Shaq's right about OKC. They have more talent on their roster than any other team AND play great team ball. They might not have veteran playoffs experience, but if they're healthy in April, it might not matter.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 And that's perfectly fine. Would be a great season for them given where they are and what they're still building over there. This is just the start for them. And like the original comment says, OKC are sneaky deep. I'm not sure if people realize how deep they are because their bench players don't have super flashy numbers. Anyone who actually watches them know though. Only thing they lack is experience, which they will gain this year and in the future.
@@LeapingRat %'s is all he has?? His team is winning way more this year with him while Wemby s team is losing more then ever.... Remember when rookie LeBron went to Mo Williams Cavs and turned them around immediately? well this isn't that...
Lol why not 2nd best player on a title contender or best player on a 15 win team . Chet is Roy stats aren’t far off and wembys shooting percentages are garbage
I think Wemby should get it, but a moment of appreciation for how incredible the ROTY race is this year. You could just as easily make a case for Chet. and Jaime Jaquez has been hooping crazy too, I expect him to be a great player in the future
@@tonyl7000 youre purposely not exercising nuance because it doesnt benefit your agenda. nobody should have to elaborate to you about something that you secretly know. figure it out small bro
If we being real too if you put Chet on the Spurs he not coming close to what Wemby is doing on that same bummy Spurs team Wemby is legit having to earn everything and create his own shot a lot of the time Chet is reaping the benefits of having a great team especially playing with a MVP point guard and Wemby is going crazy and averaging more on a minutes restriction too which is even more impressive Chet having a better record is bs if that’s the case Melo should have won it over LeBron this ain’t a team award.
Why are you people so obsessed? You make it sound like Chet is some scrub when lot of veterans have went out and said the way he plays is impressive. Wemby is ahead that’s fine but just because you disagree with others doesn’t mean you need to disrespect so blindly.
@@TheOnlyKontrolbruh half the comments here are “blindly” making “disrespectful” comments about Wemby,it’s either you comment on every single one of them and “lecture” them too…or you can get off your high horse,this is the internet kid!if it hurts your feeling get outta here kid!😂😂
exactly. not only that but wemby is constantly the focus of offense OR defense. so much pressure on him. chet get his stats from opportunistic plays and great teamates around. wemby gotta work hard for everything and manages to get better stats on minutes restrictions. also chet aint a real rookie, 1 yr learning systems, the league , his team, chemistry etc, helps a lot
rn wemby per 36 is something like 25/13/4 with like 4 blocks a game, thats CRAZY numbers for a rookie. Only thing holding him back is the minutes restriction which i think is good cuz 1 They tanking anyway and 2. Help his body get used to the NBA so hes not injury prone.
not the only thing holding him back ; he has no PG. with a good or even decent PG he'd get more assists and way more points with the same minutes restriction.
@@GOATVVV doesn’t wemby have tvhe ultimate green light? If wemby were on that thunder team his numbers would actually decrease. He gets twice as many touches as Chet on the spurs as is
Pop is giving like halftime to wemby , chet plays like 30, 35 minutes, wemby is just amazing putting up his stats with 5,7 less minutes, generational player
@@Nono0618 averaging but you see both, okc and spurs games, wemby starts every quarter and left between 8 and 2 minutes of every quarter, chet plays 6 minutes per quarter and finished everyone of them cause okc fights until the end, cause they're a great team, spurs lost the most and wemby rarely finished unless the spurs are having a clutch game, statiscally a lot of things seem different but watching the spurs and okc games you can clearly see why is wemby doing a better job
@@Nono0618 That's counting every game since October. Wemby has been on a minutes restriction since Dec 23rd. From then til now he's been averaging about 25 minutes a game with somehow MORE production than Chet. Cmon at least do a Google Search smh
@@Levi-lr4vi It’s a SEASONAL award, how does December 23rd play into this equation? You can’t just throw out most of the season cuz its inconvenient to Wemby
Chet is very good and fits right into OKC's system. But Wemby man... he's must see TV every night and has a much higher ceiling. Chet can not do what Wemby can. Wemby has better stats on minute restriction.
It hasn't and I get tired of that impact on the team etc etc. it's always about individual numbers and who is the better rookie. They nail this argument in the head by saying OKC is gonna be way better if they have Wemby instead of Chet
@@raymundturner1140you’re not paying attention u say this after 3 straight Chet stinkers , and wemby averaging like 24 9 3 blocks in 24 minutes a game in like the last 10
When Shai is in the MVP mix, that makes Chet's job easier to score and do his job on offense. Wemby is not blessed with all-NBA, or MVP caliber guard or with a solid roster that can feed him the ball or make scoring easier. I'd take Wemby for Rookie of the Year not only as he is blossoming as the main guy on the team as a rookie, but he's doing everything offensively and defensively, as being top in the blocks and rebounds, and also adept in stealing the ball, which is also among the top in the rookies, and that's with playing nearly half of the game every time he's playing.
The fact that people universally agree that Wemby on OKC instead of chet would make the team just as good, if not BETTER than chet makes the team, tells you all you need to know.
I'm from OKC & I'm a fan of our team but Charles is right. Chet is playing with an MVP front runner with a really good team & chet fits right in. Chet is amazing but what Victor is doing is nothing short of one of one.
They were a play in team before Chet. Wemby puts up decent numbers on the worst team in basketball besides the pistons. A lot of guys would be showing out on that team too
@@t_t8661 yall will just do anything to glaze him and are surprised the guy you ride came into the league worse than Chet lol. He can’t shoot and he’s too small to body bugs naturally. His best shot selection comes from back door cuts and mismatches
@@danielbattle7620you either don’t know ball or just want to be a contrarian. Probably a little both. Still crazy that you try to knock a player for playing to his strengths. 😂 can’t body naturally?? What does that even mean you either body someone or you don’t lmao
@@GrouponDeal it means wemby is too small for the centered in the league to back them down or outmuscle them. He uses his height and quickness instead. Dude will have 24 off 20 shots and 8 FT and y’all glaze
It's easier to put numbers when you're playing with an mvp level point guard compared to a team where you are clearly the best player in your rookie season.
Desipte being almost 2 years younger and playing LESS minutes Wemby is avging more points/rebounds/assits/steals/AND blocks per game lol. Its not even a question....
@user-fw6qt4we1y He's getting easier shots. SGA is the focal point of the defense when teams play OKC while opponents game plan for Wenbayama. Chet gets all that open 3's on the corner and wing when the defense collapses on SGA.
@user-fw6qt4we1y He also played half the season as a wing player before being switched to Center. Since being switched to Center, he's closer to 55% fg and 32% 3pt. While averaging 11 rebounds, and 3.5 blocks playing only 24 minutes per game b/c Pop has decided to keep him on a minutes restriction the last month.
this is just a no brainer. Wemby has been scorching this race for the last 10 games since he said every game would be a statement from now on. Chet is awesome but Wemby is a tier above. The Spurs are only starting to throw some lobs to wemby and in less than 25min hes avering 25pt+. He's already figuring at no one can guard him
@@vlonebully4074Wemby is without question a better defender and rebounder. Chet is a better shooter but a lot of Wemby's inefficiency came from bad shot selection and teammates who couldn't pass him the damn ball. I think if he was on OKC they would be title favourites because their defense would be simply unheard of in the modern era while having one of the best offenses in the league and an MVP caliber player.
I agree with Victor Wembanyama being the rookie of the year at this point. Can call be biased because I am a Spurs fan but I would give the slight edge to Vic because of the way he's been playing since being slotted in at Center. Also I don't agree with Shaw saying the Wolves are heavily dependent on Anthony Edwards. Rudy Gobert, KAT, Naz Reid, Jaden McDaniels, Mike Conley and Kyle Anderson are all Above average players in the league. I would say OKC is heavily dependent on Shai in terms of offensive productions, sure they have Jalen Williams, Giddey and Chet playing good offensively. But I would say Edwards has more productive teammates than Shai.
Plus they have already proved they can win without Ant or when he's less productive. Or perhaps does he not always need to be SO productive, because the team has many good players that can dominate the game alternatively ?
@@Emile97427 Exactly. This is a small sample size but when the Thunder played the two LA teams, they lost and Shai wasn’t scoring at how he has been most the season meanwhile jalen Williams was scoring 25 or more. Small sample size yeah but I predict that’s how okc will run. They win or lose because of Shai but Shai is one of the most consistent players in the league so it’s not much of a problem.
Kenny's argument for Wemby is what I've been thinking of. Switch Chet and Wemby for their teams, and Wemby helps OKC more and has higher numbers because he's around people who can include him much better. Wemby deserves ROTY.
I really feel like wemby should win it, but it's crazy that with the numbers he's putting there's even a debate, goes to show how great Chet is doing too. Two amazing rookies, and several great contenders for third spot. Truly a special rookie class.
IN 2 yrs , we will not be having this conversation. Wemby is far superior than Holmgren. Sideline occasional fans can't see it, but real NBA fans can see the huge difference.
Ahhhh,what the heck,just give them both,it's so much taxing on the brain psychic to focus to dribble and put balls in the buckets,punctuality,meeting expectations of fans before etc etc and it's just their first year❤
Do people realize that the impact on OKC has a name and it is called SGA? His improvement (being on MVP level) is what improves the record. It is not even close who is the ROY.
@user-fw6qt4we1y Wemby dominates Chet in every other stat. Chet is on a team with a Top 5 PG in the NBA, so he obviously will get better looks than Wemby. Teams are double teaming Shai. Wemby is the main threat. If Chet didn't have a better FG% playing with Shai, that would be truly abysmal. Shai draws the most attention. And yes, OKC would be number 1 right now cos Wemby is better than Chet. And Spurs would've lost an extra 2/3 games with Chet instead of Wemby.
The award is given to a prospect or individual that has exceeded the expectations of others in terms of raw talents and above. Its not about the record but its all about how you are to prove that your skills is enough to put in the green light.
Spurs are top 5 in defensive rating when Wemby is on the floor, and 28th in defensive rating when he's off. His defensive impact is INSANE. He should be DPOY and ROTY just based on that.
Either Wemby gets ROTY or it'll end up diminishing the credibility of the award when he goes on to be a legend all-time great. Wemby is only 19 and Chet is 22, and Wemby is still getting better stats in less minutes.
for this case, its all about stats… yes we cant blame chet for having a better team than wemby.. for this case, year on year, criteria changes.. sometimes even these 4 put considerably the team standings when voting for a specific rewards… cant deny nba awards dont have a standard concrete selection.. if siakam still in toronto, he wont be an allstar.. now he in indiana, with a better standings, though still lack fan votes, some panel would vote him.. remember bradley beal, too low wizards in standings but beal is nexk to neck with curry on that year on scoring champion, beal got the nod..
I think I can give it to Wembanyama easily just because he's leading the NBA in blocks despite playing under 30 mpg. He is far and away the best defender in the NBA, and he's a rookie. Chet is great but he needs to overtake Wemby in blocks and possibly points imo.
@@kasperkilos407he is by the far the best defender in the league. He has the best combined block/steal average in the ENTIRE league at 4.2, the next closest player is Anthony Davis at 3.7. But Wemby is doing it on 8 less minutes. The last rookie to lead the league in this way was when Wilt Chamberlain first laced up. Let that sink in..
In retrospect, Shaq won ROY against Mourning almost unanimously although they have similar stats and Charlotte has a better record that Orlando even qualifying for the playoffs.
2:17 It's crazy that Kenny mentioned Gobert and Conley as having playoff experience and would help Ant without mentioning KAT. KAT, get yo chit together, big fella.
As a thunder fan if you asked me 1 or 2 months ago I would have said that Chet was front runner for roty but in the last couple of weeks he's entered a bit of a slump and is playing worse then he did earlier this year. Inversely I feel like Wemby started slow and has slowly been acclimating and getting better as the season goes on so I've got to give it to Wemby and I think that this debate will no longer be a debate in a couple weeks if both those trends continue.
Chet’s streak of good play has been longer than Wemby so Wemby passes because of the last 2-3 weeks? Chet is ROY right now if we are talking RESULTS not TALENT
let me remind you okc was only 10th place last season without chet but now they are 2nd meanwhile in spurs nothing has change they are still the worst team in the west despite of crazy stats padding of their super rookie
@@shanerobinson925Chet has worst stats per game despite playing more minutes… He has good efficiency because SGA is a MVP level PG. wemby has… PG sochan LOL
@@jaysonmartin1542 😂 all these Chet fanboys. How is Chets last 3 games looking? Oh wow they won even with him scoring 9 points in two games? Man if Wemby scored 9 points in 2 games he would be crucified. Nice to not be the main guy and still win even though you put up 9 points in 2 games 😂😂😂. Chet a good dude but ROY is an individual reward and Chet could snooze on offense and they would still win because they have a MVP player in Shai. Who does Wemby got? I'll wait.
Is crazy how OKC was racking up picks and in a rebuilding mode a few years ago now they are one of the top team in the west. They know how draft and develop players.
Yeah, you can't compare. OKC truly started their reboot in 2020, but they had Shai drafted in 2018, who if you redrafted that class, you'd argue could have gone #2 after Luka. Spurs started their reboot in 2021, and no one they have drafted in the last 10 years before Wemby could you argue should have been a top 5 pick in their respective draft. Devin and Keldon are good players in spurts, but they are just that, inconsistent as hell. And the team has zero defensive identity outside of Wemby. Joining a .500 team after sitting on their bench for a year, and joining a historically bad team of young guys ain't the same thing. What Wemby is doing in limited minutes is insane.
I had chet ovwr wemby earlier but wemby is playing like 25 mins a night and still putting up better numbers. Chet gets to shine at what he does because his team is actually good. Wemby has to create for himself most of the time. At this point wemby ia clearly the bettet player. Anyone saying otherwise is jusy trying to be different.
It’s clearly Wemby, he’s blocking from 3 point lines, at 19 injury free, in crunch time he’s stepping up. Sure Chet has an impact in OKC, but Wemby is better overall and that’s just facts.
since yall like stats so much here are some very importants stats that driectly effect winning. chet 54% fg percentage. 1.8 TO a game on 2 more minutes then wemby. 38% on 3 pointers. 12 FGA a game . points 17.4 wemby 46% fg percentage. 3.2 TO a game on 2 less minutes then chet. 29% on threepointer. 16 FGA a game. points 19.8 scoring 2.4 more points and taking 4 more shots is BAD! if chet took as many shots as wemby, with hes average of 54%, he would average 21.7 points game. when you take a look at advanced stats its not so clear now is it?
Second year players that got injured their rookie years shouldnt be in the running for ROTY. Chet was part of the Thunder for a full year before playing this year. Building relationships with his teammates, working out and recovering in an NBA facility, playing with a team this year that is better than the team that drafted him and earned his draft pick last year. Compare that to Wemby showing up for only trainig camp and pre season on a team that was so bad they got the numbner 1 seed last year. Not fair at all. ROTY is Wemby and it aint as close as people think.
Everybody says Chet and Wemby, and I agree they are both amazing but anybody sleeping on Jaime Jaquez junior is sleeping on the wrong fella, he may not be the best of the three this year, but I believe he will probably have the best overall longevity and career., of course Victor and Chet are going to have more broken stats and games, but with their body types I just don't see them being able to stay healthy over a long period of time
It probably will go to Wemby but the fact that the margin is paper thin right across the stat board is pretty amazing. And it’s clear they watch each other’s games. Chet throws himself an alley oop? Wemby can do that too. Wemby can launch from one side of the lane and finish on the other? So can Chet! Right now it’s Giannis and Jo-el and the Joker ruling the association but the Night of the Unicorns is coming!
After everything else, we must also take into account the parameters of age and team. This title is a fundamentally individual reward, before being for the collective! Chet was born May 1, 2002 and Wemby, January 4, 2004, 18 months difference, almost 2 NBA seasons. Then Wemby's charisma is extraordinarily fresh! So, I hope that no one will make the terrible mistake of not choosing Wemby, given the individual and technical sneaker contents.
@@jelloz1235 I talked about charisma among many other more objective criteria. By charisma, I only mean the innovative, somewhat surreal side of Wemby, which is unanimously recognized by the current top 10 in the NBA! your short reflection cannot summarize my point in such a simplistic and rudimentary way! Charisma is just the icing on the cake 🍰; you have to be an artist to understand its importance.
@@jelloz1235 I talked about charisma among many other more objective criteria. By charisma, I only mean the innovative, somewhat surreal side of Wemby, which is unanimously recognized by the current top 10 in the NBA! your short reflection cannot summarize my point in such a simplistic and rudimentary way
I talked about charisma among many other more objective criteria. By charisma, I only mean the innovative, somewhat surreal side of Wemby, which is unanimously recognized by the current top 10 in the NBA! your short reflection cannot summarize my point in such a simplistic and rudimentary way! Charisma is just the icing on the cake 🍰; you have to be an artist to understand its importance.@@jelloz1235
It's a damn popularity contest. OKC market is too small and it screw Chet and SGA out of Post season awards. To include the fan vote was a bad move. Fans are fans...but only the players should decide whom wins the awards.
I watch the Spurs for one reason only. WEMBY! if I'm watching OKC it's because I'm really interested in what SGA will do as he's becoming one of my favorite players rn
