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Remember this? Good times. I burned one of these out already, so I took another swing at it and finally finished. I'll be using this for heat treating small parts. I'm also planning on implementing a larger power supply and will do a super quick video on how that goes.
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Induction Heater: www.amazon.ca/...
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(Too Small) Power supply: www.amazon.ca/...
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@AdictoALosCantaritos
@AdictoALosCantaritos 6 лет назад
use a pc liquid cooling radiator so you can lower the cooling time
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
That's a brilliant idea. To Amazon!
@peterciurea7771
@peterciurea7771 4 года назад
your coil is wrong shape. Make another with fewer turns so the effect area can be focused on the tool holder only and not the endmill body. Caution, the coil need to balance with the capacitors. Do some googling for that.
@knickly
@knickly 6 лет назад
Couple thoughts: 1) increasing the frequency decreases "skin depth", which could be helpful for tooling. 2) a high discharge lithium ion battery pack could let you up the power considerably. I know some ebike guys are pushing 60kW, and some high discharge 18650s are good for 30-45 amps each. 3) it'd be interesting to place an alumina or quartz tube inside the coil, with parts inside the tube (run horizontal). I think that could be a neat arrangements for heat-treating. Either is cheap on eBay, but alumina is refractory.
@rowandunn2403
@rowandunn2403 6 лет назад
With the backstory i like hlaps1990 even more, now it has character
@davidswe98
@davidswe98 6 лет назад
imo just hlaps would be better
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I think my biggest problem with it is that its impossible to pronounce if you try to read it out. I do like names with a story behind them
@nraynaud
@nraynaud 6 лет назад
I think steel has a thermal expansion a bit more than twice that of tungsten carbide, according to a rapid googling. And it looks like steel conducts electricity a bit better too. My point is that it seems that you have a fighting chance with a slow heating.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I'll definitely try again before I switch the power supply. My understanding was that even if the tungsten carbide doesn't expand as much, it's still a press fit at high temperature and that the best way to get it out it to have hot steel and cool-ish tungsten carbide. The other factor is how long you want to wait for your tool I guess.
@fasousa4798
@fasousa4798 6 лет назад
after you heat the assembly spray the mill with some brake cleaner. It should cool down the mill really quick.
@MinhDangcraft
@MinhDangcraft 4 года назад
Good to know a standard psu/pc one would work. I am looking into variacs and relays to make mine safe lol. Having a portable bolt "tau cannon" seems to be super cool! Nice work!
@robertanderson8613
@robertanderson8613 5 лет назад
Coil diameter should be 1/2 to 2/3 larger diameter then the workpiece basically as close as possible without shorting to the sides great video do a bit on your power supply circuit
@jacobkaltz1958
@jacobkaltz1958 4 года назад
Bro I have the same Circuit but I’m running it at 1200 Watts
@dunichtich100
@dunichtich100 6 лет назад
Good decision to change the channel-name ;)
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Haha I've been thinking about it for so long, its great to hear others agree :P
@reallycoooool
@reallycoooool 6 лет назад
Hello! When the induction heater is i your shop, you can use one of those tanks that hold windshield cleaner liquid in cars. There are tanks that have one compartment. A larger reservoir tank will help you, and longer and thinner hoses might also function as a diy radiator. Just an idea. Thanks for makeing videos.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Thanks! I like the windshield washer tank idea. My first instinct was just to have a larger tank of water that drains into the pump and gets "refilled", but of course I want to keep it nice and compact. I'll look into longer and thinner hoses (Maybe even another section of copper tubing just for cooling?)
@reallycoooool
@reallycoooool 6 лет назад
hlaps1990 Cool idea! Break line tube might bee cheaper (even the pure copper premium versions) than copper tube bought at the store. The induction heater already has a «moonshiner» vibe, so more «coils» of mettal will complete the distillary look.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I'll have to check that out. I should use a wooden cask as a reservoir too:P
@james10739
@james10739 6 лет назад
You could place some water or oil or something under so the end mil is being kept cool
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
i'm gunna try this!
@tonynchrissy420
@tonynchrissy420 6 лет назад
I always look forward to seeing your new videos!! The way you explain everything makes it fun and educational to watch.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Thanks Tony and/or Chrissy! That means a lot!
@james10739
@james10739 6 лет назад
Your mat is upside down
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
still works!
@DimaProk
@DimaProk 5 лет назад
good setup, except it bugs me that you're using your power supply as a "stand" with water hose connections right above mains! You're blocking the cooling fan too on PS.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
Yeah maybe a bit unsafe lol. I don't think I showed it, but I usually run things i've wired myself through a ground fault interrupt outlet so if any funny business happens it shits right off. The plan was to put everything in a nice enclosure eventually (and not block the fan), but I only ever use it for like 5-10 mins at a time.
@justinwhetten7155
@justinwhetten7155 4 года назад
Question for the switch you have, instead of the switch can you put a PID there?
@justinwhetten7155
@justinwhetten7155 4 года назад
Question for the switch you have, instead of the switch can you put a PID there?
@spartancaptain5691
@spartancaptain5691 5 лет назад
Nice video. The biggest problem is obviously your power supply is just not up to par. It is actually 7.3A not 7.8 and rated for 350W. And you are not likely to get that on 120v.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I replaced it with a new PSU and its pretty awesome now. It really needs 1kW to reach its potential
@ratgreen
@ratgreen 6 лет назад
Maybe put a small cup of water underneath and leave the end mill slightly submerged in the water to keep it cool while the holder heats up. I need to finish my induction heater....I too get distracted by projects
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
A couple of people have suggested this... I'm going to try it before I try the new power supply!
@evanm6491
@evanm6491 5 лет назад
maybe you have adhd like me start easy finishing not so much
@robertanderson8613
@robertanderson8613 5 лет назад
I used them for bearings etc ..i installed a new main shaft in a 1 ton Muncie 4 speed I put the shaft in the freezer overnight and heated the bearings they dropped on so easy I thought I had a problem when it all hit room temp ..wow definitely have to use large hydraulic press to remove them I think the tooling would work great
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I got a proper sized power supply and now I loan it to the shop at my work for their heat shrink tooling. It's a bit slow but it works!
@HomeDistiller
@HomeDistiller 6 лет назад
A couple of tips.. If I may :) add a current meter it will help indicate if your in the ideal location inside the coil (although this is normally dead centre) also to help keep the system cool I'd wire the pump directly into the psu, so it will continue cooling the coil and more importantly the water when your not heating
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Both good suggestions. If I have room in the enclosure I'll definitely add a current sensor. I'm also going to add a radiator and fan so I'll probably rewire that. Good to hear from u!
@ciscohernandez4384
@ciscohernandez4384 4 года назад
Hello, thanks for the video. I watched part 1 as well and have a lot of interest in getting something like this to work for shrink fit tool holders used with carbide tooling. Any plans on making a video that finalizes that design?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 4 года назад
Hey Cisco, I've actually loaned this unit to the shop at my work for 40 taper shrink fit tooling and it seems to be working as-is. I think all it really needs is an enclosure... maybe I'll get around to that some day
@kentklapstein9879
@kentklapstein9879 6 лет назад
Hook up to a tap and let it run. I hope this doesn’t offend: First of I believe in conservation, I am lucky to live where I turn on the tap and clean great tasting cool water comes out.... How ever... I used to run a still, I did the math and it was cheaper and more effective to just run the cooling tower off the tap and let run out the drain.....
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
That's funny, I know someone who used to run a still, he did the exact same calculation and came to the same conclusion!
@Ice_Industrial_Auto
@Ice_Industrial_Auto 6 лет назад
dude, where did you get the protective sleeve from? the white stuff on the coil.. and whats it called exactly? Any idea where i can get it from in south africa?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
It's called high temperature sleeving. I just got it from McMaster-Carr, a US supplier, however I doubt they ship to SA. One thing I was thinking of doing is casting the copper coils into a plaster tube to prevent shorts. Plaster can withstand very high temperatures and is widely available. I never did try it, but perhaps you could!
@StefsEngineering
@StefsEngineering 6 лет назад
Thanks for sharing and especially trying out what we talked about on Instagram! This is quite a large toolholder you have, I saw a setup like that on the Technishow I visited a couple of weeks ago. I got a demonstration at the Haimer booth and I noticed that they use a double coil setup and the smallest version is rated at 10kW on 400V (so 10times the coil you use for this test) and up to 33kW. I am still curious though if it can be done with a similar setup (dual coil but done with these ebay induction heaters) and with smaller diameter toolholders (so for the 1/8" shank tools) and on a SK15 toolholder or HSK E25 (Similar to this but with less "meat" that needs to be heated: www.haimer-usa.com/products/tool-holders/din-69893-hsk-a-hsk-e-hsk-f/hsk-e25/shrink-fit-chuck/mini-shrink-chuck-extra-slim.html) I won't bother asking you to try it, I will do that myself in the near future. Pretty cool: That setup haimer demonstrated heats so fast that it can be used with HSS tools
@EmperorDevilhunter
@EmperorDevilhunter 6 лет назад
I had the same exact idea on mind! I made some shrink fit toolholders (TTS shank and same size body where the tool grips) and I just use a torch to load and unload tools. My homemades TIR is 5 microns 10cm away of the spindle nose, awsome. We have the Haimer version at work, but is way too expensive for the home shop. My biggest concern with those ZVS induction heaters is the power supply. I want to try 4 car batteries on series with a 1800W unit. If that's not enough I'm thinking on making my own unit, a big H-bridge with microcontroler will let us modify the frequency acording to the toolholder size, getting the perfect heating. Looking foward to see your experiments. Maybe we can all talk and share our ideas and experiences.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I think you'd have a much better chance with smaller tool holders. I'm sure the haimer ones can use 220V or 460V power and push a lot of power through the coils. I'm still optimistic about 40 taper tools, when I get the bigger power supply we'll see. Some of the big industrial induction heaters are so powerful you can run material through them continuously (I think this is how they temper chains)
@GaryGrumble
@GaryGrumble 6 лет назад
You need a radiator in the water system. You have added water mass to absorb heat but when the water heats up you are back where you started. If the water boils you have a real problem.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I really underestimated the actual amount of heat generation. I was thinking it would reach a thermal equilibrium much faster. I think I'm going to try a radiator :P. Makes a neat kettle though!
@ianproffitt3679
@ianproffitt3679 6 лет назад
Start something and cant finish....i can relate to that...sub from NZ, keep up the good work!
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Thanks Ian! I guess starting stuff we can't finish is a worldwide problem :P
@Firstathardware
@Firstathardware 6 лет назад
Thank you for a great video! I like your approach towards the projects, “higher end” quality parts, attention to details and good knowledge of mechanical engineering. I also do like your current name of the channel! Please keep going, I will try to support you through the patreon page!
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Thanks a lot Nikita!
@EmperorDevilhunter
@EmperorDevilhunter 6 лет назад
I'm probably the guy who asked about the heat shrink tooling, thank you very much for this experiment! I made 8 tool holders this easter, got them with awsome TIR. I can get in and out the tool with the torch easily. May try a 1800W unit, the problem is the power supply (my CNC power supply is 48V, 400W). I'm thinking on using 4 car batteries on series...
@EmperorDevilhunter
@EmperorDevilhunter 6 лет назад
I saw your other video again and I wasn't, but I thinking on doing it!
@RobB_VK6ES
@RobB_VK6ES 6 лет назад
www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1292514-How-to-convert-Server-Power-Supplies
@EmperorDevilhunter
@EmperorDevilhunter 6 лет назад
Problem is you still need several supplies to get 48V. With less voltage you may not reach rated current
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
It's all about power. Most of the chinese linear power supplies are less than 500W. Four car batteries could work. I was actually thinking of implementing a battery-based power multiplier (I imagine I'll get some hate for calling it that,) but basically an electrical flywheel that lets a machine draw much higher peak power when needed. I was actually thinking of using it for a spindle motor, but this could be a good application.
@joshwarner5676
@joshwarner5676 6 лет назад
Looking forward to seeing what you've got in store for the cnc lathe. That's the project that brought me to your channel.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I think that's the project that brought a lot of people here and now I'm playing with induction heaters :P. I'm really excited for the CNC lathe stuff too!
@Truthsaberslash
@Truthsaberslash 5 лет назад
Do the coils ever get hot if nothing is ever placed in it to heat up?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 5 лет назад
I believe they do without water cooling, yes, although with water cooling I don't think they would get dangerously hot without being used.
@peterclark6005
@peterclark6005 6 лет назад
You might find that you can reduce the number of coils to tune the resonant frequency, having said that a new coil can be easily wound with salt packed in a straight tube and then dissolved once wound. i have heard that there are certain frequencies for certain tasks but you should get better at making them so you can swap out new ones...
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Salt packing is an amazing idea! I've spent lots of time trying to think of how I can wind coils without kinks. Sand might get stuck. Ice would just break. Ball bearings would get stuck. Salt. I'll have to try that!
@peterclark6005
@peterclark6005 6 лет назад
yeah i have been meaning to get one of these myself... good luck with your channel.
@slicksquared4336
@slicksquared4336 6 лет назад
Actually ice works quite well. You are correct that it breaks, but importantly it does not "crush".
@RGSneaker
@RGSneaker 6 лет назад
I think the magnetism rule about efficiency falls with the square of the distance applies to your coil diameter
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Yeah so I think that's why really small workpieces in a large coil don't work so well, though larger pieces (say a tube that doesn't have a lot of thermal mass) still fall into like a weak zone near the coil. I really should play with different coil diameters:P
@RGSneaker
@RGSneaker 6 лет назад
Maybe you could bend several different diameters and have an "easy" release connection. Maybe one coil for each "known item" you are going to heat - like for instance if the shrink fit tooling is a necessary job, wind a coil that fits.
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
Yeah for sure. I would imagine different taper sizes would need different coil sizes. I'm certainly open to a bit of inefficiency for convenience (a general purpose heat treating coil would be nice) but if I had 100 of something to heat treat I'd put a lot more thought into coil geometry.
@teddytavernier7522
@teddytavernier7522 6 лет назад
Don't worry your not the only one who needs to work on project completion
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
:P
@AFAMINE
@AFAMINE 6 лет назад
can you melt iron an copper with this induction heater ??
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I dont think you could melt iron with this induction heater just because it doesn't get hot enough. Copper and aluminum are more difficult to heat up because they conduct electricity much better than steel and iron so the eddy currents don't generate as much heat
@jackgeedubs1855
@jackgeedubs1855 6 лет назад
Could you get more heat out of it if you make the coil shorter?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I always have a hard time keeping these relationships straight, but I think: *shorter coil = less inductance = faster current stability = faster heating*, but not necessarily hotter. I think more current in general drives the max heat
@katana1960
@katana1960 5 лет назад
The video starts at 3:35
@klab3929
@klab3929 4 года назад
Video actually starts at 00:00
@KaptenS1
@KaptenS1 6 лет назад
A radiator with a fan for the water system?
@TabletopMachineShop
@TabletopMachineShop 6 лет назад
I'm definitely going to try this!
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 6 лет назад
00:45 hahaha Are you running it on mains frequency (50-60Hz)? The induction tooling setup I've seen ran 10-40kHz, supposedly the higher the frequency the faster but shallower the heating.
@HomeDistiller
@HomeDistiller 6 лет назад
It's DC power supply.. Did you stop watching at 00:46 ?
@HomeDistiller
@HomeDistiller 6 лет назад
Beach&BoardFan your a dead set drop kick
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 6 лет назад
I dont know if thats a compliment or an insult
@HomeDistiller
@HomeDistiller 6 лет назад
Beach&BoardFan you don't seem to know much do you?
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 6 лет назад
I can say one thing for sure... your mustache is shite!
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