@@SLICK8116 I watched a few TV repairman videos. They are saying Samsung's Quality has dropped drastically over the past few years. (Planned Obsolesce). I would love to see FOMO and his friends (WhisperStatus74) address these issues when talking about the new models.
Source material is the difference. If you watch cable or RU-vidTV and streaming platforms then improved image quality doesn’t move the needle. If you game and watch 4K Blu Rays with HDR then it does.
@@16xthedetail76 For an enthusiast like you or me it DOES matter. But the sales figures don’t lie. People will buy size over PQ most times. That’s what move the needle means. Not that the improvement doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t matter especially given the lower quality sources most people watch.
Problem is, most people will try 4k HDR on TVs with mediocre picture quality and decide that HDR doesn't even make a difference. There not completely wrong. On the TV that isn't OLED, QD-OLED or very high end LED, it won't look like a worthwhile upgrade. Which then makes physical media more niche because 4k streaming looks as good as 1080p blurays, so why get them. The biggest difference in streaming is the sound but it seems that most people don't care about that either. It boggles my mind.
Working at Best Buy for over 8 years, 90% of the customers would state they don’t see a difference between and oled an a standard led tv. What they did was get the biggest tv and then use the tv speakers. Didn’t matter how much we would show them direct comparison for the picture quality or how the tv sucks compared to even the standard soundbars. Not saying it’s right but just like streaming people want to pay as little as possible for the most they can get.
I work at Walmart in electronics and I see that too. People tend to ask "What's the biggest TV I can get for $300" That seems to be where the average consumer is. Makes me sad.
@@kain2875in the USA TVs are affordable to the poor and low income, and I believe this public isnt very refined when it comes to tech. Here in Brazil any TV bigger than 50 only the high middle class and above can afford.
The more they focus their R&D and production on QD Oled and Micro-Led's, the sooner the prices will come down, the better for our wallets as consumers ... cause i aint payin $5000 for an 65 inch 8K LCD tv while i can get an QD-oled for less than half the price, with the better picture.
Samsung Electronics is lucky that Samsung Display kept developing QDO & that they eventually got forced to market it. Imagine their short term outlook without it.
AGREED, and even then they tried NOT to sell QD OLED TVs, remember? They hid it in the back at most Best Buys when the S95B originally launched 2 years ago
The biggest improvement in TV picture quality would be if the day ever comes when more broadcasts and streams are in 4K. 4K TV's for the most part do a great job displaying a quality image if given a quality source and at what point will the human eye see the difference in higher resolution like the failed 8K? I wish the push in technology was in that direction instead of TV manufacturers trying to keep improving upscaling low bit rate content to try to make it look better in 4K. When I have been at stores watching a salesman showing what I will call average customers TV's they almost always going for the one cheaper in price. Could be strictly a budget decision or they just don't see a big enough difference in picture quality to justify the price increase of the other TV which is what Fomo was talking about. I almost never see the average customer look at the TV from the side to notice how washed out the picture looks on most LCD TV's when viewing off angle. Sometimes I have had customers ask me what I think. I try to stay out of their buying decision but the one thing I have suggested to them is if their budget allows it get the biggest size TV they can afford because the immersion impact is real. For us enthusiasts of course we want the best picture quality we can get but even most of us have a price breaking point where we say that picture is good enough than the more expensive TV.
Yep I think you're right. I can't count the number of ads recently displaying 85" to 100"+ TVs. It's only larger TVs, and I'm usually interested in 65" max.. 😅 But it works... All the hype and reduced price for larger TVs now makes me consider purchasing a 77" instead for my next buy... It's a wild time for TV enthousiats.
Yeah for picture quality they are all good enough ; I can live with bravia 3 it is other differences like design size speakers and features that drive me through options picture is the last .
Size, by far, makes the biggest difference. My 77" A80J, is way way better to watch movies on, than my 65" A95k qdoled. You will barely miss any pq difference, but the size is a huge difference in immersion. No you can't just sit closer. The size of the objects on the screen are more life size, that doesn't change with your seating distance.
Also, Samsung's 2024 model's started at about $1000 more than the similar model 2023 models. Waaaaay overpriced!! Then the sales knock it down $1000 like they have done something for you. That basically puts it back to where it should have started in the first place!! WTH is going on?? Samsung better get their shitz together!! And I'm a Samsung guy!!
I noticed this also!! Having watched Samsungs pricing closely since the q90B, I ended up getting the 65” QN90C for $1500 no tax, but now they go for less than $1300. The same prices for the D series is now close to the C series prices this time last year and imo they are worse pic quality than the C series. 🎉
I'm torn with a similar choice for an 83" OLED. Go with the Samsung S90C or pick the LG G4. They look very similar to me, but the 5 year panel warranty is swaying me towards the G4.
I get your point. But i disagree with not improving tech. Companies should always innovate and improve. Whatever improvement TV makers make, eventually with time it will translate into a cheaper mid range or lower tier model. Take the QM7 for example; if improvement stops and they only forced on size, then we wouldn't have a 98" QM7 with this level of image improvement(brightness, mini-led, local dimming) at that price. Also we don't have to buy flagship Tvs if you can't and TV makers doesn't need to produce too much flagship Tvs either and focus more on mid and lower tier. But keep the improvements and innovations going.
Samsung has regrettably been a marketing first company and it has cost them dearly over the years. Living in a city where having a one thousand square foot condo is considered huge, a 65" TV is large and given this restriction OLED is the only way to go.
I perfectly understand the message. I own a 65" Oled looking to go slightly larger to 75/77". Due to price of Oled at those sizes, I'm looking at mid-tier mini LED as they are good enough at this point. I could grab a 75" Qm8 for $1300 on Black Friday vs $2000+ for Oled 77". Can I afford 77" Oled? Sure can. Do I want to spend almost double for one? Not anymore. I don't keep them for very long time.
Paying 20% to get 80% quality will always win against paying 100% for a 100% of the quality, let alone the fact that right now we can pay 20% for 90-95% of the quality.
I think image quality is where it needs to be now. What I want TV manufacturers to focus on is reliability. I have my current TV with 13 months now and after 6 months the dirty screen effect started showing. With the past week when I turn on the TV the screen lights up but nothing shows. I have to put it into standby and turn it on again for an image to show. When I bought the TV 13 months ago I registered for the 2 year warranty and I paid for a 6 year no quibble warranty with richer sounds. For the first 2 years it's up to Philips to repair or replace the TV after that if the TV fails richer sounds will replace it with a similarly priced TV if they can't repair it. It seems reliability in TVs has declined a lot in the past 8 - 10 years. In 2021 I bought a Philips 58pus8535 for €700 and the screen gave up just after 13 months.
Is there a long-term mass market for 90+ inch TVs? That seems like a really niche audience. There might be an uptick but that doesn't seem like a sustainable market. The US for example, most people don't even live in a house.
Excellent point, but Best Buy's research team has determined that this is where consumers are going and have begun renovating their stores to show off 98" TVs
IMO what is needed is what Samsung used to and may still be researching and developing. The "QNED" the Quantum Nano-rod Emissive display. Basically in-organic "OLED". It would eliminate MiniLED and OLED all together. If it can be easily produced and come down in price from initial costs. Because it would be 100% OLED blacks, but no burn in risk at all. No ASBL dimming all the colors will be there and brightness as well etc. Almost a holy grail TV. Or quite simply if they can replace the organic blue in QD OLED with in-organic one. Or some "white in organic" and then if somehow blue can be incorporated into Quantum dots.
Phosphorent blue doesn't make the tv a lot more expensive. Yes they would recoup the r&d but apart from that, the material expense would be the same. The advantage is that phosphorent blue would be very efficient and hence the power supply and the thermal solution can handle brightter full screen brightness. How about an oled that can handle 600-800nits of full screen brightness. That would be revolutionary
Bigger is not always better. I spend most of my time replacing backlights on TV's that are only a few years old. The biggest issue i have with Samsung are that the backlights run so hot that it damages the reflective prism sheet and this is visible with new backlights, new sheets are very expensive. This is with 50 to 65" TV's, now you are saying they are about to make over 100" TV's so guess what will happen if they are ran at high brigtness and contrast levels. These monsters will require two people to lift and repair them. Thankfully i will be retired before the warranties expire.
Bigger means more space to spread out heat. I would assume the smaller denser the tv the hotter it runs. I wonder if use case is factored in. Running any tv at max brightness without varying content on bright content for hours would stress any Tv. The small QD-OLED monitors have fans in them as the pixels are dense and get hot when the panel is pushed towards max nits.
@@Horvat04 Thank you, Re Panasonic their upper range models are exellent, but the lower and mid range ones that are sold in discount stores and supermakets are not made or designed by them, they are outsourced to Vestel in Turkey and tend to have a shortrt lifespan, but at least the spares are cheaper. These days you can either pay a bit more for a premium brand that comes with a long warranty or buy cheaper ones that you are prepared to replace or have repaired when they fail
@@Barbarapape i see, im planning to buy the mini led flagship by panasonic from 2023 in 75 inches. There is literally no info about the lifespann regarding mini led tvs. Do you had one?
@@Horvat04 I have never seen any brand of mini led TV for repair yet. Most will still be under warranty and go to the brands approved repair agents. All i can advise is to buy from a store that includes a long warranty, it takes a few years for any new panel tech to prove how long they will last. Rtings might be worth a look to see if they have had any failures.
Great explanation of my situation. Every year, I was waiting for the best OLED TV to get bigger, and every year, there were bigger and cheaper mini LED TVs that made me wait for another year. I think as Samsung goes bigger, it should not give up on 8K, but focus more on AI upscaling chips.
I suspect many buyers have physical size constraints on how large a TV will work in their space. I'm stuck at 65 because I enjoy having four of them on one wall.
I don't like Samsung reliability but they are visionary when it come to read and anticipate the market trend, i'm enthusiast about image quality and at 8 feets distance i still debating my next upgrade between oled flagship 65" or 85" inch lcd(since my actual TV is a 42 inch edge led back to 2013) is very hard choice especially i don't have infinite money to upgrade ever 2 years
Split the difference and get 77" OLED? At 8 feet away, a 65" TV might look a little small, but it depends on your preferences. I sit 7 feet from a 65" OLED and I think it's slightly too small, but everyone who watches my TV says it looks too big when they first sit down (they don't complain during a movie though haha)
Maybe im not in the majority--but my reality is that i dont have the space in my apt for a 100 inch tv, honestly anything past a 65 something inches tv is already starting to push it. 70 and 80 inches tv 's are absolutely monstrous.
Yes, they are "going into" it by partnering with other companies to see how they can improve manufacturing to lower costs but apparently, this investment is losing momentum as the TV industry as a whole has shifted away from microLED for consumer TVs - this appears to be more for custom installations where the display costs above $50,000.
Its a stopgap measure. No one is going to put a tv bigger than 115 in their living room. They will put video walls which. Are tiles and modular. You just keep buying more tiles and grow your tv. 115 inch samsungs is stop gap measure till video walls.
Needed this video. It’s perfect! I wanted the s90D 83” or s95D but since seeing the 98” crystal 9000D I’m going for shear size than better image. Big jump 83” to 98”. Or wait two years for quantum mini led
Dang i was hoping this would not be the case, but most people i know care more about screen size , then quality. They step up a series or 2 but will go for size. Hopefully tv makers will find a way ROI R&D....
I think you are right. As long as there's no significant blooming or dse We are at the point of diminishing returns. I have an S90c and after looking at this yrs crop of TVs I couldn't really tell the difference and didn't see anything that would justify not only the hige price premiums they are asking this yr, but the full cost of replacing a tv. Even if you go up in size, you will get used to it after about 2 weeks. With that said, I wouldn't mind giving the TCL a look because I really loved the QM8 85. I was fully prepared to keep that TV but the Vertical Banding and DSE made it unwatchable. A 98 inch version that's 98 percent close woth zero blooming is a no brainer.
9:01 I don't. I had a 58" Philips TV two years ago and I would love to buy another 58" TV. I'm currently using a 50"TV and there's a big difference between the 50" and 58". I think 58" is the best compromise between 55" and 65". Of course 60" would be better but I don't think any manu facture has made a 60" TV in well over 10 years. The only 58" TV I can find here in Ireland is a hisrnse and I e seen a lot of negative reviews on it on Amazon. Some people received the TV damaged or some turned on the TV and the screen was damaged which you couldn't see when it's turned off or some complain that it stopped working after a short period.
Samsung still have a big advantage over Tcl and Hisense when it comes to brand recognition. People are less likely to part with their money on a more expensive panel if it's a TCL or Hisense. Just look at Sony's B8 and B9, I consider them very underwhelming especially at their price point but people are buying them due to brand recognition thinking King of TV's despite being no where near the calibre of a A95L/K or even a A90J
TCL is increasingly becoming more and more prominent though. You’ll still have people stuck in their ways calling it Chinese junk but that won’t be the case for much longer. Soon enough they’ll understand that TCL is the one actually innovating LCD and providing Sony with their panels. WHVA is going to change things.
@@itwasntoptional5114 if a TCL or Hisense was priced as a Sony no one would buy them...there seen as a budget option for bigger sizes. I know it'd wrong but that's just the way it is same reason some won't touch a Kia and prefer a Ford. To me this year's Sony TV'svwere very meh but the hype was insane based on the way the media continues to put them on a pedestal even with mediocre Bravia 8 and Bravia 9...at this point they could charge whatever the want as people just think 'King of TV's'
I am in the UK. I wonder how many people with average sized homes have rooms large enough to accommodate a 100" TV without it over dominating the room.
I went Bravia 8 vs A95L. I keep telling myself, return the 8 and get the 95. But the Bravia 8 is 95% there for HALF the cost. So far, the 8 is still sitting here. I even considered going to the Panasonic W95A simply because of Color Accuracy out of the box. I watch a LOT of 30 min sitcoms and movies are occasions. not the norm.
The big problem today of Sony the OLED TV is not flagship no XR chipset and no all the feature is in the menu the company line to us is all big bulshit you pay a lot of money and you get medium to medium - television a lot of the technology is not in the TV 😤
1st off: I think everyone should watch this video!! 🎉 2nd: to answer your question, I’d be happy with quality equal or greater than my 65QN90C (B9, QM8) but without question need bigger than 75”. My main argument is for ANY bedroom tv, you’re starting at a minimum of 8 feet viewing distance if you factor a normal size bed. That means anything less than 77” isn’t within that prime viewing immersion distance. However, 77” and up should be the focus and I’m hoping the quality still gets better and comes down in price as big TVs get cheaper! I think Sony could sell a 98/100/110” version of their B7/B9 if they priced it under $5k. That said, with tcl coming out with their QM951/2, and the new Hisense UX models, big minileds will be the best option. I do wish, more than anything they would somehow reduce prices on 83” OLED everything! Lastly, Samsungs new policies on selling your info like LG, imo is bad business and I hope people catch on to what they are doing! 🎉
The whole tv industry is a lie. 77” is 67.4” wide. Explain the reason for telling people the diagonal dimension. There is no reason to have such a dimension for a tv, it serves no purpose. Guess it helps the people that hang their TVs diagonally (haven’t met them yet, but they must exist?).
A bigger Tv is not better with mediocre processing and the image stretch out too much and displays the flaws of the image easier to see. And with streaming, the bigger image is worst than in a smaller tv.
I enjoy this gentleman’s research and explanations. His insights are remarkable and relevant. I am shopping for a newer and larger TV this November (55” to a 65”) -room size limitation-. A 2016 Samsung 55” works fine except for the Smartapps feature. Streaming pauses to “load buffer” or appears to not be able to keep up. So really appreciate these presentations Bob
If your picture is still good, just buy a streaming stick for $20-40. You'll be able to use all the apps with quick response. If the TV is starting to fail, then yeah, just get a new one.
samsung pivoting to larger tv's is just stupid. How many people are willing to get a tv that is as much as a used car, that is going to be obsolete (planned obsolescence) in 2-3 years vs buying a 55-65 inch tv?
Agreed. But the question is would OLED technology allow it to be just as cheap to produce vs led TVs? What happens when you have the chinese inkjet printing OLEDs? I don't know the answer but just wondering if there's a path for OLEDS to get just as large yet be just as price competitive
the problem with TVs larger than 100 inch is that they don't fit in homes so the target consumer base is extremely small compared to say 85 or even 98. like the 98 inch tv barely fits in a normal home in the US anything bigger and you market becomes multi millionaires only
What i really want is faster. I will not upgrade until i can get 480hz. I don't care about brighter. Size is already decent because is sit close to it. If i got larger i would need to move back. I think there is more limited amount of customers who want 100+ sizes than they think. Because most cant fit something that large. But there is a pent up demand for cheaper ultra large for sure.
I think it depends on the room and your viewing distance. There are literal calculators for what optimal size is good for a specific viewing distance. I was happy with a 48" tv when I lived in a small apartment shared with a roommate in my 20's. Now that I have a house with a bigger living room and a family and people who come over to hang out or watch sports, a 48" tv is just too small. I still would never get anything bigger than maybe 80" but there's still plenty of time for me to work towards a bigger house.
I was about to buy a S90D 55 inch tv which is a big spend for me being on low income,but then I realised Samsung are being underhanded about which screen it will be - QD OLED as was marketed or W OLED which is an inferior screen for the money. This puts me right off Samsung,I can’t stand dishonesty.
FOMO .....clapping..........your speaking correctly on the subject. The korean companies like Samsung and LG need to wake up and provide the OLED displays at bigger sizes( more sizes and options) and lower PRICE for the average consumer to purchase. Is higher color volume nice ... yes, is more brightness nice....yes, .......but will the everyday content fully take advantage of the tv to make the average Joe care...not enough. I have seen it in live action during the tv selection process and installations.
What is the next TV tech? If Blue Pholed is never coming and it looks like micro-led may never come or we are looking at 2030 at the earliest. Is QD-OLED end game TV? Can we get an MLA QD-OLED pannel?
I’m so glad you brought this topic up!! 🎉 Samsungs best year was the C series imo. Now they’ve sold everything and I have my doubts they will come out with anything good in extra large TVs. Samsungs QC is downhill. Even LG has a new 98” bottom barrell cheap model tv on their website. It’s like $2400 not on sale yet
No, I do not think they are done chasing picture quality. I think we might go another 5 or 10 years on this plateau, but Mini-LED and OLED still have flaws and once the market is saturated with large screens they we'll need something to sell. They always need a next best thing and the screen size race I think is going to be very short. Once you have cheap large tvs it's going to be even harder to get people to upgrade. I think they're caught up in some recency bias. People like the Idea having large screens and they're seeing growth in a category of 100 inch plus screens that didn't exist before. What I think will happen is the XXL sizes will become the enthusiast option and when it stabilizes. I think they're going to find out that its smaller demographic of people who are willing to buy those XXL screens at any price point because of the sheer size. So I think they'll pivot back to quality because screen size a short term solution
I have the S90D but I noticed that the display is like bent, when seeing from the side I can see the that the thin layer is deformed I should return it right?
All most people ( non-videophiles ) want is larger TV's . This issue has been raging for years . I went to BB the other day and the LG C4 48" looked amazing and actually better than the larger C4 55" == pixel density , smaller space , better picture overall . I would rather buy the 48" over the 55" because of a slightly better picture , but I am not ' most people ' . I really thought you were going to talk about Tizen's last remaining days . Next video , take care , Dreamer
It really depends on how far you're sitting from the TV. I recently moved to a new house where my couch is farther from the TV. At the new distance, my 55" LG CX looked too small, so I upgraded to a 65" C3. The sharpness looks the same, but it's a much nicer experience since it doesn't feel like I need binoculars to watch TV
True, they are are telling us bigger is better than a smaller better tv. I personally think it is crazy to have a TV bigger than 77 inches unless you have a ton of money to buy the best 83,85 or bigger tvs. I have a 100in screen and a projector plus 65 and 55in tvs. Plus, a 83 or larger TV is a monster to deal with.
I purchased a 50" Sony TV for the master bedroom 7 years ago , we paid almost 900 dollars for it at Best Buy thank god I purchased the 5 year warranty, that TV screwed up it broke before the 5 year warranty so we got almost all of our money back, I am tempted by the new Sony TV but I will not buy one again, why pay for the premium and get a crappy TV that was barely used. By Panasonic 3D TV that is over 13 years old still works.
I agree with Samsung I’m a best Geeksquad double agent most tv installed is 98 in du7200 and du9000 . Only few customers buy high end tvs. Also 85-to 100 inch tcl and Hisense under 2000$. I myself sold my 83 oled to buy 98 inch TCL qm8 . I feel like I have more for my money
It just slight differences that every blind shootout have a different winner ; but if you have the right contents with the right calibration wrgb can't equal qd-oled colors but you need the right person to show it to you .
I think innovation is vital, the question is how they approach innovation. Do I think a TV is worth $1000 more if it’s a little brighter or a little faster? No. That said, the jump from LED to OLED significantly improved the quality of TVs, as did the jump from WOLED to QDOLED. It’s that type of innovation that people would be willing to pay more money for. Instead of trying to incrementally improve, what’s already been done, they should be focused on creating something that improves the quality of TV more significantly. If that takes a few years to figure out, so be it. They can always sell bigger TVs for cheap in the meantime, but to cease innovation entirely in any industry would be a mistake.
I decided to buy the 75” B7 instead of the B9 for the same reason - I felt like the picture quality was so close that it didn’t justify the higher price! And this is after knowing all the technical details and the results of your shootouts!
I was thinking the same thing! 😅 I could always go with the Bravia 9, but the 85” is $1,500 more. Where are you buying your X95L from? It is almost out of stock everywhere
@@michael-4k4000 That’s a stretch. At least Terrance can Act and his theories are crazy but also a very intelligent. Maybe??🤷. His Rogan podcasts were mesmerizing.
Any company that believes it doesn’t need to innovate will eventually fail. The truth is that Chinese TV manufacturers are constantly investing in R&D. In fact, Samsung Electronics will find itself becoming obsolete as the Chinese take the lead. Focusing solely on current profits today will lead to the downfall of companies.
I find interesting for S90D they don't offer QD-OLED for 42,48,83 even though I see gaming QD-OLED monitor 32. On top their TV's have no DTS and Dolby vision support.
Oh no, FOMO!! I was hoping Samsung would compete and come out with an 83" or 85" QD OLED in the future to compete with LG, Sony, or Panasonic. Really enjoy my 77" S90d.
I saw 👀 Samsung QN80D 😮last night ? Glossy ! Absolute sooth n comfort for eyes ! The Sony LG 77” look so zoom out . U end up seeing Less n from smaller tv .
I sold my last lcd monitor today. Now my phone, tv, and monitor are all oled. Lcd was the biggest mistake of the century. Crt and plasma is infinitely more superior to anything lcd can offer decades later. Absolutely pathetic I can't replace my c1 because no other tv has 120hz bfi. It's unbelievable, I'll have to use my c1 until i die as without bfi these tvs are unusable for gaming.
The days of these expensive and over priced flagships are over. Kept saying with TCL and Hisense rising up quickly. They are going to under cut the big brands big time. Here we are and it’s here now. It’s also the economy. People want to spend less and get the biggest. These flagships are going to sit and rot like electric cars at dealerships.
Fomo, what is the problem with the 2020 q90t? Rtings, and KG had good reviews, even you in 2020 didn't diss it like ugh. I know the mighty q90r and then the 1st miniled qn90a boxed the q90t in. The q90t is a very good tv except for lower brightness and DSE. SINCE 2021 mini leds are obviously better but in 2020 the q90t was the Samsung flagship. In 2023 the qn90c was heavily criticized for the IPS Panel, and subpar processor, yet got decent reviews.
Don’t use MLA = cheaper price The problem of MLA is that it is more complex to produce aka more expensive to make! So we need LG to make worse TVs to reduce prices…
