The year is 2043. Louis rossmann has finally taken the decorations off of this tree, and is hopeful to have it on the curb in the coming year. Trump and Biden are both running for president somehow. Apple releases the iPhone 7,454. The entire back and front of the phone is just various cameras.
All chips and hardware are cast into a solid block of shatterable gorrilla glass 12 and Apple exects are on stage claiming they're saving the atmosphere from rising another 8 degrees C by using no screws or glue.
Biden won't be alive in 2025 much less 2043. I'm not sure I will be alive in 2043, having had two strokes in 2016, I'm already past the time most people survive strokes, by the way.
"I have gotten 4 laws passed on right to repair in 3 states over the past 2 years with less than $1 million. Do you wanna see what I can do when I have an additional 3 zeros on my budget? Because I think it would be a lot of fun." this line goes absolutely RAW. long live GJ and screw google lmaoo
@@southernguy35 crazy that you make an opinion of someone so easily with the little amount of effort you put in to do research. It's called the Ring Protect Plan and it does exist.
Indeed, fund the every man who’s of the people for the good of the people, tribune. Though government policies subject to the amount of wealth and influence one puts in is anathema to what we need.
@@rossmanngroup btw I guess congratulations for making me cancel my YT premium ;) I was a member since YT red days but after I tested "redectaded" for a month I came to the conclusion that I am better of with a third party app then paying for premium.. and for me it wasn't about saving a buck. User experience tops everything. Looking forward to what's still to come :)
@@that_dam_baka YT is threatening Louis over [redacted] app that let's you follow creators across all platforms instead of having to deal with various algorithms and hope you see what you want to watch. YT doesn't let you say the app's name, so it's like the bird "blue jay", but if it was "Grey" and not blue, and the bird's name was one word.
That used be the case years ago, most consumers understood that they can easily move between platforms and chat apps etc. As such platforms knew this thus they had remain innvovative and consumer friendly to retain as well gain more customers. But these days? nope, people have gotten lazy and many, many have lost basic critical thinking skills. That combined with very poor short term and long term memory....
"I have gotten four laws passed on Right To Repair in three states over the past two years with less than one million dollars. Do you *want* to see what I can do when I have an additional three zeroes on my budget?" Holy SHIT. 🔥🔥🔥
The lines “I have gotten four laws passed on right to repair in three states over the past two years with less than $1 million.” and “Do you wanna see what I can do with an additional three zeros on my budget?” are absolutely brutal! Keep up the awesome work, Louis!
Mr. Rossman, your legacy will live forever in hearts of everyday common folks who don’t have courage/time/energy to stand up against greedy corporations. History will never forget that you stood taking the heat for us. You’re the hero we need but don’t deserve. Huge respect and sincere thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Typical Google: -Stock legal letter. -Not actually looking into things. -Scare tactics. -Anti-competitive. If you take them to court, you'll take them to the cleaners. I hope you do too because I'm so sick of big corporations throwing their weight around to suppress everyone else.
the issue with that is they have enough money to drag the case out until he runs out of money making him give up before he got a chance to win. plenty of people have had solid cases.. they just know google would bully them into debt instead of doing the right thing. Edit: oh shit shouldnt have posted before the video ended.. hes got the power lol
@@MR-nl8xr He owns a(or multiple, not sure) tech repair shop and he made an app that Google/RU-vid are not happy about, where you can see and support all your twitch, youtube, and rumble creators through one nifty app (GrayJay)
My grandfather taught me to repair EVERYTHING. From plumbing and small engines to hvac and electronics, all the way back to fixing the hand tools that help us make our repairs. He instilled the right to repair in me, thank you for continuing to fight for all of us. Making small talk over board repair and satriani through the late night has kept my spirit up over the years. Again, thank you.
@@rossmanngroup I liked the small talk over board repair more than the driving, even if I'm in a niche by myself with that. But I also like they way your channel is going. Keep up the good fight!
If they are foolish enough to light the fuse on that legal battle. Then they truly underestimate our willingness to support Louis. As well as how many people they have pissed off.
oh guys...nobody there cares. nobody there has any personal responsibility. if at all they are wasting company money...and nobody cares about that. on the contrary, the legal team WANTS such a case...they get payed well for it.
@@TNM001 Good to know we have a fucking optimist. You know that groups of people with your mentality are the reason nothing fucking changes? *You* may not care, and in which case I hope you enjoy owning nothing, having the ability to create and be financially successful be removed as an option, and always work for people that destroyed the ladders to where they stand while actively looking to replace you with a machine. But you don’t speak for everyone, so enjoy not caring about shit that matters while others choose to not care about you. You live in a world where doing nothing will result in the majority being on a leash while turned against each other in a dog fight ring while kept into submissive poverty. Change ain’t fast, but it happens if you try in at least 60% of cases, and that’s enough to want to try. Louis has succeeded more in his efforts for right to repair than anyone, and has had people to help him reach that point, so go huddle in a corner and speak for yourself.
@@TNM001 And THERE you describe the single greatest flaw in the US (OK, after the primary system ... and after the electoral college ...). The over representation of lawyers making huge $$$ in society and choosing socially bad outcomes.
@@capnkirk5528 we have alot of issues, but the electoral college ain't one of them, without it you could rule the country by reducing the education level in high population areas and then offering free handouts as bribes for votes while ignoring 90% of the rest of the country, oh why does this sound so incredibly familiar 😂
@@bender9000 before the rise of social media 2007, but certainly early 1990s through about 2003. You know way back when your software didn't need to geolocate you in order to run.
@@jetfire245 - yes. I pray you were alive to experience the early days of decentralized BBS, IRC, etc. The singular context of only knowing the status quo of being Big Tech's 'Consumer Cow' would be a horrible fate.
@@southernguy35 What you did to him is spell his name wrong. Louis not Lewis Lewis was the last nome of a famous chemist that came up with one of several definitions for acid and base.
Because there are always going to be troubles with those who celebrate Christmas. Do you remember what happened after Christmas? 14,000 babies were sworded. So it's best to prepare for anything.
My father taught me as a child "Don't go starting fights...but if someone starts a fight with you, go ahead and finish it." Glad to see this mentality is still alive and well in others.
@@justcommenting4981 nothing is worth physical violence besides self defense. Humans have a right to their bodies and you should never intentionally put your hands on someone else without consent or in violence unless it is to take back your own right to bodily autonomy when attacked. Someone else could probably say it in a much shorter and better way but that’s what my own philosophy is on the first rule
As always, I learned something. Louis is going Super Saiyan on bullies. The more bullies he defeats the stronger he becomes. He hasn't reached his final form yet, so watch out!
If it comes to a lawsuit, I will donate, no questions asked. You're frankly our only real hope this days and you are, for sure, the right fit for this hard job. Thank you for your service, from the bottom of my heart. Keep it up and take care !
@@rossmanngroupyou may want to advertise the app to Odin wolf. Both there channels were deleted for 1 having adult content, which, they tagged appropriately. They seem like the exact market of content creators for the app.
@@michaelm1 I, for one, would love to have Mr. Rossman include the quote, "If you're looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you." in one of his responses!
Quick, if not slightly approximative, origin story. - Rich philanthropist hires Louis to be the director of FUTO. - FUTO created an app named [REDACTED] that allows people to follow their favorite creators on whatever platform they may be on, as opposed to their favorite creators' RU-vid or twitch accounts, which have proven to be vulnerable to arbitrary instant death when the platforms don't like something they said - RU-vid is crapping their pants at the idea that [REDACTED] facilitates the migration of content creators to other platforms, thus them sending the laughable C&Desque letter - but our new superhero, RossMann, has funds for his superheroic acts now, and no customer exploiting corporate bullies will stand in his path
Downloaded the app. Thank you Louis for helping to bring this app to us, but an even BIGGER thank you to RU-vid for signal boosting it to millions more by way of their braindead actions! 👌
It's only bad luck if you take it down past the 12th day of Christmas. However I found a loophole if you keep them up until next Christmas, you can try again without any unfounded luck worries imposing you.
Thing that comes to mind is malicious compliance. They very well might be trying to keep everyone safe, but at the expense of everyone else's rights and wellbeing.
People upload their videos, RU-vid hosts them but then tries to inject advertising, people figure out workarounds. It’s nothing but data, after all. Google doesn’t own any of it & we don’t need to play “make believe” that they do have any ownership.
Perfect timing with RU-vid rolling out double ad breaks at the beginning of videos. As in watch 5 seconds, skip adS have to watch another 5 seconds, skip adS or double unskippable ads.
RU-vid managers - "People seem to be blocking ads for some reason... I know what will fix this.... Quickly. Double the ads!" Me - "I didn't mind when it was 1 ad and you shared the revenue. Maybe try that again?"
It's been revealed that it's working. They're driving hoards of people to pay for premium because the ad supported version is utterly intolerable. Subscriptions have become much more profitable than ad revenue on YT.
Who paid you to make all these comments @@southernguy35? You going awfully hard for someone that don't care for Louis. I'm sure you got something better to do.
@@CreativityNull Zero effort. Fully automated message. Someone got buttblasted and pressed the big button that said "send scary letter," put in the email address, and it automatically sent a form letter trying to be as intimidating as possible. Human review does not exist on this website.
It baffles me how lazy the anti-trust, anti-monopoly agencies are in the USA. Maybe I'm ill informed on what they do quietly, or that it tends to be tech news that I follow, but a case against Microsoft almost 30 years ago over IE, then some concerns more recently over them buying Activision Blizzard. Finally going after Google over ads is I suppose positive, but will wait and see what the outcome of that will look like. Not exactly a stellar list of cases. Then the fines if anything, mean so little to those companies that could be called a rounding error. One upside is that it makes what the EU is doing or trying to do, look pretty impressive in comparison. Not just that they can have multiple cases going on at the same time, but when it gets to issuing a fine, it can be up to 5 or 10% of yearly revenue, not just profit
I'm honestly glad that they stand up but like Louis said in the video, he has enough money to back himself up in court. Many projects don't have that same blessing. And when taking on legal battles money is a requirement because lawyers are expensive.
Knew they'd try this. They'll come at you from any and every angle they can to see what they can make stick. Love your reply, Louis. Absolutely fantastic. With you all the way (I have my paid copy of GJ).
And with 2 million subscribers, and lots of dedicated views, google is certain to take notice. They'll need to have a few 7:30 AM meetings to discuss how to deal with a stick that just got stuck in their eye.
Smell that? Smells like freedom! Looks like the biggest FAFO video I have seen in awhile and man I am here for it. Thank you Louis Rossmann for all you have done and will do in the name of the little guy.
Wait, so they accuse you of using their tools to make your stuff without proof? So this initial letter was a scare tactic? Yeah, that sounds about right for what they will do. Don't take down the "bad" stuff but focus on any possible competition.
Sounds like what most lawsuits and legal letters do. And most people can't afford to challenge them even if there is a decent enough consumer protection in place.
they want him to self incriminate bc they don't know how he did what he did. It's a common practice to get ppl to explain stuff by holding a threat if you don't cooperate or protection as a reward if you do. both times are blatantly lies.
@@TemmiePlays I think the best move would have been to totally ignore them. What are they going to do, insist the court go after him, with 0 evidence? While he has the SOURCE CODE available publicly? Wouldn't that just turn into a payday for him, since they could go after Google Inc for damages, defamation, legal fees, and oh yeah, remuneration for all the wasted time on blatantly purposefully wasteful court cases designed to intimidate and tie him up in court, essentially intending to weaponize the legal system itself with wealth.
If the people, government, local companies, lawyers, or national corporations make you sign a document or use a shrink-wrap contract on you, then YES, you are told how you must live your lives or be punished according to TOS or contract terms. As an example how local companies can direct how your future life must be lived, in my state, a number of local companies put non-compete clauses into the employment contract that lasts up to three years after you are no longer employed at the company. For example, you can be forced to never work for a competitor up to 3 years. Greedy companies tried to change no-compete to last five years, but that was struck down in our state supreme court.
@@naekosl3059sad reality ey? And the thing that annoys me is that it's either A or B, but there's no option for C because it's either underdeveloped, or doesn't exist, so you need to either use A or B just so you can get by, but if you do so you're tied to whichever binding agreements they're laying out for you to comply with, and freedom is perceived instead. There's no real freedom anymore unless you're a rogue villain in the story of time and space
If nothing else the Electronic Fronteer Foundation might also be interested in getting in on this action. They are spearheading other rights to repair lawsuits
"An additional three zeros..." That is absolutely the way to give them the necessary sense of scale. A near peer contest, as the military would put it.
Just put on a sportsball game and they will get fired up... about the game. They don't really seem to care about their entire country being ruined though.
@@kabirkumar5815 i'm trying, but fellow conservatives call me retarded as well because they aren't really open-minded either. They just want their bread-and-circus
@@witherschatHmm, libertarians have been telling me that regulations actually tend to create monopolies. One example David Knight, a libertarian said on his podcast was how the big banks would lobby for banking regulations that smaller rural banks couldn't comply with because they lacked the money that big banks had/and still have so they folded and were bought by the big banks. And then these same banks would lobby to have those regulations eased after they gobbled up the competition. The same happened with the big department and warehouse store chains. The mom and pop shops could not comply with the regulations because they didn't have the money. And there are other crony capitalist moves like bailouts for the rich whenever a big corporation is on the verge of bankruptcy or the PPP (Public-Private Partnership) or DARPA directly or indirectly funding the creation of the internet, FB, Google, Twitter and other ventures. We don't live in a free market system because we don't have a limited government. That is why lobbying is a career job just like being a politician.
@Aquatarkus96 Do you think that Citizens United gave corporations and unions the ability to give money to federal political candidates? Because it didn't. That's the only way I can see someone making a statement like "money isn't speech" in regards to Citizens United. The case actually involved a group that was prevented from broadcasting a political attack against a candidate. The people who wanted to retain this right of censorship attempted to reduce it to a question of money since obviously almost everyone would have to pay in order to get their message out, but at the end of the day, it really was about speech and the ability to get a particular message out. Using the same "money isnt speech" reduction, you could pretty much censor any type of political speech you wanted from just about anyone you wanted outside of direct person to person speech since pretty much anything, including what i am typing to you right now, could be argued is spending money on political speech since I paid for internet access to be able to post this comment which is discussing politics. It could get very ugly very fast if people you disagree with were the ones who got to decide what counts and what doesn't.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 From the moment they're lobbying, it's the money making the rules. If they have that power, they already have an effective monopoly. It's the same thing as dropping your price and selling at a loss to drive competition out before getting them back up. If they can do that, they are in practice a monopoly. The problem here isn't regulations, it's the fact that you can buy regulations with money. Another issue with the American economy that can be traced back to Reagan.
I was wondering why you took the video down. Just another example of big brother and his friends making it harder for the little guy. Side note, I absolutely love using GrayJay. Thank you!!!
@@rks9612 Louis helped make an app that unites a creators accounts into one place with no ads and free video downloads. RU-vid took it as a threat and got rid of the video
If anyone ever asks me how does "Chaotic Good" looks like... this. That's how it looks. Threats? No... but, if you'll inconvenience me enough I'll might just become the president and change some laws to specifically target you for the next century. You want petty? I guarantee you'll not out-petty me. Seriously now, if not for Louis, it would be even worse. So, thank you Louis, for trying to make this cesspool of a planet somewhat more bearable for the rest of us.
I was always irritated by the kids playing Chaotic and thinking it meant they could do whatever they wanted to. I've always thought it had more to do with deliberate *refusal* to follow law/order, which Mr. Rossman doesn't really exhibit.
This! This not not a villain arc, oh no sir.. this is a Vigilante arc. Louis is the freaking Batman of NYC! He's got the money, resources and most importantly he WILL throw punches at the corporate shmucks if he has to. Real bad ass! Thank you for doing what do you.
The Streisand effect is quite powerful! Before watching this video I had never heard of FUTO, but now I'm sitting here thinking this Grayjay thing seems pretty dope.
thats not the Streisand effect.. thats when someone trys to hide something making more people aware and curious about said thing having the opposite intended effect. this is just you hearing about something in a video and being curious about it.
@@fatfurie it’s closely related at least. YT tried to stop grayjay and because of that the news about it spread more than if it would’ve just been an announcement about it existing or something. that’s basically the same effect. sending a cease and desist letter is the same thing a trying to censor something, even if the thing is code
You're about to discover why there hasn't been dozens of video platforms when the technology, methodology, and hosting space to do so is solid. America's anti-trust laws are not enforced.
You're the single reason I've started paying more attention to the use of my own data. Thanks for every you're doing and will do to prevent companies from f'ing us over!
Nah, New York itself will get rid of any superhero who is sane through high rent prices and asinine bureaucracy and laws. You need to be a deluded nationalist to defend the USA's capital of gross income per capita with some of the highest taxes, yet also a rapidly growing homeless population, crime rates, and worsening infrastructure. And the only superhero who fits the "deluded nationalist" branding is Captain America himself.
I mean they dont learn about any black history so why would they learn about rossman. Slavery and Black figures in history are a fraction of the books and you think rossman has done more then they have? get perspective you fucking dweeb.
You're an inspiration Louis, I wholeheartedly agree with your stance on right to repair, and to be perfectly honest, I would have been largely unaware of the issue if it weren't for stumbling across your channel however many years ago. Your comment on seeing yourself doing more than looking for PM_SLP_S4_L in the future really resonated with me, it makes me really happy to know you're not going to give this up. You have so many huge qualities that benefit your objective namely in terms of your charisma, care, ability to string your thoughts into words, and of course, your background in independent repair that makes you the pinnacle of the right person in the right place for what you're fighting for. I hope you never give this up, you're a legend Louis!
A star is born! You worked your way from reparing people's things at the park to opening your own business and giving the middle finger to NY's finest. Now you're at your peak mentally and phyiscally, and you're tired of watching the bad guys always win. Thank you for taking them on, most of us will never reach your status. However, the few that will should follow in your steps, and remember to fight for those who can't defend themselves, for someday we'll need someone to lean on. The way we move forward in every aspect of making our country better, is by uniting with one another against the oligarchs that have taken over everything. The power of ONE, I used to think it referred to just one person, but now I realize it means the "power of unifying as one".
I think Louis should contact the Institute for justice And start a go fund me for these legal battles that he will clearly win Great job Louis keep up the good work
Thanks for updating us on the matter. We live in a dystopian nightmare and I dont make enough money to fight these poli-corpo psychopaths. Im grateful that you have the resources and patience to stand in the gap.
I trust your products, not out of blind faith, but so far what I've seen, everything you've promoted is the best on the market. The privacy concerns are just a bonus. Please keep up this work. It is so needed.
I enjoyed how you also mentioned that you got laws passed therefore making this video political free speech. This means that if YT tries to take this video down, they expose themselves to an Anti-SLAPP lawsuit. Not quite a 4D chess move but getting pretty close.
Actually in chess, the 3rd and 4th dimension are swapped. Chess can be played on a 2d plane across time (technically 3 dimensions) And so adding a z-axis to the move set (3d) is what brings the total to 4 dimensions.
Well, a monopoly for trains which is strictly regulated would be better than dozens of trains company actually. Imagine checking which set of dozens of track is all at once cheap, safe, and gets you where you want in a timely manner. While we only either need a single set of well maintained tracks. With high value ones allowing the maintenance, at a loss, of non-profitable trains, but still extremely convenient and essential for isolated towns. Monopoly / Buzzword = bad is a dangerous shortcut. Of course feel free to denounce any monopoly that is abbusive, but not "because it's a monopoly". Gotta scratch the surface. I believe we have a similar problem about energy. But that's all for a youtube comment !
@@norfemignissius4936 The railroads operate on each other lines and pay use fees when they do. Surely we can make multiple trains operate on the same sets of lines we currently have. We do this with planes already.
I live in Europe and we have our own laws and ways to handle this sort of issues. However considering how big, influential and dominating big tech companies are, what they do overseas tends to tickle down across the ocean and affects the rest of the world more often than not. That is why i think your cause is so important as you are fighting for "all" the people. For that i sincerely thank you.
It does trickle down to Europe, but slowly the EU is doing the same and it trickles down to the US A story as old as time, gargantuan bureaucracies will always win against gargantuan companies, and at least in some regards the EU bureaucracy is less incompetent when it comes to privacy and ownership rights
@LudwigVaanArthans you are right. I am thankful that although present, lobbying isn't as effective in Europe. That and the entire bureaucracy machine is hindered by the individual country laws, local lobbies and political self-interest. However social media is slowly eroding the younger generations making all of us overall more accepting and tolerant of the violation of our rights and privacy. And it is happening across many other industries other than big tech such as the most basic infrastructure, food production. Agriculture is being high jacked from so many fronts that farmers can't keep up. From rights to repair issues on equipment to patented seeds, from legislation to supermarket chains artificially manipulating prices. At the end of the day, it's a consequence of big conglomerates violating our rights and limiting our choices in the name of profits and self-interests.
Unfortunately, the EU has it's own issues with fascism ("corporatism" if you prefer, or even "Chinese State Capitalism"). I vaguely recall an absolute farce of EU regulation regarding Intellectual Property where individuals were stripped of their rights in some fashion, while the "regulators" favored their benefactors ... Of course, I can't find it any longer due to my search results of "EU scandal" being flooded with results. 😆
Europe hasn't yet seen the day that legislation used as a means of fixing the problems facing the common man does more harm than good. But that day is coming.
You know the feeling of inspiration you get when, near the end of a story, the hero gets a second wind and manages to believably outsmart and overcome impossible odds? This gives me the same vibes. Louis, you're a god-damned modern hero in the making. Fuck'em with a rake, we're all rooting for you!
Hey Louis, I don't know wether you'll read my random Comment but I want to let you know, that for the past 9 Years of my life I have followed your Advice in Life which slips trough every video of yours and I have learned so much about strenght and determination, will and patience aswell as reignited my own inner fire to finally get my life going. All that wouldn't be possible without the most important tip (for me) you have said: Be brave enough to trash and admit that you destroyed something you build, only then you will be able to move on and learn, grow and prosper from your experience. I have to thank you for a lot and appreciate your living spirit - you are a gift and you help people to strenghten their inner self! I am grateful for all that I have learned from you and wish you all the best in the world - you really, rightfully deserve good.
Way to go! Glad to see someone finally sticking it to Google for the sake of content creators and users. For those of us who can't donate to the development of and other FUTO projects - what can we do? I guess sharing and spreading the word would be a start...
"I have gotten 4 laws passed on right to repair in 3 states over the past 2 years with less than $1 million. Do you wanna see what I can do when I have an additional 3 zeros on my budget? Because I think it would be a lot of fun." That line went hard AF!
I use GJ and reVanced everyday. I actually prefer ReVanced cuz I only watch RU-vid and the UI is better there. But GJ already has a special place in my heart ❤️ tks guy for the great work!
I applaud you, Louis. Your determination to expose and fight the actions of these corporations is making the world a better place, you can rest assured your work will have an impact. Keep fighting. 💪
@@briansmyla8696yeah unfortunately, but honestly I take what I can get. The ideal is obviously everyone bottom-up revolting and striking against the owning class but yeah
I will support you from mexico and seek support everywhere in my country for this cause whenever needed. You are not alone. Greedy companies need to find other ways to keep existing. This way they want to impose only fosters stagnation and corruption.
The fact that you still have your Christmas tree up with all the lights and bells and whistles a month later in early 2024 shows just how relatable you are even to the average people you fought their rights to repair for.
Honestly, the title reads to me like the usual "youtuber apology", so I was weirded out and didn't know what to expect going in. Glad to see you're doing good, Louis! Good luck with this one!
This is hilarious, Rossman's challenging RU-vid. With the scummy way RU-vid has been acting I hope he wins. If he does the old days of RU-vid will likely return I look forward to this!
Do you expect RU-vid to be un-sold to Google, somehow? The one thing that could happen is that the platform becomes marginally better in one characteristic, like making ads have 5% less malware or some shit: enough to appease the users, not enough to fix core issues present.
@@nathanjohnson7290 Walking requires having legs. RU-vid has semi-amputated tentacles in that analogy. Sure, you can make it take a "step", but it won't ever really "walk" as much as it will crawl senselessly in different directions (or, more concretely, it will crawl in the direction of profit). The core business model, structure and organization of RU-vid is corrupt. There's no real fixing it without building it from the ground up. RU-vid won't start caring about their creators more than about their money no matter what creators do, because earning (or, not losing) money is RU-vid's core incentive. Google won't stop selling data they collect on you to advertisers without stopping to exist, because that's literally their business model. Yes, YT can fix SOME issues present without completely changing. Making ads have a little more quality-control would be something doable. Not constantly harassing their creators would be something doable. But at the core, RU-vid must hold interests opposite to their users due to the nature of the economic system it resides within (capitalism). As long as exploitation is incentivized, exploitation will occur.
