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When you have a cold weapon, a toxin progenitor, a heat mod, and an electric ability bonus, what damage types do you get? This video explains simply how every basic damage type combines in ALL circumstances.
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@TheKengineer 2 года назад

What alternative phrase would you use to represent HCET?

@hummuslord6521 2 года назад

Holy cow, extreme tacos

@hummuslord6521 2 года назад

Hey, Can Equinox Tank?

@hummuslord6521 2 года назад

Horny Crabs Enter Tunisia

@Halbostfriese 2 года назад

Hek, Clem eats tortillas?!

@v1k37 2 года назад

I knew about HCET but "Harrow chasis everytime" got me rolling 🤣🤣

@hexale9039 2 года назад

I never knew this HCET thing existed,thank you for explaining it so well

@Nobody_Nowhere_Never 2 года назад

I knew about HCET, but gave up trying to figure it out in my head. Your chart is magnificent. Since the lich improvements I've been getting magnetic progenitor weapons and adding viral and maybe heat to everything. Probably not optimal, but it's super efficient.

@MsQueenOfDance 2 года назад

I got a good giggle out of "Harrow Chassis Every Time"

@excaliburprime1801 2 года назад

10 years of war frame and always learn something new from your videos. Amazing.

@hummuslord6521 2 года назад

Thank you for all of your hard work over the years Kengineer! Me and my WF friends all place you as our favorite Warframe content creator. I'm taking a brief break from WF for elden ring, but I'll be sure to keep tuning in for updates whenever you post new vids!

@kittentamer2164 2 года назад

HCET is the reason Thermal Transfer is tricky to take advantage of for saving elemental mods. Due to HCET you have to go very out of your way to stop Blast from forming. You have to run Electric or Toxin mod to override HCET even if you have innate toxin or electric. It's so annoying. It can be reaallly fun tho, when you find good weapons and frames to take advantage the swapping on the fly.

@SaxPanther 3 месяца назад

I just discovered this today when I had no idea about HCET and was really confused about why Thermal Transfer was giving me unexpected damage types.

@tazgr33ngames95 Год назад

"Harrow chassis everytime" got me XD

@Malysitos 2 года назад

Honestly, I don’t really watch these for the Warframe content anymore, I just come here for the funny quips and to listen to that delicious voice that elaborates on Warframe’s quirks and spaghetti code

@Reavenant 2 года назад

This video should be made by the DE long time ago and posted on their main channel for all to understand. Great job!

@SlyI42 13 дней назад

2:43 every damn time😭 This guy is so smart, I'm glad I found this channel.

@sarvashaktimaan7106 Год назад

"This is something everyone learns pretty early on as it's so fundamental" Me with 495 hours played finding this video while specifically looking how elemental mod order actually combines.

@aggammer3485 2 года назад

I want to point out 2 things: 1) Saryn's toxic lash doesnt add toxin damage, just forced toxin procs 2) When 2 elements combine, the "emojis" the parenthesis are always presented in the HCET order, so blast for example will always appear as (heat + cold) and never as (cold + heat)

@TheArcSet 2 года назад

To clarify, Toxic_Lash *does* add toxin damage: treated as a separate instance of multishot & scaled off strength, _that_ 'effective' extra bullet has 100% status and 100% toxic weighting It does *not* add a toxin proc to the weapon, so procs will only scale off strength, toxin-mods and DoT buffs.

@monkaeyes3417 3 месяца назад

I am so glad you mentioned Toxic Lash on saryn i was sat here this whole video thinking "have I been messing up my dps the entire time?" but thankfully not haha...

@i7zan 3 месяца назад

Legendary rank 4 here. I have definitely noticed most of the things you mentioned and even thought the dual elemental riven combine scheme(bottom to top) was a bug xD But I couldn't explain it as well as you did, naturally.

@salamanderpete 2 года назад

I'm mr21 (returning after a couple of years, but still). Thought I understood this but watched it anyway. I was wrong! Thanks for explaining 😊

@dakotakushin628 2 года назад

Appreciate you, now have incredible respect for you mapping everything out, as well as HCET of course, perfect

@amateurprey7802 2 года назад

This is such a helpful channel. Nice to learn so many mechanical factoids to store away for later!

@lordofseal1674 2 года назад

Another exception to the combining rules is presented by the electric damage gained by shooting through Volt's shields as it combines only for projectile weapons while hitscan weapons only gain the standalone electric damage.

@Lobaguchi 2 года назад

Thanks a bunch! Really educational. Never knew about HCET but was always confused how to get the element combos I want on some weapons. Now I get it just fine.

@ajreyes3674 2 года назад

Man I really needed this. I get so confused every time

@SerDerpish 2 года назад

As per usual with your videos, l learn something new about the game no matter how fundamental the topic is. Well done 👏🏽

@tengkuhafiz4174 2 года назад

Dude I never knew this was a thing, I just swapped around like a madman till I get the correct combination that I want

@ickunmatze 2 года назад

I've always just moved the mods around until the right combination element appeared when having more than 2 elements. Thanks for the explanation. 😂

@tylerman6617 Год назад

Tysm I couldn’t get corrosive to work for me so very helpful vid thanks

@DoctorPotassium 2 года назад

Three thousand hours and I never knew about HCET

@lock_with_ink_pen 2 года назад

Didn't think I needed this but I did. I now completely understand how it works

@mattmartineau6018 Год назад

Btw, thanks for the vid/explanation... future knowledge will help EDIT:I was WRONG adding in an already existing element (from pregenor) and combining with something else allows you to have what I wanted. IE: I wanted heat on a kuva quartaak that had an electric progenator. slap an electric mod in first, then, something else.

@VegaNurse. 2 года назад

As a Lavos main with all 4 60/60 mods in various combos on my Cedo/Hystrix/Xoris build this was interesting, but ultimately not important as he chucks out every status effect all the time. 😋

@j.rudhrakumaran314 2 года назад

I never even researched my school lessons but this video made me to do

@EA-05 2 года назад

Thanks for this vid, very informative and that Harrow Chassis Every Time is pure gold 😂😂😂

@dimitrisskar4174 2 года назад

amazingly explained

@Bekspejszyn 2 года назад

Thank You, great video.

@jessemcallen8521 2 года назад

Harrow Chassis Every Time now, this is some big brain moment right here

@brinsonopinion 2 года назад

Thank God the system is so uncomplicated & straightforward 🙄🤯 seriously though thanks for all the information and for HCET... the Harrow chassis reference was the perfect way for it to stick in my head forever🤣

@pastyman3247 2 года назад

Kinda had an insight of this HCET as I always get it wrong, now I clearly see why🤔 Great video, as always. Keep them coming.

@ThePopeOfAwesomeness 2 года назад

I tried to figure out a way to link HCET to the MIGHTY SEER but I failed. I need to study up on my extremely stretched connections

@zerofalzer 2 года назад

Thank you so much, I innately knew this, but as someone else said previously I got tired of trying to figure it out, it was getting annoying and I don’t have the simulacrum yet to test things /:

@tonydesley2587 2 года назад

Harrow Chassis Every Time - Thank you so much for that. xD

@RobleViejo 2 года назад

But there are weapons that have forced procs for specific elements, meaning they can have 3 status or more. The one that comes right to mind is the Epitaph with Cold procs on Radial attack, is there a list for such weapons?

@spudmaster1793 Год назад

Hystrix is another one. The funny thing about the hystrix is the forced proc gets the damage bonus of the elemental mods even if they are combined into another element. If you mod for viral and use poison quills, the forced proc does more damage from you having a toxin mod on AND you still proc viral. Really fun and underrated weapon imo

@noahedenborg4221 11 месяцев назад

Ik that on the warframe wiki on each dmg types have lists of force procs

@brichouse2117 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, just thank you

@AngryCaesCorporation 2 года назад

Thanks Mr Kengineer, I'm now completely lost.

@darius6867 2 года назад

well done

@jakie9054 2 месяца назад

For the part of the video where he made viral from toxic and electricity. What happens with the extra toxic? Does it just get removed, or does the toxic enhance the viral, or does it proc separately?

@Halbostfriese 2 года назад

Saryn is especially fun for this mess. Spores augment, Toxic Lash, and a subsumed ability like Volt's Shock or Oberon's Smite which aren't counted as damage buffs because they get it from an augment. Three elemental damage buffs on one frame, and that's before modding. No other frame can do this as far as I know.

@jofipa9953 2 года назад

Dont forget gauss got a similar augment too giving either blast or heat and cold!

@noahedenborg4221 11 месяцев назад

And nourish for viral And toxic lash gets boosted from venom dose and viral from nourish

@ravenstrife0988 2 года назад

I was waiting for this

@HIIMPIEZ 2 года назад

Yeah, Saryn infused with Smite Infusion is hilarious for buffs

@635574 2 года назад

We just need a slot setting for each weapon where the additional elements go between the mod slots. Not suggesting this needs to apply for pure innate elements too, but it could.

@TheArcSet 2 года назад

Thanks for clearly and visually explaining this. I have triple elemental riven for my Dragon Nikana stick. *HOW DOES THE MUTALIST QUANTA FIT IN!* ;) .

@selcukylmaz7946 2 года назад

i don't even play the game anymore but i can't stop watching this guy

@ThePrime262 2 года назад

the Electricity damage granted by shooting through the Mutalist Quanta's alt fire also does not stack with other elements, though i dont think its working like toxin lash, where that is a seperate damage instance, i think its just. . weird.

@TheArcSet 2 года назад

:) This was one of my 1st thoughts.

@kittentamer2164 2 года назад

Mutalist Quanta treats the electricity as a combined element on hitscan weapons. It combines on projectile secondaries and the mutalist quanta itself, and follows HCET specifically in those examples. For everything else, You can imagine it as a Smite Infusion, but for electricity, as it does affect elemental weighting, but it can allow you to have things like Modded Corrosive Bonus Electric.

@BrianRyans 2 года назад

Welcome to Featureframe.

@lordsincross 2 года назад

Why is this suddenly coming up in the community? This is not the first video I've seen going over this published in the last few weeks. You didn't mention DE changing anything so I'm assuming they didn't. Just curious. Great video btw 👍🏻

@tezzdk Год назад

had a guando prime setup for index that had both "viral and corrosive" at once, went to max mods (missed afew last upgrades) and broke it now and can't put viral and corrosive at once anymore don't if there'd be a way to fix it again

@nagarebushi 2 года назад

Would u make a video abt Mesa regulators ? And how to make them work in SP

@Epicmonk117 6 месяцев назад

You can actually get all 6 if you mod for gas and have a friend cast Nourish

@nunyabidnis3815 2 года назад

Shoutout to Grendel's Nourish for applying toxin to some abilities. Still need to sort out which/why.

@kittentamer2164 2 года назад

I haven't seen it do this. However, some abilities count as weapon damage and can be affected by certain external modifiers that shouldn't apply normally. Most of these abilities are projectiles or spawn entities, though not all of them do. Check the Theorem Demulcent Wiki page. If it interacts with the abilities listed, it's like Theorem Demulcent. If it's not on the list and also *not* an exalted weapon ability (or pseudo exalted like whipclaw/landslide) that is benefiting from Nourish, it's working in the inverse situations Demulcent would.

@karleriknelson8760 2 года назад

Can you do a video about specters.

@denny8422 2 года назад

Harrow Chassis every time killed me

@Johnny_no_smiles Год назад

Ok so to be 100% clear. If I have a heat progenitor tenet cycron and a riven with cold and toxin. I would have a viral heat weapon on 1 mod?

@Nazyairsengikar Год назад

So what are all the combinations for the elements?

@noahedenborg4221 11 месяцев назад

Radiation heat electric Corrosive toxin electric Blast heat cold Viral cold toxin Magnetic cold electric Gas heat toxin

@christopherbailey3406 2 года назад

Not related to the video, but is there anything that affects the drop rate of key in disruptions? I'm right now it's taking me longer per round than survival. I'm killing everything that gets in my path and defending all the points. That's not the issue. Im just waiting around for minutes at a time trying to kill things that drop keys. It doesn't matter if I search then out or go looking for it. Does bekros or anyone affect the drop rates of keys?

@lumosmaximus7243 2 года назад

"Harrow Chassis Every Time" lol

@NEWGHOST9 7 месяцев назад

Okay, didnt know about this HCET thing, i kinda hate it Like, why would they let abilities alter how you set up your gun after the fact I do think abilities should be extra ontop instead of changing elements, kinda like how saryn is an exception. Like too confusing even afte the breakdown

@SuzanneRush 2 года назад

You get a like purely for the HCET mnemonic. 😂

@Munax. Год назад

Where did you get your PHD on warframe degree? Which university?

@Phos9 2 года назад

Is the bonus electrical damage from shooting through a Volt shield also exempt from HCET?

@geminicrest 2 года назад

IIRC Volts Electric Shield adds elec damage like toxic lash, it doesn't combine. So if you shoot something through the shield you can get corro blast elec.

@Phos9 2 года назад

@@geminicrest Looking through other comments after posting this comment, I saw the most warfame explanation ever: projectiles can combine according to HCET but hitscan weapons strictly get add on electric

@tomyjohnston6794 3 месяца назад

Ik this is old but how to I get corrosive heat on my gun that has base electric I'm using pistol pestilence and scorch

@joshuaagpawa4098 3 месяца назад

you’d have to add an electric mod. tox, then elec. then hear

@snek616 2 года назад

I'm not sure how, but on my necramech I was able to smash the 4 elemental mods onto it and got viral and radiation somehow. This is weird because it seemed to really want to put cold with heat

@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 Год назад

Rad is heat and electricity and viral is cold and toxin together so unless I'm misunderstanding that's normal?

@snek616 Год назад

@@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 I'm not really sure tbh. For whatever reason, depending on the order I put the elemental mods in, it only sometimes works. That's why I didn't mess with it when I got it to work

@CatOfCosmos 2 года назад

Does Volt's passive or shield ability get dragged into HCET or is it unaffected like toxic lash?

@noahedenborg4221 11 месяцев назад

Ik in the tips it says electric shield will combine but it doesnt

@agingerbeard Год назад

Oh my god I am so sorry to my past team mates for having no concept of this until MR9. Yes, I am a potato...

@anotherjhon8193 2 года назад

Harrow Chassis Every Time (weirdly based)

@eloimartinez9446 2 года назад

Harrow chasis every time

@JONAJOSUE 2 года назад

Thank you. I understand why if I'm using the same mods my partners do more damage and my build suck. 🤦‍♂️ This game didn't explain anything.How do you guys find all this?

@awpbaldyMC 2 года назад

every time

@Ncik666 2 года назад

I have played for years and had no idea HCET combined this way. I tested for hours trying to figure out the logic behind the elements my Lesion combined to after it activated, and still only came away with "well its the way I want it now, I don't know why, but at least its consistent"

@VetriVade 2 года назад

Still waiting on that "how to kiss guide" from you

@matthewroe3937 2 года назад

I'm a big fan of playing Magnetic Boost Frost in public endless steel path missions

@thejoker1323 2 года назад

Dear Kengineer, it only took like 2 seconds from when I decided to complain with this comment, that you finally mentioned Saryn as an outlier. Are you reading minds as a hobby?

@Genashi1991 2 месяца назад

It's sad that somone can unintentionally mess up other peoples setups. It's interesting and intricare but seems like it shouln't allow for it to make combinations. Maybe I will feel differently if I ever become a veteran in Warframe.

@dragokirodoso8911 2 года назад

Sup

@cowboyboots9901 2 года назад

Too bad they won't allow PS4 to PC account migration. I miss this game.

@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 Год назад

Cross save is coming somewhat soon, so you'll get your wish once it happens

@francobuzzetti9424 Год назад

you'd be surprised of how many people with 500-1k hs just run around with objectively sh*it modding ,wrong elements ,mods that don't work or just straight out missing mods on top of the bad ones , i get that modding can be subjective but when you see a guy mr 20~ running an stuff like that makes you wonder..

@davebennett5069 2 года назад

i hate this. i hate every part of this. we should be able to choose the elemental combination damage type from the build screen, based upon the potential combinations available due to mods installed. this whole "the order you put them in" is total rubbish because it leads to, like you say, the damage types changing mid gameplay depending on factors outside your control.

@ovencake523 2 года назад

well modding alone wont change the damage type mid mission

@davebennett5069 2 года назад

@@ovencake523 no but someone else on your team putting a shock damage effect on you CAN impact it, or perhaps the HCET being activated by some other ability, that stuff should really just be "extra" on top, it shouldn't change the underlying combinations

@avillegas8857 2 года назад

@@davebennett5069 This is the reason I stopped using Thermal Transfer. I really can't know how it will affect anyone else's builds if they get caught in the blast radius.