In Defense of Chat Noir 

The new heroes and the fact that Hawkmoth raised the stakes 😅 although I was horrified he tried to start WW3

The part where Hawk Moth does a superhero landing and where Gabriel and Natalie were on zoom lmao

@@thatgirlmarley6291 🤣

@@BBWahoo cool

The scene where Marinette runs after Adrien. Made me cry a little bit 😭

Only if she drops this secret identity nonsense

Please do. I hate seeing her yell at him. Please respect the kitten boi Marinette. He goes through enough abuse as it is.

@@Cheetahgirl_Studios like was said in the video, it was reasonable for ladybug to be what at him, she didn’t hate him like his father would do and ladybug wasent being abusive since she was being reasonable and not getting mad at him for every little thing like his father and forgave him but obviously not an abusive assole

Abby's World I was referring to S3. When she just kept replacing him and everything. Plus Reflekdoll too. Ngl S3 Ladybug SUCKED. NY Ladybug was defo better in terms of how her character was handled, so I’m hoping we continue seeing THAT version of her and that S3 LB becomes a very bad memory of the past.

@@Cheetahgirl_Studios yea cuz even though she’s my favorite character, cat noir is the one who’s the best at puns

Exactly! I think that’s why I personally love Adrien/Chat as a character much more than Marinette/Ladybug. What you described I think perfectly describes his experiences and actions. As someone who also went through emotional abuse to some extent, I can testify. A bit different from Adrien but my mother would have unpredictable moods. Sometimes if I do something wrong, she can be kind or mean. When she is angry at me, she’d punish me in many ways, lowering my curfew which is difficult cause of my insomnia, take my phone which is one of the few sources of happiness I have, threaten to hit me if I do something wrong, all of that. It has made me become extremely fearful of getting her mad because she’d yell at me and if I cry, she’d say it’s my fault. It’s just like Adrien’s perspective of things and I think despite how jumbled the characters are in Miraculous, Adrien’s character has felt the best written in terms of abuse and his reactions towards it.

@@valkyrieagainsttheworld I completely agree

@SarahGL0102 Oh no of course I don’t actually hate Ladybug! Just like her less :’)

@SarahGL0102 They two r best Marinette is awesome funny girl And the story of Adrien it’s so sad But He a awesome guy Without them miraculous ladybug is Incomplete So love them if u like miraculous

He had Chloe if that counts 😁

honestly lol. i was here when the show started

I remember watching this show around when i was 10 like in 2016 now im turning 15 this year. I never actually knew I'd still watch this show at this age since this was technically a "children's show". Often times id hide the fact that i love this show bc it was a supposedly "cringey" in my age group. Little did i know a lotta ppl of my age actually watch this show, like a LOT. My brother's 18 and he enjoys mlb too! Tbh, i wish they could more mature themes and be realistic even though some children still watch it. At the same time, children could at least get a grasp what the world is actually is!

The recent season tho 😪🤚

I was a teen when the show started in 2015, and I still watch it till today, Thomas probably realized most of his audience fans are not kids.

Frrrr

One of*

@@quietopinion9637 Yeah, the writers gotta do more for his character though. They are treating him like a side character when Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat Noir are suppose to both be main characters

It's not really that, It's just a bad habit of writers making other characters more interesting that the main character. It happens a lot

@@olamidealabi6419 nope it is exactly that. The writer literally did not make Adrien the protagonist because he thought it would be "feminism" if Marinette was the protagonist instead. His literal excuse was "why are people tripping like this? Can't girls get the chance to lead?" Like he missed the point by SO MUCH. If Ladybug had to be the protagonist, the least they could have done is make her interesting as opposed to making LITERALLY EVERY OTHER IMPORTANT SIDE CHARACTER interesting. As a writer myself, I kid you not, making the main character too interesting/have too much focus is the more common mistake as opposed to the other. And when they reflect on that they end up doing the exact opposite and end up giving the main character too little focus. A good writer would keep working at that cycle until it reaches a balance, which this guy clearly did not do.

@@mcbedo6568 I agree! Im not the best writer and I can see how its harder to write a script then a book format but omg I can think of any other way this show could've gone to fix it. Adrien is a main character and his life is part of the central plot. If Mari hadn't helped master Fu that day then she would've been just a side character. And thats not even mentioning her creepy attitude towards Adrien. He claims its "feminism" but this guy doesn't know a thing about it. Mari is my least favorite character specifically because of how she's written. A side character can be a power feminist, just because the show revolves around them doesn't make you or them a feminist.

Ikr

Chat Noir is bestest boy

RIGHTT

Especially because he is ✨Nagito Komeada✨

Most of us know. There are just a few idiots in the fandom that need extra help understanding that Cat Noir is, in fact, best boy.

YOU Forgot WHERE IS CAT Noir SMH

I don't blame them.... For everyone cat noir is always a cheerful guy with a sheepish smile. Except marinette who has seen his real side like when ladybug didn't come for the (kind of date) surprise

Radiant carefree dreamy adrien the fragrance

The real question is "When is Cat Noir?"

@@majedkanafani6017 *phone rings* AAH- AA @AAAAA “Pick it up Marinette!” “H-heyyyy Alya! How’s it going?! Heheh..” “Uhm girl, we’re waiting~..” “Waiting for uh-what?” “Wait, where?” “At the swimming pool! Remember? What are you doing, girl.” “Oh..*laughs sheepishly* just - uh.. putting on my swimsuit!” *ad replays* “Radiant, carefree, dreamy, Adrien, the fragrance!” “Uhuh- And the Adrien ad helps you pick out clothes?” “Eh-uh-p.. Uhm.. I’ll come over now!! Hehe! 5 minutes!” “Tikki, I gotta goo!” *takes packed bag and runs out of bakery towards pool* *Adrien, which escaped home to watch “solitude! intrudes and tries to find shelter* “Uh-uh-.. Adrien?” “Marinette?” “Oh Marinette, can I hide out at your place please?” “Oh- uh.. My place?” “Wait, why?” “Because-“ *paparazzi finds Adrien and points* “Alright, *Marinette nods* come with me.” *run dundundundudnddundudndundudndudnun* Sorry, just too obsessed to Miraculous that I had to flash back to Gorizilla..

We aren't mad just both characters are flawed and it's more obvious in Adrien's case because he's always hanging around Marinette and also flirts with her as Chat Noir. Whereas with Ladybug I understand why she rejects him now of all times because he doesn't understand how hard her job is and makes fun of her for it.

@Quiet Opinion Cat noir flirts with everyone,not just Mari.Its a part of his personality,he's flirty.He calls Mari friend because Marinette called him friend too and she didn't confess his feelings for him,if he knew she liked him then he wouldn't consider her as a "friend".

@@quietopinion9637 back talk? Its quiet ain't no back talk

I meant to put same with KAGAMI not Lila

@@kiaorihara4005 There was literally a reply _right_ above, how could you mess up this bad? Well, unsurprising seeing the quote you're using was popularized by tiktok and you're agreeing with easily disproven statements based on opinion.

Adrien lacks a lot of relationships that he needs in life so it's normal for him to have this much care for his friends

yep. but also, wasn't nino his first friend besides chloe?

@@jess-zf6ng yes but Adrien MADE the effort to be friends with Marinette while Nino asked Adrien to be friends

@@Sanrio-paradise ohh yeahh

I also believe that he is bad at expressing his emotions

Yeah

Plagg needs to tell him to take a day off for himself. Plagg would be that brother who's like look I know you want to make sure you get everything done. But you need a break.

Yeah

I know I wish ladybug would understand why her trust is so important to him

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll stan Plagg for clear skin

Ikr? Like what sense does that even make? Geez, some people simply don't understand that everyone is flawed and make mistakes. That's literally part of life.

Frr like they act like he's such a bad person just because of his flaws

Marinette screws up & Master Fu praises her, Adrien / Cat Noir screws up &- he gets screamed at. Perhaps if I am being VERY kind I could say their kwami are leading them astray a bit.

@@diyana_ Some staff changes they made part way through season 2 - seemed to show the tone in season 3 as a serious change - one I could still mostly see in the New York Special. I am a little worried about the show continuing to be a jerk to Chloe, let Marinette get away with anything she likes and demonise Cat Noir and make Adrien's life hell, not to mention not even develop Adrien as much as they could or should. It might be nice if they told us some simple things about his life and thoughts in throw away lines a bit more often than they do.

But Marinette has no flaws (said in Sarcasm mode)

You mean he's the most developed. WEEE lucky him -_-

Yep :)

@@quietopinion9637 The hate for men is strong with this one

Same 😩✋

his character is the most interesting to me compared to marinette

Ladybug is, she doesn’t see it yet.

Umm... Me ofc 🙄✋😭💀

They should put me on the show😑i love him more than I love myself BRUH

coughs coughs... me

Uhm..I am-

IKR I love that! ☺️

Momento Mori ⚫⚪

Nino is best boy. He is so supportive and helps Adrien out a lot. He’s criminally underrated in the show.

Nino is the good father he never got, if there not lifelong best friends I don’t know what is

Cheetahgirl Studios yeah, we need more of our DJ boy

Adrien is the best

Like bro, how is he manipulative- though, idk bout you.. but I never saw anyone says he's manipulative-

@@vivi1387 13:18 the narrator says does it make him selfish and manipulative meaning they must've seen it around, I dont interact with the fandom so I'm taking their word and just agreeing

The ones who are selfish and manipulative are Gabriel and Lila!

@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 yes

Literally. I wish the writers would adress his abuse and depression so that he can get better but the writers might not even notice the way they write him

@@ot7biasedmashups Considering how much I've seen of season 4. They are on very thin ice.

@@ot7biasedmashups The writers so far seem to focus on Marrinete and her only. She's always the main focus, which I get as the main character, but Adrian's story especially his family life is rarely featured. It really gets to me.

@@ot7biasedmashups for real we barely see any sympathy in the Fandom or the actual show. And when we do its just because people are sad he can't go some where

EXACTLY HES TO YOUNG FOR ALL THIS TRAUMA

yeah

I do think there are many logical reasons why Adrien says Marinette is just a friend, but I personally don't think Chloe is one of them. I don't mean to be mean or anything, I respect your opinion. But Marinette doesn't really act openly flirty with Adrien like Chloe is, it's quite the opposite, really. She gets too nervous most times and runs away (which he sees, making him think HE is the problem because he doesn't get social cues). Marinette also often messes up her words, complimenting him but then accidentally insulting him. I don't like the idea of Adrien loving Marinette and just not acknowledging/realizing it. It always seemed forced. Like, Adrien doesn't really get a chance to talk with Marinette properly. And when they do, I doubt it's enough to develop romantic feelings. Honestly, I think it's best they both mature (Adrien learning social cues and Marinette expressing her feelings) for any romantic relationship together to last.

Imo Adriano probs thinks of her as a friend since marrenite is always pushing him away and saying how she doesn’t have those feelings for him. It’s complicated. Mariente makes me mad lol

@@fruitylooperies8166 period. You spoke only facts. That's why the whole "Adrien is blind" it's just not it. Adrien does not have social clues and when he asks Marinette what she feels for him she denies that she has romantic feelings for him. How could he understand like that? He LACKED human interaction until 13 y.o. Adrien's story is so interesting and I wish he was developed much more, because he's an interesting character and a MAIN character. Something that the writers forget often

Yea its sad and funny

Agreed LOL 😆 Oracle ✨🐞🐾🎧❤

Lmao best disc for him ever

I Arege lol 😆 😂 🤣 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

it really do be like that tho

I that teddy from p4

Like she’s said he’s just a kicked kitty who makes mistakes because this is what everyone, included us, do. It’s normal.

I had no idea people thought this. It’s ridiculous

@@gracekim25 maybe because they never knew what an abusive relationship truly is like

@@veronicapiccinini1981 or have not been taught about this in school

Who the frig said that?? How much you wanna bet they also view anxiety as attention seeking irl.

Br’er Bear (Splash Mountain): Gabriel Agreste, imma knock your head CLEEAAN off!

When will ladybug have a baby with cat noir And I want to see them to see their secret identity

@@darlenebyers3546 around season 5 somewhere i think

💛Jesus lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we deserve. Repent of your sins and trust in Him💜

He stright up yeeted his son across the city lol

If he finds out, he’s toast.

and nathalie being mayura, adrien was ready to accept her in the family but she became a villain too

not literally but yeah

@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 i feel like he Will snap

He’s a villain even when he’s not hawk moth

Social butterflies usually are (and social lions when they lose a grip)

Yeah

Yes you are correct

I realized he could be a depressive character

Yea, there’s a video on someone thinking he could have borderline personality disorder but most said was when he was akumazied and most comments said that’s him having depression is more likely and I think it’s that and he obviously dosent know since his father obviously wouldn’t notice since he barely sees him and when he does and does something wrong he leaves him

Fr

yupp

They really could have portrayed him better. He literally has a mother who passed away. And has communication issue with his father. Sure he seems silly as Cat Noir but still that doesn't mean he isn't going through some things

@@switch9045 I’m afraid that’s not going to happen due to the writers just giving Marinette character development and Alya is pretty much replacing him in season 4 honestly what is the point of having chat noir if the writers are not going to include him a lot and this has been happening since season 2 only now people are really just seeing it

@@huthifaali5379 I don’t think you understand that the replacing him is adding to his character development. Sentibubbler is definitely showing that off and it’s only gonna get even crazier.

Then he really needs to open up more and understand it's hard for her too as she's also under a lot fo stress as the guardian now. Both have their stresses and not one of them is above another so they both need to open up more basically.

@@quietopinion9637 Will you PLEASE shut up? Lmao you're just EVERYWHERE defending Merinette!

so uhm LMAOO it gets worse in season 4 with chat noir basically being treated like a side character rather than a protagonist to the point it borderline seems like marinette is replacing him

@@savi0rzZz Chat Blanc 2.0, anyone?

@@catchyname1081 here

And this is why you have us, the fanfic writers and the fan artists. We got your back 😂

@@jennycull1061 Indeed.

@@jennycull1061 fr its just like the aot Fandom. Someone had to do a fan made ending because the original one wasn't as good as people thought

@@jennycull1061 ty !

@@switch9045 don't forget Naruto

Yes, 100%

Plagg's not a friend. He's a surrogate older brother.

@@joseph86255 I agree, but siblings can also be friends. I see Plagg as a friend and an older brother figure to Adrien.

@@EchoStarcast Well, there's a reason Nino is his best friend. Because Plagg's more than that. Same way Alya is Marinette's best friend because Tikki is more than that.

You guys remember that scene Plagg played the piano with Adrien? That was where I liked Plagg the most as a friend to him.

he is kinda a main Oc but he's just too over shadowed wich is kinda sad since His personality both Adrien and chat noir is kinda a charm for ladybug/mari

@Sanjana Vinjamuri Ikr...

Nah man they just gotta stop making him be a side kick and a damsel in distress type of character

hes way more interesting then any other character in the show, his father is the bad guy for crying out loud!

Maybe its because he has character unlike a certain mary sue

Most developed*

I couldn't agree more ❤

He's always been my favorite character

totally agree !!!!

@@quietopinion9637 Against facts there are no arguments

I see u everywhere

Adrien does not have depression OMG

I think season 4’s doing a better job so far of addressing rather than avoiding Adrien’s depression/emotional issues. I’m hopeful he’ll end up with a good emotional arc resolution cause he sure deserves it

I'm 12 and I haven't noticied it before, but now I know his sadness because of season 4

@@boredshrimp9425 that one episode where he almost unalives himself 👀

It’s his FATHER’S fault! He stirred his mind into mushed-up goop! Well, making him believe that he made some mistakes, you know what I mean.

he is used to punishment because of his father. im thinking he thought ladybug was going to ask for his miraculous so to soften the blow he did it himself. i cant blame him

@@vanenicolech Oh I’m gonna kick Gabriel right in the batteries.

@@disneyparksstarwarslover7638 YES PLEASE!!!

the fact people REALLY called him selfish because of everything he went through... like... Sure it was a BIT dramatic to give up the importance of a miraculous BUT CONSIDERING Adrian and his relationship with his father and everthing else as a whole, you'll understand why. It's just people who want the duo to be together in the end. It's not bad to ship, but specials like this are important to give more life to the story and background. It also strengthens bonds of certain characters and that is needed, but tbh, I don't expect every one to understand since the entire show is for children.

BOOM!,!,!,!!EXPELLED FROM SOCIETY!!!!!!

Ikr, everytime I see someone saying that, I tell them it's Adrien's character. He just doesn't know.

I agree. He has trouble in his life. His father is doesn’t care abt him and his mother died. Why do y’all expect him to know how to express himself well? Even if he doesn’t like marinette and it’s not because he can’t express himself it is what it is you can’t force the relationship we would much rather them settle in rather then forcing the relationship

@@bubblyboba0558 you have a point

@@janhavinoronha Hypocrisy at it's finest folks!!

Right, they both have to sacrifice relationships both in their civilian and superhero lives because of keeping their identities secret. I hate that fans compare their hardships as if it’s some kind of competition.

I wouldn't say that they go through the exact same things, but through similar things, and in the end their struggles are equal in the way that one doesn't have it worse thzn the other

I actually think Adrien\Cat deals with much more pain considering his awful background and having family that's not solid. yet he's so kind nice and cordial to everyone he's the perfect example of the line "you can walk straight through hell with a smile"

Chat blanc and the fear he felt

IMO they go through different things, but there’s no need to minimize either. suffering isn’t a competition

Could've turned out like Chloe

@@repulsethemonkey1396 or worse - felix, who is his foil!

That why I hate it that a lot of people make him a jerk

@@midnightstar5149 how can people even make him a jerk like where??-

@@kysim AO3

Exactly. People always dismiss Adrien's abuse, and it's kinda concerning.

@@ToonRuinsOfficial yeah...

@@ToonRuinsOfficial it's really hard to not think black and white. Person does bad thing is bad is easy. Seeing the intentions and hurt that leads to those decisions is difficult. Especially when you might unintentionally see yourself in the "bad person". Not being able to categorise people is frightening. Sorry for weird rant. Love how nuanced your look into everything is

yea marinette overreacted but its really understandable...i understand also adrien obv

@@od3910 yeah it's nice to see someone who actually sees these characters as people for once. I get so annoyed seeing hate posts going like "I hate Marinette she's the worst" etc, like why is everything 0 to 100 with these people. Like there's a scale to things, not everything is black & white. Like if she's too perfect they call her a Mary Sue, but if she makes mistakes people hate her and call her terrible. Like good ppl aren't perfect all the time, it's like no understands nuance anymore, or maybe I'm expecting too much from the fanbase of 10 year olds LMAOO

I agree with you about Nathalie. I don't like how people say she's horrible because of what she did in Chat Blanc, but we have to remember that it was a worse case scenario. Plus, Gabriel is her boss and Adrien is his son, so she would of had to something...she was ordered to. Nathalie seems like a pretty good character, but we never see her really care for Adrien, most likely because we're supposed to hate her no matter what (since she's a villan)

zoey hoover still. She really snitched on him 💀

Honestly I would love to see gorilla become sort of a father figure for Adrien, since he is his bodyguard. Like he is very protective over adiren and Adrien could be better with a better father figure

I wonder if the gorilla knows that Gabriel is the hawk moth Imagine he became the future villain

@@noorishataef6477 ye if she didn't then they would've defeated him, then in that episode they'd have the butterfly miraculous, but what about the peacock? So instead of the episode not having any impact they could have the butterfly miraculous and know who hawkmoth is and then they have to fight Mayura or if Gabriel takes that miraculous, but they know his identity so then they can easily defeat him!

and adrien still renouched him in NYC special😭 and ran off crying

@@arithelovely3153 Both Ladybug and Gabriel are at faults!

Golden XD

HOW DID I NOT NOTICED THAT WHAT THE HELL THEY ALSO END UP BEING PRECIOUS AND SASSY AF

ikr

Don't forget Mao Mao

@@leohino9211 oh yeah....... He does.

You honestly can't be comparing Adrien to Catra. Catra had it so much more ruff than him

Not really....yall are just digging too deep into it

@@londynmurphy8818 and you aint digging enough

@@londynmurphy8818 yeah because when you dig you find the good stuff.

I agree that he is more interesting to follow, buut MLB would probably be a lot darker if he was. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing! But it's pretty refreshing to me to have a protagonist (Mari) that doesn't have a depressingly soap opera backstory. Also keeps the mystery interesting when it's lurking in the shadows and the whole female superhero thing is very nice. Basically, glad that Adrien and Mari are both main characters and also that now that the story's picking up he's getting more of the spotlight. Respect ur opnion tho ofc.

@@parkerqwt yeah that's true

Bro if he has not social skills then how was he able to do fencing and all those other sports with other people and talk to Chloe. Y'all coming up with the most BS reasons to defend his ass.

@gamers station I mean y'all shit on her a ton, so we are calling out his toxic behaviour too.

@@quietopinion9637 Adrian is any thing but toxic

@@quietopinion9637 and??? Chloe was his only friend when he was a kid and yea he never went to school before. Yea he has no social skills since his dad never allowed him to go to outside before. And your comment is dumb

@@quietopinion9637 Euh private class? The only skill he had are most likely professional since he always go around for work.

Exactly

🥺

I agree

It's like she's so used to being mean when he's flirtatious that she's just become mean in general. And on top of that, she expects things to go a specific way when in reality, there are infinite possibilities! So what if Chat Noir _did_ stay in Paris? He couldn't have cleaned the sentimonster feather and he couldn't have reversed the damage. LB likely wouldn't have been able to get to Paris in time because, as we saw in the siren episode, she swims at a normal speed. Even with her flight power up, it would've taken a few hours. LB really didn't think her plan through and she just expected things to fall into place and be okay.

@@violet3907 Still she would have to deal with hawk moth in ny so it's her fault

Ladybug has directly or indirectly got 9 people akumatised, & Marinette a whopping 26 - loads more than Chloe. It does depend on how forgiving you are on what counts towards her though - and some could be considered shared neglect (puppeteer 2) or an accident (like Baby August the 1st time) or no one's fault (like Sandboy). She's stolen Adrien, Kagami, Alya & Chloe's phones & she's also stolen a Camera and a memory card. She's also broken into or tried to break into Adrien's home at least 4 times. Heck alone knows how she gets Adrien's schedule in as much detail as Nathalie has too.

@@90lancaster I agree with everything else you said but when has marinette caused that many akumas? I haven't watched the show in a while so I might not remember most of them but all I can think of is befana which wasnt really her fault, gladiator but like the nan was sad because she rejected ONE icecream like maybe she just wasn't hungry and copycat is debatable but that was more chat noirs jealousy and lie than ladybug not showing up. If you have any more examples I'd like to here them.

@@dod297 I'd say she sometimes might "contribute" to an Akumatisation - like ditching Manon in Puppeteer 2 for example or allowing Alya to push aside Juleka in Refektdoll, or telling Kim to confess to his crush She kinda helped with Desperada a bit too. But she is kinda responsible in part for Animaestro & Anansi,, Prime Queen, Glaciator for sure, Riposte, Frightningale, Dark Owl, Zombiziou, Reverser, Backwardser, Santa Claws, Bakerix, Weredad, Chrismaster, Gamer 2.0, Ikari Gozen was mostly her fault too, She certain often contributes to Chloe's woes too . But sometimes she does something that leads to someone doing something else that gets someone akumatised - like ditching Manon - leads to Alya & Nino sneaking off to make out and abandoning Manon - that gets her akumatised - when it was Marinette's responsibility to be looking after her, not shouting TOILET at Adrien instead. So some a circumstantial or accidental - sure ; But she was nasty enough to Andre in Glaciator to say that she effectively Akumatised him in the way Chloe Akumatised Stormy Weather 2.

@@90lancaster I mean reflektdoll was more alya fault for pushing her, marinette shouldn't have too always be the reasonable one, alya should have had the common sense to not push her friend out of the way. Dark cupid wasnt her fault, she was encouraging him to ask chloe out but it was chloe who upset him and humiliated him, she had no idea that would happen and cant be held responsible because it was all chloe. I dont really remember desperada other than her giving Lukas guitar to adrien so I didn't really notice her play in the akuma. In animaestro she was at fault along with chloe and theres nothing I can say to defend her. Anansi was more anansis own worries than her lie because if she got so salty about one loss then she must be sensitive, like just go with them or something. Prime queen was all nadias fault and ladybug was completely in the right yo leave as she betrayed her trust by making her uncomfortable, I don't know why people try to make out that she is in the wrong in this episode. She wasnt rude in glaciator, if andre can't accept one rejection and got that sad then he should be a business owner, not everyone has to accept your icecream and they are allowed to believe your icecream doesn't make people 'soulmates' god I hate that word. In riposte from her perspective she was put onnthe spot to answer and went with what she saw, if you slow the fight down you will see Adrien did beat her by a few frames so she isnt wrong, hawkmoth is entirely at fault not marinette, she answered honestly and was put on the spot to answer. Frightingale was entirely chloe and marinette dudnt factor into her akumatisation at all, please explain how you think she helped akumatize her. Dark owl was a slip up, a tiny mistake of saying his name that shes probably used to saying as a reflex and it was hawkmoths fault that he used that minuscule slip up. Zombizou? What was your thought process? Chloe sabotaged her gift making marinette understandably angry as bustier swept it under the rug and the akumatisation was chloe and hawkmoths United efforts, I can't figure out how you came to this conclusion. Reverser was her fault but she had good intentions with a bad result, she learned her lesson at the end. Backwarder was only her fault because she slipped up handing three envelopes that looked identical, anyone could make that mistake and it wadnt her intention to mix them up. Santa claws was her fault but she was trying to do her job despite her not looking like an akuma at all. Bakerix was his fault, a boomer that was salty about being bested by a teenager and got affected, not her fault. Weredad. Please. Explain. It was her fault because she tried to protect her identity? It was her fault because she cane up with a excuse? Please explain deeper because it was no ones fault. I can only remember some of Christmaster but it was her fault by having a right to privacy? By not letting a kid look at the presents? This has no reasoning so please explain. Gamer 2.0? Because she said no? Is she forced to say yes? She gas a right to say no, you understand that right? People don't have to say yes to people's requests. I find remember ikari gozen other than ryuku and cant find it on RU-vid so I don't know if it is her fault or not. She contributes to chloe's woes? How? She is bullied by chloe and always tries to support her friends and help others but noe shes belong chloe, this makes mo sense... You realise she actively tries to stop akumatizations right?

Sorry about my terrible grammar, I wrote it quickly.

i know they focus so much on marinette and ladybug even though most of the fandom want to see adrien and chat noirs life

What kids see in this show: Heroic action and colorful cartoon animation. But what WE see: Romance, very dark emotion, theories of sentimonsters, Adrien abused, etc…

@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 LMAO YES

You, me and the fandom. We love our dumb, idiot, blind, dense, flirty, punny, cat.

@@eevee420 👌 so true

@@eevee420 of course 😌

Me too! 🤣

Yeah, Ladybug became kind of annoying to me because of that, Chat/Adrien deserves more :(

Mate please don’t use the fact that it’s a kids show as some werid excuse about them not covering serious topics. They can literally do that, it’s not rare anymore

@@gracekim25 You're absolutely right. A lot of kids shows are doing that now (heck Steven Universe). I wish this show would but I heard that this probably wouldn't since it's more of a cutesy show. But then again they had Chat Blanc in which a 14 year old abused kid kills the entire planet so. I hope the writers do more with Adrien's development, he's such a well-written character agh!

@Hell Spawn i love the part wer u said gay

Dam thats rough buddy

I agree but only if you exclude Chloe, she has never been truly mean to adrien it’s always the people around him. She’s a bit pushy because of her adoration of him but she listens to him and wouldn’t let someone hurt him while she was around.

YES.

Fam, he had enough time to tell her he wouldn't even be in Paris *before* he took off lol

Umm ever heard of lying by omission? He knew what he was doing. But his mistake was important for the special's plot

remember, chat noir could contact ladybug, and tell her

Dude, he did. We love Adrien, but he does makes mistakes, and it's totally fine

@gamers station Nah ya'll excuse his flaws to bash on Marinette too don't deny your bias!

@@quietopinion9637 Cyrus the great is better.

@@quietopinion9637 Which is what you are doing. We can have different opinions, but why don't we address more Marinette's flaws?

Ugh! Gabriel don't deserve to be a father.

@@johnsantos507 yeah! He’s the worst

@@daychild_ If only Adrien's mother would see what her husband become. An overprotective, abuse.

@@johnsantos507 yeah

I think Adrien should live with Marinette! That’ll be better.

thank you for bringing up the adrian support without bringing down marinette

You think that is sad? Look at zuko (Avatar: the last airbender), crona(Soul Eater), jimmy hall (At Dead Of Night), arthur fleck (JOKER), Shoto Todoroki And toya todoroki (my hero academia), tomura shigaraki (My hero academia) and hawks (my hero academia) And eri's (My hero academia) backstories.

@@shacharlem4424 Eh- Wrong place, buddy

@@shacharlem4424 wtf that got to do with miraculous ladybug 💀 just because adrian isnt very traumatized does not mean his story is any less sad than it is

Not even close to what I wanted to say@@vulcan65 . I never said it was not a thing to be sad about.

Yeah. Me too. Gabriel is guilty! THIS LITTLE RAT IS GUILTY! Coincidence? I think NOT!!!

Something Adrien salters forget because they make it sound like he has some when in reality he doesn’t. Which is why I can understand his actions as Chat. The only time I really didn’t like his attitude was Glaciator and Frozer

@@huthifaali8291 OMG YESSS

@@huthifaali8291 exactly

Me too

That and his stance on heels

And thought he was trying to manipulate ladybug? Tf?

Like, bruh!

i mean if they didnt really know adrian then thats probably the reason why they said it 🌝

I mean, most of the people in this universe are sensitive.

@@shacharlem4424 yeah because its a kids show, they overreact to everything so the younger people can actually pick up on it

Gabriel is the worst father ever,especially after chat blanc.

@@lananikolajevic5219 no cap

Darth Vader: Finally... a worthy opponent! Our battle will be LEGENDARY!

He takes care of his butterflies than his own damn son-

@@quitter90 He’s a hoarder!!!

How is she allowed to do that but not him, she literally wanted to ditch protecting Paris to pursue her career but when adrien leaves she gets mad?

@@Ichigitchyyayadada i agree completely

@@Ichigitchyyayadada If she'd gone to New York, she would have given her miraculous to someone else. She didn't get mad because Cat Noir went on a trip, but because he didn't tell her he was going on a trip, despite having previously assured her that he would be there to protect Paris and contact her if an akuma or sentimonster showed up. If he had told her that he had to leave Paris, she would have understood, and come up with some other plan.

Same

The creators said that in season 4, each episode would be a bomb.

Yes! But I also hope it won't be as dark. Chat Noir's cataclysm was a HUGE shocker, especially for a children's show. And Hawkmoth has crossed a lot of lines, but threatening to launch a nuclear missle and blaiming it on Ladybug and Chat Noir was WAY over the line.

@@sadespain2339 nah I’m glad they took it unexpected route. Dark themes is not a bad thing

Same , I really hope this show gets better in season 4

Trust me, she’s 1000 times worse than him. It speaks volume when you realize that she’s the second person with an high “Akuma Creation Score”. And in the special, she picked the wrong time to call out Chat Noir for not staying in Paris. But what she doesn’t get is that, even if he somehow DID stay in Paris, he won’t be able to fix any collateral damage from Akuma/Sentimonster attacks without Ladybug’s Lucky Charm. Even in that case, Paris would ended up as a wrecked city anyway. So her entire “Well, I can't trust you any longer, can I?!” is totally, 100%, completely POINTLESS! Period! End of the story! Worst of all, she doesn’t even apologize!😡 “EQUALITY”, indeed.

@@veronicapiccinini1981 she did give him that signal so he could message her to come right back if he needs her so there’s that. But I did feel like the passive aggressive attitude was a little uncalled for. But at least they all made up in the end.

SAME

@@veronicapiccinini1981 She gave him the cat thing you know signal then if it does she can go back there in no time using the poer up or the horsse miraculous... and she overreacted but still understandable...well we didn't really see her apologize...but it kinda ithink showed that she regrets and sorry to chat...like actions speak better than words??..and hey that time ladybug said "i can't be ladybug without him"....theres like different ways to say sorry so yes..but i do agree about "equality"... and about the equality i dont think we should blame it on marinette herself but with the writers or thomas like thomas his fav is ladybug which becoming favoritism so yes

The signal for the cat toy probably wouldn't even be able to travel around the earth without being disrupted

inwilldieunhappyifthathappens...

Hopefully he stays!

Well hes not even there in season 4 so....

ehehehe👁👄👁💧

he barely gets any screen time in s4 ;(

I LOVE this headcanon

@@Vrog11 your name, as much as I don't like Adrigami, we have to admit that the relationship is not entirely Kagami's fault. Marinette is unable to tell Adrien how she feels, and as a result of that, Adrien is still (kinda) oblivious to her feelings and is single. Adrien isn't going to wait around for Marinette to confess her love for him just because she's the main protagonist. Although Adrigami (and Lukanette) are just for the plot, we don't really have to worry about anything though, because seemingly the producers have confirmed any of the Adrienette, Marichat, Ladrien and or Ladynoir ships will be endgame.

@flimsforjanishaa right

It's a show targeted at children, and kids have a different understanding of love and relationships compared to teens/adults. So exaggeration of emotions is used a lot in kid's shows in order to show attraction in a way that they can understand, but that can come off as stalker-like behaviour to teens and adults.

@@annaalmasan5368 ^^

@@annaalmasan5368 exactly some people forget this is a kid’s show 😭 like yes i feel PAINED when she does creepy things but thats just how love and “crushes” are portrayed in kids shows

JNNJWJFNJWNJN SAME 😭😭

HONESTLY BAHAHSJDJ

@2026Alia Hijli My 5yr old brother watches it he thinks it's hilarious 🤣

Yes it was originally was supposed to be a kids show but the creators said they found out most of their audience is mostly teens so they’re gonna switch it up

same here

Br’er Bear (Splash Mountain): Gabriel Agreste, imma knock your head CLEEAAN off!

Yeah Chat Fans are annoying!

@@quietopinion9637 why because they say the truth

How rude!

It's true, I only joined a few days ago and I'm already suffering

lmaoo

Yes exactly! He's so well written and a more interesting character, which is sad since he's not even the main character.

Chat is my favvvvv

Exactly

Ladybug's relationship with chat noir will help him slowly but surely grow and understand the world around him in a healthier way

EXACTLY

You said it and I would love to see you rant about Gabriel. I would also love to see Gabriel forced to eat Humble pie in the show more often.

Eliza Black Jaguar 2020 same

Same

Holy crap I didn't even realize Gabriel looked like a rip off Ken from Barbie! 🤭😂

@Unknown I know this is old sorry- But, just because Gabriel has good intentions for what he does and cares about Adrien to some extent, that absolutely DOES NOT mean he isn't abusive. Isolating a child and threatening to take away the things that they love if they don't comply with your every whim IS abuse. It IS possible to be accidentally abusive. You can still be a toxic person and genuinely care about people. Abuse doesn't always mean the person doesn't care, or doesn't want someone to be hurt by something or someone. If Gabriel believes that because he's used to being isolated that it must be better for Adrien to also be isolated, then Gabriel doesn't understand that his experience isn't universal. Gabriel wanting Adrien to be safe and not in the same state as Emilie is not an excuse for Gabriel's actions. Intent rarely ever equals outcome.

Aw I’m really sorry you went through the same thing. Luckily I’ve NEVER been through that. My family is loyal! But I do understand what you’re going through, since I’ve been watching Miraculous. Just remember, you are loved and cared for, and we are all here to support you! 🥰

totally agree!! and i’m sorry that happened to you, i hope you’re doing ok now. *sends hug through internet*

Yes

You’ve changed, Ladybug! You only care about yourself! 😥

chat noir literally destroyed half of Paris.

Ladybug, we love you, but this ain’t no laughing place if you get mad at him like this!

​@@rift_right3259 uhh no that was hawkmoth??? I see you are in habit of blaming victims rather than the perpetrator

And the fact that ladybug says ‘I can’t be ladybug without him’ and I was EXPECTING Chat Noir to prove himself 😅

As Astruc puts it: “They are EQUAL, people. VERY EQUAL!”😒

@@veronicapiccinini1981 yeah he and the show always SAY they are equal, but what we are shown is very much not equal.

@@veronicapiccinini1981 and yet they don’t have equal screen time and we haven’t had ANY flashbacks for Adrien’s mother or anything 🤦‍♀️ writing 101, guys😔 (sorry, I’m not a show writer or anything but I do write a lot of Fanfiction and...that fact STILL bugs me since we’re at 3 THREE seasons and no flashbacks)

@@skydragonslayer9820 exactly 😣

everyone in miraculous yeah but not the fandom

YES FINALLY, ITS Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug AND Chat Noir NOT JUST TALES OF LADYBUG !!!!!

AT LEAST THE FANTOM GIVES HIS THE RESPECT HE DESERVES I RL WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT HE IS LOVED ALL THE FANTOM ADORES HIM AND HIS PUNS EVERYTHING

@@superrbx well in the fandom most of the people just simp for him and say that they would totally fall for him if they were ladybug. But most of them don’t pay attention to his story and character

Exactly!!!

Exactly!! I mean we have seen a class photo of her where she actually wore something different and her hair was up but honestly Adrien has gotten the more in-depth backstory & that's why everyone can get behind him. I really want to see how Marinette was before she met Alya, how did Chloe treat everyone before Alya ya know? like it's kind of implied that Mari was friendly with people but the class was too intimidated by Chloe to befriend her, say she was more of a loner and that's why she could relate to Adrien's line "I've never been to school before.. never had friends." idk them connecting to each-other through the fact they have both been lonely just would humanise them both. Season 4 I hope will give both Adrien and Marinette justice/ development.

He must live with Marinette!

And probably orphaned too in some way

And probably orphaned in some way or another. And yea imagine your father is evil 🦹‍♂️ and your mother is dead , poor adrien the hate towards him because of lukanette is so unnecessary

aw no i can just see adrien having a mental breakdown, please no my heart :(

Yeah, Adrien’s gonna be toast...and bacon...😭

Its sad truth!

@@1612ergb wdym

@@1612ergb explain????

@@Heylivecoconuggets what did he sayyyyyy

@@generalgrievous2165 comment got deleted. And I also I forgot what he said🤣

💛Jesus lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we deserve. Repent of your sins and trust in Him💜

You mean relationship wise??

Marinette is the reason Adrien was able to go to New York in the first place. I think she cares ^^

@@quietopinion9637 yes, but Nino actually helps him and comforts him

@𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓫𝓮𝓷𝓽.🎻⃢ she straight up knows his schedule for 3 years

@𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓫𝓮𝓷𝓽.🎻⃢ So.... wouldn't Adrien smell also like camembert, just like ChatNoir, and Marrinete/Ladybug would figure out his identity.

Originally, this show was suppose to be for Teens/Young adults

agree!! season 4 had really good development

When I first saw that scene in syren. I cried tears of sorrow and joy. Sorrow because Adrien felt alone. But joy when Plagg reassured him that he cares about him.

I really hate that he feels that way, just show how much lonely he is and people rarely appreciate him

@@ameliafatikhah Plagg is there for him though. He'll make sure that Adrien knows he loves and appreciates him.

@@ameliafatikhah Marinette appreciates him but at an unhealthy and cringey degree 🤦😁

@@lookmyrolls6522 correct.

Exactly the cat and ladybug miraculous are both powerful than any others as they were both born at the exact same time creation and destruction happened for the first time , the only difference is that ladybug can capture akumas

@@1612ergb yess I feel like she gets all of the credit just because she captures the akuma though they are supposed to be a team

True... but dont worry if Paris (Miraculous Lady Bug People) Do not appreciate Chat/Adrien... We the Fandom appreciate him!

Literally, like when Cat Noir was gone Ladybug can handle everything but Cat Noir can't do anything without Ladybug😐

May I remind all of you, there was a scene, I don't entirely remember where. Ladybug just waves into the camera with her yo-yo, while Cat Noir was in the back, checking on a kid with a blanket that was scared.

yup

I know right?

Preach!

right now i just Want that CPS comes and takes adrien to a better home.

That is fine and all, but fuck plagg for encouraging it.

@@superderfmen don't salt on Plagg! Leave him alone. He just wants adrien to be happy! You prick!

True Plagg loves Adrien a lot he’ll I love Plagg as well but their times he did make mistakes like not telling him about the Kwami thing in Sandboy and blaming him in Style Queen for losing his ring

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll lol apparently I’m a prick for having a different opinion.

@@huthifaali8291 I feel like Plagg purposely said those things about his Cat Noir in style Queen to rub it in Ladybug's face how she treats him. My head canon for that episode. Also he turned away from Marinette when introducing himself like he didn't give a shit about Marinette and I love that!

Me too, maybe they’ll be able to tell each other more about their personal lives since Ladybug’s the new Master of the Miraculous now

@@datmangotho9618Not sure why he hasn't already

The creator won't really make that happen and give the excuse that this is a kid cartoon. Even if they did it wouldn't change much since almost every emotion confession between the two wasn't very acknowledge for the future episode

Nah, they will never do that... Even as the new guardian of the miraculous, marinette still sees herself as just a holder.

I really do hope the heroes talk about their feelings with each other. Although, I think LB will stop CN from talking about his life, since she insists so hard on not knowing absolutely anything about each other

It hurts. 😩

no that was so awful 😭

yeah :(

but she feels like she can't because of Chat Blanc. Why can't y'all empathise with her reasonings too?? She literally 14 with the weight of protecting Paris on her shoulders and having to lie about it, while also being bullied. She needs self love too

@@quietopinion9637 Chat Noir has the exact same weight on his shoulders and is also protecting Paris The reason why it happened is because they were caught dating, not because they knew each other’s identities She is bullied!? BICC WHERE, EVERYONE LOVES HER CAUSE SHE IS JUST SO “PERFECT”

If Mari realized, she would only care abt how she was hating and rejecting her crush and almost nothing else.

To be fair, adrien didn’t know how to use it because he was impatient. And he figured it out soon after.

Ahem, let me direct you to Oblivio, and Origins, where Plagg gives a rundown to Adrien of his powers, and his emergency user’s guide in his cat-phone. Ladybug, in the battle helps him know where to use it, and even in some battles, he somehow automatically knows.

@@psychott6 Wait oblivio? You mean the episode where they lost their memories and then got them back with no recollection of the events that happened previously? I don’t think that really counts.

@@superderfmen Well, the cat-phone was a detail that was specifically mentioned in Oblivio, and it was accessible the same.

@@psychott6 I don’t mean the episode itself. I mean that most of the events and character development didn’t matter. Even the part where cat noir claimed if he could fall in love once he can do it again. He has had many realizations similar to that but no progress has been made. Although I do agree with the cat phone.

I just wish they we’re both actually equal

Yeah, Adrien would've been so much more interesting and compelling as the main character. But nope, Marinette is Astruc's prized character so I imagine he does as much as possible to give her more screen time than Adrien.

@@47ratsinahoodie I dislike her to a passion. She is creepy stalker and leans on Luka btw. Idk if you guys seen the ep where she on his bed smelling things. The shit ton of photo which is unnatural. She lies a lot and so petty to the point she cause problems. Adrien has so much depth and She is a mary sus. Nothing will get her in trouble yet she gonna call out others.

@@JazzM1357 it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion

@@JazzM1357 it's your opinion she is a kind hearted person she just has a crush for the first time like Adrian having friends for a first time stop talking that way

Right on, and I do think (hope) that the newer season will be just that.

I agree

I wouldnt say marionette isnt interesting since her character deals with anxiety and coming of age but I do think her character needs more depth and that adriens life needs to be explored more! i really really hope adrien talks to ladybug about his abusive home life and the show takes an overall more mature tone in the next season!!

To be fair, they are now going into Marinette with her trauma and stress in season 4, they've done a lot with Adrien, Mari's def gonna have a major arx

I think some of the appeal of the show is it's childlike demeanor, but I do think they can develop the mature themes of the show I a subtle way, giving the older audience what we want whilst not taking away from the unique charm of the show

fr 😭✋

LMAO

i can see it now "oh yall thought that was canon? nah✋🏾" 💀💀

FR SAKD

Lmao

Yea I wish the show could also focus on Adrien too but it's not likely that it will because technically it's a kids show and his life story may be a little too dark for children.

@@mish2637 i mean they could always just make the scenes deeper or sum so the children dont actually get it, but we do

Exactly! People call him "oblivious" but that's because of the abuse. He doesn't have good social skills because of it.

i thought it was head-on obvious from the start because of Adrian's character. He never went to New York and experience it with friends and thought that maybe he deserved it, as long as Lady bug didn't know, but since they had to keep their identities a secret, both of them didn't expect to be in New York. The fact that LB showed her disappointment to him was his fear and the fact that Paris was in danger because he didn't keep his promise made him feel like the villian. Watching the movie broke my little heart, but now it feels like their actual bond between super heroes is closer than ever.

Yeah! THIS LITTLE RAT IS GUILTY!!!! Coincidence? I think NOT!

@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 Ye he'll get arrested for : 30 years : For being Hawkmoth +10 years : For child abuse +5 years : For hiding a dead body in your basement

@@ara12129 That’d be 45 years for all these things he did.

@@ara12129 I mean he literally murders half of Paris almost every single day.. if ladybug and chat noir weren’t there, the people who were victims of the akumatized person would be gone. I say he needs more jail time 😡

@@summerthebeagle I guess, SO, HAWKMOTH YOU GONNA GO TO JAIL FOR LIFE

YEP!

I dont want both Mari and Adrien hate tbh, its kinda annoying how people compare these 2....the fandom and ESPECIALLY The writers, they frickin give Ladybug most of the spotlight than Chat noir, i wish in S4 Chat noir will get some spotlight and give poor Mari better story writing, season 3 made her evil and that leaves the fandom to hate her, THIS SHOW GETS ON MY NERVES BUT AT THE SAME TIME I LOVE THIS SHOW.....i have problems.

I think the things Adrien has done wrong "so far" in some people's minds that I can think of (not including saying "Just a Friend" to many times to count) Is : 1) Telling Marinette to take the high ground with Lila. 2) Not calling Chloe out properly on her bullying after Despair bear. 3) Not standing up for himself to Gabriel or Ladybug as much as he could. 4) Maybe he needs to make a bit more of an effort with the rest of the class friendship wise 5) Listening to Plagg's bad advice and ignoring his good advice or hints about "Girlfriends and Pigtails" 6) having his hissy fit in Syren at a dangerous time 7) Leaving town without telling Ladybug on multiple occasions. 8) Being a bit to creepy with Ladybug sometimes 9) Lying to Theo in Copycat / Being jealous 10) Being a people pleaser 11) Giving up Plagg to easily in the New York special 12) Not complaining much when Ladybug hits him 13) Being a bit dense about Marinette's crush i.e the posters in her room Things I can't blame him for are things he can't have noticed though like thinking Marinette likes Cat Noir when she's actually just being a jerk to CN behind his back. Bust essentially he's a lonely socially isolated boy, who misses his mother and is looking for a connection and & sense of family they keep getting shorted out on him so I am reasonably sympathetic to him. if I made a list of things LB / Marinette has done wrong we'd be here all night.

@@90lancaster Im just tired hearing people complaining about these characters.....i just wanna think about their positive traits and not overanalyzing or think about their negative traits too much.

@@mrtotle1285 I like to read the fluffier Miraculous Fan Fiction so I can enjoy their more positive sides. The show tends to not be giving quite so may positive vibes as often.

Yep both adrien and marinette have made mistakes and people need to understand its not their faults

MY FIRST THOUGHT. THANK YOU.

IKR IT WAS SO BLANTANTLY OBVIOUS IT HURTS 😭😭

Right I saw her and was like I'm Caption Marvel that you?

To be fair, Captain Marvel is owned by Disney and Miraculous Ladybug is also owned by Disney so...

@@tiredstudent4547 gee at this point disney is literally gonna own every media franchise 💀