Improving The SMG! - Attachment Pack Update (Fallout 4 Mod) 

7:16 Pig is right about what that 'gear-wheel' on the bottom of the Deliverer is - it's a heel magazine release. Some versions of the PPK have the European-style heel magazine release, and some use the usual American-style push-button release, but for some reason, Fallout 4's version has both. I never actually noticed that until now, so thanks for pointing it out!

It’d be neat to see the 1928 style Tommygun barrel with foregrip in this pack somehow.

I would love to see a few more grip types added to the Deliverer. Some "fancy" stuff, like an Ivory and an engraved Ivory grip. Both could fit the over-the-top Spy aesthetic. When it comes to the Submachine Gun, the first thing I'm curious about is how compatible it is with the Thompson SMG replacer mod, though I imagine it won't be out of the gate. Attachment-wise, maybe add in a cloth wrapped barrel option, with different texture options that instead make it flag wrapped? There could also always be a bayonet option added, seeing as the vanilla game never had one.

Ok now make a cursed tactical attachment pack so we can get the funny cursed tactical Tommy gun (joke)

Fun fact, apparently the FBI converted some of the old Thompson SMGs into 10 mm Auto back in the 80's, which is kinda funny. Glad to see it in this pack as well, keep it up man!

I think a long integrated supressor barrel for the delivery would be pretty cool and not that weird.

Something funny to me about your laser sights working like Fallout 3s aiming. Remember downloading mods back in 2009 to add proper ironsights. Going full circle in 2022!

I love how this mod is coming along, but I have a few personal suggestions. SMG suggestions: I like the idea of stick mags being added for SMG, but I feel like the mags should alter the receiver mesh by adding a proper mag well, and not just empty space. I also think the medium magazine should be curved a little bit to justify its length. A longer "Typewriter" style barrel would be cool, plus a proper set of small magnification sights. Also, maybe add a rubber pad to the recoil compensating stock to make it unique. Deliverer suggestions: I don't have much for this, maybe an experimental burst fire option. What I really hope is that it will be compatible with the Generic Deliverer Mod.

I think an old style cutt's compensator would look really cool on the smg. One of the coolest things to see on the real world Tommy gun

My suggestion for the Submachine gun is actually to make your stick mag a taaad bit wider as it looks really weirdly thin, then maybe a little longer standard barrel variant and last but not least it could get and front pistol grip if that is possible for you since you have to alter the holding animation a bit to accomadate the new foregrip. Otherwise it looks very promising!

Love the work so far! Would love to see a .32 or 45 rechamber option for the Deliverer to give some variety between it and the 10mm pistol.

Super stoked to see you guys tackle the energy weapons. I adore the vibes of Fo4s energy weapons so much.

the laser grip makes me want to redownload the game. I don't really see that in games. Thank yall for your good work

Once this is released, I'm going to combine it with your Assault Rifle Remesh mod and Optics Pack mod, and I'll finally be able to ENJOY using the vanilla weapons since I first started playing Fallout 4! XD

Might I suggest you add a horizontal magazine option to the SMG, like the Sten. You could use the animation from the pipe smg even.

Be neat to see barrel for the sub machine gun based off the M1923 model Thompson, with a longer barrel and bipod for longer engagements or something like that

Whilst I love all these new attachments I am a little concerned of how might they fit a completely remodeled Thompson SMG. Can't quite recall which one I was using but it did essentially make it look more like the real thing. I may have to do some editing to use this mod.

What about an integrally suppressed barrel for the deliverer like the Russian makarov PB pistol? Or an automatic receiver/barrel like the stechkin?

Y'alls dynamic tho. Dak u navigated all those interactions really well n kept it funny while staying on track. Well done Gents 🍻 always a pleasure.

Your mods are a work of art keep up the amazing work

I agree with your view point regarding "lore-friendly" but love your work. Please do continue making more attachments.

The "little hear wheel thing" on the bottom of the deliverer is the magazine release

Oh man i can't wait to see what you do with the Laser rifle because like i don't hate the design of the AER-9 and the AEP-7 the rifle and pistol but they somehow made the biggest boxiest weapons somehow even bigger and boxier to a annoying degree. I sent some stuff you might be able to use to improve them.

A recomendation for for an attachment for the SMG: the classic wooden foregrip with the finger grooves! A recomendation for the Deliverer: you could go with a longer, sleeved barrel, and use that sleeve as an attachment point for more advanced stuff. This is THE "tactical" sneaky gun in the game: it should have all the sneaky toys and a few more on top! Recon scopes, sniper scopes, see-through-walls scopes, I-can-see-what-you-had-for-lunch scopes, range finders, balistic computers (maybe not guided bullets, but insane buffs to accuracy and critical damage). Maybe a rechamber to something kinda crazy, like railgun ammo, at the expense of being single shot? It's a PPK, a.k.a. James Bond's pistol, and this is Fallout, go CRAZY! 😋

Man this pack was awesome. I have it downloaded. You *almost* made this perfect man. I LOVE the heat shield barrels and the stick mags, but man. An 1897 style bayonet and boom. Done. Perfection.

This attachment pack is already gearing up to be an essential lore-friendly mod...I can't freakin wait for its release!!

Really impressive work on two rather underutilized weapons in Fallout 4, but as a few people have said already, a few ideas do come to mind. First with the Submachine Gun, I'd say the stick mags look really nice, but a bit on the skinny side. Is it possible to thicken them up? Would really help with the aesthetic look your trying to emulate. Another idea for alternate iron sights, if your looking for options, would be the full on ladder sight and if possible one utilizing the peep hole on the original sight instead of the v notch. Secondly, with the addition of the drum magazine for the Deliverer, it's practically begging for a burst or fully automatic option. And if your unsure about barrel options, maybe some longer slides are possible? Overall, really looking forward to the pack's release.

One thing that i want is laser sights that's all, but other things are pretty interesting too, good job

The deliverer should have a mod where is change itself completely like a lurger

For the Deliver, how about something like an XL slide/upper receiver (long slide) and XL grip? Kind of like what Sig Sauer currently does with their pistol models. Basically, depending on personal preference, you can do an XL upper receiver and grip for a full size service pistol feel, or maybe mix it up and do a long slide with short grip or vice versa?

I suggest making the base damage of the 45 recievers higher and the 10mm can be as strong as they used to be. Also maybe completely rechamber the deliverer into 38?

a neat idea for the deliverer if you want goofy stuff in the junk pack to go with the walther p38 idea: attachments that make it look like G1 megatron's gun mode, with the long over the barrel suppressor, scope, and stock. maybe an option to make the SMG look even more like the prototypes from 1918 and 1919

Actually, that looks more like a push button safety on the left side right to the bottom of the Deliverer's slide and top left of the pistol grip. Yes, that definitely is a Euro mag release on the bottom back of the magwell.

Holy shit it just gets better and better

"We dont want to go crazy with the thompson" * Proceeds to make it have explosive ammo *

Given that Fallout is a sci-fi game, I wish there were some high-tech pseudoscience attachments for the ballistic weapons. Might be better for a separate pack, but I'd love to see some things thrown in that are kind of "out there". Like muzzle attachments that irradiate, electrify, or accelerate bullets, a "pneumatic assembly" that reduces recoil and increases rate of fire at the cost of being heavy as hell, a reflex sight that has night vision or target marking, maybe a targeting computer that lowers AP cost and/or raises VATS accuracy instead of a laser sight, or give some guns a rechamber into being a gauss weapon (whether they actually use 2mm EC or not).

I hope there is version that has the laser in its own slot so you can still use a different sight model for cosmetic purposes.

also, interesting thing could be changing the smg into rifle with nuka world AK ammo. Before there was choosen that Thompson 1921 will be an smg, there was thought about bigger bullets, but technology couldnt allow for it

I'd love to see an alternate muzzle device for the shotgun/splitter laser rifle config that changes its shot pattern into a wave like duckbill chokes on IRL shotguns. Alternatively, how about making a version of the shotgun muzzle device that would fill the role of a shotgun slug in a regular shotgun mod, except instead of putting all the power into a single projectile, you get a super neat, nearly-super accurate but very small square of 9 rays, since, y'know, a laser weapon's supposed to be the pinnacle of precision. Also a silent receiver would be a nice option!

With all the work you, Pigness, and Jkruse do for these weapons in Fallout 4, I wish I could play Fallout 4 again. Not going to happen any time soon as my old XB crapped out and I don't have a good enough graphic drive nor the memory to play Fallout on my cheap PC.

DAK and PIG are you guys good friends in real life or just working together. also can we please get a 10mm suppressed receiver because combing those design's and the 10mm ammo type would be PERFECT.

A grip on the handguard of the Thompson would be great, maybe as a stock modification? Coffin mags would be great for the look of the stick mag but with better capacity

Pig the goat coming out of the woodwork. A nice and welcomed surprise 🙏

Good job on the pack sofar, and I'm looking forward to seeing where you go with the laser rifle. Some proper rear sights would certainly be welcome. For 'rechambers' a fun idea could be to swap to cryo cells for a 'quantum detuner' receiver that freezes enemies. Now the Institute laser rifle... sending some positive energy for when you have to tackle that giant plastic cereal box. 🙌

That's laser sight on PPK seems like the same pistol grip for Tokarev from Escape from Tarkov! Cool!

This is awesome my friend, love the Tommy and the Walther PPK looks sick

All I ask is for those drums to be scaled to be bigger. That tiny '50' drum is such a peever and I don't get how Bethesda thought it looked good. x_x

For the Deliverer you could have sights that are just glued onto the top (maybe a junk/raider mod?)

That heel catch is actually the mag release, Bethesda just doesn't know how guns work

I’m super excited for the laser rifle! Energy weapons need more love in 4

As the alien pulse rifle was based around the Thompson, you could do a inspired parts around it. An excuse to give the smg a carry handle....

Do you plan on adding the foregrip to the Submachine Gun?

i think a barrel extension, similar to the 10mm, would be cool instead of a thin pipe going out the end of the gun. make it a little square in a corner here and there. as to the compact laser sight idea at 6:30 ish, itd be cool to have a mini fallout glock with a square slide on the more powerful receivers. edit: i think that a new grip for the smg would be nice, maybe like the one for i think it was the hmar grip in the pack, or the default grips from it since the light stock is here. also, some alternate ironsights would be cool too. maybe they could be entire new models or pre-existing ones, like the 10mm sorry if this is a lot of text, i just wanted to get this out lol

Someone needs to tell Dak that Forgotten Weapons got their hands on .30 Carbine Version of Thompson

With the custom 10mm reciever on the Thompson having that guard I can't help but imagine a 12-gauge conversion, like some sort of retro AA12. I wish the idea was more feasible, though with the reciever and magazine lengths it wouldn't make sense.

Ideas for the Thompson... I'm always a fan of using composite materials for high-end Furniture, grips and stocks it would cool the Thompson had something like that too. Doing something with the silver shroud Thompson would be fun for those that want to use the Thompson late game. Something locked behind gunnet 4 like a 44 mag conversion or burst fire or maybe an electrified muzzle attachment. I don't know I'm really stretching at this point. As for the deliverer I'm with you I don't know if there's much you can do with it that isn't a rechamber or a skin. Maybe a muzzle attachment that isn't a silencer like a an electric or radium... thing, but you know everyone's going to want the silencer so I don't know. On a side note, I like the Thompson but it sits in this weird place on the level list that by the time you get it you're already moved on to the combat rifle. I really don't play Commando builds, but for those who do they really should be getting the Thompson a little earlier with the stick mag as standard it would help with balance if the drum was locked behind I don't know gun nut 3 or something. But you guys aren't really going to be doing any level list/balance changes I imagine. Its been mentioned many times you want to make this mod as compatible as possible and that's understandable.

I ain't impatient Dak take your time and release your true vision!

You know, usually with Fallout 4 half the vanilla weapons I end up replacing due to just how bland they are, but seeing the attachment pack, I don't think I'll be replacing any guns when it comes out. You guys are making a lot of really neat additions to weapons that gives more variety and a e s t h e t I c to them. Really looking forward to seeing what you guys bring to the Laser and Plasma rifles!

The laser grip type you guys are going with is pretty close to a SureFire Laser Grip, they get shown on Guns&Ammo TV, Guns&Gear, Guns&Defensive Weapons all the time.

Also I hope you do the hunting rifle. Make it right handed and give it some fitting magazines for the 50. Cal conversions. Maybe some new cool stocks to go along?

was kinda hoping the smg would have some foregrip attachments both home made and wood and or polymer Thompson style grips. great progress none the less.

You should add a foregrip for the SMG that's just a classic Tommy Gun foregrip at the front but it's moved forward just enough so you can hold it like the base game, just as a funny

having a laser on the slide terminator style would be cool on the deliverer

cant wait for the laser rifle and as a suggestion I would an auto barrel that isn't two giant normal barrels that just spin its not very tactical or innovative if you ask me, or even a sniper barrel that fits the gun's iconic image in previous games and maybe even a shotgun like laser rifle like the multi beam from NV.

I'll get excited when it releases

Yo love your new assault rifle redesign. It's the sole reason it's now allowed back in my game

Cant wait for it to come out

The submachine gun stick magazine looks a little on the skinny side. Thompson magazines were double stack. Other than that, looks good!

What I really hated about the thompson was it being a lead-based super soaker... 50 rounds barely scratches your average gunner! That is a problem!

I've always loved the Submachine gun in Fallout 4 but it was severely nerfed doing about half-damage as a normal 45. cal combat rifle which I even made a mod boosting the damage for to that amount.

recon scope would be an welcome addition

Would love to see some bayonet love with these guns, also love how the attachment pack is coming together.

For the recoil compensating stock i think it should look like the classic Thompson stock to give it that Tommy look. Love the work hope to see these on console soon 👍

If you guys want help with gun mod ideas on historical firearm types, you should email or message Jonathan of the British Arms Museum and Ian on Forgotten Weapons, or even Brandon Herrera for the more wackyish ideas.

Could you please consider Visual Reload compatibility patch? I assume the mags that will be dropped by vanilla weapons will look the same as their default mags so something like deliverer's drum mag or the submachine gun's stick mag will look out of place. That would be really amazing if you guys could consider a patch for that mod but either way thanks for contributing to the FO4 modding community, it is very much appreciated :)

Could totally see something like a crude axe head attached under the barrel of the deliverer for better melee damage

The Thompson Foregrip needs to be added make it a full on Chicago Typewriter!

If you ask me both of you are doing a great job 👍 By the way sibce you and Pig added a drum mag for the Deliverer why not adding an autimatic receiver for it aswell ?

Irl it would be a heel mag release like a makarov, or numerous other pistols. Bethesda however decided to use a different reload animation and slapped a button release on it but still kept the heel release cause they probably didn't know what it did but thought it looked cool. Honestly as much as id rather see it use a heel release animation it would be complicated and too difficult i think. It would probably be better to edit the mesh and just remove that heel release since no one sees it anyway outside of the workbench view or taking pictures of it.

I think you guys really should have made a wooden stock for the Deliverer Ik it’s modeled after the PPK but it’s not too different looking from the Russian full auto pistol the Stechkin

this gonna be awesome keep it up guys!!!

For tweaks? I'd recommend buffing the SMG's base damage, get rid of the vanilla 50 round drum mags, and reset the 100 round drums to give their users 50 rounds per mag. Was never a fan of the SMG being this bullet vomit gun that had such poor damage output inspite of being chambered in .45ACP. A bullet which is meant to be pretty gnarly for a pistol cartridge to get hit with in CQC.

I personally would love to see the classic foregrip for the Thompson. I feel like it's too iconic to leave out.

I would say put the Deliverer comfort grip on the recoil compensating stock.

I recognize that this is a really old video, but since the mod is still in development I figured I'd put it out there- not having a PB Makarov style integral suppressor barrel sounds like such a missed opportunity.

a forgrip on the smg would be really cool

at about 3:25 i was wondering why the barrel seemed so.. flaccid.. but then i realized it was the hose on the workbench, silly adult jokes aside this pack is something i wanted for a long time, seems like bethesda only made the pipe weapons have deep customizeation

Looking great so far, I might be able to offer some help on the Deliverer's barrel issues. The PPK is actually the smaller variant of the Walther PP, they're almost identical barring the slightly larger frame and longer barrel on the PP. Perhaps you could do something along those lines to fix that awful looking long barrel?

I hope it will works with WWII Weapon Rebalance, because that SMG damage... I feel it was nerfed by Bethesda for the same reason the institute Laser, doing the Valentine quest early the triggermen with "real" smg would have been too serious a challenge for some player, like they didn't want Fort Hagen's Synths to be too brutal with lasers.

Yay, more toys for my toys.

7:25 it's a lanyard loop

Add 5.7 caliber to the pistol would be cool for armor penetration or 22lr for more stealth and sneak attack damage like say 3x more damage.

looking forward to seeing the hunting rifle maybe even adding some fallout 3/winter/hunting cosmetic paint/part options

good stuff guys, lovely work

I’d love to see some barrels or slides for the deliverer that makes it look like a Stetchkin APS.

A long slide receiver would be cool for the Deliverer. I don't know what the stats would be though.

If a rail is mounted to the slide, it will move with the rail. I have no idea where you thought it makes no sense. Try watching some shooting videos of pistols with optics mounted on them. You’ll see what I’m talking about. One thing that I don’t like about your laser sights is that when you aim down the sights, you’re just using the laser. What if I wanted to use the actual sights or an optic and reserve the laser for more accurate hip fire? Don’t have that option with the current setup. Are you not gonna add the iconic Tommy Gun foregrip?

I feel dirty...I just googled 'tactical tommy gun' and i kinda liked it.

The only thing I would request is to have all 3 of the west tech scopes available for the smg......

Lol, PPK with a 3 pound drummag is cursed.