Just switched to a 305 w/ hydra from a roval traverse and am completely spoiled with the engagement. I also love the fact that I do not need a bell when descending as I now sound like a swarm of bees! 8)
Man, I just can't wrap my head around the whole "flex will automatically engage 2-4 more pawls depending on how much torque is applied" thing. I'm sure they've done their homework, but my admittedly simple mind sure likes the "entire face of a DT ratchet always engaging, no matter what" scenario much better..... Great video as always guys! Your channel is so freakin' good.
We hear ya - the whole concept of any hardened material bending is tough to get a true grasp on. The best way to truly see it is under a microscope, but that's a tough angle to get a video of. However, we tested the product for 2+ years and got plenty of field samples out before our launch to ensure we could 100% stand behind the product. Hope you get a chance to check it out!
I have a 2016 Focus Raven max SL with DT XRC 1200 and upgraded to the 54 tooth hub, sounds so cool and I really cant imagine anyone needing more engagement. Yeah the more engagement pawls the better and those teeth look so tiny so lets see how things work in the real world after some time and abuse, have to admit they do look hotttt on a high end bike
FYI, for a pair of 32 spoke wheels with the choice of 11 different colors, there are 65268343537143736977925527144667849979675453569710942641839519790994481 (6.5x10^70) different options to choose from. If you want the front and back to be the same, you'll have to settle on one of the 255476698618765889551019445759400441 unique options.
@@solobellimino2356 Half the people I ride with around Asheville have them. Every time I've tried them I haven't really noticed a difference other than the loud hornets chasing me.
I think i9 should offer the old Torch hub with the updated end caps, and pawl system. Seems like leafs could give the same pressure as the springs without being so apt to wanting fly away. Some of us want our wheels loud. Other ideas would be to put stiffer leafs in the Hydra hubs to make it louder. Either is an option many of us would pay extra for. 1. Stiff leaf pack for the Hydra, $29.95 cant see 6 pieces of metal costing much more. 2. Torch 2.0 updated torch hubs. With the same loudness you always loved. Same price as Hyda
You can always make Hydra louder by adding oil. It's admittedly a slightly different sound due to the increased teeth on the drivering, but definitely can get pretty loud if that's what you're looking for!
I’m planning on building a 650b gravel set. It looks like the Mtn wheels are the only way to get 6bolt disc. I’m just not a fan of CL and like all my bikes to have 6bolt wheels. I’ll give you a call when I’m ready to configure a Wheelset
Let’s face it no one buys these for the instant engagement hubs or for the fact that they are made in the U.S.A You get the for the awesome sound they make!
I have I9's Torch and White Industries CLD and I prefer my CLD hubs. Better quality for the price. That said, I just got another set of wheels built and chose the White Industries again.
Absolutely love my Hydras! Noticeably less drag than the Torches and perfect volume from the factory. Although...I’m tempted to run oil for that nice loud ZZZZZ!!!
You can just get the hub but you will need new spokes as well and pay for install. Often times it just makes more sense to buy the whole wheel. If you want to try to pull something off like this just shoot us an email at info@worldwidecyclery.com and we can help out.
You can disengage the majority of them with a differential from the weight of 1 under load. Magnets are useful. Let me know if you want me to sketch it
I’m planning on building a light weight freeride enduro bike for park, Dh, and enduro. Would you recommend the Grade or Enduro 305. Is there a noticeable difference in strength to compensate for the weight difference?
They sure do! Usually just have to special-order them because it's a lot less common than the standard 6 bolt. Feel free to reach out to us anytime and we are happy to help you out. Info@worldwidecyclery.com - 805-375-4525
when they talk about engagement, are they talking about the # of grooves in the hubs prawls to catch.? 2nd ? My stock hub is a 3 prawl driver by e13. would effect would goign to a 6 prawl systme Have?
Do they have a 40mm wide rim? I'm running 27.5+ tires and 30mm is too narrow in my opinion. I see the Backcountry 45's but is that too wide? BTW - Original wheels were annoyingly loud for me, new ones seem better.
They only have 36mm and 45mm but nothing in between. 45mm probably isn't too wide! Shoot us an email at info@worldwidecyclery.com and we'd be happy to help you find the best fit.
I'm not 100% sure on the correct terminology, is the spoke base circle the same, between the torch and hydra hubs. Could you replace a tourch and hydra with out changing spokes.
Its Not only the ring drive which is almost indestructible. They claim it will withstand 800 ft/lbs of torque. CK make the best bearings you can buy in a hub. No other hub maker produces their own bearings. No other hub is using bearings of CKs quality. Not even close. They Even make the balls!! Very few bearing manufacturers make bearings of this quality. Not even ceramics are this good. You dont throw away CK Bearings. Theyre designed to be overhauled and designed to last and last. Unlike everything else! Now we know why they cost what they do! My bearings are original, 25 years old. Well over 100000 miles on these hubs. I lost track. Used in all the nasty conditions off road. I was a machinist for 30 years, Now a bike mechanic. I recognize quality. Ive manufactured bearings for the aerospace industry. The 1st time I saw CK hubs disassembled I bought them on the spot. To my way of thinking, bearings are a more important aspect than anything else. Our wheels roll on them. More important than colors, noise and even points of engagement. Bearings are Kind of important! As is the drive mechanism. But its often overlooked for the stuff thats visible or audible!! I plan to give my hubs to my grandkids!
I stopped buying ChrisKing (Hubs) when he/they stopped building for 'Fads' (is what he called FatBikes back in 2014)... I would have had 197/12 & 150/15 ChrisKing (Hubs) since 2014, yet for the last SIX Years I have had to experiment with Surly Borealis Bontrager HOPE DT/Swiss... *Industry9* & *ONYX* are next...
@@industrynine3931 save the Torch!! Going to miss the torch hub. Not sure if I'm sold on the hydra yet. My torch hubs still have lots of miles left in them so I've got no worries
how do they hold up under trials use? those tiny pawls do not fill me with confidence. Also see you moved to leaf springs like Hope and away from your coil springs. Looks like Hope had it right all along. You're still in their shadow in terms of pure engineering. You make your hubs from bar stock and hope uses forged blanks, far far superior from hope as the forgings are stronger and lighter. Bar stock is much cheaper than getting a custom forged blank made up and the associated tooling costs, yet the cost of your hubs are crazy. You should really be priced the same or less than hopes.You use a2 tool steel inserts and your pawls are made in the exact same way as hope do. Hope also seem to have a far more advanced and up to date production facility compared to industry 9 , based on the available factory tour videos publicly available.
As more and more companies make pawls smaller and the amount of engagement becomes smaller in size, its a recipe for disaster. I dont like the amount of movement. And pawl system will always have resistance. Its just a bad design, period. I just wish my new xtr silent hubs came in anodized, otherwise they are unbeatable. Zero resistance
@@lakishaweaks9784 Check out our 101 hubs and wheelsets for a much cheaper alternative. Hubs are available now and wheelsets will be available within the next two weeks
