Incredibles 2 Undermines The Incredibles and Itself - An In-Depth Movie Opinion

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Helen is a hypocrite. Bob is dumped on. Violet reverts. Dash is just there. And baby Jack-Jack hogs too much screentime. The threat-level is weak. Story progress is regressed, without anything meaningful to add. Plus, the Villain's motive is shallow and self-contradictory.
Incredibles 2 does not ruin The Incredibles, but it does undermine them.
00:00:00 - I Didn't Like Incredibles 2
00:01:22 - What Is Incredibles 2 About?
00:02:34 - Summary Of My Opinion
00:06:56 - The Story Has Regressed; Supers Are Illegal
00:08:52 - Helen Contradicts The Incredibles 1's Ending
00:10:42 - Supers Don't FEEL Illegal.
00:13:27 - Helen's Hypocrisy + Dinner Table Scene Breakdown
00:21:01 - Bob Is Also Flawed Yet Grows!
00:22:00 - Helen Is Treated With Kid Gloves
00:22:46 - Helen's 'Glory Days' Hypocrisy + Why Am I Watching Her?!
00:25:56 - Bob's Vs. Helen's Screentime: The Incredibles 1 Vs. Incredibles 2
00:28:53 - Searching for Helen's Character Arc
00:31:57 - 13 Years Of Character Growth In 7 Minutes
00:33:43 - The Shallow Mystery + Helen's Ego
00:35:45 - The Action
00:37:39 - Too. Much. Jack-Jack.
00:40:19 - Bland 'Adult' Movie; Missing 1st Movie's Wit & Visual Humor
00:43:16 - Not A Kids Movie! Brad Bird Wants Adults' Opinions!
00:44:54 - Too Many 'Adult' Topics, Not Enough Time
00:46:22 - Missed Opportunity - Helen Defends Motherhood
00:53:44 - The 3 Storylines Surrounding Helen
00:54:06 - The Misfit Superheroes
00:57:35 - The Villain Reveal Is Obvious
00:58:31 - Lacks The Raw Emotion Of The Incredibles 1
01:00:08 - Smartphone Satire... In The 1960s?
01:02:38 - The Villain Is The Only Opposition To Superhero Legalization
01:03:22 - The Interrogation Scene - Were Bob & Helen Justified To Interfere Against Underminer?
01:06:41 - Where's The Debate!? Oddly Simplistic Politics.
01:09:25 - Why Were Supers Outlawed? What Is The Solution?
01:11:05 - Super Persecution - The Incredibles 1 Made Me Care More
01:14:52 - What If Supers Weren't Illegal?
01:16:42 - The Villain's Plan is Awful
01:17:27 - The Villain's Motive
01:23:58 - Brainstorming A Backstory For The Villain
01:25:47 - How The Villain Could Tie Into Helen's Story
01:27:54 - Brad Bird Had Trouble With The Villain Plot
01:29:16 - Villain Wrap-Up. Should It Have Been Another Character?
01:30:49 - Kid's Taking Over The Climax Lacks Buildup
01:33:07 - Violet's Character Arc
01:36:53 - The Tony Rydinger Regression
01:38:56 - Bob's Abrupt Mental Breakdown
01:42:59 - Incredibles 2 Seems Meanspirited Toward Bob.
01:44:56 - Why Would Bob ALMOST Say THAT?!
01:48:51 - Bob's Ego: Undermining Bob's Character From The Incredibles 1
01:51:32 - MeToo Messaging? Anti-Male? IDK, But It Feels Bad, Man.
01:55:33 - Helen's Vs. Bob's Treatment Wrap-Up
01:57:27 - Bob's 3 Character Arcs
01:58:19 - Helen's Unresolved Conflict with The Kids
02:00:29 - Developing Voyd To Develop Helen
02:03:24 - Dash Is Short-Changed Yet STILL Undermined!
02:05:14 - Edna & Jack-Jack Undermine Bob + Edna Needs New Ways To Get Involved
02:08:54 - Kari & The "Jack-Jack Attack" Inconsistency
02:11:11 - The Kids Need Training To Substantiate The Climax
02:12:03 - Incredibles 2's Violence Is Toned Down; The Incredibles 1 Had Deadlier Stakes
02:14:44 - Brainwashing Had Wasted Potential + Female Villain
02:17:19 - Violet & Dash Are Undermined... By Goggles
02:18:44 - Winston's Big Moment!... Is Funny.
02:20:03 - What's Winston & Evelyn's Backstory? Could It Be Tied Into Helen & Bob's Story?
02:22:48 - Develop Winston & Evelyn. Ditch The Mystery.
02:24:26 - Winston Lacks Emotional Depth. He's Silly.
02:27:42 - Frozone Is Done Justice
02:29:10 - No Angry Supers?
02:29:56 - Do Secret Identities Matter? Or NOT?! Did The Villain Know Their Identities?
02:34:07 - More Helen Hypocrisy; Undermines The Message From The Incredibles 1
02:36:29 - The Climax Undermines EVERYONE's Intelligence For Weak Payoffs
02:37:35 - Helen's "Character Arc" Payoff. She Had An Internal Conflict???! Since When?
02:41:12 - Role Reversal Closure + Redeeming Bob
02:42:13 - WHY Were Supers Legalized?! The Whole Campaign Seems Corrupt!
02:44:42 - The Incredibles 1's Case For Supers Returning Vs. Incredibles 2's
02:45:44 - Incredibles 2 Feels Redundant
02:46:48 - Incredibles 2 "Borrows" Plot Points From The Incredibles 1
02:48:43 - The 1 Plotline They Didn't Repeat, Which Might've Improved The Villain
02:49:35 - Repeated Plot Undermines The Incredibles Themselves
02:50:16 - Positive Things To Say!
02:52:26 - What is the ENDING to your MOVIE?!
02:54:00 - The Ideal Ending: A Generic, Yet Nice Concept
02:55:44 - The Role Swap Trope Was Undermined
02:57:07 - Incredibles 2 Lost A YEAR Of Production Time: Brad Bird Interviews Compilation
03:02:05 - Disney... + Cash Grab
03:05:21 - Brad Bird's Woes & Gumption
03:07:31 - Flawed Endeavors ARE Worth Making
03:08:22 - Review Wrap Up
03:09:34 - Making This Review
03:10:41 - Channel Update
03:12:08 - Why Did I Leave RU-vid?
03:15:29 - Review Outtakes & Bloopers
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@aemovieguyreviews 4 дня назад

Update: My 3-week deadline passed without a new video, but I didn't quit! The next video needs more time to cook. It's not a 30-minute review anymore. I've listened to the feedback, and I'm making another LONG, detailed video. In fact, it's an "In-Depth" topic, inspired by one of the comments on this video: Why I Think The Incredibles Is "Slow In Places." The script is big. It's going to take quite a few more weeks to make the video. I'm rusty after 4 years. I'll keep working on it, slow and steady. Weekly updates can be found on my Community Posts page. Thank you all for giving this Incredibles 2 video a chance! I'm reading the feedback, including the negative comments, which I'll consider. Take care, -AEmovieguy

@anegginthesetryingtimes7636 3 дня назад

Jesse, we need more time to cook

@MarcusWarnerMusic 3 дня назад

I just stumbled across this and I have to say, bravo. Pacing, VO delivery, just the right amount of humour. Can't wait for the next!

@budderguy2128 3 дня назад

Glad you’re giving your content more time to bake than Disney execs are willing to give to their filmmakers. On a serious note, truly wish this film had that extra time to bake. It needed a few passes with a fine tooth comb, and an analysis like this one makes it clear just how many good ideas they could’ve shaped into a worthy follow up to the original.

@EclipsingTNT 2 дня назад

Please edit the Incredibles 2 video to delete the transphobic Brick joke. Just please, and never make insensitive jokes (e.g. the transphobic one) ever again.

@anegginthesetryingtimes7636 2 дня назад

@@EclipsingTNT "Please take down and reupload a 3+ hr long video thats already been up for a month because I am offended. I dont care that you wont make any money on the project anymore, I just want the vid that I already watched to have one less thing in it."

@tamarinico 25 дней назад

Not giving Helen any internal conflict or further complexity is not empowering her but rather making her into a character that most women will find it hard to relate to. It’s like the writers got so lost in trying to make her a “girlboss” that they forgot to make her a person.

@mikanchan322 25 дней назад

And they had SO many good opportunities for a feminist exploration of what women experience when they decide to have a career beside their family.

@Romapolitan 24 дня назад

She was way more of a ''Girlboss'' in the first movie, but specifically because they gave her a more complex identity

@yuri-sama.questionmark 23 дня назад

This. I agree with this so much. Most girlbosses characters who are strong for the sake of it, fall really hollow, and are often just the subject of "admiration" rather than a real connection with said character. It's always "(girlboss character) is so strong, hot etc.", but never "(girlboss character) is just like me."

@yuri-sama.questionmark 22 дня назад

@@voiceunderthecovers I'm a woman why do you guys keep assuming my gender 😭 do I pass as a man so much? Wtf - I meant the girlbosses that are written now. I think those women characters are relatable because they have flaws, and internal conflicts that can resonate with people. Like Mulan's struggle with identity and expectation of her. I meant that I am very disappointed with the girlboss characters that people write about now, cuz they're just as flat as the damsel in distress characters that people tend to criticize. Not because they are strong, but because their only purpose is to be strong. Like how Mulan went from relatable, to "you must have special powers and shit to be special, and if you don't have em just go suck it up" in the Live Action remake. Also when did I say, "women should relate to this", I only said what I feel and observed as a woman in social media and stuff.

@fruitloops2058 22 дня назад

@@voiceunderthecovers she said strong *for the sake of it*. All of the characters you mentioned have more to their characters than being strong.

@trevormccarron4451 24 дня назад

all the characters from the first movie look like they’re from the 60s but all the new characters look like they’re from the 2010s.

@tobiasburrell6055 13 дней назад

For me personally, it's the other way around. The first movie looks more modern while Incredibles 2 went overboard with the 60s aesthetic.

@luvuberrymuch49 12 дней назад

@tobiasburrell6055 I think upping the saturation and exaggerating the 60s aesthetic definitely dates it as a product of the 10's-20's design trend tho. The original goes for realism to portray what it would ACTUALLY look like for a family living in that time, and the new one is a corporatized 60' "aesthetic". In reality, (lower) middle class American life looked pretty much the same back then as it does now, which Is why the original movie still feels relatable. It comes through clearly that real humans with lives created the movie. I think the aesthetification of Incredibles 2 is a byproduct of corporate detachment from human experiences, and it has created a look in children's movies that has been prevalent mostly in the past decade. 2 doesn't actually FEEL 60's, it feels modern. The original IS 60's, but is still relatable.

@lilpetz500 11 дней назад

Personally, I kind of wish they played up the campiness of the 60s in more of the newer characters. The Deavors both seem to fit weirdly subtle, conservative 60s styles, but yeah the new super crew looks a little modernised, why not give them all the wild colours and prints of 60s psychedelia, punks, the very rights activists for the communities they are supposed to represent? Idk, at least give one of them that silly 60s beehive style 😂 And Tony. He looks like a Tumblr sexyman. In the first movie, he was perfectly established as a mix between Steve Jobs in the 60s, and an accurately dweeby teen. There was actually an endearing silliness to how much Violet crushed on him, he isn't the most handsome boy in the world, yet he's special to her, just like how it feels to crush on a guy back at school. Having him be a supermodel kind of removes the grounded normality to Violet's crush. Bring back dorky Tony!!

@donkylefernandez4680 6 дней назад

Maybe next genners are getting weird from further gene mutation to keep up with their powers- is this just MHA/X-Men all over again? We see that powers are 100% randomized and the superhero gene only gives you powers, unlike in mha/x-men where powers can be passed down with changes. Too bad we only have 2 movies and not 2 seasons to explore their world and society but I doubt anything could've been done with the premise.

@billybarnett9518 5 дней назад

@@tobiasburrell6055 That's because two of it's main influences are from the 60's, Fantastic Four and X-Men, not to mention the movies are set during the 60's with more advanced technology.

@dirtyjohnathan5612 25 дней назад

Can we please talk about the whacky ass superhero designs? They’re incredibly distracting and DONT belong. In the first movie when Mr incridble is going through the supers eliminated by syndrome NONE of them look wacky or incredibly disproportionate. Not to mention, with an appearance like that, HOW DO YOU HAVE A SECRET IDENTITY???? If you look at the behind the scenes of the first movie you can clearly see a certain art direction or feel the movie was aiming for. It’s gone in this one.

@BobMcBobJr 24 дня назад

It was a very classic golden age art style. Capes and cowls and spandex. They kept the spandex.

@Laura-ef3mm 22 дня назад

That's exactly what I thought when I watched it. Not only the new designs are really ugly (at least for me), but how someone with that unique look can try to have a secret identity? It's ridiculous.

@smcphee8499 20 дней назад

They don’t like they’re from the 60s

@ghadlydevastated2067 19 дней назад

We can argue the new superheroes' costume are a result of some no name designer and not our lord and goddess herself, edna.

@dirtyjohnathan5612 19 дней назад

@@ghadlydevastated2067 not the costumes. Their actual body

@dunkyfunky9478 26 дней назад

Incredibles 2 was SIX YEARS AGO???!

@tobiasburrell6055 26 дней назад

Almost a decade. It's insane. 😮

@CatGuyNeko 26 дней назад

@@tobiasburrell6055bruh 6 years is not almost a decade lmao.

@callmepsycho3132 26 дней назад

@@CatGuyNeko well tbf it’s over half

@CatGuyNeko 25 дней назад

@@callmepsycho3132 exactly, it's barely half...

@someonesnobody2222 25 дней назад

I guess we should expect a third moive in another 8 years

@alexandergreene461 26 дней назад

That one line: “I’m not- I Can’t LOSE YOU again… I’m not… Strong enough.” That gets me, that gives me goosebumps, that tears me up a little. Can you imagine the utter anguish that swallowed him when he thought his family died on their way to save him? The thoughts running through his head as he relived every moment of his selfishness, his ambition, his pride, killed the people he loves most? People don’t just go through something like that only to go back to shallow egotistical ways three months later, he ripped himself apart inside out mentally and emotionally for hours, hanging in place with nothing to think about but the fact that he ruined everything, killed his wife, and his children for som paltry fun. That makes me kinda despise this movie tbh.

@saltystick_99 26 дней назад

Don't even forget to mention the fact that he was damn near about to *kill* Mirage because he felt like he had nothing to lose at that point.

@mobbs6426 25 дней назад

Perfectly understandable. The Incredibles was pretty much a masterpiece, where The Incredibles 2 should have been direct to DVD/streaming, so we could decide if it was official or not

@mobbs6426 25 дней назад

@saltystick_99 perfectly understandable given the circumstances. I'd have been ready to sink the entire island, and I'm pretty sure that was on his bucket list somewhere in that moment

@BobMcBobJr 24 дня назад

Bob's arc was the only one that was almost doomed from the start. Almost. It would take a lot of finesse to make Bob come out as struggling with the family home life while not breaking his character by making him come off as a lame moron. Bob's character in the first movie was depicted as brave, possibly a little reckless and dedicated and caring to his family. His main struggle was with finding a sense of purpose, which he resolved by the end of the movie by directing it more towards his family emotionally. To stay consistent, they would have needed to show his dedication and effort while having him still fail until he figures things out. In a way, he does do this in the movie. Problem is all the freaking out and whining. He can have bags under his eyes from caring for the baby, while not letting his exhaustion show. He can help Dash with a math test only for Dash to fail because he got the right answer, the wrong way. But all the time he needs to stay in control of himself, if not the situation.

@WobblesandBean 24 дня назад

Yup. I really wish Disney had never made the sequel. It retroactively ruined a masterpiece.

@sandwichboy1268 25 дней назад

Helen got the modern Hollywood treatment. They're afraid of individual character flaws being taken as a dig at all women in a way that they simply aren't for male characters.

@lupinthenerd439 23 дня назад

Ok Critical Drinker

@LukeLovesRose 23 дня назад

Well said

@leontriestoart 23 дня назад

@@lupinthenerd439you. Me. Freaky time

@voiceunderthecovers 22 дня назад

I don’t think that’s the point. I think they just didn’t want to undermine Helen when Bob was so well hyped up in the first movie up until the second half. There is no “modern Hollywood treatment”.

@spinosaurusstriker 21 день назад

@@voiceunderthecovers But that doesn't make much sense , in the first movie bob is hyped for a moment thats all , his first appearence is him saving a kitty and detaining simple robbers just to be passed to a scene of him fuck1m up because of buddy and then ending up fat and chasing adrenaline illegally when he is called to fight the omnidroid he almost dies and he is only really hyped up on a small collage with Helen also being happy because she things her husband had a promotion , after that he gets defeated by the omnidroid again and gets tortured physically and psychologically . And yeah wherever you like it or not the girlboss treatment IS a thing , every era has many cliches and the girlboss is just one of them , and just like any cliches , its bound to get old and directors using it without developing it .

@BobMcBobJr 24 дня назад

The goggles should have been part of Helen's new suit so that it wasn't obvious to Bob (or shouldn't have been obvious) that she was being mind controlled. They could justify it "It's to look cool. You got the motorcycle. Now you get goggles to go with it. Marketing." And, then nothing happens with them for a while to lower our guard about them. Then Elastagirl finds out that Evil Endeavor is a bad guy and she turns them on.

@Multi-Waves_Sketchbook 11 дней назад

Are you sure you wanna end with "and she turns them on"

@BrightWulph 6 дней назад

That's what throws me off about the goggles too, like you can clearly tell they aren't part of the super hero's outfits. Especiallly evident given that the campaign has been showing new and old footage of the supers, so the fact that the goggles are glowing blue orbs and the hero's are speaking in a weird halting/robotic ways, you'd expect someone if not many someones in the crowd putting 2+2 together and realising that there's something not quite right with the super's basically trying to become legal again then being all "well screw you" statements out of nowhere. Unless the glowing blue goggles aren't able to be seen/noticable by people in-universe, but then that makes no sense as to how Dash and Violet were able to figure out, rather quickly I might add, that the side-kick supers were brainwashed. Screenslaver's mode of mindcontrol really doesn't make sense.

@Vincent_Beers 25 дней назад

Incredibles 2 is the kind of plot you would expect from a sitcom where they need to keep ending back where they begin. Not a movie with a journey or purpose.

@RM2011ish 21 день назад

That's exactly how I felt coming out......like nothing mattered at least compared to the first. It was an episode, not a movie.

@Sh12pen 12 дней назад

This movie felt like it's own standalone

@emephante 26 дней назад

They should have had a scene where Helen returns from a rather rough fight, and she calls Bob to check in. Bob tells her about all the little status updates and while she is proud of her children, she is visibly sad because she is missing out on her family. Something like this to signal conflict, though in all honestly I would really restructure the plot of this movie.

@47ratsinahoodie 25 дней назад

I think there was a deleted scene like that

@nervousdisposition7150 25 дней назад

Ikr, I think that both parents should be finding some amount of joy and sadness in their new lives, struggling with the fact that being a superhero and being a parent are both full time jobs which they have to choose between. The overall message should have been something to the effect of 'live your life in a way that makes you fulfilled. dont let anyone choose for you' which ironically would have been *much* more feminist than whatever the movie actually says

@LukeLovesRose 23 дня назад

No. They cant allow the mom to look bad in any way. Women never make mistakes after all

@jbear3478 19 дней назад

Doesn’t that actually happen lmao

@47ratsinahoodie 19 дней назад

@@jbear3478 Nah, Helen calls super excited and having had a pretty easy and productive day

@number3766 18 дней назад

Bob did work for an insurance company in the first movie. His job was literally to deny claims illegally and scam people outta using the insurance. The old lady from the start literally had full coverage and insuracare was refusing to pay out unless they were sued, which they knew she couldn't due to being on a fixed income, more than willing to let a nice old lady to go homeless to increase their bottom line. Bob literally had to tell her a work around to get what she paid for! I doubt Disney would have let Incredibles 2 expose the fact that ya gotta sue insurance companies 9/10 if ya wanna get what ya paid for. It's one if Disney's more profitable "investments" after all!

@oldylad 6 дней назад

It’s also set in the 60s, shit like that has been exposed and dealt with years ago

@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 5 дней назад

@@oldylad Ha, someone's definitely bourgeois. Try asking literally anyone with a fixed income below $40 an hour.

@ao9688 26 дней назад

I hate how these sequels just take the roughest, barest sketch of characterization and think they can rebuild every success of the original.

@jairesemccoy9779 25 дней назад

They could have... But they didn't. They folded.

@PropheticShadeZ 8 дней назад

This is because this movie was made because someone wanted money There doesnt seem to be a message or truth the movie needed to say

@bowserbreaker2515 4 дня назад

Many Dreamworks sequels were made for art. Incredibles 2 was made for money.

@Dogan_TM 25 дней назад

Incredibles 2 isn't canon.

@rod4309 25 дней назад

Agreed!

@orangeslash1667 24 дня назад

@@rod4309 Bird said he was open to an idea of a sequel to The Incredibles, but only if it could be better than the original. He stated, "I have pieces that I think are good, but I don't have them all together. That explains everything.

@Nebulasecura 15 дней назад

@@orangeslash1667 yeah Disney fucked him over badly by pushing it forward a year when it definitely needed the extra time

@orangeslash1667 15 дней назад

@@Nebulasecura It doesn't help that the actors playing the characters apologies to the audiences before the movie starts, for the film taking a while to get made. It makes you question, was Bird pressured by the fans to make this?????

@Nebulasecura 15 дней назад

@@orangeslash1667 Disney pushed incredibles 2 forward a year while toy story 4 got that extra year of development. Whether Disney did it because of fan pressure remains uncertain, but damn was that a hella mistake on Disney's part because this movie does feel half baked.

@insanityeverafter5298 24 дня назад

I feel like it would be interesting if they had bobs sudden regression be caused by overstimulation, something a lot of single moms talk about being a huge struggle. They could go into the idea that bob has no support system, and that hellen faced similar issues when the kids were younger but had people to help her through it. He could then struggle with not wanting to burden his wife and feeling like hes not strong enough to protect his family in a whole new way. You could also pull gender biases into it with bob not knowing helen struggled. Maybe she hid it from him, went to friends so as not to trust him. Then maybe one of the kids call helen, or frozone or his wife call her, and she comes home and bob is floored because its like she fixes everything. And they get to communicate that no its not just him failing, she knows what to do because she struggled the same way.

@oldylad 6 дней назад

It would’ve been fine if they’d just made Helen struggle like at all. It’s like they just dropped her character entirely in favor of girl boss woman. All it would’ve taken is her being unsure regularly and thinking about the family, and bob being the one to push her because they’re equals like they were in the first movie. That would’ve been a good conflict and a good role reversal, she was the one who thought heroing was stupid when they have a family after all

@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 5 дней назад

@@oldylad Well it's not that she thought it was stupid so much as, it was already illegal and punishable for years, so it was long since pretty much impossible to do, and Bob kept getting them and their family in trouble and forcing them to move every time he did it. And since villains other than Syndrome seemed to fade from the world it's not like there was any real need. Even Frozone was getting sick of it by the time the movie started. Bob had to talk him into it.

@MrMatthias 25 дней назад

The second I heard her name was Evelyn Dever, I chuckled to myself and said "Heh, evil endeavor". The fact that her name also sounds like "a villain" eluded me. This movie was such a disappointment. The original Incredibles is my favorite Pixar movie, and this... Gosh, this movie makes me sad for what could and should have been.

@neb2504 25 дней назад

Something I’ve never seen anyone really talk about is the Parr’s housing situation at the beginning of the movie. Their old house exploded at the end of the first movie. That was canonically 3 months ago. Where have they been living since then? It doesn’t seem like they’ve been living in the motel for that whole time, but even if so why are Bob & Helen only NOW having the “maybe one of us should get another job” conversation? Did the movie just forget that the Underminer didn’t show up the day after Syndrome did?

@SecretMagician 22 дня назад

Something else I noticed, Bob was clearly being paid by Mirage and Syndrome after the first Omni-droid fight, we saw him buy a car for himself and Helen during the montage, where did that money go? Did he use it all in that montage? Did Dicker take possession of it since it's technically blood money? We never get an explanation of where it went. In a stronger sequel, the house they move into wasn't owned by the Deavors, but Bob bought it in-between movies with state of the art technology. That makes sense because if they're going to be a crime fighting family, why wouldn't they have a house that's relatively close to the city and has a secret entrance/exit via waterfall they can access with the Incredibile (Bob's futuristic car we saw in the opening of the first film). Speaking of the Incredibile, it doesn't make any sense why it'd be in auction anyway, unless the government purposefully gave a car with classified government technology to the general public that can change its forms from a normal car to a speedboat along with having active missiles still installed?!?!?! Wouldn't people being in possession of something like that be dangerous? Clearly, judging from what Dash almost does with the car after he and Bob see it in auction on TV.

@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho 26 дней назад

I think the biggest thing one could do to improve Incredibles II is simply to swap how Bob and Helen feel about their roles. Bob gladly takes on raising the kids in order to make up for his disillusionment with urban life from the first film; Helen is conflicted about helping improve public/Super relations because it’s taking away from her family time. Doesn’t fix every problem (we’d need a better villain and Bob doesn’t need to be so thoroughly nerfed to make the film work), but it starts with the biggest problem I2 has (characterization).

@Changeling9000 12 дней назад

They could still do that for Incredibles 3

@bestaround3323 12 дней назад

@@Changeling9000No, please no, oh god no

@PropheticShadeZ 8 дней назад

Nah i loved that bob struggled with a task he never prepped for, and neglected for years Its a skill, and he ends up nailing it

@oldylad 6 дней назад

@@PropheticShadeZneglected? It’s your typical 60s family dynamic. The dad works constantly and the mom works domestically constantly. They’re both pulling their own weight, only way you could say bob was neglecting things would be his vigilante stuff, but are parents meant to not do anything without their kids in their free time? I think because it’s a movie we just don’t see stuff like that, the movie gives no indication that Bob is a bad father or person

@bluejay2509 23 дня назад

Even after many rewatches of this movie, I still have absolutely no idea how that little girl got that sign. Why did they make a little girl with the sign?! It makes literally no sense! Did Evelyn brainwash someone, have them walk up to this little girl and get her to hold this sign? Where are this girl's parents??

@off-the-grounder568 19 дней назад

I assumed her mom was the only moderate anti-super person in the movie and told her daughter to hold that sign.

@the_last_ballad 15 дней назад

I mean, I just assumed that the parents gave her a sign to hold. You know, the same way we have children holding signs endorsing outright bigotry(in modern times usually against LGBT+ people, most frequently seen with extreme religious influences) but have zero idea why they are there(if they can even read yet) when asked. People love forcing children to advocate for an extreme position before they can even comprehend the position for some reason.

@AltevBaka 6 дней назад

The girl is Helen from the past, they just cut out the time travel subplot

@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 5 дней назад

If you look at the crowd at 47:12, there's a lady standing next to the little girl, smiling at Helen with everyone else. Right before the girl turns her sign around, she glanced at the lady shyly, the way little kids do when looking for a parent for reassurance before interacting with a stranger. And the lady smiles encouragingly and nods. The lady doesn't even look slightly vindictive or anything, though. More like she's encouraging the girl to do something that will have a nice outcome, her expression reads like, "Go on, don't be shy, you can be nice to the Super lady." She doesn't look at all like she deliberately gave the girl an unsettling sign. So even that theory that some parent gave it to her doesn't seem to make sense. It's actually even more confusing.

@nocctea 4 дня назад

honestly it's more believable to me that they just forgot to change the sign's text before the movie came out and just never updated it. cause it literally makes NO sense lmao!

@georgethompson913 26 дней назад

It feels like they just wanted to retell the first movie but worse.

@egg_bun_ 26 дней назад

💯

@milkshake285 25 дней назад

Basically they was like let's copy and paste and realized too many people seen that movie so they switched roles lol

@orangeslash1667 24 дня назад

@@milkshake285 Bird said he was open to an idea of a sequel to The Incredibles, but only if it could be better than the original. He stated, "I have pieces that I think are good, but I don't have them all together. That explains everything.

@Madjichen 16 дней назад

@@orangeslash1667And the studio switching the deadlines probably didn't help...

@orangeslash1667 16 дней назад

@@Madjichen indeed

@JuanRamirez-xw3gc 25 дней назад

literally said this when i walked out of theaters. "They just undid all of incredibles 1 character development and family understanding." They were bumping heads in the beginning and got a sense of understanding and bonding of being superheros and they undid all that in 2.

@rpmguy648 26 дней назад

This movie feels more like Incredibles Lite than Incredibles 2.

@MessGasp 25 дней назад

Best description of this movie I've ever heard.

@orangeslash1667 24 дня назад

@@MessGasp Bird said he was open to an idea of a sequel to The Incredibles, but only if it could be better than the original. He stated, "I have pieces that I think are good, but I don't have them all together. That explains everything.

@ATP2555ify 8 дней назад

Rise of the Underminer felt more like Incredibles 2 than this garbage.

@d_fnanda 19 дней назад

Ohhhhh that bit about Helen's conflict possibly being from the fear of missing out on her kids' lives if she takes the risk is SO good. Like, it could have reached the Pixar cry level if there was a moment where she was losing in the climax and imagined what would happen to her family without her, and she either finds her resolve to keep fighting and win, for her family; or she asks them for help and find strength together (which fits the theme of the movies a bit more, though it might still sound too similar to the first one)

@andrewgreeb916 26 дней назад

Incredibles 2 starts off like right where Incredibles one ended, but is clearly not the same world. Most of the characters clearly have not gone through the first movie. It's just kinda sad.

@brainrot5267 21 день назад

I never realized how Helen was SCREAMING out their actual names in public during the Underminer fight omg. Anybody could’ve heard that, and many probably did, and put two and two together. That could’ve been a good time to see what their actual hero names would’ve been too! Maybe Helen starts saying “Vi-“ and then remembers she has to use their hero names to protect them.

@BrightWulph 8 дней назад

Wait, do Dash and VI have super hero names? I can't remember if they ever gave themselves names. 😅😅😅

@brainrot5267 8 дней назад

@@BrightWulph It’s unclear if they have, but still, shouting out their real names when the only main difference between their usual look is a mask would make it pretty easy to identify who they are

@freshoffthehook904 26 дней назад

It would have been so much more interesting to have the movie deal with the fact that she hasn’t actually had a public facing job in years and that things have changed. They also could have looked at the difference between a vigilante vs a hero. To be a hero you have to work with the law and it’s implied in the first movie that she had a job that was with the government.

@GribbleGob 12 дней назад

vigilante method versus government sanctioned method would have been way more interested than Bird whining about iphone usage without committing to it

@ananonymousbean2731 24 дня назад

Man I hadnt even realised in the aeroplane scene Bob was sobbing in the background, because Ive always watched it in a sort of open air screening at noisy places. That's really heartbreaking... the second movie really lacked that depth

@SerenaPheles 25 дней назад

One was made by Pixar, the other was made by Disney. That’s all ya gotta say.

@josh44026 4 дня назад

Is that treu the first one is for the whole family the second for kids

@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 24 дня назад

Jack Jack should have been used a metaphor for raising a child with special needs. Bob should have learned that his children need 'Bob' they dont need Mr Incredible (he just needs to show up and do his best to be a good Dad).

@douglaskurtz8357 18 дней назад

I thought those extra supers looked lazily cobbled together; and the owl guy, good luck hiding that ANIMAL QUIRK

@crystaldiaty9668 27 дней назад

Holy Crap a 3 hour video about a movie I hate from a creator I just found! Sign me up well done!

@calebalford1581 26 дней назад

That’s wild this movie came out 6 years ago

@evalv2284 26 дней назад

no it didn't shut up 😭

@veronicageorge3825 26 дней назад

@@evalv2284 It was released in 2018, so yes, it actually was 6 years ago.

@silverhawkscape2677 26 дней назад

I feel old

@callmepsycho3132 26 дней назад

@@veronicageorge3825they know, they were trying to say they don’t believe it because it probably doesn’t feel that old

@themoongateofficial 25 дней назад

I know bro I can fucking remember my mom taking me to see this shit now I’m old enough to buy alcohol

@TrisStrudel 22 дня назад

Evelyn’s motivation is so baseless honestly. She blames heroes for not saving her parents… ignoring the fact that supers were illegal BEFORE her parents died. Her dad was just an idiot who for some reason assumed someone would answer the phone, knowing they wouldn’t.

@jonathanschubert9052 12 дней назад

She resents her parents for not saving themselves within their own capacity to do so. She blames her dad for fantasizing being a "damsel-in-distress" so strongly that she had to grow up an orphan for it.

@superemoboi2050 16 часов назад

@@jonathanschubert9052 True, but she shouldn't blame superheros as a whole for that. It's not as if superheros were telling people to rely on superheros _only_ . It was her dad's own fault, but I understand needing something to blame in her grief. It's a pretty good motive, it just could've been executed better. imo.

@ShadowSaberBaroxio 24 дня назад

You're right, Evelyn as an Elastagirl fangirl might actually have tied the movie's theme together a bit more.

@lovefromwonderland 23 дня назад

Incredibles 2 is an example of Pixar's desperation to stay afloat in my opinion. Most Pixar films are meant to be contained in one story. Continuing said story not because it could benefit from one but just for a quick buck is very telling of the company that makes said sequel. This movie was a completely unnecessary cash grab that dumps on the characters, story, and world we know and love.

@seed2375 7 дней назад

The thing is...I think it's very doable to create a sequel for the incredibles that doesn't destroy the previous characters and story, but they failed horribly at doing so. It's as if they have no idea what made their older movies so great in the first place.

@fadedyellowmm581 26 дней назад

This movie is linked to one of the best and most disappointing memories I’ve ever had- bittersweet in many ways. I was invited by a relative who had connections at Pixar to come see the incredibles 2 at an early, invite-only private showing at Pixar studios in California. It was a dream come true for an animation geek and artist like me, and the tour I got before was eye opening. It was just too bad the film itself was so, so disappointing. I still look back with fondness on that day, but I think it was the moment some of the shine wore off Pixar and it really dawned on me that even gods can bleed.

@CommanderRedEXE 26 дней назад

More like be corrupted from within. Honestly this film was the beginning of Pixar valuing the message over story. It was subtle here, but not so subtle as to be hidden. Look at half the new supers designs. Very stereotypical LGBT activist(twitter activist) aesthetics. Especially the green haired rainbow suit wearing super. That was was too absurd for me to take seriously. Had to have been someone's self insert to a degree.

@voiceunderthecovers 22 дня назад

@@CommanderRedEXE Jesus Christ dude, your hatred goes so fucking crazy.

@George-zj9rr 10 дней назад

@@CommanderRedEXEyour conspiracy theory does not even make sense. Those side super characters arent what makes 2's story fundamentally flawed. They could have been designed to be visually consistant and it wouldnt change that theyre just props with no development.

@CommanderRedEXE 10 дней назад

@George-zj9rr No, but look at the background supers again. You have a lesbian stand in, transwoman stand in, so on. My point was "Woke" feminist messaging took precedent over good quality writing as they chose to deliberately push "The Message", their agenda.

@nifferwolf 26 дней назад

I was disappointed in this movie for the same reasons. Finding out that there wasn't a clear idea behind the scenes makes a lot of sense and is indicative of Disney demanding sequels for that sweet franchise money. It was the same with Frozen 2 and so many others. It's really sad that Disney seems happy with mediocrity these days as long as they make a profit. It's been a pretty tragic downfall to witness. Great review. Well worth the effort it took to get it out.

@mcnooj82 25 дней назад

only started the video, but… In my opinion, there’s a reason that Brad Bird never felt like coming back for a sequel until he needed a win after TOMORROWLAND flopping so hard I never needed a sequel to THE INCREDIBLES. Bird designed the first movie and it’s characters for a specific purpose, and that film was a complete statement. Of course going back to the well resulted in something redundant I enjoyed the sequel for the aesthetics upgrade and some setpieces, but I came out of it remembering very little about the story due to the obligatory finale

@josh44026 4 дня назад

I think their could be done a lot with the incredible it need a unique good original script for the sequels

@circuits17nightmare28 17 дней назад

The fact that the second movie hates on Bob/Mr. Incredible angers me so much because he is my favorite character. That is one of the biggest reasons I absolutely HATE the second film.

@LeahtheLoserlostinLoserland 12 дней назад

I actually don’t feel like the movie hated on Bob at all. I think they paid attention to his character and him working out how to be a stay at home day when he desires to go fighting crime. I think the movie wanted it to be focused on Helen and her being the one to bring superheros back but they spent a lot of time making her look good forgetting all about her actual character

@fisherwoman3611 27 дней назад

Holy hell, I thought this would've had like 120K likes

@aemovieguyreviews 27 дней назад

Thank you. Hey, maybe the video will grow some legs later.

@BigChungus-gz9vw 26 дней назад

@@aemovieguyreviewsI’ve got faith it will. It’s a great video so far

@bernardosax 26 дней назад

What an oddly specific number.

@illosovic 26 дней назад

Well to be fair, it's too long for most people, and a few years after the hype of the movie

@breadanbuttwr 26 дней назад

@@aemovieguyreviewsIt will become, Incredible.

@lasercraft32 24 дня назад

Imagine how much more interesting it would be if Winston ended up being a villain too... And Evelyn didn't realize it. So he'd basically be playing 4D chess behind Evelyn's back, in the middle of her evil plan, in order to further some selfish goal or something (idk what his motivation would be though). If executed well, that would have been a really cool twist... Certainly better than the "twist" of just Evelyn being evil. They BOTH should have been villains with different ideals.

@BrightWulph 6 дней назад

He could have been so desperate in his drive to campagain the re-legalisation of superheros so he had someone to scheme against, because global politicians "think too small" or are too "petty, to be worthy advasaries" or something. So in making superhero legal again he can loophole into making supervillians legal again as well. That way the writers hinting that Evelyn could be "redeemed" could have some "weight" because now she has/wants to stop or get even with her brother who is now a global supervillian, who knows a lot of how superheros like Mr. Incredible, Frozone and Elastagirl work and think, which could open the door for future hero's like Violet, Dash, Void, Brick etc to step up and be the dark horses or something. Just spitballing ideas.

@coletrainhetrick 6 дней назад

One way they could have done it is have Winston actively funding screen saver to become a Villain without realizing its his sister.

@SnobbyBird_ 19 дней назад

No matter how much I try, I can’t for the life of me imagine SYNDROME being in the same universe as this movie, and that’s really bad

@tigerlilykitty3281 25 дней назад

The way you said “Nooo, your daddy was *stupid.*” made me laugh, that caught me off guard!

@jacklansdale77 26 дней назад

Picture this, the underminer attacks and unfortunately supers are still illegal but things are under way to change that. The underminer attacks and Helen points out that the law hasn't changed yet and Bob wants to make supers look good here. During the attack the underminer gets away in his giant drill with the bank money, also Bob saves Mr. Devor from dying and while he wasn't acting for supers before have things have changed now and he speaks of his fathers live for supers and the law actually stopped a super from saving him from specifically a super villain, as in regular cops can't help. Maybe Evelynn is working with the underminer or something idk.

@Pinkyorangegirl 22 дня назад

Really good idea. By having the underminer get a bigger impact on the story makes his battle in the beginning even more relevant.

@d_fnanda 18 дней назад

@@Pinkyorangegirl True, and if Evelynn was working in some way with him then it would tie the two movies a lot better, because then she didn't just come out of nowhere, she would be implied to already be a threat ever since the first movie and, though we never saw her, we would get a better feeling that the world is alive and stuff are happening behind the scenes

@Pinkyorangegirl 18 дней назад

@@d_fnanda It makes so much sense. How could random people on the internet come up with better stories than a multi-millon company

@nathancollins1715 9 дней назад

@@PinkyorangegirlI DISAGREE STRONGLY! ☝️☝️ No but seriously. I think the Underminer could have been left out of the film entirely. People seriously overhyped what was effectively a joke villain who was only there at the end of the first film to remind the audience that there are still bad people out there, and therefore supers coming back and the Incredibles uniting under a single purpose are objectively good things. I knew going into the second film that there wouldn't be a timeskip, but the fact that they started off RIGHT where the last one ended was a little cringeworthy. And I can't help but think that part of the reason for this was that the filmmakers wanted to please the fans by finally showing the "epic confrontation" between the Incredibles and the Underminer, something that, at least to me, was obviously not the point of his inclusion in the first film.

@Pinkyorangegirl 8 дней назад

@@nathancollins1715 If he was a joke they could've left him out entirely, but because he declared war on peace and happiness they had something going for him. The second film reconed that and made him into a joke.

@PixilatedLives 20 дней назад

Ok, I have something to say about Violet taking care of Jack Jack or whatever. Sometimes I have to watch my baby brother and I’m pretty much the same age as her, I know she is a super ‘n all but still. I have to watch my baby brother sometimes and it honestly hurts me mentally, I get too overwhelmed and I’m not patient enough for it which leads me to feel guilty that I may not be doing enough or that I’m too mean. And if my 5 year old non-super brother can overwhelm me to the point of almost having a breakdown, how could Jack Jack, a full super baby with many powers, not overwhelm Violet and hurt her to? My aunt says kids my age shouldn’t be looking after little kids like this, she would know. She HAD to when she was little. I’m just saying I don’t agree with the Violet taking up the responsibility of babysitting JackJack and I understand that a normal human babysitter wouldn’t work either. This is just something I personally don’t agree, I like everything else in the video. Keep up the good work ❤️ 👍

@jbear3478 19 дней назад

Violet needs to live a teen life, not a teen mom life

@cameronnorris2055 25 дней назад

Underminer: declares war on peace and happiness, robs bank, leaves, refuses to elaborate. Like, what? Like his name, but what's he gonna use the money for? What's with announcing and not stealthing it more until he gets to the bank? I wanted that to be the rest of the movie.

@coletrainhetrick 6 дней назад

Oh my god I never thought about this. That's such a massive plot hole

@blobbertmcblob4888 21 день назад

I can remember way back in 2014 when Incredibles 2 was announced, all the theories of what the movie would be about. I can still remember the most common one: Incredibles 2 would feature Jack Jack as a teenager or young adult dealing with the idea of being seen as a "weirdo" and being outcast in a world of people with super powers, all due to his MULTIPLE super powers. Perhaps he would develop some sort of god complex due to being "better" and stronger than all the other supers, and he would become the movies anti-hero. Perhaps he would even turn out just like Syndrome. Jaded with the world for their treatment of him but still wanting to help people in his own way. Instead we got a movie that is SUPPOSED to take place moments after the end of the first movie yet acts like it takes place months or even years after the fact.

@jbear3478 19 дней назад

And honestly since it took them a decade to make the second one, who the hell even remembers how the first one ended

@billybarnett9518 5 дней назад

Taking place immediately after the first was indeed Brad Bird's vision, he didn't want to have to figure out how to deal with Violet and Dash being adults, and he also wanted to keep baby Jack Jack.

@MintySweetea 14 дней назад

I wish they'd used one of the dead supers from the first movie back to be a villain instead of "erm my daddy died now i hate supers" lady There was one, I forget his name, who was one of the super featured in the interview tapes on the bonus disc who had megalomaniacal tendencies and saw supers as a superior race. Imagine he just barely escapes the island with his life, brutally scarred physically and mentally. Him being forced underground and being made illegal by society, then lured to remote island to be slaughtered alongside many of his fellow super by a non-super would be an EXTREMELY compelling villain origin story. And having a known super committing acts of evil would actually create a good reason for there to be tension and difficulty in reverting the laws that made supers illegal

@George-zj9rr 10 дней назад

Damn that would be great.

@PP-js7ng 5 дней назад

If I remember correctly his name was Gamma Jack? Or something like that

@UncleFlutus 26 дней назад

i just wanna say THANK YOU so much for making this video. i honestly consider this movie one of pixar’s weakest. i’ve had a very big disdain for the lack of character and story progression in this film that other animated sequels excel at, yet don’t get the credit they deserve cause they’re not pixar. i feel like this movie’s public reception rides hard on the coattails of its predecessor and its studio. it is so great to see a long critique on this movie written by someone who actually understands what makes a screenplay work or not, and someone who isn’t afraid to acknowledge when a lesser movie like this one is able to get some things right as well! a lot of longer video essays critiquing films tend to just be written by people who go in full throttle in a bad way, viewing nitpicks on the same level as genuine flaws. leaving their critiques feeling very shallow, vapid, and biased. this video is different, it’s nuanced! i really appreciate the maturity you have on display here! i hope you consider doing more essays on films like this in the future. especially animated ones. cause let me tell you, as an animation fan, there aren’t very many video makers who are able to treat them with the same amount of maturity as you put on display here. great stuff, subscribed.

@aemovieguyreviews 25 дней назад

Thank you for this feedback, UncleFlutus.

@orangeslash1667 24 дня назад

@@aemovieguyreviews Bird said he was open to an idea of a sequel to The Incredibles, but only if it could be better than the original. He stated, "I have pieces that I think are good, but I don't have them all together. That explains everything.

@thealientree3821 11 дней назад

Remember when there was a villain that committed genocide to create a weapon of mass destruction and died by being blended in a turbine?

@DaNintendude 26 дней назад

I already had a lot of problems with Incredibles 2, but man this video really drove a lot of stuff home that I never even put together myself. It's just so disappointing. I really appreciated the vibe of the video though. It was calm and reasonable, and it made sure to point out what _was_ there. I'm confident that if the film got a proper amount of time, we might've actually ended up with a great movie overall. There were so many moments in this video where alternate scenes or little line changes add SO MUCH. The movie we got felt barebones, despite all of the overlapping plots and ideas. But we can at least see that there were skeletons that could've been fleshed out.

@jerielc709 23 дня назад

this is the first critique of the movie ive seen that i feel really goes to the heart of the problem. ive seen so many reviews that have the same conclusion but i found their arguments weak. i feel at peace knowing someone was able to voice an opinion similar to mine but with much more clarity and articulation than i ever could

@aemovieguyreviews 10 дней назад

Thank you

@joeyblaze2509 27 дней назад

im about to go on a 4 hour walk to go make a payment and im gonna kill most of the time with this bad boy right here

@cliffordcofie3830 25 дней назад

I'm in awe of how people like you can analyze stuff so well

@emeraldsky2823 18 дней назад

I met the person who made brick and some of the other heroes! She was just as passionate about Brick as she was in the behind the scenes with brick essentially being a self-insert. I could tell that they were passionate about designing a lot of the heroes while viewing the concept art she showcased, I wish they were more than just stage pieces for fights and background characters.

@nrdwrd 22 дня назад

thank god someone finally speaks up about how disappointing incredibles 2 really is it isn’t a bad film but it still lacks the suspense, emotion, and character growth the first film had. tbh, the second movie was very bland 😢

@generalseal6948 24 дня назад

1:05:55 why didnt he put the super hero phone in the safe room that way he couldve stayed safe and stil have the heroes come to help

@EnriqueMaxx 24 дня назад

I said the exact same thing! 😂

@christinakozmas 13 дней назад

Especially since it's a landline and the "there's no reception" excuse wouldn't work

@Mal-go5dl 10 дней назад

Bro's braindead

@claranunes5576 26 дней назад

Dude the first movie came out the year that I was BORN. And I have watched it growing up. I am 19 now and Is STILL in my top 10 favorite movies of all time. I was SO hyped when I heard it was going to have a 2⁰ one. And then when it came out... I liked it? But never stuck out to me like the first to the point I FORGOT that existed. Such a major let down. I just found your channel now. And I can't WAIT to see your take on this movie

@jamall7003 26 дней назад

Omg I just realized this film perfectly had set up Violet and Dash sneaking out of the house under Bob's watch to do some vigilante stuff like Bob used to and they blew it!!! Yknow Bob would have joined in with them too or maybe even go against his own wishes after seeing one of them, most likely Dash, Get slightly injured and put an end to it and maybe even have him switch his stance on being Super Heroes along with Helen switching hers. Ughhhh!!! Plus we could have seen if Dash's Super speed also gives him speedy Healing too 😫😫😫

@hay13ybay13y 19 дней назад

The only writer credited is the director Brad Bird. I feel like if he had some collaboration with women on this he might have made Helen’s character as well rounded as Bob’s. Bc as women, most of us relate to the super common, never ending guilt that comes with balancing being your own person and being a caretaker of your family (any members not just kids) like we’re socialized to be. I feel like women in the writing room would have helped flesh out this relatable nuance in Helen’s character, especially since this movie focuses on her more than the last one. p.s. I’m only 30 minutes in so for all i know you say all of this later haha

@aemovieguyreviews 11 дней назад

When Incredibles 2 released on Blu-ray, Pixar actually included a behinds-the-scenes video about their employees, who struggled with juggling parenthood & an animation career: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M8GqcJIDI2I.html

@SonicPlayer2004 26 дней назад

1:08:53 “But instead, the lack of opposition is boring, and that’s why we need more AcTiOn AnD JaCk JaCk! Whoohoo!” I found this quote really funny.

@snekboiboop 26 дней назад

absolutely wonderful day for people with a hyperfixation on the Incredibles (me kinda)

@Fixti0n 26 дней назад

I hate how modern Hollywood dont know what makes a mother strong. Kicking ass is good and all, but Hellen is a mother, and a pretty hekking good one at that. The movie would be so much better if the family was together for the majority of the film, would also help if they had a time skip. Remember, the first came out a decade ago, Jack Jack would be the age of Dash, and Violet would be in her late 20's if they had a 1 to 1 time skip. At least fast forward a few years or so.

@CommanderRedEXE 26 дней назад

The intent honestly seems like they simply wanted to push the false idea than men cannot handle being stay at home or running a household, while also pushing the typical female empowerment story we've come to expect from most Disney/Pixar films. Hollywood really has gone to heck in a handbasket...

@randallbesch2424 23 дня назад

@@CommanderRedEXE hekk?

@voiceunderthecovers 22 дня назад

@@CommanderRedEXEThis is why Bob becomes a better dad and Helen is defeated, of course.

@spinosaurusstriker 21 день назад

@@voiceunderthecovers Bob is portrayed as barely being capable of keeping it together while helen's defeat is nothing compared of how mr incredible was defeated.

@Sh12pen 12 дней назад

It always comes back to not knowing how to write women 💀😔

@lasercraft32 24 дня назад

There seems to be a noticeable stigmatism towards being "motherly" in modern movies and media. As if being a mother is somehow a bad thing. Even in the live action Avatar: The Last Airbender remake, they removed all of Katara's motherly traits. Its like they're afraid to show women doing one of the most noble things a human can do... Being a mother.

@voiceunderthecovers 22 дня назад

I mean.. how about the OTHER Avatar movie with a strong motherly figure that came out relatively recently? Or the fact that Helen is motherly in this movie? Like.. what?

@the_last_ballad 21 день назад

On the other hand, an overcorrection is natural(though not correct) when there is a very insistant section of society that keeps shouting "WOMEN CAN ONLY BE MOTHERS AND NOTHING ELSE. WOMANHOOD IS DEFINED BY YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE BABIES, AND THAT IS YOUR ONLY USE" You know, the kind of people who set up booths at MAGA rallies insisting on socially enforcing Tradwives and arguing against women being allowed to be involved in politics(the one I'm thinking of was run by women, so thats hypocritical), or how conservative media like Ladyballers(which the director originally intended on it being a documentary, but found no sports league would allow trans women to compete without a year+ on HRT, and they couldn't find any men willing to go on HRT just to compete. So instead of accepting their premis was flawed, instead shifted gears to a "comedy") had a heartwarming scene where a father tells his daughter that she will never be as good as a man, but at least she can have babies. Hell, I've seen children's books express the same sentiment. Little boys can run and play sports and all these things... but little girls can have babies, isn't it great how God made everyone good at different things? Media looking down upon being a stay at home parent is an issue, but its not the only weird attitude towards women and motherhood in media.

@Adronitis 20 дней назад

Right?! And that would be OK, except they made it Elastigirls whole personality to be a family woman.

@bobtheball5384 18 дней назад

Tbf they didn't even let Katara have any emotions. She's not allowed to be angry and or sassy she's a shell of herself and none of her traits are shown. Same with Aang honestly.

@lasercraft32 18 дней назад

@@bobtheball5384 Yeah... Most of the characters aren't characterized properly. Even Sokka (who has the least egregious characterization) is a shell of his former self.

@sethmccutcheon9296 24 дня назад

“so simple, even he could do it” is actually a reference to REAL ads from around the time this movie is trying to emulate, they’d market easy to make food products like coffee and what have you as “so easy a man could do it” because it was usually the woman’s job to do that stuff and a lot of men didn’t even know how to make that stuff in the first place.

@FrostyMountain-wo3kl 21 день назад

Except men invented the very thing that women use in the kitchen so it’s all a paradox in itself.

@sethmccutcheon9296 21 день назад

@@FrostyMountain-wo3kl idk, I just know it was a marketing campaign 🤷‍♂️ plus I’m sure it’s not a surprise that a lot of people weren’t very smart back then especially when it came to advertising.

@spinosaurusstriker 21 день назад

@@sethmccutcheon9296 It doesn't work because the misogynistic logic was that because men invented it it may be complicated for women but is not , here is just a reverse slogan without lore explaination , kind if like if i made a movie where space related stuff is nonexistent and i made a amongus reference.

@nathancollins1715 9 дней назад

@@FrostyMountain-wo3klYeah, but it was effective for the average man because he DIDN'T invent that stuff, and therefore didn't know how to use it very well.

@TrisStrudel 23 дня назад

I’m not far into the video but I hope you bring up how Frozone saves the day for the first crisis, saves the kids from the mind control, and saves everyone on the yacht… but NEVER gets the credit.

@Rikrobat 15 дней назад

After watching this movie in the theatre with my family, my editor brain said: there needed to be more time for building plot and character development, they really should have cut the Jak Jak versus raccoon scene.” And when I expressed this issue, my three siblings and stepmom expressed that it was their favourite scene. It was one of those moments where I just pondered the value of fluff entertainment in a movie versus bolstering the plot/character development. But it just felt like a scene that would be good as a blooper or fun extra feature on the DVD.

@mikanchan322 26 дней назад

Ugh and they couldve done so many interesting things with the family grappling with their changing roles as supers become legal again. Bob and Helen trying to relive the glory days, but realizing that its not the same now that theyre older and have kids to protect. Violet and Dash dealing with taking on the responsibility and attention of being super, etc...

@TheEmpireDabsBack 23 дня назад

I love this idea! Exactly they would start by trying to relive the glory days with big events and saving tons of people, but then they're both missing some big achievements, as they start to reprioritize, they realize they don't even want to be out there supering all the time, they'd rather be there to foster and mentor their children into becoming the best they can. But this shift away from supering after it's legal again, ends up brewing the conflict in which the kids must save the parents, which they all learn to be who they are, not put too much into either supering or family but to let it all come as it comes, as long as they do it together.

@OutlawGrrl 25 дней назад

These types of in-depth, long form videos are my jam

@Vilmion 25 дней назад

I've always wanted more long form videos like this but I often end up feeling really bored by them. This consistently makes great points, and I think you've made a real effort to understand this movie and why it is the way it is. Feel free to cook again 🔥

@aemovieguyreviews 25 дней назад

Thank you

@FlameEffigy 18 дней назад

Why did they make all the other new superheroes look so....weird in this movie. Everyone in the incredibles are stylized, but the new supers here go beyond stylization and seem to be purposefully ugly. very strange.

@Light-Rock97 13 дней назад

This was brutal and precise. It's insane to me that they took this long a gap between movie and had *NOTHING* better prepared. It's craaayzy.

@billybarnett9518 5 дней назад

The long gap was taken because Brad struggled with an idea for a sequel, this was what he ultimately came up.

@CherryHotSauce 19 дней назад

This video is such an undiscovered gem rn

@nope19568 26 дней назад

one thing i hated was that they totally changed the time period that the universe was set in, it was supposed to be a family from the 70s/80s and then out of nowhere they swap to 2020 for the sake of having modern tech

@CommanderRedEXE 26 дней назад

60s/70s, but close enough. Honestly, seeing how some of the new supers were blatantly LGBT stereotypes to some degree or other, that's likely the true reason it's set in modern time. LGBT wasn't really publicly accepted in the 60s/70s and so the new designs wouldn't work at all. But that's to be expected given who does most of the writing in Hollywood, and what their ideologies tend to be, and how often the love putting them before the story these days.

@voiceunderthecovers 22 дня назад

@@CommanderRedEXEokay first of all, the movie is still set in the 50s, so no idea where either of you came up with that. Secondly, the LGBT characters you’re speaking of are barely even implied to be a metaphor for gay and trans people, and are never confirmed gay in the slightest. It’s you who believes that flashy colors and dyed hair is “gay”. Thirdly, Hollywood fucking hates gay people and has for years. Voice of Batman Kevin Conroy was called the f slur multiple times by Hollywood execs. Disney themselves censor gay characters and scenes for international markets because international markets want to KILL gay people. You are not a marginalized group. You’re punching down on people who have done nothing to you. Grow up.

@veronicageorge3825 20 дней назад

@@CommanderRedEXE The LGBT stuff went over my head when watching this movie.

@NicheXCC 19 дней назад

They did? What the hell? They made a retcon that bad?

@jbear3478 19 дней назад

They should’ve made it set in an alt world where cool tech was available in the 80s, it would’ve been a fun opportunity to use their imaginations

@naomigonzalez4573 26 дней назад

i always noticed bobs anger and jealousy as a kid and disliked him after this movie. Rewatching the first they rlly butchered his character and turned him into an incel lol

@naomigonzalez4573 26 дней назад

i guess both him and helen were just awfulll :(

@jbear3478 19 дней назад

Bob didn’t do shit

@PremiumCheeses 26 дней назад

Here before this blows the hell up

@unripetheberrby6283 26 дней назад

70 Likes 😊 I wonder how many it'll have soon!

@CatGuyNeko 26 дней назад

This is definitely gonna do numbers!

@CaptainSoftboy501 26 дней назад

🙋🏼

@jairesemccoy9779 25 дней назад

Overestimating peoples' short attention span.

@christianbell8347 20 дней назад

It's not a bomb, dummy.

@WhoseyWho 13 дней назад

"Biologically" very clever, first time that one's been used

@comp.lex4 10 дней назад

Right? :/

@hookedonphoenix3112 13 дней назад

Using the upbeat ‘here we go again’ ending of the first movie as the opening that sets the conflict of the second is next-level terrible. I saw the first one once as a kid, and that still bothered me since it’s a complete 180 in tone from one to the other. Start off with a different action scene where something terrible happens that’s out of the family’s hands, flash forward five years so the characters can grow a little, and have a similar scenario at the end, only with the team preventing it this time. This isn’t rocket science, guys.

@VixenLovelove 9 дней назад

I’ve seen a TON of video essays and this is one on the best!!! It’s insanely in depth and I love how you always follow your critiques with creative solutions. Anyone can say something is bad but it takes an artist to observe what works, what can be improved, and how it’ll come together. Seriously fan freaking tastic job on this video!

@aemovieguyreviews 9 дней назад

Thank you

@CraftingMenace 25 дней назад

I do find it funny that at the end you reveal the review is about 4 years late and you had to stitch it all together, given some of the final talks about how Disney likely pressured with deadlines. It's just a funny small thing. This is a great review/opinion piece. I really enjoyed your ideas for how to re-write parts, as a casual writer myself I think all the changes you talked about are all changes that would make a great story, *especially* the part about Evelyn's backstory, honestly you gave me a very amusing idea of if the story was swapped around a bit, just a little bit, they could have made a great reference to the first movie I'd have appreciated. Something like, Helen is tied up not in a place where she can't use her power, and while Evelyn explains her backstory, Helen is moving a hand to a computer to send say, the location she's at to Bob for him to come save her, and as Evelyn is finishing, she notices, stops her last sentence and tases the hand again like she was during the Screen Slaver fight, and Helen just goes through the pain "Heh... I caught you monologuing" before Evelyn just turns on the mind control very annoyed. Then the rest of the movie can continue like normal except instead of Bob getting called somewhere by Evelyn as a setup she takes the opportunity and sets up how she gets Bob. Same end result where they both get captured, but adds a fun chance for a backstory scene to be a bit more dynamic than just a flashback. Anyway, very good job on the whole project, listened from beginning to end in one sitting.

@Lyscha23 20 дней назад

What an amazing break down. I'd love to see more in-depth movie opinion videos like this- and maybe make it your channel's thing because seriously, your quality is impeccable and people WILL stick.

@sammyjohnson5596 11 дней назад

What I don’t understand is why the sequel HAD to start with the Underminer fight? I never saw it as a cliffhanger. I saw it as, like you said, they’re back. The second movie should’ve started completely different

@ryanhodin5014 7 дней назад

Yeah, I think a lot of the "character regression" problems would feel less offensive if it was a few years later - Slipping back into old habits because change is hard, instead of just people switching who they are basically instantly, in-universe. I thought it was a neat idea to pick up where they left off when I first heard that was the direction they chose, and maybe it could work if they told a different story with different characterization, but for what they put on screen that really hurt the movie a lot.

@billybarnett9518 5 дней назад

@@ryanhodin5014 Bird didn't wanna do a time jump, he wanted to pick up right where the first left off. He wanted to keep the kids as kids, especially Jack Jack.

@ryanhodin5014 5 дней назад

@@billybarnett9518 Totally understandable. I thought it was neat too, and I still think it could have worked... If they had invested a LOT more in making the characters and setting fit well with the end of the first movie, or at least provided a smooth transition. If they didn't want to do that, which evidently they didn't based on the movie we got, they needed to move the setting to give time for us to imagine it happened in before we picked the movie back up.

@billybarnett9518 5 дней назад

@@ryanhodin5014 They had Gazerbeam's memorial service that would've tied the two movies together nicely, but that was left on the cutting room floor.

@nikibogwater6598 21 день назад

Just wanted to come back and add, on a more personal note--I really, *really* feel you on the struggles of being a creator, maintaining discipline and accepting criticism without losing your optimism and creativity is really hard. I've had those long dry spells myself as a writer, and even now I'm still a little scared that I'll just never "make it," or "be good enough." It was comforting to find out I wasn't alone, and encouraging to see you made such a great video even with all of that struggle. So, thanks for that, and I wish you all the luck in the world with your future (hopefully not evil) endeavors. 💖

@aemovieguyreviews 10 дней назад

I'm glad to hear that my story could help you feel less alone. I wish you well, too.

@gabriellegillen 25 дней назад

Such a good video. Truly. I'm really impressed with your level of explanation and analysis. You were able to put to words a lot of the qualms I had with the movie, like the "character assassination" of basically the entire Parr family. I was beyond sad to see how Bob was portrayed in this movie. Did the first movie arc not even happen?! How was he reduced to a caricature of only the egotistical part of himself? The Incredibles 2 is basically the Incredibles but less good and with more saturated, detailed animation. This seems to be a common trend in movies, that they take the first movie's story beats and overlay the sequel on it. It becomes the same movie, but more diluted and tiresome. (Although many individual elements of the movie were solid, in the long run, the first film will make a greater cultural and societal impact) It's such a shame the filmmakers weren't given more time to make this movie the masterpiece the original is. So many pieces were there, they just needed time (and perhaps less involvement from Disney as a whole). Again, awesome video and thanks for the incredible work you did to make it!!!

@burgerking6314 25 дней назад

I do wonder what the quality of film would be if they were given that year of production. Because this movie has so much potential but ultimately squandered it. Although one good thing was the fact it wasn't outright a bad movie but just mediocre with good sprinkled in here and there.

@jbear3478 19 дней назад

They had a damn decade

@bobbywest8765 24 дня назад

I love this breakdown -- and honestly when y ou were talking about the kids having perfect powers for beating Screenslaver, my mind couldn't help but get trapped in how NARATIVELY PERFECT THAT IS when Evelyn was being so condescending towards kids and family. It's like.. how did they not use that? (Granted, you've got 3 hours of "WHY DID THEY NOT USE THAT?!" so yeah, haha) Great vid, man!

@aemovieguyreviews 10 дней назад

Thank you

@_axetrax1 13 дней назад

love the editing in this video. makes the context really coherent to understand with the actual clips being played next to their discussion. the use of the dialogue clips as a part of the script was also really cute. every clip used as b-roll also seems to totally make sense and few clips are overused for such a long video, which is easy to take for granted until you understand how many videos arent at all good at this. perfect example of simple yet great video editing

@aemovieguyreviews 11 дней назад

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it when videos provide examples & context, and I tried to incorporate that into this video.

@everlastingdragon4520 18 дней назад

One note about the insurance argument against superhero: maybe, in response, we could have had this. Bob: It we hadn't stopped the drill, City Hall would be gone and dozens, if not *hundreds* more people would be dead. You can insure buildings, but you can't insure people's lives. If the two men continue to push the insurance angle... Bob or Helen: Do people's lives really matter less to you than the buildings?! Also, to be fair, I think the movie did *intentionally* make Evelyn's statements hypocritical to hammer home both that she's wrong and that she's projecting her own flaws onto her brother (lashing out at all members of a certain group of people who have done nothing wrong to you personally is certainly a rather childish thing to do).

@ryonalionthunder 10 дней назад

Arguing property damage vs lives would make sense if say for example the heroes would cause damage to stop the villain. Like say knocking over an expensive statue to create a barrier. Arguing over damaging a building that would have been completely destroyed anyway would not make sense. “Your meddling cost us a million dollars instead of a billion and… I forgot my point.”😅

@everlastingdragon4520 10 дней назад

@@ryonalionthunder Fair; the Incredibles did definitely lessen the damage the Underminer could have caused, since they stopped the giant drill from both hitting what looks to be a massive skyscraper, as well as City Hall.

@Alex-os8jp 6 дней назад

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel Helen should be the one to ask the question about people's lives mattering less than the buildings. Would make sense for her to back up her husband in this argument.

@everlastingdragon4520 6 дней назад

@@Alex-os8jp Either of them would work, really.

@elizabethhelizacoptersilko7767 10 дней назад

39:20 “Jack-Jack has the third most screen time.” “And he’s not even toilet-trained!” XD

@kusoyarou 26 дней назад

I dont see many recommendations to upvote but I'd like to see you talk about any movie you care about or from a franchise you love, think about a lot, or that you think has an interesting story behind its creation. I enjoyed this one because it was thoughtful and it felt like you cared a lot about the movie and how it affected a property you seemed to really enjoy (Incredibles). I enjoyed the humor quite a bit with the stitching in of clips. And because I felt like it told a really nice story not only of why you have the opinion stated at the beginning but also the story of why the movie may have turned out this way with a lot of behind the scenes information and using the words of the cast and crew as direct evidence to help tell that story for you. I learned a lot while having a good time and importantly you have expanded my understanding and viewpoint on the film. I'm a frequent longform movie and story analysis listener and this is top quality IMO. Didnt even realize this was a smaller channel until the end section. I expected 500k at least based on the content. Cheers.

@aemovieguyreviews 25 дней назад

Thank you

@quirkyhamster9072 25 дней назад

This was such a well thought out review. It really addressed a lot of things that I thought I was crazy for thinking, I'm so glad I'm not the only one. As a stay at home mom, I was pretty bummed to watch as Helen just did not seem to care or be effected by going back into the working world. Heck, when we call a babysitter so my husband and I can have some much needed date time I feel twitchy for like the first half hour because my kids aren't with me. My kids are all still very young (4, 2, 1), so I am never away from them pretty much the entire day. I would loved to have seen her go through an adjustment period and maybe some well thought out conflict that could resolve in a way that gives hope to those of us who wonder how we're going to make the transition when our kids are older and don't need us as much anymore. Additionally, I would really have liked to see the contrast between Evelyn and Helen be more thought out, it would have been a great way to rework in that barbeque scene from the first movie! The concept of Superhero Family felt a bit lost on this film and it's such a shame! The way Helen belittles Bob and doesn't react defensively when he's talked down about especially when he isn't around? That honestly made me feel sick inside, I would never let anyone talk about my husband that way, it's just not right. I would love to see more long form reviews like this one!

@Zelda00Gamer 25 дней назад

1:11:38 this is something that bugged me about the first movie. If a firefighter team put out a trampoline/giant cushion and saved that guy trying to end himself at the start of the first movie they wouldn’t have faced any charges. That’s their job. Save everyone even if they want to not be saved. Heck, that guy jumping off that building is doing it so publicly it’s almost like he wants to be stopped? I also doubt that Mr. Incredible saving him was the first ever time there was a moral quandary about it so it’s a bit disingenuous. So addressing that would’ve been actually interesting. Like the legal protection of supers and if they have any kind of code (do no harm etc)

@jackthenarrator4735 25 дней назад

I'm only a few minutes into your video essay/review, but I just had to say I'm very relieved to see your unexpected return AEmovieguy. I discovered your channel back in December 2017; enamored by your valid & heartfelt criticisms toward THE LAST JEDI. I was upset that more people hadn't discovered your channel and assumed that you had given up and moved on to something else. Despite being subscribed to your channel for the past 6 years, I only received notification of this video 3 days after premiering. Regardless, it's so great to see you come back in a BIG way, and I hope we will be seeing more new reviews (be they long or short form) in the near future.

@aemovieguyreviews 25 дней назад

Thank you for staying subscribed all this time! We'll see where things go from here.

@ItsMe-cp8xc 17 дней назад

It just doesn’t make sense. The first one, they knew and understand their characters, their story, the feel they were going for, *everything*. It didn’t talk down to its audience; it felt earnest, heartfelt. I don’t understand how they could miss the mark on basically everything, completely losing familiarity and understanding of their characters, it’s even more like a kids movie (and cheap in laughs and feels at that) than the first which is also crazy that the goal was for it to be taken seriously at all.

@HiThere-zf7yr 18 дней назад

I love these types of long form animation analysis videos, this one in particular was very good! Thanks for posting!

@aemovieguyreviews 11 дней назад

Thank you for watching

@lordgaben7583 10 дней назад

This video is unironically one of my favorite videos on the platform. The humor is like I'm joking around with my buddies. Keep up the good work man!

@LimeliteXD 19 дней назад

Thank you for fighting through to get us this behemoth of a review. Welcome back, we're proud of you whether you take three weeks or three years to get us that next one

@aemovieguyreviews 11 дней назад

Thank you

@doctoquack7829 24 дня назад

I will never forgive this movie for wasting Bob Obenkirk like this.

@Tomyotan 18 дней назад

The thing I've always said is I think pointing the focus on Violet as the new generation could have worked better; have Helen be her guardian as she becomes a member of a teen (all girl) group ah la Sailor Moon or The Planeteers, the family is split and now Bob has to take up parenting half his kids while having to worry about Violet's safety from what he sees on the news, Helen becomes a mentor and idol to basically the same characters they already introduced in 2 but it feeds into her mothering nature, the two parents are now at odds because they're both struggling with what they think is best for them. It could make illusions to where progression of super hero tropes went, it could explain why Helen would maybe not push back against Evelyn's quips because she's trying to not trample her daughter's ambition, it could give conflict to Violet who's now frustrated between trying to keep her relationship that was just starting to form, it could hurt Dash for something that makes him feel left behind when he's more invested in heroism than his sister. Only half way through the video but its something that got reignited in me that I wish I had seen. Helen's switch up always felt like such a betrayl because to me, it can *come off* like Brad Bird superficially addresses feminist ideas through the lens of whoever his wife is at the moment rather than considering reasons a stay at home mother he doesn't know would make her choices.

@MichaelStrawn_I_am 26 дней назад

Is this video 5 years in the making?😂

@AbrasiousProductions 13 дней назад

I have no idea why my boyfriend defends this movie... I'm half tempted to send him this video.

@squiddler7731 26 дней назад

Ngl, for all of this movie's issues it's kinda shocking that even with an entire year of production chopped off, it's still as competent as it is. The real shame is that there's probably a version of the movie where they had time to see and address many of these issues with the screenplay, and we'll never get to see it.