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INEOS have something no other team has: 3D Jib Trimmer 

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New for this Cup cycle is self tacking jibs. A piece of hardware which has been around for years in sailing. But we've never seen anything like what INEOS has installed before. What is it? How does it work? What are the advantages?
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@wayneheaney6271
@wayneheaney6271 Год назад
Anyone else starting to get cup fever?😂 Bro love ur content been following you since the last cup 🤙🏽
@spartan6992
@spartan6992 Год назад
I have cup fever bad! Can't wait for it to start. 😁
@francoisfrisch6082
@francoisfrisch6082 Год назад
Agreed the endless series of sailor interviews on the official channel are dull. This really gets you interested in what the teams are doing.
@macscott5290
@macscott5290 Год назад
Love the “if they’re really shit at tacking” comment 😂 could do with this myself some days 👍 For me the ability to vary the sheet angle from one connection point on the sail looks like the primary driver of all this. Marginal gains in certain conditions but increased weight, drag and complexity? Be interesting to see where this goes.
@robinangus448
@robinangus448 Год назад
More INEOS team impressions please! Butty box line nearly killed me. 🤣
@Supasarge
@Supasarge Год назад
Best interactive informer-gram yet! Thanks for investing the time to put that illustration together for us.
@3drocket
@3drocket Год назад
Your Cup videos are always really interesting. Thanks for making them.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Thanks Matthew!
@MrGritteeth
@MrGritteeth 3 месяца назад
You are good for all the latest on these now complicated racing sail boats. The only one to watch.
@grantsutherland6798
@grantsutherland6798 Год назад
It looks like they are getting a whole lot more functionality! Well documented. Hydraulics def is the way forward, as is getting things under deck. Being able to alter the leach twist on the fly and sheet to windward also has many benefits too. I don't think it's overly complex once it is refined. The clews of both sails is def an area that has been in much need of getting the correct 3D position for a long time
@tonyb83
@tonyb83 3 месяца назад
Ref at 8.05 the 'cris crossing' of the ropes to stop the car 'wiggling around' and jamming is called a 'parallel motion' arrangement. Parallel motion arrangements were/are used on engineering and architects drawing boards in the days before computer aided design, when drawing boards were usec.
@williamgraymuir6678
@williamgraymuir6678 3 месяца назад
Thank you so much for making it all so interesting - I've no idea how you find the time to research it all and make the films, but only wish you had time to do more!
@dougsmith5690
@dougsmith5690 Год назад
Thanks for keeping us informed on the kit these boats are running. The technology development is so amazing.
@gargoreg
@gargoreg Год назад
I can't help thinking this is only a development platform. It's primary purpose is data gathering. Therefore some of the system complexities are for getting to extreme geometries. Maybe to see, what are the envelopes, limitations etc of the computer modelling, as well as if such complexities are worthwhile carrying onto the final boat. Windage and baulk are not a consideration at this point in the development. I love that we are given access to these tests and that you are then filtering them for us. You are my primary source of the AC hardware developments. Keep up the good work.....
@richardnorthover8995
@richardnorthover8995 Год назад
Mozzy, as always, good research and review of the tech arms race that is the cup. Keep it up, much appreciated.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Thanks Richard!
@andrewoconnor2720
@andrewoconnor2720 Год назад
Love ya work Mozzy! As a non sailor, cup fan who's a bloody engineer I'm loving this stuff!
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Great to hear!
@garylewis7729
@garylewis7729 Месяц назад
The beauty of the America’s cup is the slower boat can still win races . Whichever team catches the strongest wind at the right time in the right place will have the best chance . They are all so close technically
@pierocostantini2864
@pierocostantini2864 Год назад
Amazing job, Tom. Super entertaining.
@freeaccess5905
@freeaccess5905 Год назад
Great analysis and video. Your videos are a must see for all us AC fans.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Thanks for the endorsement!
@mikeh996
@mikeh996 3 месяца назад
You look so happy with your present 🎁 🎉😁
@racheljones6529
@racheljones6529 Год назад
Awesome work , always look forward to your posts. NZ viewer.
@1rudderbum
@1rudderbum 3 месяца назад
Great info, keep up the good work brother !
@SteelNerve
@SteelNerve Год назад
As always, fantastic content and observations, with a little humor lightening the mood😀. Being able to cross the jib helps push the nose where ever you want whenever you want. The traditional self-tacker is totally passive and has no influence like this. I remember on the catamaran in light conditions we would delay the jib tack to help push the nose around to the new tack (and no I didn't have a self-tacker on my Taipan 4.9). But I think this system is over-complicated to achieve something that you could do with a line from each side attached to the car that could pull it into the wind if you needed to.
@spartan6992
@spartan6992 Год назад
So technical now. I have had to go back to school on sailing. With these boats you don't really know until they try. Looking forward to your next video.
@alanshearing7515
@alanshearing7515 Год назад
Great video . Thanks. All the teams will look at this and probably make something similar to test . Muscle power costs over advantage, pretty sure won’t be much system looks pretty compact and should be pretty efficient. Look forward to more innovative stuff on the channel .
@declan8649
@declan8649 3 месяца назад
Terrific video Mozzy. Looking for jib track solutions for my Hobie. Going to check out options from Allen. Your analysis make the build up to the cup so much more interesting.
@garychester2247
@garychester2247 Год назад
Yet another insightful vlog and topped with your entertaining acting skills😂. Looking forward to see what model you make for the main sheet from the bits in the box👏
@cello.s
@cello.s Год назад
Very interesting video and a lot more possibilities to make the most out of the jib. However I first thought, that that way it isn't a self tacking jib. But with a 5-3 way control valve for the hydraulic you can connect the two chamberd together. That way its self tacking again as the traveller can move pressing the oil from one chamber through the control valve to the second chamber. Not as frictionless as the NZ system with sigle rope but selftacking nevertheless. And only if you need to actively control the traveller in certain situations you can use the hydraulic system to push the traveller in or out. Seems very reasonable to me if they see an advantage to control it. Of course changing the sheeting angle is very usefull in this boats where the shape of the sail in take of must be completly different than on high speed runs. As always! Love your video content, explanations and stuff! Thank you a lot!
@chrisedwards2539
@chrisedwards2539 Год назад
Thank you mozzy sails for the insights into cutting edge sailing technology.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
It's a pleasure!
@richlatvala8143
@richlatvala8143 Год назад
Great commentary! Very insightful and intelligent. Love it! I wish the commentary would figure out that sailors are watching Americas Cup and Sail GP and not people off the street. This is the best part of the cup…. The lead up and design choices being made.
@BastiaaNED590
@BastiaaNED590 Год назад
So nerdy, love it!!!😊
@alexbusto3082
@alexbusto3082 Год назад
Just knowing there is a new video makes my day
@MarkGovier
@MarkGovier Год назад
Looks neat to me and as you say, when tested and placed under the foredeck or at least under an aerodynamic cover... of course the others will be looking the the potential advantages this might bring.
@carbonarne675
@carbonarne675 Год назад
Yes thanks! It's weeeeekend I love it! Thanks!
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness Год назад
I do think that some sort of (active) bi axial control of the jib is going to be seen on at least a couple boats by cup time. This particular system seems to me to be the kind of prototype that's intended to maximise the range of adjustability to find out what the window of adjustment in practice need to be, and then they can go on to packaging optimisation once they've established that. It's very interesting about the call it, desmodromic, or servo, actuation on this setup though. I expect its main function is going to be coordination of sail movements. With a simply self-tacking setup you have sort of a 'dumb' jib, but a 'smart' main. Nailing maximum power through a whole maneuver means you want maximum control of sail shape right across the centreline, and you want to be feeding the main the least turbulent air you can in concert. I remember reading that self tacking would be allowed this time, but it struck me as odd since to my eye it looked like they were self tacking last time too.
@Gottenhimfella
@Gottenhimfella Год назад
I had a similar thought. There's little or no incentive to implement a fully simplified solution at this early stage; better to put something on the boat which can provide the maximum of active 3D clew control in real time. They would use that to evaluate, not just the limits of the window, but the degree of advantage conferred, and the motion control parameters (how fast, how much force etc). It would pay them to optimise the "packaging" (and any necessary structural mods, such as a trench for aero) as late in the buildup as possible to keep the competition from copying the optimised version. If anything, an unappetising early implementation could reduce the chances of other teams following suit. I think the third hydraulic hose can be for cranking in the sheet as Mozzy speculates: it could be a single acting, spring return ram within the moving car housing, so that only a single hose was required. Rationale: there is never a situation where you need to "push" on a jib sheet in a self tacking installation. Possibly the sheet ram could have an oval piston and cylinder to minimise the depth for aero reasons. Could use three or four springs side by side to return the piston.
@JonasWallinder
@JonasWallinder Год назад
Splendid as always. I do hope we get more of the voice acting as well, maybe a full voice over commentary on the races?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Haha! Not sure I can stretch to that!
@grantsutherland6798
@grantsutherland6798 Год назад
If you want to hear funny commentating look no further than Radio Hauraki (NZ) ... cracks me up ACC Alternative Commentary Collective
@Bob_Morrow
@Bob_Morrow Год назад
Clever innovation! Looking forward to Beta 2.0 as they refine the concept. Who doesn't want to drive their competitor head to wind and then bear away quickly!
@jackmm8
@jackmm8 Год назад
Great video as always! The skit made me laugh too
@SpininStyle
@SpininStyle Год назад
Thanks, I learn so much from your videos! And I’m not a sailor, but fascinated by it all. (And I’m not a savage! Darn it all)
@andreasb.6248
@andreasb.6248 Год назад
Great explanation of what this box maybe for and great comments on it as well! I personally fear that a complex system like this will have a significant risk of failing at the worst moment......but then again, it might only be meant for finding out how far the extension of sheeting ranges for the jib may be useful. I don't think the possibility to back the jib for turning the boat is a dominant factor; if that happens, it would probably be easier to avoid the mistakes having been made before it becomes a necessity.....
@jonathanseal5155
@jonathanseal5155 3 месяца назад
Another cogent analysis from our mate Mozzy!! As always, brilliant insight, and now piss-taking Pommie humour as well👍👍👏👏 bloody good stuff, sport👍👍🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
@gregeconomeier1476
@gregeconomeier1476 Год назад
Wow. I love all the tech and imagination going into the boats these days. Makes me want to be a young man again! I'm living here off Pensacola Bay. This makes me want to put a drone up in the air and see what the boys at American Magic are up to. Better not, they're my home team. Big grins.
@331Trevor
@331Trevor Год назад
Mozzy, One possible advantage of the hydraulic movement of the car is that when they drop it all below deck the will be able to attach a fairing system to it so that the only slot in the deck will be directly above the car. The hydraulic movement system would be able to easily overcome the friction inherent in the movement of the fairings even in light air.
@thorntontarr2894
@thorntontarr2894 Год назад
Perhaps by exploring all the possibilities with this arrangement they can estimate the magnitude of the loss in efficiency with the standard system that you describe for Team NZ and American Magic. With this data they can decide if it should not be used as the gain is too marginal for the system/hardware complications. I like the idea of gaining knowledge even if there is no plan to really use it. Said another way, it is shows appreciable gain, then a design challenge can begin to make a passive system (no hydraulics) that yields most of the gains. All this presumes that gains exist. Love the "quite British" description of cucumber sandwiches!
@Gottenhimfella
@Gottenhimfella Год назад
Sound reasoning, I reckon.
@charlottescott7150
@charlottescott7150 Год назад
Perfect! Especially the "we're not savages"!!
@11calman
@11calman 3 месяца назад
Mozzy Sails,, Welcome to NZ mate
@tristankiddie1710
@tristankiddie1710 Год назад
Hey Mozzie. Another great video! I believe the other team will all have a system for tuning leech tension on the jib. I believe that one of the aspects and reasons for using the hydraulics in this fashion is the ability to record the data more accurately and it does allow them a greater range to be able to create data from. I also think you are correct about the ability to luff and then bare away quicker. That could be a huge tool in the kit if the other boats do not have the ability.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness Год назад
If you understand the the stretch characteristics of the lines you can read time, distance, and power requirements probably easier than hydro.
@tristankiddie1710
@tristankiddie1710 Год назад
In the past, I would have agreed with that. But I think the accuracies and nuance of the situation here could be better served with hydraulics. It's going to use hydraulics anyway for the actuators. Better control than a winch drum.
@juliantaylor3419
@juliantaylor3419 Год назад
great content
@dfontyn
@dfontyn 11 месяцев назад
Here we see? Over in Cagliari, it was a very different story for Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli who were enjoying a full range of conditions on flat water and looking sensational throughout in their LEQ12. When the breeze got up, Francesco Bruni, Jimmy Spithill and Ruggero Tita showed unbelievable accuracy in their steering whilst the stalwart cohort of Flight Controllers Umberto Molineris, Vittorio Bissaro and Andrea Tesei showed just why they are rated so highly in America’s Cup circles with desperately low flight upwind, flat and controlled power downwind and an ultimately stable platform throughout the near four-hour session. Trim of the mainsail was just beautiful with rapid alterations on the traveller and mainsheet whilst there’s still a suspicion of some linkage at times upwind between the main sail and jib.
@BryanBowser
@BryanBowser Год назад
I wonder if the ability to change leach tension gives them more options during tacks, trying to get on the foils or even depowering in a puff. They could also twist (or untwist) the jib at the same time as the main.
@James_Hallam
@James_Hallam Год назад
Great analysis as always. Put that box below decks with two sliding plates for the sheet exit - 3d sheeting and aero++ . Would a bridle each side of the box and dead-ending sheets on a block to the bridle be simpler than the crossover arrangement (and still work)?
@joepbronneberg3057
@joepbronneberg3057 Год назад
Woohoo excellent video and explanation of these systems. The straight rail system is excellent. Could this be made for the mainsheet systems from last video ie the Italian team? I suppose that if one uses small hydraulic rams designed for length output in stead of sheer force the system could be quit efficient. So the efficiency design of all hydraulic rams could be key. Just as the sequential use of them. And then designing them below deck. Really looking forward to the new design-AC75s. I am also looking forward to the unboxing of the ALLEN box and your set up...😃
@peteharper3614
@peteharper3614 Год назад
Love the "cucumber sandwiches" comment. I had the same thought, hove-to for lunch break. I can see one added benefit of the black box. They can dynamically change the jib lead position fore and aft. Obviously they are looking at this with the multiple tell-tails on the clew and leach. I suspect they are looking to improve off-wind performance or to power up the jib during takeoff then de-power for speed mode. I remember last cup the boats reaching around trying to get back up on the foils.
@spartan6992
@spartan6992 Год назад
Makes sense wanting to take off without having to bare away as much.
@simplerefinedliving9285
@simplerefinedliving9285 Год назад
How has this guy "Only" got 22.5k subs??? Excellent breakdown there. Once again Ineos going down the ultra tech route. Simple old ETNZ are just going to do it better me thinks.
@ELSDN4319
@ELSDN4319 3 месяца назад
I think the dual jib sheets on the self tacking jib track is a brilliant but simple way to accomplish the same thing. If they feel the need to pull the track to weather (for light tacking or for getting out of irons) a simple solution is two independent traveler control lines, one for each tack. It’s a little more than other teams currently use, but far less complicated than the Ineos contraption. I see too many potential failure modes in that.
@alexanderkutschera149
@alexanderkutschera149 Год назад
Hey Mozzy, From the lands of the Savages. I would just like to say " If you eat decent bread you don't need to cut off the crust. You also can't win the regatta if you expect high tea out while running sea trials and practicing." Just want to say keep up the good work. What little I know about sailing and AC75 has come mostly from watching your videos. It's great to see the street cred you get from the AC teams. Clearly your opinions and observations are followed by people who are experts. It would be great to see you out there doing live coverage and opinion at the next America's Cup
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Thanks Alexander!
@TheZitherish
@TheZitherish 3 месяца назад
To be below deck, would require an area of the deck that can slide for and aft, and side to side. Like a 2d sliding hatch lid, with an eye in the centre.
@carbonarne675
@carbonarne675 Год назад
That's amazing for matchracing
@hjackgbr78
@hjackgbr78 Год назад
If this is system is put in a trench you could cover it with a round cover that rolls fore and aft with a long slit in it. The cover rolling would be passive just moved by the force of the sheet exiting through it. Better aero and the scuppers needed for the trench could be smaller.
@peterwor
@peterwor Год назад
Another awesome video! I kind of like what they're doing, a little surprised the tracks aren't a bit curved though.
@maurice6184
@maurice6184 Год назад
probably because you need parallel tracks ;)
@flyinggorilla
@flyinggorilla Год назад
maybe the curvature gets created through software by moving the hydraulics in the box relative to moving the traveller in parallel.
@peterwor
@peterwor Год назад
@@flyinggorilla, possibly seens like a lot of unnecessary stiff, a curved track would be my approach.
@Gottenhimfella
@Gottenhimfella Год назад
@@peterwor Given that the straight tracks are an indispensable element of their parallel motion linkage, (straight tracks mean the forrard and aft control lines move the exact same amount as the car traverses port to stbd) your suggestion would not actually allow them to "do what they're doing". Flying gorilla's suggestion can indeed be implemented *entirely* in software, given that they already need to sense the fore and aft position of the sheet lead, so it's hardly "unnecessary stuff".
@lawrencefalk8714
@lawrencefalk8714 Год назад
It seems like ETNZ and Prada had a mainsheet advantage over Ineos and American Magic at the last Cup, so it is good that Ineos is experimenting with new trim designs (even if it reminds me of a Roomba). I look forward to seeing how it all evolves.
@leuvenisaplace
@leuvenisaplace Год назад
Roomba description contains a (nice?) subtle bit of burn, perhaps a sponsorship opportunity (cough, cough Dyson). America's Cup success is dependent on innovation as much as the skill of the sailing teams, so yes trying stuff before the regatta is vital, even if to disprove the validity of changes implemented.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness Год назад
@@leuvenisaplace Dyson's pockets are pretty deep, and they're british, would be a good tieup.
@tframe
@tframe Год назад
all about the small margins i suppose and some real innovative thinking, which is what this is all about
@trathje424
@trathje424 Год назад
Thanks for the fantastic explanations. I like the American way. It is simple but flexible. The Ineos way seems to be very complex and failures may be likely… we will see what future brings. Cheers Tim
@charliewalters536
@charliewalters536 Год назад
Mozzy - surely this is so they can change the "barber hauler" sheeting angle while sailing.... and also it is more precise than the rope systems. I don't know if it will make it onto the actual boat - but useful to help them measure how tweaky the jib/slot is. Suspect this is overkill for the race boat, but pretty useful for evaluation work..... but who knows....maybe this will prove to be the 1 string answer to tuning on the AC 75.!
@roadkingtouringnz9220
@roadkingtouringnz9220 3 месяца назад
I love , the taking the piss out of the British humour, nice little addition mozzy.
@evanoc12345678
@evanoc12345678 Год назад
Leech trim is soo important!!
@notthatkenny
@notthatkenny Год назад
I think that that "box?" and track may just get an upgrade to reduce the size for less windage and/or imbed in the deck provided the rules would allow that mod to the hull. In the early days of multihull racing we used to pause the jib in a tack by letting it go to windward for a couple of seconds to help the boat turn through quicker but not necessary in anything else I have sailed. Pausing at 5:30 in the video I like the that setup. It has a lot less going on and really nothing to go wrong except for a failure which is very unlikely.
@Chris.Davies
@Chris.Davies 3 месяца назад
1:55 - All the white lines are merely multiple block'n'tackles, to increase leverage, and reduce the torque needed to move it laterally. I'm not a sailor - but that seems fairly obvious to me. Every extra block adds yet more leverage - yeah?
@Rocket_Ninja-im7nq
@Rocket_Ninja-im7nq Год назад
Do you think they could have the potential to use the wind and tacking properties of the jib to pump hydraulics back into the system to help supply more pressure to other systems during a tack such as foil arms being able to move faster.
@76jusips
@76jusips Год назад
I guess to coordinate a pump of the jib at the same time as the main, without losing shape could really help get up and foiling?
@Argosh
@Argosh Год назад
That piston could also act as a dampener instead of a power input, so it could still be largely wind operated.
@alleweg000
@alleweg000 Год назад
@Mozzy Sails: Maybe they even realised a hydraulic "free flow" funtionality by valve arangements under deck. So they don't necessarily need to actuate the jib by force every tack, but can instead let the wind do the job and just stop it in time for the right angle. - And/Or with some additional flow resistances do prevent violent hits at the end stop while "full self tacking". It could be way smoother.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
yes, someone else point this out too. I checked the rules and this is allowed so long as both chamber then have pressure release valves
@SeQuBu
@SeQuBu 3 месяца назад
Besto f the whole video "Giles are you in charge of the butty box today@ Priceless 😂😂😂
@MajaLisaIII
@MajaLisaIII Год назад
I would guess this ”magic box” also gives them the ability to more effectively pump up the boat into foiling mode in marginal conditions (if it can move to windward fast enough). Just my 2cents…
@fredtatch1572
@fredtatch1572 Год назад
I have a feeling it’s going to be an advantage. Without the hydronic system the friction would likely make it a negative in lighter air. Nice Dick Tracy detective work!!!
@andrebauer576
@andrebauer576 Год назад
On the AC boats in 2001 we had a 3D jib sheet system as well. I have not spoken to the sailors afterwards as the illbruck (GER68) wasn't finished but sold to NZ for training and comparison purposes. But it's not a new wish to have more flexibility in the jib sheeting. Just not sure how much it helps when the sheet stays in the same position on the sail. But it seemed Ineos doesn't have several points to pick on the jib? Couldn't really see it.
@DD-xg4fe
@DD-xg4fe Год назад
Super interesting. I’m wondering… could this somehow help them to fly sooner?
@bertilbusch
@bertilbusch Год назад
Tacking can be done by opening a simple bypass valve between the two chambers, so they don't have to use power to get distance, as there is no force
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Yes, good point. Rules allow recovery of oil, with the only additional stipulation that each chamber then have a pressure release valve.
@andrewdavies7816
@andrewdavies7816 Год назад
I've no real concept of how useful varying sheeting angles is in a cup boat as the apparentl wind is so high. In scorpions the easily variable jib sheeting angles make close reaches (too tight for spinnakers) much faster but the pointing angles are way less
@Coolcmsc
@Coolcmsc 3 месяца назад
I think this will prove fantastic. What we’ll see: 1. They’ll be quick. Then, 2., they’ll get into a muddle with wind in a key race and, by means of backing the foresail with this new trolly job, it will turn disaster into a win by pulling the hill round and up onto the wings on a tricky day and we’ll all be cheering them and saying what a genius idea. Finally, in the final, in the deciding last race, they’ll be ahead looking good for the win and this absurdly complex under engineered trolly will break and they’ll stall off-plane and Emirates will storm past for the win. All, including us, will have egg on our faces. Later, as the engineers de-brief what went wrong, an email will be found in which a junior member of the team flags up a concern the night before final race day saying that it needed replacing before the final; and the attached reply will show that a ‘boss’ had had a ‘jolly good look at it [the trolly]’ and decided not to replace it just in case the fettling itself caused a problem….
@theubsportschannel8864
@theubsportschannel8864 Год назад
I am wondering if the criss crossing lines are also set up to try to keep the tension on the foot (length from tack to clew) and the angle of pull from the clew to the sheet block consistent through the different sheeting angles.
@douglasringholt2606
@douglasringholt2606 Год назад
It pulls the Jib car up to Wynward ! Spare me. Aussie Doug.
@olorin9255
@olorin9255 Год назад
What percentage of drag from the jib can be reduced by trimming it completely flat? Could this allow them to err on the large side for take-off/if the wind speed is in a crossover range and trim the jib extremely flat when at speed? Are there gains to be had by trimming the jib flat and shifting the centre of effort backwards to the main?
@ezrabell742
@ezrabell742 Год назад
If you have ever been wing foiling in marginal conditions you have to pump like anything to get up. This could be set up to work with the main traveler to pump the boat onto the foils in light winds?
@jamescampbell9187
@jamescampbell9187 Год назад
Obviously auto vacuum cleaner! Love the channel. 👍
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Thanks James!
@kohli12
@kohli12 Год назад
Theres more than just backing the jib... think about the flapping during tacks.. they might be able to reduce that (drag).
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
That's a good point. There's some good footage of them doing this in the recon highlights. I should jave mentioned that!
@speedintraffic
@speedintraffic Год назад
Because the tracks are straight, they have a greater need to move the sheeting angle forwards/backwards to compensate for no curvature in the track. The track has to be straight otherwise the crossover coupling wouldn't work because the tension would vary depending on car position. Interesting..
@ikerstges
@ikerstges Год назад
how much efficiency can be gained from the jib when trimming on the fly? do they expect big fluctuations in wind conditions on the course which make the gain worth the effort?
@timball885
@timball885 Год назад
It looks like something out of Robot wars, but I guess they have to rule out if it’s worth it as well. More great info, thanks.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
It does look very robotic when it moves!
@ScottSummerill
@ScottSummerill Год назад
I would think more (sheeting control)is better. It does belong below deck and I guess once they have confidence in the system that’s where it’ll go. But now everyone can see what they’re doing so maybe it should have been hidden from the start.
@BRMCaptChaos
@BRMCaptChaos Год назад
Great detail. Not sure if it's a problem that needs solving with this level of effort. But the racing effects are potentially helpful i.e high modes. Looking back through the last AC, the ability to go even higher could be v helpful on the drag to first tack.
@team3383
@team3383 Год назад
Nice but seems a lot like overkill. As if he's wishing he'd get contacted. He should actually come up with NEW and UNKNOWN solutions to issues that MAY occur if thats what he wants.
@EurekaYoungGuns
@EurekaYoungGuns Год назад
Not sure how they could hide this car under the deck. The sheet would need a massive hole in the deck to move freely. I guess they could make waterproof case around all of it, but seems like a lot of extra weight, on top of the extra weight already added by this system. Any ideas?
@gregwilkins1128
@gregwilkins1128 Год назад
Are you sure they are not using this to harvest oil pressure from the jib during a tack rather than using oil pressure? Would that be allowed by the rules?
@CraigOverend
@CraigOverend Год назад
This made me want a trimaran that can move the hull towards the windward float by sliding it along the crossbeams. 🤔Carramaran?
@drint909
@drint909 Год назад
I think it allows them to quickly change the sheet tension , outboard angle and sheeting angle as part of the tack. So they can work on being faster into and out of the tacks by changing sheet tension, outboard angle and sheeting angle where as the other boats only control 2 for part of the tack.
@chriscochrane6319
@chriscochrane6319 Год назад
I think they should look at how Julian Bethwaite altered the jib leads on his 89er by varying tack height
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Ues, in previous cups ETNZ did this a lot. The only downside is that it creates a gap between tack and deck, so end plating isn't as good. But I think that covers a lot of what is needed in terms of sheeting angle changes
@chriscochrane6319
@chriscochrane6319 Год назад
@@MozzySails that is true with one design sails where area is measured . In Am Cup one can have a crumple foot with Cunningham to achieve end plating even when eased . But you are still correct about ability to sheet to windward and the possible tactical advantages well done
@DYE239
@DYE239 Год назад
With these boats "struggling" downwind could this Jib system allow them to Force an unnatural sail shape downwind to pick up a small % of more wind?
@MadridBarcelonaRota
@MadridBarcelonaRota Год назад
In the last AC it appeared to me that the less jib the faster the boat. If my observation holds water, how does jib size, jib drag, when up and foiling get improved by the subtleties of 3D sheeting
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Upwind tha is certainly the case. Downwind and getting up on to the foil more is better. The 3D sheeting allows more extreme sail shapes like what can be achieved with the main. Without a spinnaker getting good power out of the jib to get foiling and downwind is important
@AdrianThompson-wn8eu
@AdrianThompson-wn8eu Год назад
Curious about the 3 hydraulic lines. Either three single acting rams, or one double acting (powered extension and powered return) and one single acting ram. The sheet could be on a single acting ram, using the sheet load to extend. If they used a hydraulic motor here it would need two hydraulic lines. As the three lines go into the ugly black box, I'm guessing double acting ram for jib sheet fore and aft position, and single acting for sheet land. A sledge to crack a nut?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails Год назад
Yes, I think that's the same conclusion I came to. It's a lot of hardware to create the desired affect
@olsonartstudio3026
@olsonartstudio3026 3 месяца назад
The flow rate on those hydraulics would need to be extreme..compared to letting the wind move your mainsheet on tack..
@stevehartley7504
@stevehartley7504 Год назад
Self tacking. Double track block and tackle, to lessen torque whilst in use
@bakters
@bakters Год назад
If they have enough energy on board, it's brilliant. If...
@sly6627
@sly6627 Год назад
I think this has to be an improvement but maybe not in it's current form.
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