Inside Story - Sultanate of Sulu : Pawn or legacy ? 

I like how Roque is basically lecturing them about the Sabah claim problems 😂

Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia. Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate give North Borneo to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to BNBC. These agreements exist and keep in the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned Sabah into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally incorporate into Malaysia in 1963. Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish its territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement 1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing. Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.

As Sabahans, I prefer Malaysia over the Philippines ... We do not want to be Filipinos .. Please understand

sabah already make decision to join malaysia since cobbold commission

I wonder now what the guy Lee Jones from London would say about this topic now that the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu won their case.

Mabuhay Sultanate of Sulu.

March 2022 Malaysia is asked now to pay $14.9 B to the Sultanate of Sulu by the Arbitral Court.

when you are so poor now and you remembered a land that you once owned but sold it just because it was just a deep jungles and mountains back then, seeing that land developed and fertile now under the new owner hurt your feelings.. well, tough luck

Sabah, Philippines 🇵🇭

Greed is the fruit of evil acts but with love and compassion we can achieve harmony in the regions.

BEAUTIFUL SABAH OF THE PHILIPPINES 🇵🇭.

I am an Indonesian. I support The UN decisions to submit Sabah to the Phillipines.

Simple logic must be applied: if Malaysia still paying its rent up to now, does that mean he owns what he was renting? There are reports prior to the standoff, that the Malaysian ambassador to the Philippines went to see the Sultan and negotiate to extend the lease for another 100 years with 360,000 ringgit annually. If your gov't really confident that own sabah, why would they do such thing?

for example, if you are a rightful owner of an Apartment building or condominium.. would you be paying rent to yourself for staying there even though you own the building? ..that is why Malaysia is paying rent to the sultanate of Sulu for the LEASE of Sabah, because its not theirs..

The most important was the Malaysia's respect of contract a basic teaching of Quran

To that malaysian and english man.. You will now know and remember on CY 2022 that that the ruling in an French International court decided for Malaysia to pay almost 15 billion US dollar to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu who are Filipinos..

Sabah belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu but because of the British which in previous history it divides ancient territory and nation like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, also here in Malaysia, the British give the territory to Malaysia but it really belongs to Islamic peoplw of southern Philippines.

The truth is the former bruneian sultanate/king never said to give the northern land of borneo to sultanate of sulu but clearly said in the agreement that the land is loan or "pajak" in malay language as writte.... Then its conclude that the claim of the Northern borneo land as theirs by sultanate of sulu is non-valid...... The real reason why sulu sultanate raises that claim is because the Northern borneo land is more prosperous than his island land that he is in dire need of money as his expenditure use he is so broke that even his medical expenditure is sponsored by The Philippines Government

They’re the real owners.

pres. duterte was right to take harry roque as his palace spokesman.. a very fast talker...i pray and hope thru the will of our god almighty .. that his disputes will be settled before the end term of pres. rodrigo duterte by 2022.......and the sultanate of sulu can enjoy the fruits of their land sabah....

wow ang galing sir harry Roque .... good job sir i salute you sir your the best 🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏

he is not self proclaim,kiram is the last sultan recognize by the government of the philippines.

The fact that Malaysia recognized the agreement by paying lease to the Sultan of Sulu, it's enough proof that they still have the proprietary rights of the territory. If Malaysia is not willing to return the land to its rightful owner they should at least compensate the family of Sultan. Otherwise, you can call it land grabbing or occupation like what Israel did to the Palestinian land or the Chinese occupying Tibet.

This British author the real story behind the Sultanate of Sulu. Obviously, he as well as the British is in cahoot with Malaysia.

Sabah, Philippines 🇵🇭. Mabuhay ang Sultanato ng Sulu

It's not about the Philippines dropping the claim of sabah but a sultan heirs rights to owned posses the rightfully theirs.

For all you know Sabah belongs to Phil and malaysian knew it only they took hold in it as a source of financial economies they needed. British company rented Sabah not sold

guys! This is 8 years ago, Are we supposed to fight against malaysia for sabah is like pakistani wants to fight against india for Kashmir? Plz, Philippines and Malaysia should peace agreement now, because we're not barbaric people who are against each other, let sabah go

What is this brothers and brothers killing each other let's stop the killing let's start being friend I'm sorry about what happen Malaysia please forgive us🇵🇭❤️🇲🇾

i like the accent of filipino when they speak english so verry nice to hear😍💘

Tnx harry roque..im waching u about malaysia & ph. Sultenate of sulu.

Do not forget Sabahan voted to join Malaysia, what the people want is what matter the most, no Sabahan want to be ruled by a long gone kingdom. The Sultanate no longer exist and they themselves do not know who is the current Sultan of Sulu. None of them bother to protect Sabahan during Japanese invasion. None come even to visit after WWII. They are no photo or documents showing Sulu Sultanate ever govern Sabah. No representative of the Sultan ever appointed to Sabahan. No record of tax ever been paid to the Sultanate. During the reign of the Sultan and current modern time none of them able to take care the welfare of Sabahan, now their princess have ordinary job and go to work by public bus. Malaysia govern Sabah together with Sabahan for Sabahan since 1963 and bring prosperity and security.

I salute you Pak Roque!!!! You are telling the truth, only but the truth.

70 years of malaysia's oppression of the Pilipino in Sabah has come to an end. Time to return Sabah to the Sulu sultanate and under the Philippine soveriegnty.

The host is very well informed about the topic/issue and she knows when and how to neutralize the conversation in panel... good job in facilitating the discussion. All of them had shared a greater amount of information. And it is up to the general public to conclude their stand on SABAH issue.

as long as sabah disputes isnt settled the torn will always be there between philippines and malaysia relations

Wow harry roque is great speaker salute to you sir👍

The tausog pilipino people with more than one hundred years in possession with land ln Sabah they occupied have become the trustee with historical right and probable cause to aquire the land in Sabah as their ancestral domain

This is the reason why so many rebels in southern Mindanao so exist, the 13B Dollars should be paid to the heirs of Sultanate of Sulu instead of giving to the rebels.

The people living in Sabah have two options to choose from: 1. They can relocate to Sarawak or return to peninsular Malaysia and retain their Malaysian citizenship, 2. They can remain in Sabah and be affiliated with the Sultanate of Sulu and choose Philippine citizenship.

Yes, the British gov't is to be blamed.

The British has a hand on this. When the British left the proper way to do was to gave back North Borneo (Sabah) to its rightful owner the Sultanate of Sulu. What right had the British to gave it to their poodle, Malaya! The land was only leased to the British (BNBC) by the Sultanate of Sulu.

At the start British are responsible since Malaysia did not exist during Overbeck rented Sabah and turnover to Malaysia when it became a nation without consultation to the Sultanate of Sulo

Yes..!!! Great Britain is to be blamed for this mess it left when it gave independence to Malaysia. And GB ' MUST' help on this problem.

The guy from London has no clue about the issue. While the guy from Kuala Lumpur is just spitting lies from KL government, and these two men has no clue the conflict between Malaysia and Sulu over Sabah. If you all notice, Atty Harry Roque stated an important details of the issue. The obvious one is the lease agreement since the North Borneo British Company of 1800s, to Malaysia until 2013, and intentionally canceled the lease agreement for political reasons, thus ending the contract illegally.

I am a Filipino and this Sabah claim has been going on since the 60 ‘ s , my question is their any documents exist that it was truly indeed a gift from the Sultan of Brunei ( the Bolkiah Family) and also being a Spanish or Spains province for 300 years there should also be a documents or maps that it was part of the Philippines archipelago and why does Malaysia pays the sultanate of sulu family every year if they ( Malaysia ) does not recognized the lease which was actually instigated by the British , and also why is the Sultan of Brunei ( Bolkiah Family) stayed TIMID on this Issue at least they have records about the Padiak between the sultanate of Sulu and the Sultanate of Brunei. The British Should Be One to be Blamed for all of these Chaos, like what they did in the Middle East and Africa it’s all about Oil , gas and the natural resources in which the British Government is so Hungry to possess and control.

oh u got it all wrong.the 'sultan' claims that sabah is his by his ancestral rights and not the philipines.sabah was never under the philipines.sulu came first before philipine's independence so that is where you are wrong. if the sulu is playing the history games, you should know that sabah is composed of multiracial background and the real owner of the land in sabah is the indigenous race of sabah such as the kadazan dusun, bajau,etc so he still need to listen to these indigenous ppl

Sulu people has been in Sabah for a long time, even before they became muslim. They are martime people from Philippines.

Sabah needs to go back to the owner- Sultanate of Sulu- under the Philippine Government, if Malaysia stops their rent payment of the property that they rented since 2013. So to avoid disputes, let the United Nations put the issue under consideration to solve the problem in due time. International Law of ownership must be followed.

the very fact that The government of MAlaysia is well aware that they are paying lease that is an absolute proof indeed that sabah is not part of malaysia

It’s about time, please give and pay back the Sultanate of Sulu, we’ve been waiting for this moment, please give it back and pay the Sultanate of Sulu, We love our neighboring countries as our President says Philippines is friends of everyone and enemy to none, but give justice to the Sultunate of Sulu.

dapat naman talaga ibalik nila yan kasi para sa mga filipino yan, must follow the land lease agreement

We want to stay with Malaysia

Malaysia should put a stop to the sulu claims. If not, the non existing sulu sultanete will keep on bringing this matter like its some kind of hobby

Dapat lang nasuportahan natin ang mga kababayan natin sultan of sulo sapagkat sila man ay pilipino suport for sabah claim over all.

correct...i think most of the malaysians dont know about this..especialy the lease topic...

Philippines sabah 🇵🇭😘😘😘😘😘 2022

The Tagalog people ignored the Sultanate.

this is where these people who said this is not a territorial claim are wrong. this is a territorial claim because the sultanate is a Filipino.

Sabah is, and always will be, Philippines 🇵🇭 Thank you Sultanate of Sulu for fighting our own rights & territory over Sabah. Sabah, dont worry, the Philippine govt will help you 🇵🇭💖 Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!!! 🇵🇭🥰😍😎💖

Philippines may be a weak in terms of military power but Filipinos are smart *AND THEY SPEAK ENGLISH FLUENTLY*

Just because Sabah is formed in the Malaysian Federal Establishment doesn't mean "It is legal" as the rightful owner of this land are the Descendants of the Sultan of Sulu.

Moving forward : 1)Phillipines and Malaysia should respond in a peaceful way. Philippines and Malaysia will not be like a war torn Ukraine or Syria...We don't want war in this pandemic...we don't want fatherless homes... Politicians please CHOOSE PEACE ❤️🇵🇭🙏🏻🇲🇾❤️ 2) Sabah people will need to chose if they want to be part of Philippines or not. We need to consider people's lives dramatically changed because of this arbitration award to Sultanate of Sulu. Also, greatly take it to consideration the ''Heirs'' who waited more than a century to claim what is rigthfully theirs. 3. The undocumented Filipinos IN Sabah will now have their birth certificates and be recognized as citizens of the Philippines. 4. Malaysians should have some dignity to give the Sabah peacefully, they have been enjoying the fat of the land and just paying '' lease'' not ''cession'' money. 5. Malaysia needs to obey the law and Pay the 14.92 Billion dollars or it will increase all the more if keep on delaying. Justice🎉

Malaysia never claim Sabah,because Sabah always be part of Malaysia. If Philipine confident enough they should be the one to brought up the issue. Please refer to Sipadan and Ligitan case

lee jones giving unbrella for malaysian .

If Malyasia will not accept the ruling, it will affect all the contract they are going going to enter in the future...it would mean they dont know how to honor an agreement and obligation that comes with it..

sabah belongs to sultanate of sulu..because Malaysia still pay lease to sulu sultan..

Hey James, the funding on arms with the rebel groups backfired on tourism in North Borneo. If you did not grab the Sulu Sultanate land of North Borneo in 1963 you should have not got into this. In the next 20 years you should see the land ceded to the Sultanate.

Our question is now how come you are suppressing the Filipino Muslim in Sabah ? You should respect them their human right, offer the privileges as part of the co heirs of the Sultunate of Sulu.

8 generations... but the leadership is under the hands of the Sultanate of Jolo...

Time for us to change. Once again. For a better world.

To my tausug brothers and sisters don't worry be happy our almighty has everything..."Innalillahi wa inaa ilaihi rajiun"..

Malaysia is paying rent to the sultanate of Sulu, that is proof that we or the sultanate of Sulu owned part of Sabah which the sultanate of Brunei gave them.

Any Filipino and Sulu supporters would point to the 1878 agreement and claim that Sabah was lease to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). But there are numerous evidence to point that Sulu did not previously own Sabah as the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs would suggest, the claim that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu as a gift can be disputed and debunked by the following evidence: - 1877 Agreement Prior to the 1878 Agreement which was signed between the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) and the Sultanate of Sulu, there was an agreement that was signed in 1877 between the Sultanate of Brunei and the British North Borneo Company. Within this agreement, the word “grant” has been used numerous times. It’s also stated within the agreement that the entirety of North Borneo (Sabah) will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) for 15,000 Mexican gold coins . With these statements, it’s clear that the Sulu Sultanate did not own North Borneo (Sabah) and that the 1878 agreement is redundant. I would also like to point out that within the 1878 agreement, the word “pajak” was meant to be stated a “grant and cede”, and within the receipts of the so-called “rent payments” are listed as cession payment. Cession means to give something away. With that this proves that the 1878 Agreement wasn’t a lease agreement but rather a cession agreement. But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu and that the Sultanate of Sulu did indeed own Sabah and that the 1878 agreement was a lease agreement. Yet the Sultanate of Sulu has signed many agreements which relinquishes their rights over Sabah. These are the following: - 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement This agreement highlights the Sultanate of Sulu’s surrender of sovereignty to Spain. This means that anything happens whether internal or external affairs is under Spanish jurisdiction. - Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885 The Madrid Protocol of 1885 was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Germany, and Spain to recognise Spain’s rule over the Sulu Archipelago. There is a particular statement within Article III which states that Spain will relinquish all of their claims on Borneo. This alongside with the 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement as stated previously shows that the Sultanate of Sulu now no longer have any jurisdiction over North Borneo (Sabah). This also means that North Borneo (Sabah) is now under complete British jurisdiction. - 1903 Confirmation of Cession This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) in which it states that the Sultanate of Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo (Sabah) as well as additional islands which is how the payment of 5,000 Mexican gold coins which at this point has switched entirely to the Malayan dollar increased to 5,300 Malayan dollars. - 1915 Carpenter Agreement This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the United States. Within this agreement it states that any power that the Sultan of Sulu has over his land has been given to the Philippines which is under American-rule. -1930 Anglo-US Border Convention This agreement was signed between the United States and the United Kingdom. This agrement also define the border of North Borneo (Sabah) and the Philippines with the agreement being that North Borneo (Sabah) will remain under British jurisdiction and the Philippines being under American jurisdiction. -1963 Malaysia Agreement Finally this agreement was signed between the United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak, and North Borneo (Sabah) to form a new country now known as Malaysia. Now that North Borneo (Sabah) has gained it’s independence from the UK, they opted to join this agreement and with the previous agreements signed, it means that North Borneo (Sabah) now have self-determination. And with the UK approving this agreement under the Malaysia Act of 1963 which has been passed in the British Parliament. This agreement has also been recognised by the United Nations and agreed on by the UN General Assembly and the UN Secretary-General himself. This means that Sabah is now rightful Malaysian territory. With all of these facts in place, it’s clear that Sabah rightfully belongs to Malaysia and neither the Philippines nor Sulu have any legal claims over Sabah.

If Malaysian government had been disowned/ return this Sabah, and allowing the Philippines government to take control this territory there's no such thing to have a dispute with Malaysian government. But Malaysian government seem not willing to pay and let go Sabah, that's why there's always trouble with sultanate of Sulu and their people between Malaysian people and the government of Malaysia.

not just Singapore alone, the Malaysian Sultan can claim southern Thailand and Riau islands too, jeezzz... this is modern era guys..

Very clear that sabah is a part of phillipines Republic period during 16th hundred sabah is ruled by sultan of sulu even the emperor of chine give a respect to the sultan of sulu when he visited china that is history the land of sabah is a gift by sultan of bruine malaysia land grab the land Malaysian is a aquatter

This Sabah is belong to the Philippines 🇵🇭! Why Malaysia 🇲🇾 is is listening 👂 to the Britain 🇬🇧 Gov.? The Britain 🇬🇧 should return the land to the Philippines 🇵🇭 after its Contract or even earlier not to the Malaysia 🇲🇾 Gov.? They are asking so much Trouble 😈! And the Brunai knows about it because Brunai the one hand 🤚 over the Sabah Country to the Philippines 🇵🇭! God , how this 2- Countries are the same with Vietnam 🇻🇳, Singapore 🇸🇬, China 🇨🇳, South Korea 🇰🇷, and Japan 🇯🇵? The Tallano family knows about this bullying neighbor Countries to the Philippines 🇵🇭? Is too bad Philipinas is so rich and all of them are so poor and Tresspassing to the Philippines 🇵🇭 (1,700. )One , Thousands Seven Hundreds Island 🏝! Booooo!

Free Mindanao, Sabah and Palawan

Even though we are Catholics from Luzon, we support our Muslim brothers on getting back Northern Borneo as it rightfully belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu.

sabah is part of our states, we Malaysian love peace, but you came with guns, do not expect mercy from our Malaysian troops, they will protect sabah with their life!

Watching here after hearing the current news about Sabah

Ang pagmayari ng Sultan of Sulu ay perpetual , He is Monark by of inheritance proprietorshiply and sovereignty up to the time a cession treaty was signed between the Sultan and the Philippine Govt. Malaysia is only a Tenant of the Sultan of Sulu . They should vacate Sabah without malice .

Sabah belonged to Sultanate of Sulu (which no longer exists) and not the Philippines who have a province named Sulu which have no longer existing Sultan!!

Like Gibraltar on the land of Spain But the Gibraltar chose to stay with English , not wanting to live with Spain

If Malaysia continue to escalate tension inappropriate against unarmed local civilians in the region, the Philippines must protect our own people

Its CLEAR till 2013 that Malaysia still paying lease to the Sultanate of Sulu

Malaysians donot have any positions inside sabah because its the phil land

SABAH BELONGS TO THE SULTANATE OF SULU.

The Malaysian government enjoyed the fruits of the wealth of Sabah already, this is the time to share to your co Muslim in Southern Mindanao what you are getting now. Return it to the Sultunate of Sulu, You know the problems of them so have a heart with them.

I agree with you about polling the people who were actually born there. It would be hypocritical for me to say otherwise since I think the Falklands belong to the UK because the inhabitants say they are British.

The sultan of sulu is the right full owner of sabah during 16th hundred the sultan of sulu are ruled sabah even the emperor of chine give respect sultan of sulu

My heartfelt condolence to the Sultan Kiram 111's family of Jolo Sulu, Rest in peace my brother Sultan Kiram. Your wish will be granted I hope and pray.

Sabah is our territory🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭

return it to its rightful owner. otherwise Malaysia will lose credibility.

New subscribers from Philippines 🇵🇭🥰 yes my sulo and sabah claims in the Philippines 🥰🇵🇭❤️

THE MALAYSIAN LEASERSHIP SHOULD ABIDE BY THE INTERNATIONAL LAW AGREED AS LEGAL DOCUMENTS SHOWS OTHERWISE TROUBLE BETWEEN THE TWO NATIONS MIGHT BRING OUT TROUBLE!

Just like political rivalry , this situation could somehow be triggered by third party entities to creat more conflicts that can cause more distanilizing acts against the government hindering thee good ententions of the government on the futuristic plan on drilling gasses but possibilities of higher form of conflicts will arise that even hinder these mega projects on extracting gas . In fact many nations had long been extracting gasses where wars occur due to the strategies on global market on changing prices of Thier marketable products . Many lives were taken as taxes to fight as official. Beneficiaries , this happened into a never ending of bloodshed on aggressing claims through graftt and cooruptions

The most important is that Malaysian should pay the sultan of Sulo and the Philippines forever for the occupied ancestral land

Sabah and phillippines is own by the almigthy (god) not by any kings and sultans nor any presidents or prime ministers or any individuals, it is trusted by him for us all and build an empire of love to other nation...i thank god i was born tausug and i love who i am...