Is Adrien Agreste a Sentimonster? 

I originally added this in the video, but I took it out because I thought it was too much speculation. But I think if this theory does end up being true, Felix's inclusion would make a lot of sense from a narrative standpoint. When the show was first being made, he was the original Chat Noir and was replaced by Adrien. If he has the ring that the Amok was tied to, that sort of puts him in the Chat Noir position again (if he has influence over Adrien, and by extension Chat Noir). It would also make sense why they look identical, since most of the time cousins don't look like twins. We also don't know what Felix's Father looks like, but I doubt very much that he looked like Gabriel's twin. The only way he and Adrien would look the exact same would be if their parents both looked exactly the same (and even then, genetics don't work like that). It's possible that Adrien was based off of Felix, or even the other way around (I don't think we know enough about Felix at this point to call him a Sentimonster, though). The other interesting thing about this theory is that it would fit with Adrien's overall arc. While he's learning to communicate with people and form healthy relationships, he's also learning how to stick up for himself and break away from his Father's manipulative grasp. I certainly think that even without an Amok Gabriel could very easily manipulate Adrien (which I think is what he's been doing up to this point), but with an Amok it gives him even more influence. Adrien needing to rise above a force beyond his control and break free I think would be a powerful message, since often times with abusive parents especially if feels as though you have no control (and you comply out of fear). But that's just my two cents. I don't necessarily believe that this theory is true (it has a lot of holes), I just think it's cool.

Imagine how bad this'll mess Marinette up if this is true and Adrian gets destroyed.

I will cry in pain if adrien is a sentimonster. He's a dream of every girls wants.

ASSUMING THIS THEORY IS CORRECT: Imagine what a twist it would be if when Gabriel finally gets his hand on both Miraculous, he ends up accepting the fate of his wife's death. Then, he will wish for something that fulfills Emilie's goal since the very beginning (that ultimately led to her deteriorating health), which is to humanize Adrien. By wishing his senti-son to become a real human, Gabriel will exchange his own life-Gabriel sacrificing, basically-as a sort of of payback for all the times he has restricted Adrien from freedom. Damn, what a great villain redemption it would be.

theres one problem though: uncanny vally scanned his DNA andrecognised him as human

the idea that adrien could be a sentimonster honestly just makes me sad. imagining how confused and scared adrien would be if he found out he was just a sentimonster created by his parents and not actually a human is srsly heartbreaking. i know i would be horrified if i was in that position

Adrien is not a sentimonster bc uncanny cant see magic but she saw Adrien so-

thinking about that "wishmaker" line where adrien says he has always wanted to be what his parents wanted him to be

“despite this being a children show” I bet we are all teenagers here

I love how only Bunnix knows everything that's happening in the series

I think another character who could be a sentimonster is Felix. I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to say that perhaps Omelie (Felix’s mother) attempted to create him using the peacock miraculous, and ended up killing her sister in the process. Maybe she was jealous of her seemingly perfect sister with a perfect family, and such jealous emotions manifested in Felix by making him a “darker” version of Adrien.

Just coming back here to remind you all that as of “Optigami” we’ve seen a sentimonster fully use and activate a Miraculous.

I think Felix is a senti-monster and he stole the ring for complete freedom. Hawk Moth couldn't stop him because he didn't want to risk holding the peacock miraculous at the time and falling ill..

It's a cool theory but we can't forget what show we're talking about. Thomas' writing isn't the best, and we are all witnesses.

I feel like Felix would be the sentimonster here. Felix is extremely good at fighting and basically a copy of Adrien. I think maybe Amelie was the one who couldnt have children and Emilie tried to help her by making a copy of her own son. And slowly it destroyed her causing her to fall in a coma. And the amok might be the rings which could be the reason Amelie wanted them so badly

after season 4 and ephemeral, i can’t help but believe that adrien is a sentimonster. the way adrien was trying so hard to resist being akumatized, and then gabriel suddenly touched his ring and asked if he understood, and then adrien’s face just suddenly changed completely to nothing and gave in to his father. i don’t know but that was kind of suspicious to me. i’ve seen so many people saying that adrien obeyed because he was being akumatized. but i don’t think that’s necessarily true. gabriel can’t really CONTROL his victims. i think akumitizations deepens their negative emotions (in addition, gabriel’s manipulation) so they won’t want to resist or it would be extremely difficult to resist. but if you try hard enough, you CAN resist and break free. alya resisted an akumitization. so i don’t think shadow moth can force his victims into giving into him. with that being said, it looked like adrien was doing everything in his power to break free. he REALLY didn’t want to be akumatized. i feel like if he was able to continue trying, he would have broken free. but gabriel touched his ring, and it looked like adrien was being controlled and had no choice but to give in. and the fact that the writers made sure to show gabriel touching his ring has to have some sort of significance. you can’t deny that that must be important. anyway, if you read this whole essay lol thanks.

Congratulations! your theory is CANON!! :D Is officially that Adrien, Felix and Kagami are Sentimonster. Chapter: Ladybug Season 5 Episode 24 Representation totally confirmed it ;).

it's just interesting how a sentimonster can gain consciousness and go against its master.

But if Adrien/ Chat Noir is a sentimonster... wouldn’t Nathalie then be able to recognize that Adrien is a sentimonster and when she met Chat Noir, she would automatically know it’s Adrien... I mean.. she was able to find the sentimonster Master Fu made.... shouldn’t she then be able to recognize Emily’s?

There's still one piece of conflicting evidence. In your Feast point, you've proven that sentimonsters don't age. However, in the Timetagger episode, Bunnix tells Ladybug and Cat Noir that she's from a future where they're all adults.

Wishmaker brings in the added evidence: Adrian's childhood dream was whatever his parents wanted him to be

Wait........I have a theory, what if Adrien is being kept alive from Emilie's energy and that's why she isn't consious.

"You can't kill a character on screen and act as if nothing happened" Evolt, from Kamen Rider Build: "That's where you're wrong, human."

SEASON 4 SPOILERS: I came back to this video after watching season 4 episode “Otigami” which shows that a sentimonster can use a miraculous just like a actual human. Senti-Nino just said the transformation words, and became Carapace. I just thought it was interesting that the show confirmed that sentimonsters can use miraculous.

Coming back here after Representation and damn the community really hit the jackpot on this one 😂

This comment is to pay respect to the fallen comrade, Sentibug. RIP in Pepperonis.

“Adrien....he’s the example of perfectection isn’t he”-Gabriel

I just saw the Ephemeral episode aka chat blanc 2.0 and there's this uncanny resemblance of the two episodes and that is how Adrien couldn't resist the command from his father whenever he touches his ring. Therefore, this strengthens your theory that Adrien is a sentimonster.

The fact that you predicted it, congrats🫡👍

Imagine in the final episode the way this is revealed is by Gabriel not wishing for Emilie back but wishing for Adrien back..

I think this show was originally for kids but it changed to more of a teen audience so they made it more mature

Adrien might, but Felix most definitely is. You see in the new gabriel agreste episode that he threatens Felix and raises his hand in a snap position. We also see that Mayura and hawk moth "release them from existence" by snapping. 100 percent FELIX IS A SENTIMONSTER

Aged like fine wine

My theory on why Gabriel is so "protective" over Adrian by not letting him do anything, is because he is attempting to turn his home into a farm for negative emotions by affecting Adrian or those around him with those rules. He wants to cause Adrian or his friends to get mad because he isn't allowed to do anything with them so he has more people to akumatize.

Omg if Adrien is a sentimonster it would be so sad. I feel like that would make the fan base too upset and/or confused for Miraculous to actually do it. The evidence does make sense, but it also just sounds way too crazy to believe

im back after ehpemeral 17/11/21 YUP HES A SENTIMONSTER

You missed one possible idea of who the sentimonster is based on , Felix. What if Adrian was created by his "mother's" jealousy of her twin sister's new baby ?

my question is though, Adrien has memories from when he was a kid with chloe and that they used to hang out. I mean one that could debunk the theory or two it could further prove it. Powering Adrien for that long broke the miraculous and further lead Emilie into a comatose state. It’s a really interesting theory.

If Adrien really was a Sentimonster Natalie would have noticed Somehow..

If Bunnix knows everything including what we know… are we Bunnix..?

I genuinely think she's right...this completely changes my understanding of miraculous ladybug and cat noir. It just falls into place so perfectly and now I notice all the little hints especially how His father calls him "the image of perfection"

Oooh damn, this is a real cool theory. If Adrien is a sentimonster and ends up being destroyed, do you think Marinette might take his miraculous and use her wish to make Adrien real? This has some awesome storyline potential

Greatest miraculous theory I've ever heard of, is right here

It would make sense because Adrien said he didn't remember having any dreams as a child except that he wanted to be what his parents wanted him to be and if he was a copy of the real Adrien instead of being the original he would still have the memories of when he and Felix used to play as kids.

I don't think Adrien is a sentimonster. He's too disobedient, independent and emotional. Gabriel however...😳

Wouldn't Master Fu have noticed if Adrian was a sentimonster when giving him the miraculous? He literally made one himself when he was training so he'd very likely have noticed something like that.

Him being a sentimonster would also explain the issue of Chat Blanc. He didn’t resist akumatization, which we know IS possible by what we saw with Chloe. Adrien would have 1000% fought akumatization based off our knowledge of his personality. It also explains how Gabriel would never let him outside. We never really get an explanation as to why he does it, but it would make sense.

Sad that Adrien has to obey his cruel and abusive father, under threatened that he is going to get hit by him really hard if he disobeyed his father's orders, in which is implied he had changed his personality after his wife dissapeared. Adrien feels helpless to do anything. Gabriel has no right to being mean to his son via abusing or yelling at him. He's more manically insane than Chloe! :(

Nonononono because in ephemeral (SPOLIER ALERT!!!!!) twice gabrial asks Adrian to do something that he doesnt want to do, Adrian protests, but gabriel rubs the ring and Adrian submisses. Like even attacking ladybug Adrian says father don't make me do this, IT ZOOMS IN ON THE RING WHICH GABRIEL RUBS, and Adrian submisses.!!!

I really, really hope that never happens! Adrien suffers enough in this show.

I personally think that Adrien isn’t a sentimonster because uncanny (in the New York Special) isn’t able to see magic beings but she can see Adrien

Seeing as we’ve seen a sketch of Adrien and Chloe as Toddlers in Despair Bear, I would be more inclined to believe something happened to the old Adrien, as the inability to have children would mean they’d been running the Adrien sentimonster for over a decade and facilitating growth as he becomes a teenager, which we don’t know if it’s possible or not.

I don't think Adrian is a senti monster only because cloe has memories of them from they were younger up to now unless they did something so she lost her memories of Adrian from when he died or went missing like its blank from some point in her memory and only remembers there good times from when they were little up too now but I don't really know for sure.

8:38 well DAMN. i never thought of the possibility of adrien already being DEAD😳that’d explain why gabriel doesn’t care a lot for him

I think its interesting as well- in Wishmaker, Adrien's childhood wish was to obey his parents- wouldn't that make sense if he was a sentimonster? Created to obey, to fufill a purpose? I like the idea, and if it was more realistic/backed up I think it would have a lot of potential.

It’s so sad seeing Sentibug die... gets me every time. I couldn’t imagine what the characters would go through if Adrien turned out to be one. It’s an interesting theory, but ultimately one that I think is too complicated, and honestly, rather dark, for this show.

i am absolutely terrified about this theory but it makes so much sense... also imagine how messed up adrien would be if he found out hes a sentimonster

Why would Adrien's mother be smiling at death or when she fainted. I feel when she died it was in the joy of having her son living a happy life sentimonster or not. The feather makes sense if it is in the ring, some may say if Adrien's mother did die Adrien should disappear but we have proof that senimonsters/akumas can say alive when the owner is not alive or detransformed or even when the miraculous is given to someone else.

Didnt take this theory as a while too seriously, after watching Mega Leech I’m really starting to question it.

Something I dont understand is when did whatever's happened to Adrian's mother actually happen because Gabrial says hes been waiting 15 years to bring her back but in the Christmas episode Nathalie says "This is also Adrian's first Christmas without his mother" indicating that whatever happened to her happened only 1 year ago not 15

One more piece of evidence of Adrien being a sentimonster that is often overlooked is that ladybug and hawkmoth don't have any ladybug or moth traits yet Adrien can purr and has shown other cat-like quality almost like the magic of his miraculous is having a greater effect on him which would make sense if he was a sentimonster because he would be made up of magic and therefore more effected by his miraculous magic.

i think he is an actual human. It would be a totally cool plot twist if he did end up being a sentimonster, but I don’t think he is. Here’s why: You mentioned how sentimonsters don’t seem to age. In Timetagger, we see adult Chat Noir (who is Adrien) This obviously means that Adrien ages into an adult, which contradicts the whole sentimonsters dont age thing, therefore he can’t be a sentimonster as he is capable of aging.

I didn’t realize how hyped I would feel just thinking about Emily Agreste’s plot

Hmm I wonder if Gabriel has ever heard of a hospital like he could take his wife instead of trying to get the ladybug and cat miraculous

I’ve heard this theory a few times, and it always makes me sad, because that means there’s a chance that Adrien could cease to exist. I think your theory of the original Adrien having died prior to the show would make more sense than him just being created from nothing in my opinion, because he and Felix have childhood memories of being close, so he had to have existed prior to the show at some point, as there doesn’t seem to be an explanation as to why Felix and his mother would acknowledge Adrien as having always been there. I always thought Adrien was perfect and good at everything because he’s a forced recluse, and probably spent more time learning new skills out of boredom and loneliness, but it totally makes sense that Gabriel would design a perfect child - it’s super on brand for him, because he rubs me as being conceited and a type to want things to be just right. My theory was just always that Gabriel and Felix’s dad looked identical, even though I know it’s highly unlikely. It is proven that if identical twins marry identical twins, their children could come out identical or scarily alike, there was a whole segment on this talk show about why doctors advise people not to do it. (I believe one of the kids could also be ill, which could also help with the theory of Adrien having passed before.) There’s an article about this happening, and a different set of cousins on tiktok are identical as well because their parents are two sets of identical twins. The only difference is one having a looser curl pattern, and I think that’s more to do with styling. Even with this evidence, it is still a very rare occurrence, but I don’t think it’s rare enough for Thomas to not know about it. This is probably the least likely theory, but it keeps me from overthinking it haha. However, as fun as speculation and fan theory is for us all, I don’t think there IS an explanation for why Felix and Adrien look identical. (And if there is, it’ll probably take us forever to get the answer.) Because the target audience for mlb is children, I find it more likely that Felix and Adrien look identical simply because and no other reason. Throwing Felix in as a head nod to the original was probably just easy to do, because they felt like kids wouldn’t question it/care. (As most children’s shows tend to think.) I do kind of hope it’s addressed in the show, because I think Adrien was just placed in to be more likable / approachable for the kids, but it would be really nice if they would stop treating him like a simple side character and expand on his life. I really love hearing and sharing fan theories like this. It makes our community feel welcoming!

What if Adrien is a sentimonster, and at some point in the series Marinette will use both Ladybug's and Cat's miraculous to make him a human?

what if emilie was the one who created adrien so if she dies, he vanishes as well and that’s why gabriel is so desperate. EDIT: and what if the reason why he has free will is because she’s not conscious to control him ?? :0 EDIT EDIT: and the reason he looks SO similar to felix is because that’s really the only familial reference they had to create him??

Another proof that Adrien was made to be perfect and he gets everything right on the first try might be that in episode reflecdoll he wanted to get a mirror as a lucky charm, and to ladybug’s surprise, he actually got it

Idk, something doesn't sit right with me if he's a sentimonster

I thought this theory was way far fetched until I listened to all the reasoning and evidence. Now I think it’s completely possible

I'm so glad you mentioned Chat Blanc's cataclysm because that stuck out to me too. I'd definitely say the mental state he was left in checks off the box of what he'd be like if he went beserk from the attack too

I remember in the beginning of the show when everyone started to speculate that Hawkmoth was Gabriel Agreste and i was like, no, it would be too obvious and would make the show less interesting... And turns out that, well...

When a senti-monster is cataclysmed, pieces of the monster break apart all over its body forming cracks. On top of that, the monster loses all sense of reason going berserk. When Adrien was cataclysmed he did not go berserk and did not break apart. Yes, it's possible that while he is cat noir he is somewhat immune but I believe that de-transforming back to Adrien would cause some problems (after losing the protection of his magical suit) while still under the effects of cataclysm.

I always thought that if Gabriel agreste had the ultimate power from the two miraculous and made the wish to bring emelie out of her coma, adrien would fall into one because of how the wish needs balance, so like a loved one for a loved one

Came back here after watching the latest episode. A lot of people were linking this theory onto that.

I belive he is a sentimonster, but only now after Ephemeral

STOP I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS WAS A THEORY IM FREAKING OUT ITS SUCH A GOOD ONE WTH

It's not possible for Adrien to be a sentimonster, he known Chloe since he was a toddler so he couldn't have been made around Emilie's Death

1- I hope Adrien isn't a sentimonster 2- the miraculous broke when master fu used it

I wouldn’t say Adrien himself is a sentimonster. But there is something very deep and dark within the Agreste family that will eventually come to fruition. Something that’ll stir very shaky emotions within Adrien to a dangerous point. There have been some theories that he may even become the next Hawkmoth.

even if adrien isnt a sentimonster im sure the idea of sentimonsters having free will is going to be majorly important in some other way

To contradict: Nathalie would have sensed that Adrien is a Sentimonster as she sensed Feast in Feast. Also, the creater of the Sentimonster has to be awake, and Emilé is not. Felix and Adrien are the same age/height so it would be weird if they created a Sentimonster that looked like Felix as a baby when some babies look the same when they are born. To agree: No one talks about in the Adrien fragrance commercial, Adrien walks through feathers VERY similar to a Peacock one (I've been wanting to say this for the longest).

Someone down below made a good point. Adrian means dark while Felix means lucky. Hmmm. I have this gut feeling that Felix will be the new chat noir.

the best plot in most shows is when the whole fandom was fighting on who is a sentimonster (example) and it ended up being super unexpected by most of the fandom. but you know I'll see where this go

If Adrien is a sentimonster it would ruin the whole storyline imo.

In the NY special, uncanny valley couldn’t recognize and understand the akuma because it was magic, yet she could see adrien just fine. So, more evidence it isn’t true I guess

Adding on to this theory, Adrien may be a sentimonster. We saw in the episode where Mayura made a senti-labybug, she was perfect nothing monster-like in here, just like Adrien.

i’m back after risk part one and… looks like this was right all along !

This evidence is VERYYY good but, adrien remembers his child hood with Chloe and that was many years before. We know that emilie went into a coma or whatever happened to her only a year before.

Whenever Natalie was transforming all I said was “Dussuu YEET my glasses” lol

honestly I don't know what to think anymore after ephemeral

adrian being a sentimonster would be incredible and perfect it'd explain just so much

i think it’s interesting how in one of the episodes, gabriel says to ladybug, “my son is the image of perfection.” and kagami while akumatized said to chat noir: “adrien is perfection personified” just found this interesting, that maybe emily made adrien to be perfect? i just finished the video and realised she covered this, but the point still stands.

I swear if Adrien is a sentimonster then I’m ending life like Fr Fr LOL

I believe that perhaps he was terminally ill or extremely injured, so Emilie made him perhaps part sentimonster, and that's what is keeping him alive. Idk just a thought lol

My theory is that years ago Emilie and Gabriel can't have a kid for some reason so Emilie used the peacock miraculous to create Adrien (as a baby since sentimonsters can grow up) and put the amok in the twin rings or somewhere hidden. And since the peacock miraculous was cracked or mysteriously cracked after creating Adrien she went into a coma. Also Emilie possibly didnt tell Gabriel that Adrien is a sentimonster and just a miracle that they had a baby. And another thing, if Gabriel knew that Adrien was a sentimonster, then maybe he kept Emilie alive in a coma because if she dies, then Adrien would maybe dissapear since Emilie was the one who created Adrien.

*Totally* not me saying nope! *Adriekens is not a sentimonster* 👁️👄👁️

I'm a Adrien/Chat Noir fan and never deny the many flaws you can easily see in Adrien Agreste.

Well this aged well

Its crazy how spot on this was