, that isn't discrimination, it is just the way all sport works. Even if the IOC is trying to avoid discrimination, there are better ways to determine gender than the passport!
Well, the facts aren't being allowed to speak at all. They're being hidden with a "we did a test but we won't say which one or the actual results but trust us we totally did it" and it's a single Russian person who decided to do it and they ignored normal policies for this. This also happened after a undefeated Russian was beaten by this boxer so that Russian is still undefeated.
He just explained in previous videos that nowhere not even the US, there is an absolute protection for 'free speech'. Like, inciting imminent lawless action for instance. But hey, keep repeating what you been told, I'm sure it makes you feel better.
@@MarvinWestmaasWell, Elon lives in the US and what Elon said DOES FALL UNDER FREEDOM OF SPEECH, mate! The UK, on the other hand, doesn’t grant citizens the protection of the US CONSTITUTION. You come off as a know it all who knows enough to be laughable! Filing a lawsuit is a slippery slope because the emperor may indeed be wearing no clothes! Just because his passport may say he is female, doesn’t mean he is a biological female! 🤣😂🤣😂Yes, I SAID HE!!
I'm quite confident this travesty of a criminal case (ffs !) will kick Yazooof...in the balls. Public opinion is...well, public and can be a harsh mistress. He gotta man up and take it
Isnt it a funny coincidence (NOT) that BOTH boxers that were banned by the World boxing association won golds? The notion that a passport is in any way relevant is absurd as I stated a fortnight ago.
Although I get what you are saying, they have been around for years and were pretty middle of the card until world championship. Also as a general rule if IBA want to be taken seriously again you should publish the results, the fact they haven't is a bit suspect. Part of the reason they are banned from Olympics is lack of transparency and corruption. Maybe they do have XY chromosomes but IOC shouldn't just be taken their word for it, and if the information they were given doesn't meet their standards then you don't accept it. IOC will be doing testosterone tests, if they fail that then they will be disqualified. But people are jumping to conclusions without even knowing what test they failed.
@@abergreg Which we have no idea if the IBA did that seeing as they haven't even said what test they failed except they failed a test. I am happy to be shown to be wrong, but I don't just accept what someone tells me without proof.
This boxer was banned by the WBBC at the world championships last year ! The problem lies with the IOPC who wen't woke and discarded the WBC advice . He/ she will be lucky to win a case against Musk or Rowling.
You don't think it has anything to do with them having over 200m followers on X between them? Far more people read their posts than read YOUR posts, for example. They are far more likely to create a domino effect of cyberbullying than you.
Women testosterone: 30 - 70 ng/dL For men: 300 - 1.000 ng/dL. It's a clear gap, and if a woman has more, it could be a dangerous tumor. If a woman has male levels, it's unfair, regardless of chromosomes, but high testosterone plus xy chromosomes imo should be enough, to not let a person compete against women...
Yup. Sounds like many serious competitive sports use such physiological markers for qualification. Meanwhile the Olympics’ is about as sophisticated as a beer league. Derek from More Plates More Dates has many hours of content analyzing how other sporting events manage these tests. In comparison the Olympics is a joke.
Her testosterone levels are normal for a woman boxer - she was tested for testosterone levels. Why do you lot of pond scum persist in persecuting people with your false allegations just to make yourselves happy that your perceptions of the world are true?
Well if Imane has over 70ng/DL with the urine test she HAS to take now with winning a gold she will get disqualified in the next week. If she doesn't get DQ'd then we know she's good and in the ranges.
@@nijjijjion204 It doesn't matter if he can manage to bring down his testosterone levels, he still has XY chromosomes and testis, and went through male, not female, puberty. He should compete against other males, not females.
I watched a swimming event (not the Olympics) where all the women withdrew moments before their race rather than swim with a male. It made the event irrelevant.
@@chimpana Simple solution: DNA evidence has to be present for Olympic events. Not the gender (male/female) stated on the person's passport. Our species has only 2 genders/2 sexes XX = Female XY = Male One is born either XX or XY No matter how many hormones taken or how many body bits are added or subtracted; one is either XX or XY.[1] _____________________ 1.) Even people afflicted with hermaphroditism are either "XX" or "XY". Hermaphroditism either adds/subtracts (sometimes both) physical sexual characteristics. He mentioned the condition "Swyer syndrome"[2] In this day and age, the situation can be remedied by surgery after the DNA (xx/xy) of the individual is determined If trans people compete, they have to have their own categories = XX competing as men XY competing as women. I do not think that there will be much of a demand by the public to watch either: XX competing as men XY competing as women. Perhaps they should have their own Olympics; like the "Olympics" for people with mental and physical disabilities have ("Special Olympics" it used to be called) 2.) *Swyer syndrome* aka: "XY gonadal dysgenesis" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
@@ArjayMartin a ultrasound scan would also very quickly prove the matter one way or another wouldn’t it - no female reproductive organs (ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, vagina, inner and outer labia for example , or imaging showing all the usual male internal reproductive organs plus outer genitalia that didn’t develop as typical, with no or micro penis and internal testes.
More like imagine someone storming in to bank, pointing at a random person there and yelling “ They are robbing the bank!”. And then crying when eventually police come and see that there indeed not one thing got stolen.
"Everyone has the right to compete without discrimination" ... I'd say that the female boxers, who have trained for their entire adult lives feel pretty discriminated against.
So, I wonder why none of the other female boxers are filing suits against Imane? including the Italian boxer who walked off and later apologised.... Seems to me that if the other female boxers recognise her as a woman, then you don't have much of a leg to stand on....
1. The official statement of the IBA they released during the Olympics never mentions 'XY' just that a 'specific test' was done. Neither did they share this test result. 2. The IBA only decided to do this test after their beloved *ORC* boxer lost her undefeated status against Imane. 3. The fact Imane did not see an appeal through does in no way give merit to the statement of the IBA, considering Imane and many others are already leaving the *ORC* mob run and kremlin tied IBA for World Boxing. 4. These kremlin ties are certainly part of why the IBA on purpose wanted to cause civil unrest and feed tension with far right 'viewpoints', not only does this lower our trust in government it also makes governments less stable and more influential by kremlin allies. 5. The real issue is here is communication from the IOC. They try to hide behind stating they the IOC only checks gender through official documentation when they have much better avenues of approach for instance referencing Caster Semenya. This female sprinter, produced excessive amounts of male hormones. Semenya run into doping accusations, this is how they found out her condition. The IOC would allow her to compete, if she took testosterone blockers. This on the basis that she would have an unfair advantage otherwise. She didn't want to comply, and appealed the IOC's ruling at the CAS. CAS decided the IOC was in their rights. Not only does this show the IOC tests on aspects giving a not allowed advantage. Like having a to high testosterone level. Since we don't hear her being accused of this, never in her 8 years of boxing, the IOC should have pointed out that Imane didn't have any performance enhancing markers in their own testing, instead of making a statement which makes it look like IOC 'only looks at a passport'.
Except she was born female! How much convincing do you need? Her father brought out her birth certificate, in a country where being gay is a crime, and you still hod to your delusions. Also, defamation isn't "being mean", claiming you are a steroid-adled cheater olympian when you aren't is defamation
The elitist ruling class are working on it, one set of rules for them and one set for the other 8 billion of us!! Shiva4President (add appropriate website suffix to learn more).
The complete lack of a scientific approach to the issue of segregation of male and female competitors in sport astounds me. To base these decisions on paperwork like birth certificates and passports risks putting males and females against each other in physical competition, which is neither ethical, nor, in many instances, safe.
@@louisavondart9178 The Italian boxer stopped the fight at 46 seconds because she said she had never been hit like that before. That is because Imane has the upper body strength of a man.
Bollox, you all set a stupid criteria as to what makes a woman a woman and said it was obvious. She fits that definition completely. If there are only 2 genders, she is a woman by every metric. Reality bites.
well perhaps he isn't getting the sponsorship so many Olympiads receive and needs to make the money in other ways, like a court case for damages? Its just seems so very sad.
If Imane went through male puberty? Men have more muscle mass, especially in the upper body. It gives men 157% more strength ( I read that on google). If the Olympics would allow transwomen to participate, I would ask where are the transmen participants ( hypothetically).
I am old enough to remember the cycle of jokes every four years about the East German female athletes. One was how they could have gotten rich endorsing mens razors.
what including the ones that beat her? is that how it goes now? if someone loses no one cares but if they win and they aren't white we want to find a reason to stop them
Why do you dislike someone you do not even know? If I understood your message correctly, you channel your feelings based on "Hear Say" or prejudice, only you know the answer?
@@mabrouk642 Boxing is pairing people who have equal abilities, you do not put a fly weight in with a a heavy weight. The way this person won is not normal and has some kind of advantage which makes for dislike.
This is nothing to do with gender, it's purely to do with sex characteristics and sporting eligibility. I really hope she wins her case because of the vile and ignorant rhetoric from these two individuals. I would also criticise BB for suggesting intersex people are flawed and defective. They are not.
@@mabrouk642 Khelif has failed a "Gender Test" by one particular Boxing Organisation. Allegedly because she had increased levels of testosterone, or at least testosterone levels higher than you'd expect to find in a biological, XX chromosome woman. Higher levels of testosterone will give someone greater muscle mass, higher bone density, a larger heart, larger hands, larger lungs, and fast twitch muscle action amongst other things. All of these are beneficial in a close contact sport like boxing, and would undoubtedly give an unfair advantage over female competitors. If Khelif is aware of this yet still chose to fight women then I'd say she is indeed a rather unlikeable person. All that would be needed to settle this entire debate would be for her to have a simple testosterone test, which she would then make public.
@@lindsaybelderson7735 You're right about confusion over "Trans" and "Intersex", however if she has raised testosterone levels to the range expected in an XY male then she should NOT compete against XX women.
@@kylereese4822 And? The athletes are tested at the start of the tournament, and the results take time to come back from the lab. Most disqualifications of this kind occur mid-tournament, for that very reason.
@@kylereese4822Imane's Sex Determination Test Result XY= MALE. Ambiguous Genitalia at birth saw a Female Birth Certificate issued. However at Puberty it would have been clear this was an error. Clearly gone through Male Puberty with all of the physical advantages that gives males.
not the way the 'equality of outcome' crowd see things. Perhaps we should ask the passengers on Boeing airliners about 'equality of outcome', assuming they survive the experience
A corporation complying with diversity inclusion and equallity standards benefits them in debates with councils & regulators. What you say is what sounds correct to you but is not what is asked from your government the companies to follow. Simple example of your dei is up you can be forgiven for other things t he at you are not that good and in the end for companies the end result is money. If you been scored up on abuse but scored up on dei you will be easier and you will make more money and have better voice in your local council than if you scored down on dei and score down on abuse. And will be heard less from local councils so more problems in the second situation than in the first. Unfortunately you can not blame the company. The only person you can blame is yourself because you allowed it to happen the last ten years. You allowed with your vote and your lack of involvement to politics. When you decided to be involved was too late (if you decided)
They are illegal in the EU and anyone who doesn't get a job despite being the best candidate has the right to sue. What the ratios are however is a useful tool to point out possible cases of discrimination. If a workplace has no female, black, gay, religious minority, senior or whatever else type of employee despite there being a reasonable supply of such candidates it absolutely should be grounds for an investigation into their hiring practices.
"Hate speech in the United States cannot be directly regulated by the government due to the fundamental right to freedom of speech protected by the Constitution. While "hate speech" is not a legal term in the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that most of what would qualify as hate speech in other western countries is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment. Supreme Court case, Matal v. Tam (2017)"
@@pimpernelsmith3798 That is a ridiculous premise, by your logic so should any male boxer be in prison for "assaulting" any other boxer in the male division that is trans or presenting male and has XX chromesones. But no one knows or cares about that because there is no gender testing in the male division. And no one cared about this 4 years ago when she was losing matches to other female boxers. Beyond that the entire sport itself is consented/permitted assault. It's what all participants sign up for.
@@susanseifert4472 Deal with reality, the female boxer should have grounds to sue as should all female sports participants encountering men hijacking their sports. That would include all the officials bodies that allow this travesty. How's that for logic WOKE lady?
In boxing there are also weight classes, so it would only make sense that the testosterone level would also be checked. It's not about discriminating against anyone. It's about ensuring a fair fight. The passport rule needs to be adjusted. In Germany, for example, you can change your gender once a year. Theoretically, a man could use this method to sneak into the women's class.
Problem with that is that the testosterone can affect different people differently. Some people are more or less unaffected by testosterone and might have high levels without having the benefits.
A male with the same weight and testosterone levels as a female is still significantly stronger than the female, especialy if they have gone through male puberty
Because the complaint is criminal and not civil; it is the state that would be paying the fees. In this case; France. The state may or may not drop the case long before requesting extradition. Due to reasons outlined in this video and prior videos; it is very unlikely that the request for extradition would ever be made.
Regardless of the current 'rules' regarding this matter. If a biological woman took testosterone injections throughout her entire teen years then stopped a year before attempting to compete in a sporting event she would be banned, probably for life for doping. Yet a biological male who has the testosterone naturally throughout their life can take 'blockers' for a few months and is then allowed to compete against biological women. The rules no longer make any sense when considered logically and this is the position of people like Rowling and Musk.
The problem is, the "gender testing" that they currently have, as far as I am aware, merely checks Testosterone levels... That is hardly an accurate indicator of gender, as evidenced by Imane who has a DSD disorder, which affects how people develop growing up (be it hormones, reproductive organs and even genitals). She is still a WOMAN. She was never born as a man and she never transitioned into being a woman because she already was one! She has a high Testosterone count because of this disorder, and is very butch and masculine as a result. She even looks boyish as a small child. You realise this is the same argument the radical trans activists spout, right? They say a Trans woman should be able to compete against biological women "if their Testosterone levels are low enough" - but we ALL know that sex/gender is so much more than hormones, for example, lung capacity and bone density. THAT is why it's unfair for a Trans woman to compete against biological women, regardless of Testosterone levels. So it's kind of hilarious that people are saying "SHE'S NOT A WOMAN BECAUSE SHE FAILED THE GENDER TEST" - Which literally just means she has high Testosterone levels, nothing else.
Kehlif needs to return HIS women’s gold medal. The IOC should be demanding this. Include a trans or intersex category in boxing but do not allow XY to compete in WOMEN’s category.
LMAO we already have it. You did not look up her country of origin, did you? They don't recognize trans and her passport has to match gender as identified the doctor at birth.
Good post here. You have made a really good point about taking on two billionaires at once! Just for the record I love JK Rowling and I am growing to love Elon Musk.
Ultimately a person with xy chromosomes and elevated testosterone won a gold medal by repeatedly punching women in the face. Unless the women also had elevated testosterone then it was an unfair fight. But yet “they” are suing because ? They think the fight was equal??
Is it fair tall people win in the high jump? Surely that is unfair? What if a person 5 foot could jump 7 foot? That would be more impressive than someone away over 6 foot jumping nearly 8 foot? Yet they couldn't win a gold for best at jumping high. If you want to start talking genetics etc.
@@madjock-ig5bvmy God you must be stupid. It is self evident that not all males have equally advantageous genetics for various sports, and the same for females. Holy crap some people are so friggin dense and stupid it’s maddening.
@@madjock-ig5bv Michael Phelps has a couple of genetic mutations that give him swimming advantages such as not feeling the burn of lactic acid. The whole thing is farcical anyway - imagining there's any importance to such contests. Utterly trivial nonsense. It's like caring who wins Have I Got New For You.
This is ridiculous. I think JK should counter sue for her rights. She is being persecuted for her beliefs. her rights to be straight , her freedom to express herself.
The challenge we're facing extends beyond mere biological research; it's a broader assault on all scientific disciplines and rational inquiry within our society. However, this is not an insurmountable obstacle, as the scientific method is designed to withstand scrutiny and adversity. Whether in a courtroom or in a laboratory, we will ultimately uncover the truth. It will be exceedingly difficult for a court to dismiss scientific evidence without jeopardizing the integrity of all scientific knowledge. In essence, the defense of science in a legal context is not only about upholding specific findings but also about preserving the foundational principles of empirical investigation and reason.
Lawyers won't let mere biology stand in the way of a good payday. As long as the client has the readies, m'learned friends will fleece her/ him / it to the bone.
Are you even aware what biological factors are at play, and why the IOC decided to move away from genetic testing since the Sydney games? The situation is far more complex than what you seem to imply, and you'd do well to look up the science before presenting it as a case of litigation vs. biology...
@@nicolasjanvier8617 Charging high-profile figures like Elon Musk and J.K. Rowling highlights ongoing challenges within the IOC. The fact that the IOC moved away from genetic testing in 2000 doesn't necessarily resolve legal issues, as courts now have additional grounds to evaluate, including principles of fairness and ethical considerations. This shift introduces broader avenues for legal challenges beyond just scientific evidence, potentially bringing the issue of fairness and ethics in testing to the forefront. While it’s true that this situation is complex, pursuing such charges could open a significant legal and ethical debate. However, science and reason are well-equipped to address these issues, provided we approach them without being swayed by personal emotions.
The way I look t it is ' The PassPort is nothing more than a Pass to exit and enter a Port' I In the realm of determining the actual gender and genetics on an individual is about as useful as a POST OFFICE Postcode. It would be akin to telling POLICE who wish ti identify som'one' and that some'one' telling them : { "" I looked in the mirror and it is definitely me "" - Now - "" You look in the mirror and tell me if it is definitely you "" }
The real issue is here is communication from the IOC. They try to hide behind stating they the IOC only checks gender through official documentation when they have much better avenues of approach for instance referencing Caster Semenya. This female sprinter produces excessive amounts of male hormones because of having internal male tests. Semenya run into doping accusations, this is how they found out her condition. The IOC would allow her to compete, if she took testosterone blockers. This on the basis that she would have an unfair advantage otherwise. She didn't want to comply, and appealed the IOC's ruling at the CAS. CAS decided the IOC was in their rights. Not only does this show the IOC tests on aspects giving a not allowed advantage. Like having a to high testosterone level. Since we don't hear her being accused of this, never in her 8 years of boxing, the IOC should have pointed out that Imane didn't have any performance enhancing markers in their own testing, instead of making a statement which makes it look like IOC 'only looks at a passport'.
The IOC does not test for sex and or testosterone. The IOC lets a sports governing body set their own rules regarding testing for sex and or testosterone and eligibility. The IOC disqualifies the IBA as the governing body for boxing. Boxing in the Olympics defaults to the IOC rules. Not how they are raised, not what the birth certificate says, not what a passport says, not about feelings, not about the IOC's inclusive mental gymnastics, not personally identifying as, not magical thinking... Strange how the disorders that confer the advantages of male puberty to an athlete are always treated with more deference than the safety and fairplay to unambiguous women athletes. It is NOT womens responsibility to make nice, share, empathize, and accommodate the Y chomazone to the detriment of their own safety, medals, scholarships, sponsorships, money, professional development, and job opportunities. *DSD conditions are both heartbreaking and extremely difficult to diagnose and classify.* In the future, unambiguous Females and unambiguous Males carry on as usual. Perhaps, athletes with complicated disorders should be in the Paralympic Games or have TransFemale & DSD and TransMale & DSD categories, to be sorted out separately *The IOC must take responsibility and have the suitable testing and categories for athletes to compete, instead if passing the responsibility off to others while women get hurt.*
The IOC knows. It's intentional. There's a reason as of right now the 2028 Olympics is not including boxing. First time in a century. They are afraid someone could get seriously hurt and it would hurt their agenda. Unless something changes in the next 4 years other sports they will continue to use passports.
In some cases, yes. Thing is, overall it's not. It's mainly groups (Mainly women, strangely.) of people thinking they're doing the moral act, when all they're doing is creating unfair playing field. There are also plenty of trans peeps etc out there, that are totally against such people competing against women.
So long as it's "unjust" etc, they pull out all the stops on this rubbish and it's why they keep getting away with it. People need to metaphorically man up and say, no and if you keep this up, we'll put you in prison for wasting the courts etc time.
Only if they belong to the protected class. You can still call out white hetero men for cheating. Not to worry. That's why Russia is out of the olympics, but China is in.
I'm not taking a side but would like to point out it was never cheating though. Think about it Imane has competed and lost to women over the years. The IBA (who have their issues) only did this gender test last year after the event which raises the question why weren't they prevented from competing in the first place instead of testing and stripping Imane and Lin of their gold and bronze medals after the fact. Side note: The IBA was suspended in 2019 due to corruption, match-fixing and financial scandals.
The passport gender test seems very very very weak. This "equality act" reference sounds like DEI DEI... Equality of outcome, etc. is ugly.... Is stupid!
ALGERIAN passport, not an american one where you can change it easily, Algeria isn't for beginners my dude, try being trans there and you'll be killed immediately
I don't understand. I'm living in France and to obtain my social security number and health card, I thought that with my passport would be enough, are you kidding me? It isn't, I had to provide my birth certificate, translated (expensive), provide another proof of who I am, and after almost a year, I don't have the SS number nor the health card. They're still thinking what to do about my case. This man provides a passport and some pictures 'proving' he's a woman and that's it, he's ok to do whatever
if our politicians don't know how to define a woman, why do you think our Judges can? The judges are supposed to follow the laws set by those same politicians who cant define a woman. It is not safe to have judges adjudicating on public debate. See what happened with the protests.
It took some time, but ultimately men are AGAIN successfully showing us born XX that "they" are the better women. In the fashion and modelling world this has already happened. Please stop the world, I want to get off.
@@muddyshoes2939 seems to me too be a tragic case of The Internet indulging itself in cathartic harassment of a woman who never asked for it and never did a thing to deserve it. And why? Cause she was born a little different and kind of looks a little different? Now we know exactly who would have been lighting the pyre when the village decides that the little girl with six fingers on one hand or one blue eye and one brown eye is a witch.
What exactly are you trying to say? Sounds like you're sticking up for the woman beater. Unless it's ok for guys to slip on a dress and some lippy and kick the bejesus out of women now? Contrary to modern nonsense men & women are not equal and women deserve to be protected from the strength that a man has. Happily most men get this but the ones that don't, they are the ones women need to be protected from. It's nothing to do with physical deformity, it's more of a delusional thing. A man in a dress isn't a woman and shouldn't be allowed to compete as one. While I've nought against a man in a dress in principle, perhaps it would cbe safer if they competed against others like themselves? While possible not the ideal outcome for those individuals, it is undoubtedly fairer to our female athletes.
@@blaisemacpherson7637No, don’t go all medieval, on us! More to the point is that life is unfair, and some are born with disadvantages that they *have* to come to terms with. A blind person for instance will never excel in Formula One racing or be a crack shot shooter! A one legged person won’t be a world class swimmer…..That’s why the Paralympics came into being. We live in a world where everyone *has* to be included no matter what. But sadly it doesn’t work that way. Rather than feed people a lie, wouldn’t it be kinder to teach young people that you can’t always have what you want, but you can still find the path that is better suited to your skills and encourage them in that endeavour? 😢
they only exists becuase hitler wanted to proove his bs.....much like his favourite motor sport turned into F1, and like how he hated samoking and wanted europe under one flag (EU) :S funny coincidence that
@williambarton5681 -- And yet, Kalif has a micro penis and undescended testicles, NOT a vagina. Second, Kalif benefited from TESTOSTERONE when going through MALE puberty. It should not matter what his genitalia LOOKS LIKE.
@@williambarton5681 It might be possible for a handful of humans the world over, throughout history... but nah. Hermaphrodites are _extremely_ rare. It's possible to be born with two upper torsos, or three nipples, or two sets of teeth, of course, all sorts of mutations are possible... but it's not standard, shouldn't be treated as standard, and we certainly shouldn't reconfigure society around them.
@@infinitydreamzz Nope, "roll up your sleeve" -> take blood, DNA test, SEX revealed. X and Y are the sex-DEFINING chromosomes (nudgenudgewinkwink, spot the clue).
Athletes refuse to tell the truth or submit to new testing to clear controversy. IBA's assertions are discredited. IOC collides in cover up. The female boxing athletes should sue the IOC.
I was diagnosed with transsexualism 20 years ago before gender ideology took off. What most don’t know is back then trans people were free to discuss the medical/ scientific explanations for the disorder, we recognised it as not something we chose but an infliction we wouldn’t wish on anyone. However a new wave of “trans” came in and took over very quickly, they made it taboo to talk about the medical and scientific explanations within the community. Then there was the “you don’t need dysphoria to be trans” movement. This didn’t make sense to many of us and we tried to warn people that if you don’t have GD and transition you may develop GD after the fact and it’s irreversible. But we were shunned, I left the community over a decade ago and I’m thankful I did, its all ideology now, personal identity took the forefront and since I was in the community for support regarding my disorder and such discussion was quashed there was no support left unless you towed the party line. Transsexuals still have a biological sex and it should be embraced and loved since it is such a big part of your being and cant be changed, still this has to be balanced with the disorder and you have to respect that reality also. I really don’t believe most the trans people I see online actually have clinically significant GD, Its very rare and I don’t recognise a lot of what they say reflected in my experience. I think like other disorders like Tourettes the disorder has been appropriated and people are playing pretend. I would just like people to know that there were transsexuals trying to fight back this fire, but they became larger than us and banished us from our own spaces. I saw it all coming 15 years ago but our community was too small to fight it back and the “trans” community is so toxic its probably worse for your mental health to be in it than actually have transsexualism/GD. Don’t let these people gaslight you, they cant even debate objective reality because they actively silence medical and scientific discussion in the matter, thats why not enough research has taken place and why people like me are left without answers.
@@gretarobinson1142 You’re welcome. I love my country and countrymen, you have been here for me, these people though, they would come after me and destroy my livelihood if I spoke publicly, more-so than non-trans people. I’ve never felt oppressed in my country but now every day I see hate and vitriol directed towards me online, in the news, even my prime minister, Its surreal. The “Transgender” community have destroyed our public image, I can’t blame my countrymen for not understanding when its the trans community they see and not people like me who are an unheard minority in what was our community. A taster of whats to come if we lose our freedom to criticise Ideologies.
Transgenderism 😂😂😂😂 you woke and brainwashed generations with your ism's 😂😂😂 you were gay if you were a man who liked men or a woman who likes women. You have a disability if you're born with both reproductive organs, simple.
Strange how out of the thousands of people that have probably commented unfavouably about this matter, that it is two very wealthy people that they pick on...I wonder why?
Sophie Toscon tu Plantier, a Franch national was murdered in Ireland. The suspect, an Irish national was tried in absentia in France and convicted. Questionis, if JKR and EM were convicted in France, could a judge issue a european arrest warrant, thus impairing their ability to do business in the EU.
not as authoritative as you may think. Biological definition of a women also has caveats because there are edge cases. Perhaps the best way to describe is in terms of typical and atypical "women" characteristics. However, Terfs have been tying themselves in knots, describing women's characteristics in order to exclude trans, without appealing to the social traditional aspects of a women, which can undermine feminism, by applying boundaries/scope to that which constitutes a "women". I find the whole discussion, interesting. There is so much motivated reasoning going on all "sides".
@@PianoDentist It is really simple: *XY = male, XX = female. Genotype always trumps phenotype.* *This is the current well-founded genetical expert opinion* - notwithstanding the existence of some very rare conditions like idiopathic, or chimaerism of other causes, hermaphroditism, or intrauterine absorption of a twin of the opposite sex (one "other cause" for chimaerism!). In the *absence of INBREEDING* (in itself rare and most commonly heavily sanctioned for humans) *those rare conditions are NOT a majority of the children born in any population* , but "freaks of nature" (I here without bias use a commonly understandable idiom), as much as stating this fact may be unpopular. *I omit any "allegedlies" for stating current scientific knowledge.*
One of the best "child" stories is in my opnion "The Emperor's New Clothes" it tells a very good lession on how people are forced by fear of rebuke, on mass to tell a lie and not that the truth that the emperor is walking down the street naked. It is the same here, no one is allowed to say a person is a male even though every single cell in his body is male.
@@jimbandaand when she gives those tests and it turns out that she's not trans? All you morons are gonna back off right? And apologize? Or its gonna be some further conspiracy. This is the biggest problem with the right now. In most countries. Its become "I'm right, and if someone shows proof otherwise, its fake." Do you understand how hard it would be to be secretly trans in Algeria?? You'd be executed if they found out. That sounds logical right? Lets transition in a country that doesn't allow it and will kill me for it, and then instead of hiding, let's become a boxer and go to the biggest stage in the world. Seriously, you understand how dumb you guys sound?
@@jimbanda they already take samples for drug taking so they have already supplied blood in countless tournaments prior to the Olympics, how do you think they discovered the XY being present, by cupping their balls......FFS not the brightest!!!!!
@@jimbanda The boxing federation who banned Imane from competing against women did so as Imane has male XY chromosomes and they have that on record already. The Olympics doesn't go on scientific biology ie chromosomes but Marxist ideologues who push gender theory as France and EU do just accept birth certificate and passport.
@@DenzX_NJ he's male, and he's cheating, and good people oppose that behaviour. I don't know exactly what they said that he doesn't want people to hear, but I expect everything they said was true; we've all seen this before. Female is not a costume, nor is it a government designation, nor is it a developmental disorder, which is what he has. It's not a coincidence that the men posing as women so often win their competitions, but it IS unfair.
@@DenzX_NJ there is nothing female about him other than his passport. I wrote more in another reply, but it had too much truth in it to appear here. You'll have to appeal to RU-vid if you want to read it.
I think a clue maybe in the first name I man e and the size of the addams apple in the throat could possibly give it away too. That's before, and blood tests 😂
Imane Khelif never even contested the result of the testing by 2 WADA (World Anti Doping Agency) accredited laboratories via CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport). This information will be leaked during such a case against Rowling and Musk...
And Dr Lal Pathlabs plus Sistem Tip Laboratories are independent laboratories and have nothing to do with the governing bodies (IBA or IOC) that utilise their expertise to identify doping etc
My jaw dropped when you stated it's permissible to advertise a job/role targeting a specific 'group'. It's only permitted by a 'rule' written on paper but in reality it is discriminating against one group. And what/who states when there's a fair balance? It seems to me that discrimination against white people is now written in the rules of this land. This one video alone has been an eye opener for me. I'm a second class citizen.
It should be the person most qualified for the job that gets the job. Having said that though, I've always felt extremely uncomfortable using ladies public toilets when there's a male cleaner working in them. The commenter that raised the issue of a church not necessarily being able to advertise for a Christian employee is a thinker too. The entire workforce of a church all need to be singing from the same hymn sheet (pun intended but also quite literally!). I guess it should be the most appropriate person for the job, as well as the most competent.
This kind of case was fought in California years ago, when a pre-med student couldn't get into a UC medical school because of quotas. He won the case. Bakke vs the Regents of UC, you can look it up.
Apparently, the claimant has an undeveloped penis and Testicles that failed to drop. And still produces the male Y chromosome. So the claimant might well identify as a woman, but definitely doesn't have a woman's anatomy . So by that very presice definition, he is a he, just an undeveloped one. I might add that this is probably where the big chip on the shoulders of his started from. You can't argue with nature and biological facts. So good luck to this claimant in court, because the facts will beat his feeling every time.!!!!
What I've learned since watching this channel is that I am terrified about just how much of our law is worded in such a way to allow subjectivity of interpretation, which in turn allows for bias and inconsistency in the application of the law. The recent demonstrable examples of 'causing offense' being lawful under free speech, unless it is deemed to be 'grossly offensive', or how it is OK to discriminate as long as the discrimination is deemed to be permitted under the equality act have shown excellent examples of why the concepts of law, order and justice can be made so elastic that the entire system seems farcical.
No, this is an amazingly good thing. The world is far too complicated to try and define every minute aspect of it. The entire basis of common law is that you are assumed to have all rights and only when your rights bump into someone else's does the law need to step in. It leaves it to judges to be the arbiters, and as such we actually have common sense in our common law (well, most of the time!). Intention matters as much as results, and some classes of people and activities need protection (or there would be no women's sport).
Mate. She IS female! She's not a Trans woman, she's a BIOLOGICAL woman! She's even uploaded childhood family photos on social media... Unless you're gonna tell me her parents transitioned her as a toddler, you're gonna have a hard time convincing me SHE was ever a HE.
IRONIC the IOC bleat 'Everyone has the right to compete without discriimation' Whilst ignoring the conterpoint that there are concerns genuine 100% women would be placed at near insurmountably unfavourable treatment if required to compete against others who are, shall we say for neutrality, 'less evidentally' 100% female If men are permitted to compete as women Women will be unable to compete in women's sport
Of course, the vast majority of people who come to this and other similar RU-vid channels to bully aKhelif into failing in the Olympics, to satisfy their hatred of her national origin and skin color, like you, lack these two human qualities: 1) human dignity and 2) willingness to defend oneself! You racist haters who out of racism and hatred seek to intimidate others, that path will get you nowhere except to court and possibly to jail, and you better start getting yourselves a real life instead!
Good for Khelif. Go to court. Get it all out in the open without any doubt. Prove once and for all that you are a true and honest woman. (good luck with that).
Without knowing the full facts it's really hard to have an opinion about the fairness of this athletes participation in the female category. However in the last few years it seems that women are being pushed out of women's sports in favour of the inclusion of Trans athletes in women's competition. Why are there no Trans Men winning and setting new records in male sports category. No one wants to address that fact. When people challenge what's going on we are told that Trans Women face hatred and discrimination in society so by allowing these athletes into the female category we are some how addressing that unfairness. But women are being killed and brutalized all over the world. I saw an article that said just in the UK a woman dies every 3 days. We are the most oppressed group on the planet and always have been. Love Trans but love and support women too.
