Bought a 2019 Toyota Landcruiser 2.8 D-4D Invincible It was a nightmare from about 7K miles .... multiple problems going into limb mode when towing 2 ton trailer uphill resulted in numerous visit to dealers 3 exhaust filters 2 engines @ 28K miles I got rid of it when 2 nd replacement engine lost power from continuous limb mode when towing up hill. In my experience there's good & bad in every modern vehicle, just hope you stay lucky with your Grenadier. My most reliable towing vehicle in last 10 years PHEV Mitsubishi, it's never went wrong in 100k miles 🤠
I can tell you one thing for sure, I have had a number of Mitsubishi Tridents and none have ever missed a beat! I agree all modern cars seem to have a few gremlins, they are so complicated these days. I am hoping for good things from the Grenadier.Thanks for watching and commenting, John
from my experience regarding the remaining range indication: very consevative. the % fuel remaining seems to be very accurate. did run it down to 6%, remaining range "red" for quite a while. got then ~88l in when refuelling.
88l whoa! that's getting close..assuming the tank does only hold 90l. Some doubt about that. % may also indicate a little more than 90l. On my trip I had to be a bit careful as fuel stops were a bit scarce but I was carrying 80l in Jerry's. Thanks for your interest and comment, John
looks to me like you can get a little more in there. i was lucky...had plenty of gas stations around so i tried to find the limits....but chickened out at the end 🤣
Enjoyed the first trip report.. I agree with your observations on fuel gauge and I’m always looking to refuel on remaining range or just under 50% on the gauge. Looking forward to the off road reports..
Great use of the car, now for the diff locks and corrugations. I got mine 2 days ago. Needed your video in finding the auxiliary wires, and will unashamedly copy your multi outlet arrangement. More sense than using the centre box outlets. I’ll also install spotties using bar clamps.
Glad to be of some help, be interested in where you put your spotties. I think I will be adding a little extra lighting soon, may consider a roof bar but the option to use the provided wiring doesn't work for me.John
Great content mate 👍 Interesting to see how an unknown vehicle of this calibre is running in the real world! Very interested to follow your journey! 19L/100 isn't too bad . . . It's not fantastic but it sure isn't horrible. Interesting the gauge isn't accurate . . . That's annoying! Happy travels 👍
Greetings from the US. Joined a bit ago to follow you along. Thanks for sharing. I’m very curious to see how it pans out for you. My current ride (apx. 20yrs) is a 100LandCruiser. If I get the Grenadier, it will join my LC (I won’t be getting rid of it). I don’t care for the Prado that’s coming to the US (it’s being marketed as THE LandCruiser, not as a Prado. Ok, I enjoyed the video. All the best!
Hi, the US....my second favourite country (after Aus). I have visited many times particularly in my cattle farming days. Love to know where you reside...like here it's a big place. Love that you have a 100LC.. hang on to that for sure. I reckon the Grenadier will be a good fit for you after that. Thanks for watching I appreciate you commenting. John
Great vid thanks John. I see you have a stonestomper. Appears my tow hitch tongue supplied by Ineos isn't long enough to fit the ss bracket. Did you replace your tongue or was yours long enough to drill another hole to extend it out?
Thanks for sharing the journey, had my Grenadier since April and not disappointed however like any new vehicle there are always things that could be better. Dread to think what my petrol version would be like with your load on but sadly in UK I won't have the joys of the terrain you have to roam around. Look forward to the rest of your journey.
Hi David, glad you are enjoying it... maybe we will do a swap one day..ha ha! I am hearing the petrol is pretty spritely to drive, not that the diesel isn't. I really appreciate you interest and taking the time to comment, Cheers John
Thank you for the video. It appears to be truly honest feedback, in contrast to the "very well-established" but biased RU-vid channels. I had test drives of both the Grenadier and the new LC79 V8. After some consideration and a deeper look into the specifications and objective reality, I've decided to go with the Land Cruiser. I think old school is old school. If you can make a square squarer and a round rounder for an extra $30k, maybe choose the Ineos. As for me, for real off-road and expedition style, the LC 70 series is the clear winner.
Thanks for those comments, I am sure you will enjoy the Toyota, no doubt a well proven vehicle. It is always good to hear people making decisions based on good research and consideration of their needs. Glad my video was useful in assisting you with your decision. Hopefully I will provide more interesting watching for you in the future ...not everything is about the Grenadier. Cheers John
Right on both accounts! Donny Grey a great colour but shows that red dust alright...love that. Its a great joy to out in the bush...Thanks for your comment, John
Great video John. 5.28 t all up The van just over 2 t So The vehicle is over 3 t As they say, it’s best that you are not towing a load that weighs more than your vehicle. A lot more strain etc on a vehicle, if u r… The Grenadier is a solid & heavy vehicle In this situation, of towing just over 2 t The Grenadier should manage that with no problem, as you described… Being at GVM / GCM Is a totally different situation… To being at 5.28 t all up. Your vehicle is new Engine needs to loosen up etc Hopefully once it’s done 10,000 km Fuel consumption will improve Obviously it’s not an aerodynamic vehicle, and stuff on the roof etc So It’s never going to be as economical as a Corolla But We all know that Hopefully the electrical warnings settle down and go away R u carrying an OBD port scan tool ? This can be very helpful to give u more specific info on the cause of a particular warning light… U then know if it’s really serious or not An Engine Check Light on its own, or a message on the Dashboard, does not give enough info… If warning lights come on If u pull over Turn vehicle fully off for 1 minute Then vehicle back on This process can often be like a Reset And warning lights go away However Keep a note of all this & Get your Service Dealer To thoroughly scan the vehicle etc Hopefully these warnings are not real problems A full scan / reset at Dealer And dealer doing Software Upgrade Will hopefully cure these things. 🙏🏻 This first road trip is a shakedown for the vehicle Report any issues, such as an inaccurate Fuel Gauge etc to your Service Dealer. Hopefully they can sort out any kinks with the vehicle, straight away Wishing u many happy and safe miles of traveling in the Grenadier Cheers. 👍
Thanks Stephen, I really appreciate you taking the time and providing that very useful information. I didn't carry and OBD scan tool but will take up your suggestion. And the fuel consumption did improv over the trip. Certainly will be passing on any issues to the Ineos agent. Cheers, John
Hi John I had a quick chat with you guys at condamine 26.09.23 I was on the BMW motorcycle thanks for the sticker it's on my pannier safe travels to you all
I really appreciated you taking the time to stop and have a chat...I think you were about the only others on that road! I remember your BM as we mentioned the BMW engine in the Grenadier and I have a 2 series coupe here at home. Thanks again and hopefully we will cross paths again, John
Hi Mark, Yes I am pretty careful with the fires (30 years in the fire brigade) as you say very dry. The fuel consumption did come down a bit as we went on. Thanks for commenting, John
I only tow a relatively light camper van, probably under 2 tonne but I don't know it's behind me when I do. So from my POV it tows really well. Thanks for watching the vid, John
Thx John, looking forward to more videos on the Grenadier and your experience. Almost bought one but opted for a 76 instead. There's no question it's a less refined vehicle than the Grenadier but suits me. Nice see someone using one offroad already!
Great idea, High Country.. I lived for a number of years in Dixons Creek, so I know the Toolangi and surrounding area really well. Some great tracks up there! Like your channel , count me as a subscriber. John
@@cannyoutdoors thx mate, Toolangi still on my list to get to, based in Albury so spend a lot of time in around Dargo, Wonnangatta and across to Mt Buller. Only occasionally get to the more southern areas.
Thanks for that tip, let's call it electrical hygiene!!! I will pay more attention to checking and cleaning the connections especially with all that dust and water. Thanks for your interest, John
Great video John. I did a 6000km round trip (Melbourne to Uluru via Oodnadatta track) - mixed tarmac and dirt. Fully laden Grenadier but no trailer. Experienced all issues you have (both positives and negatives), probably had more engine alert lights than you did, some of which disabled the cruise control for periods which was annoying. Strangely they seem to disappear around 5000 km (others have commented similarly). Fuel gauge issues were the same and I agree with all the comments that remaining range is the best indicator. Over the trip I averaged 11.9l/100 km, which is a couple of litres per 100km less than I burned in my 3l diesel Patrol GU. As expected cranking the Grenadier up to 130km in the NT saw economy fall to 14.1l/100km. The engine is sweet and has loads of power when overtaking and personally I find the cabin the most comfortable of any vehicle have driven. I love the seats, the footwell isn’t an issue for me and the visibility from the driving position is terrific. A few other cons you didn’t mention. Storage in the doors and central console is very limited ( vs say my old Patrol), the (near vertical) windscreen is very prone to chips (I had to replace mine after getting hit by several rocks on the Oonadatta - not cheap $2700!!!) - was very cautious of other vehicles approaching me after that!! and because of the excellent double seals on the doors and the need to slam them hard to close them you can get a lot of (red) dust in the cabin when in the outback.
Sounds Like a great trip. I have also done the Melbourne Oodnadatta track run ( not in the Grenny). You also make some great points and I will be mentioning a few of the little annoyances in future videos. Aaaahh the windscreen! I does seem so vulnerable. I was lucky although I did try and get out of the way when passing other vehicles. I have one free one up my sleeve with my insurance. Don't you just love those who don't even slow down when passing on narrow tracks!! Your economy sounds good and mine did improve over the journey. I agree on the doors and dust but I noticed the car is generally well dust proofed... Just need to wait for the dust to settle a bit before opening the door after you stop...which I forgot to do on a number of occasion! I , like you, am really enjoying this car. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it, John
The Insurance is interesting, I went with Allianz because of the ability to choose your own repaired. ( far from being the cheapest) One windscreen but no cost limitation. I guess your replacement was a OEM most others are non genuine, but I guess they haven't started manufacturing replacement for the IG yet.
no fuel miser, that's abt 235 dollars diesel for 400km so drive all day see some gums, find a shingly camp, that is Au fer ya, give me Canada, Europe where the scenery is varying and interesting, yeh na yeh Maate
Ineos. The car maker owned by uk billionire Jim Ratcliffe, who supports Brexit and who swore this car would be built in England. It’s built in a former mec-benz factory by French workers… in France! It’s now Portuguese, German, French and who inows what else. Losses of £250M declared and a total write off of around £650M expected. If JLR cannot produce the Defender, Ineos cannot produce the Grenadier.
Fuel consumption is diabolical also it’s not a plus saying you have done 500K without a problem, I have done 150,000 K in my Mitsubishi L200 without a problem or any warning lights to be fair, glad I cancelled mine and went for the V6 Ranger platinum at a fraction of the cost and tax advantages
I have had a number of Mitsubishis in my time, early Triton, Challenger, and the current model Trident. Al great trouble free cars.I would recommend them to anybody...and well priced. Before this vehicle I had a Ranger Wildtrak, also a great car (5cyl 3.2). Fuel consumption when loaded was up there with the Grenadier and I had numerous minor problems with electronics, still I really enjoyed that car and it never actually let me down. I very seriously considered the new Everest Platinum. Like the new Ranger looks to be a fantastic vehicle and I am sure you will enjoy your Ranger. Thanks for your comment, John
Your steering wheel is too high...it's a great way to get tired while driving real fast. Try having you wrists lower than you shoulders. If the Ineos allows this, does it still give you plenty of room to exit and enter the vehicle with your legs? If not then it's designed poorly. So I think I disagree with your driving position assessment there. From my point of view here in TV land it seems those A pillars are too large reducing visibility. 5.28 tonnes, too heavy, they should be trying to make the car lighter for sand work.
Thank you for that suggestion , I think you are right on the mark. I did notice particularly my left hand suffering a little after long periods of driving. I will lower it today (yes it is adjustable). The pillars are big but I didn't find it too bad but it is hard to see much out the back, that's for sure.Cheers, John
@@cannyoutdoors if you want any validation of what I'm saying, look at the way people drive when you're sitting in the passenger seat, once they've been in the car for probably half an hour or more, have a look at the way they get comfortable. Their hands dropped down and they hold the steering wheel with their hands near their knees near their legs, this is because our hands were made to be by our sides and the blood and veins system all works with our hands lower. Now claerly, you do need your hands up higher if you want to steer quickly, and with the most amount of turn for the least amount of energy, so you'll bring your hands up to do that. Have a look at my drivers when you're sitting at the lights next to you. Their hands will be much higher than their shoulders and the top of the steering wheel higher again. This just crazy. You don't want to drive like that, lower the steering wheel, make yourself comfortable. I've read heaps of books on four-wheel driving and done advanced driving courses and read all the books and as an archaeologist/geologist I've done heaps of driving all over Australia. You look at the car racing drivers, their steering wheels aren't that high and they keep their hands low at the three position. It's all about what you can do over a long drive to keep yourself less tired and refreshed.
@@cannyoutdoors just for your information I've been following this guy for a long time. He's a well-known well seasoned four-wheel-drive, and you might be interested in his opinion. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xxM5I_OmnmQ.html
Had a $400 000 Range Rover Autobiography nothing but problems. Now have a $200 000 Lexus lx I have done the almost identical 5000 klm and not one problem . I see you have had a few Gremlins already ! I hope it is not a sign of things to come .
Lexus is a great car and with a few more development years under its belt. Hoping (and expecting) these gremlins will be sorted. Thanks for your interest and commenting, John
And still we don’t see how well a Grenadier actually carries weight- and performs. Put something like 750kg in the actual vehicle itself. That’s a real world test that for some strange reason has never been done. As ASPW has so eloquently put it- nowhere… NOWHERE… in the Grenadier marketing parade… do we actually see the Grenadier carrying a full load. That’s what I want to see and hear about.
Yes good point, I estimate my load about 550kg in the car (with towball) plus 80kg for Trialmaster spec (re R. Pepper) plus bull bar and winch probably getting up there. Thanks for your comment.
Good to see it runs smoothly. Fuel consumption appears high especially for hwy driving. Perhaps that fuel gauge may self calibrate but it's certainly something that needs sorting. How do you find the stock suspension is coping with the trailer? Looking forward to the next vid. Thanks for sharing
Hi Michael, yes fuel pretty high but neither the Grenny, the stuff strapped on the roof or my trailer could be considered aerodynamic !!! However it did improve. the suspension was fine, no probs with the trailer and soaked up the corrugation and bull dust pits really well. Thanks for your interest, John
Thank you, the rear view camera is from Saferty Daves. I tossed up between it and one of the wireless version like Furrion or a new one from RV security. In the end Safety Dave has a great reputation(and was cheaper by a fair bit) and running the cabling was a pretty straightforward job. It's been excellent. Thanks for your comment ,John
Yes I am sure they will fix them. It seems common with just about all new car models. A friend has just bought (3 months ago) a top of the line new Range Rover... its been back in the dealers yard with issues more time than it has been with him....Thanks for your interest. John
Yes I reckon it's better than the old defender, but you can't ignore its Defender genesis. Certainly a more suitable vehicle for getting off the beaten track than the new Defender in my opinion and I am not a big fan of all the electronics that come with the new cars (even my wife's Subaru drive me nuts at times). Although I do still secretly admire the new Defender. Thanks for you comment, John
I agree re the intrusive seat adjuster. It seems so unnecessary especially considering the already limited space in the driver’s footwell. I’m trying to think of a solution as it makes for unnecessary discomfort
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Great Vid. Not sure i could sit with my knee at right angles like that. Id need to straighten it out a bit. Bit of a bummer as its one thing you cant change.
Yes as I said prefer it not be there. Sitting at right angles( a bit like in a chair) seems to work for me particularly with cruise control on. I occasionally needed to just stretch out my left leg under the brake pedal..... not ideal I know. Overall however I found the driving position not uncomfortable and the seats great. I didn't get out of the car at stops groaning... that a good sign! Thanks for your comment, John
I work in the auction industry been 37 years. The greatest disappointment in european and british cars is the electrics. Lots of dramas. Incertainly hope you wont experience more than you have eg fuel guage and sensors but its a let down across the board
Yes I hope so, I think these thing will be sorted..it seems they got all the best and proven components to build the car but this bit is new and takes a bit of sorting out. Thanks for your comment, John
Right on, that's the plan for a vid at the end of the trip with a summary of the good and the bad including an inspection and service by the agent. Im keeping a list!!! Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it, John
I guess it's not exactly an aerodynamic masterpiece and dragging a load goes some way to excusing it. Also did improve as the engine got a few more kilometres on it. Thanks for your comment, John
That's interesting, really good economy. Proves maybe bigger (engine) is not necessarily better. Lot in common in the overloading and 4x4 world with Australia and South Africa. I appreciate you watching and taking the time too comment.John
@@cannyoutdoors the crew at SLRV has been helping me out with a magic mushroom station wagon with all the trimmings! Can’t wait! Thanks for all your updates, been really helpful. 🤙
@@Robert-cu9bm It does work that way. Name one vehicle with the frontal area and weight of the Grenadier, running AT tyres and towing all up weight 5.8T. You can't.
That's really good. The consumption did improve as you will see. There are so many variables terrain and particularly speed. Thanks for your interest, John
What's the service network like for these? When you travel around Australia,does ineos allow mechanics to access their repair manuals and specifications/parts etc
Really good question! Ineos are providing a roadside service (through Alliance in Australia) This is supposedly available anywhere but fortunately I haven't needed to test it. My agent made sure I had the 1800 number to call if needed but also said to contact them if I had any trouble. In regard to the manuals....gee I would love to have access to them!!! Thanks for your interest, John
@cannyoutdoors it would be something I would be sussing out before going on any huge trip for peace of mind,I never heard of alliance before maybe that's an east coast thing. Atleast if you know where to access parts and repair manuals you can use that information when you need a repair or parts in the middle of nowhere
Great vid - and great outcome. As I said great van but vehicle is something I coins not buy with confidence- a bit like owning that iconic vintage and taking on a long drive you fantasise about but know deep down it may not end how you want it to.
The fuel consumption is well under 15mpg Imperial which is poor by modern standards for towing 2.5 tons on the flat at a near constant 60mph. For a diesel. My old Land Cruiser 100 with its 4.2 200hp engine and four speed automatic would better that by about 3 to 4mpg. With this consumption and the distance between fuel stations the practical range comes down to 250 miles or less, with a theoretical maximum of just less than 300 miles. It needs a bigger fuel tank. However, that is only one small aspect of running such a vehicle combination and some of the others are surely very much advanced, such as the responsiveness of the eight speed ZF.
Agreed , however they did improve a bit and the first few hundred kilometres were on some pretty hilly terrain. Speed also made a big difference I was probably travelling around 68 MPH dropping down to 60 made a difference. Fuel tank size is definitely a negative. I carried 4 jerry cans and had to use 2 (about 10.5 gallons) to get between fuel stops. the engine and gearbox combination fell great. Thanks for your interest and commenting, John
@cannyoutdoors It is obvious that retrofit long range tanks will emerge to solve the tank capacity issue. Looking forward to the next chapter. Hoping Grenadier endures, so your tales will become legendary as the first real-world expedition report !
@@philhealey4443 There’s very little room for a bigger tank underneath and no room for an extra tank. The spare wheel is already externally located, so a tank cannot take its place underneath.
There’s NO way your Disco would get 10 litres / 100 kms Whilst towing approx 2.1 t Johns Grenadier, has the BMW 3 litre straight six diesel motor This is an excellent motor. John’s vehicle is brand new Engine yet to loosen up I’d expect fuel consumption to get better But The Grenadier is not aerodynamic, & he has stuff up on the roof In this video GCM is 5.28 t Vehicle is just over 3 t Towing just over 2 t
Great vehicle the D3. Wow 10L! gee my ford ranger was doing about19 with the same load. I pulled a load up from Melbourne a couple of years ago on current model Nissan Pathfinder and got 23.(yep it was a pretty heavy load about 2.5t and the pathfinders aren't exactly a good tow vehicle). Hang on to that Disco. Cheers John
@@cannyoutdoors No worries mate... You know how we say that in England, if you break down overlanding, you call an Uber and a recovery... In Aussie, you die....
Guess I'll be the bunny that gives them a go.Yet you are not necessarily unwise to wait and see...this would apply to most new vehicles. Thanks for your interest, keep watching you might change your mind....or not. Cheers John
3,100 miles is a great durability test. I am in the US and looking forward to my Grenadier delivery next year. You and other global market buyers are de-bugging the Grenadier for American reservation holders. Thank you!
Glad to be of service !!! Great to help our friends in the US.. of which I have many. Visited many times. I am sure you will enjoy it when it arrives. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.John
