Installing an SSD in the $5 Windows 98 PC!

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@MichaelMJD 3 года назад

Here's the poll I mentioned towards the end of the video: ru-vid.comUgwwqSBEeQ59RfIvseh4AaABCQ

@Alex-cn1xt 3 года назад

Hi.

@coffeechips 3 года назад

@TurboSoftware ok? we already know

@alternatenican 3 года назад

I'm waiting for it to become "Installing life on the 5$ Windows 98 PC"

@j.w.techchannel 3 года назад

@TurboSoftware IKR stands for I Know Right

@xxace_tntxx4289 3 года назад

I think you should have the SSD in the gateway. I would suggest maybe trying to find a way to get around that “bottleneck” so that it does what’s intended. I did notice that it was a little snappy with loading using the SSD. Maybe you should try to play some games on it and do a comparison from the old HDD to what it will do on the SSD. My question is, would XP behave the same way? Or it is all down to the hardware itself?

@komradeklutch6215 3 года назад

"Your virus protection is 7733 days old. You may not be protected against newly discovered viruses" I feel like this was the same pop up that we all got at the beginning of 2020.

@user-jg1yn9lm2g 3 года назад

@oqocraft2661 2 года назад

lol

@wicusconradie 2 года назад

The virus definitions are roughly more than 21 years old 😂😂 new viruses will not be compatible 😂😂

@mysteri0usmindd 2 года назад

14:54

@joshchavers7053 2 года назад

When I do have a pc first thing I do is uninstall vira protection and disable uac completely and remove everything from load on startup

@kantraa 3 года назад

Fun fact: The 5 dollar 98 PC is worth way more than 5 dollars now

@thealien_ali3382 3 года назад

Indeed

@gustukas 3 года назад

Yess

@akhmadwahyudi5063 3 года назад

6 ?

@kantraa 3 года назад

@Alex Routhorn yea

@bluestreak711 3 года назад

I want to know how much it is worth, because I have one that I am pretty sure is still in working condition.

@ulbador 3 года назад

Make sure you enable DMA on the SSD in the device manager. That will speed things up considerably

@RMPANDA964 Год назад

I think those benchmarks are pretty bad even without DMA. I did a new install on my SSD and I ran DM prior to enabling DMA to see what the performance is. I was getting 7-8 MB/s before I even enabled DMA

@arungordon1234 Год назад

A few other things to try which can be set in some BIOS menus are: - 32bit Transfer Mode. - IDE Prefetch Mode - IDE HDD Block Mode - PCI IDE Bus Mastering - PCI Delay Transaction Looks like the the IDE cable is a 40 conductor in this video. An 80 conductor should improve signal quality and allow the interface to use modes above UDMA 2 if supported.

@sebastianebert4295 8 месяцев назад

Yeah we had like 10 MB/s in our early W9x PCs, later 30 MB/s, using HDDs ofc.

@tweakpc 3 года назад

3.3MB/s is an indicator that the drives are only running in Pio Mode 0, which is the maximum transfer rate for this mode. Either bios problem that wrongly addresses these drives, or chipset driver installed by gateway has some bug.

@craigconway4093 2 года назад

Thanks, I was wondering why it was less than 33 MB/s :)

@craigconway4093 2 года назад

PIO Mode 0 = 3.3MB/sec PIO Mode 1 = 5.2MB/sec PIO Mode 2 = 8.3MB/sec PIO Mode 3 = 11.1MB/sec PIO Mode 4 = 16.6MB/sec DMA Single-word Mode 0 = 2.1MB/sec DMA Single-word Mode 1 = 4.2MB/sec DMA Single-word Mode 2 = 8.3MB/sec DMA Multi-word Mode 0 = 4.2MB/sec DMA Multi-word Mode 1 = 13.3MB/sec DMA Multi-word Mode 2 = 16.7MB/sec Ultra DMA Mode 0 = 16.7MB/sec Ultra DMA Mode 1 = 25MB/sec Ultra DMA Mode 2 (aka UDMA/33, ATA-33) = 33.3MB/sec Ultra DMA Mode 3 = 44.4MB/sec Ultra DMA Mode 4 (aka UDMA/66, ATA-66, Ultra ATA/66) 66.7MB/sec with an 80-pin UDMA cable and compatible controller, 33.3MB/sec otherwise Ultra DMA Mode 5 (aka UDMA/100, ATA-100, Ultra ATA/100) 100MB/sec with an 80-pin UDMA cable and compatible controller, 33.3MB/sec otherwise Ultra DMA Mode 6 (aka UDMA/133, ATA-133, Ultra ATA/133, SATA/150) 133MB/sec with an 80-pin UDMA cable and compatible controller, 150MB/sec with a Serial ATA cable and compatible controller, 33.3MB/sec otherwise

@wasd____ 3 года назад

Try benchmarking again using an 80-pin IDE cable, having the SSD plugged in by itself as the only drive on the cable, and making sure in Windows hardware manager, system BIOS, etc., that the fastest possible transfer mode (probably DMA) is set for the IDE controller.

@hugosimoes5119 3 года назад

I was thinking about the same when I see the figures that crystal thing gives. DMA is probably not ticked in proprieties of the sdd of the device manager.

@sebastian19745 3 года назад

@@Quasi84 i810 chipset have only ATA66. Even then will benefit from enabling DMA and maybe using a 80 wires cable. The default mode is PIO4 for IDE in Win9x, DMA was optional to activate. MJD said that it was single drive, the optical drive also, so one drive/channel.

@StevenMussels 3 года назад

^ what WInston said! the BIOS settings alone could be whats bottlenecking, but the cable and sharing with the DVD drive absolutely make it worse

@BrianMartin2007 3 года назад

@@Quasi84 that’s 80-wire, not pin. 80-pin is SCSI ONLY!

@NVMDSTEvil 3 года назад

@@sebastian19745 810-L is ATA33 only. But yes, his board should be 810E which is ATA66.

@BilisNegra 3 года назад

Have you people thought about what a true hero the spinning drive in the 5$ W98 PC is? The amount of software and complete OS installation thrown at it these last years on this channel is certainly no slouch, and it was already an old part to begin with! It deserves a memorial (as well as being used somehow as long as it will endure).

@AmyGrrl78 3 года назад

The low speed could be caused by DMA not being enable. I would check and see if the newest/latest chipset drivers are installed first , especially for the IDE Controller. Then make sure DMA is enabled in the BIOS and Driver. PhilsComputerLab has a video called --> How to enable DMA mode in Windows 95 or 98.

@RedShift5 3 года назад

You really should be getting higher transfer rates. Make sure DMA is enabled in Windows or else you're stuck with PIO transfer rates. And if both motherboard and hard disk support ATA 66 or higher, you need an 80 pin cable to make it work.

@cptcrogge 3 года назад

It seems to be the worst-case PIO 0 or PIO 1 which provides the speed of an 80s computer. I'm confident that his PC can handle UDMA2 (UDMA/33).

@XTRLFX 3 года назад

Exactly my thinking

@cptcrogge 3 года назад

@@InfCloud Calm down, not everyone is as old and geeky as we are :D

@WorkerBeeEurope 3 года назад

@@cptcrogge playing with an windows 98 PC in 2021 is a proof of beeing a geek ;-)

@cptcrogge 3 года назад

@@WorkerBeeEurope True.

@mattelder1971 3 года назад

There are adapters you can buy (or even 3D print) to adapt a 2.5" drive to mount in a 3.5" bay. That would have made this a lot easier.

@woldemunster9244 3 года назад

My computer is full of 3d printed adapters, 2.5" drives in 3.5" slots and 3.5" hdds in 5.25" slots. :D

@Entrepid83 3 года назад

I'd say the impromptu sticky tape method worked wonderfully.

@mattelder1971 3 года назад

@@Entrepid83 Yes, it did, and I've done the same thing myself with SSDs a few times, I was just pointing out that one of the adapters would have made for a better permanent solution, since Michael made a point of stating how the SSD didn't fit correctly.

@eDoc2020 3 года назад

Even without the proper adapter you can still drill a few holes in the sheet metal. Just be sure not to do this when hardware is installed and to vacuum it after. You can probably guess how I know hidden metal particles can cause problems.

@prispalos 3 года назад

Michael you've become my comfort RU-vidr recently, I love your voice and your content, these videos are pure bliss.

@MichaelMJD 3 года назад

Thank you so much! Glad you like the videos : )

@thefray123 3 года назад

This channel is such a refreshing blend of nerdy, creativity, and exploration

@Wasmachineman 3 года назад

You probably need to enable UDMA, there should be a driver for Win98.

@glonch 3 года назад

What he said.... back in the day this made a difference.

@hugosimoes5119 3 года назад

Probably. Intel had chipset drivers for win98 I think ... 6.3 something. There are drivers for NT4 (intel application accelerator) that I used to install and that would enable dma under NT4, that would make the system to load a lot faster. I also think it's just a matter of thinking DMA under the hdd's properties, win9x wouldn't enable it by default.

@pawe3839 3 года назад

Intel810 has ata 100 but you are using 40pin ata33 cable and it limits performance. On ata 100 there should be a diffirence, access time of ssd make a lot, but with such tranfers its totally limited. Edit : btw my 32MB sdcard @SD to IDE has transfers around 25MB/s and windows 98 and XP are much more reponsive and load faster (xp more) if I compare to propably the same 80GB seagate. Windows 10 could not boot on W98 pc cause propably you was using uefi boot, gpt partition table etc :)

@hugosimoes5119 3 года назад

@@pawe3839 Yep. 80 wire cable will give more performance. Even so, the 40 wire cable should allow udma2 and give better performance than the figures shown.

@steeviebops 3 года назад

@@pawe3839 Windows 10 (even 32-bit) won’t boot on anything that doesn’t support the NX/XD bit. So that excludes anything older than (some) Prescott Pentium 4s and Athlon 64s.

@imzary 3 года назад

i have been waiting for this for such a long time Thanks :D

@Ardauxca 3 года назад

What I absolutely enjoy about your videos is whenever there's a time lapse. The music definitely reminds me of Boneworks because of how it's played. As much as I enjoy Murphy's Law bombing your attempts the time lapse is just as amazing.

@jamilangon5798 3 года назад

"7733 days old" - Norton 2000

@alternatenican 3 года назад

Michael MJD with another banger of a video! i love watching these tech videos all the time, keep up with the great work!

@MichaelMJD 3 года назад

Thanks so much!

@mirelmoisa3918 3 года назад

I was thinking when you're going to post this video :)

@TimLathen 3 года назад

You should redo it with a pci to SATA card like a promise S150

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

Pci would be slower I believe. Pci shares bus speed with other cards. Ide is dedicated 133 bus.

@marcellachine5718 3 года назад

That's what I was thinking, however others say it would actually be slower, not sure here.

@stonent 3 года назад

@@LeoInterVir IDE still runs over the PCI bus.

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

@@stonent pci is connected to a bus where it's speed is shared amongst all pci slots. Having a pci sata card will have diminished max speed if any pci slot is populated. Both ide and pci are connected to the Southbridge. Pcie is not pci.

@IvanOoze1990 3 года назад

@@LeoInterVir I think you are repeating facts without actually absorbing the information here. You see how your second comment contradicts your first after stonent reminds you of how you're wrong. if you don't know what you talking about then DON'T

@relutzzzu 3 года назад

There are PCI addon cards with SATA ports that could enable you to use the SSD more efficiently. Either way, should keep the ssd.

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

Pci is connected to a bus where it's speed is shared amongst all pci slots. Having a pci sata card will have diminished max speed if any pci slot is populated. Both ide and pci are connected to the Southbridge. A single drive on a single ide channel will be faster than any pci card version. These cards were meant to add extra storage to a maxed out machine.

@immoloism 3 года назад

Druaga1 would be proud of you!

@Krutonium 3 года назад

Just needed to open with Hey Smokers

@immoloism 3 года назад

@@Krutonium I don't think I'm ready for that level of crossover just yet.

@jackedup447 3 года назад

@@Krutonium Hey Smokers, Michael here.

@BurnedNoodle 3 года назад

he just needs to start cussing and making 1 hour vids.

@bkkami2 3 года назад

Yes, but MJD cuts out the parts where things go wrong and he tries to fix it which is essentilaly the best parts of the video ;/

@windowsxp3790 3 года назад

Yay I’ve been really looking forward to this Video

@LegoWormNoah101 3 года назад

I take it grandpa 98's feeling better

@bokexd3173 3 года назад

I am watching this video at the moment on you

@willibaldoswald 3 года назад

same

@rockifythis 3 года назад

I really miss you bro...

@thealien_ali3382 3 года назад

My boy Microsoft did u dirty, u were the best OS THEY COULD HAVE RE MADE U FOR 2021 but we got windows 10 instead WE LOVE U XP

@CHIPCORNFIELD 3 года назад

Your content lately has been reaally good! Really starting to like this channel!!

@ambien2595 3 года назад

He's like Druaga1 but he (MJD) still uploads consistently :flushed:

@osmnys 3 года назад

This comment reminds me of "r/JonTron". Basically the members and moderators took over the subreddit and changed it to Scott the Woz subreddit.

@CTMKD 3 года назад

:flushed:

@ananttiwari1337 3 года назад

:flushed:

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

Hey smokers...

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

What's flushed you zoomers?

@guywitha_sword 3 года назад

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

@vasya_cat 3 года назад

"This drive currently has an installation of Windows 10 on it" $5 Windows 10 PC

@Bigredtower 3 года назад

Good video! The bottleneck might be in the IDE cable, which looks like a 40-conductor. Have you tried an 80-conductor (still 40 pin) ribbon cable? I found myself using an old 40-conductor where an 80-conductor was supported, and learned the 80-conductor allows the motherboard to use better protocols for communicating to/from disks. It went from something like ATA/66 to ATA/166 protocol, or something along those lines. Throughput increased significantly without changing any disks

@succuvamp_anna 3 года назад

Things to speed up the drive, make sure DMA is enabled in the disk controller in device manager, move to a 80 wire IDE cable or just find a PCI SATA card. Those are your only options really.

@BoomboxStudiosAndDexter 3 года назад

I actually have an adapter so I can put a sata ssd in my windows 98 build too! Keep up the good videos!!

@TheMAZZTer 3 года назад

There are adapters to mount SSDs to so they can get mounted into a larger drive bay. Some SSDs came with them, one of the ones I bought did anyway.

@RabbitsInBlack 3 года назад

It's funny that he knows there is a SATA adapter but doesn't know about the SSD adapter. Guess he doesn't use google?

@MichaelMJD 3 года назад

@Robert Pirlot Uh.. I'm fully aware of 2.5 inch to 3.5 inch adapters. Just because it isn't mentioned in the video doesn't mean I don't know about it. Don't jump to conclusions.

@surfacner5989 2 года назад

Well considering how tight the drives are ATM I think that a 3'5 drive adapter would probably not fit or get way too close to the other drive

@steveskipper6473 3 года назад

There is an enable DMA checkbox option on the device manager for the disk drive. Turn that on if not already and run the test again.

@MonochromeWench 3 года назад

Make sure DMA transfers are enabled in device manager. otherwise you're going to have a bad bad time

@Tall_Order 3 года назад

You should keep a roll of Velcro Tape on hand for moments like this. lol

@mrcyborg9216 3 года назад

I think you copied my comment because I commented That first.

@Tall_Order 3 года назад

@@mrcyborg9216 I didn't look at other comments. I guess we think alike.

@mrcyborg9216 3 года назад

@@Tall_Order iddkk,kk

@mrtesla4341 3 года назад

*applies for a job* ''what are your qualities?" "well yes i watched michael MJD's videos so i know what not to do"

@blainepalmerza 3 года назад

Awesome video, Michael!

@accckiy 3 года назад

OK! That was FUN! Speed is astonishing!

@hrq007 3 года назад

Do you have the UltraDMA patch installed? That could be what's holding back performance both on the HDD and the SSD. Plus, your IDE cable seems to be 40-pin 40-wire, not 40-pin 80-wire. That could also be at play here? Cheers!

@BrianMartin2007 3 года назад

80-wire matters for anything at or above ATA/66 (UDMA/66). But ie found best results using the 80-wire with any STATA to IDE adapter.. so UDMA/33 & slower is fine for 40-wire

@HazardXXX 3 года назад

Bios settings probably. Was expecting to see 66mb/s speed. 15:23 this MB got Intel 810 chipset which is capable of ATA66. or even ATA100 "810E2:added support for Pentium III and Celeron CPUs with 130 nm "Tualatin" core, ATA100 and 4 USB 1.1 ports." "IDE Interface Ultra DMA/100 (dual channel)"

@Rapsodiaast 3 года назад

also need the Rom-Bios patch for 200Gigs limit

@Rapsodiaast 3 года назад

@@BrianMartin2007 And if you think about it, old hard drives used to run up against the rotational speed of the platters and the speed of movement of the heads and the read-write speed of the sector. SSD-flash drives will still have higher speed and read speed will be linear throughout the entire space. and yes - the hard drive will "rest" on the cable transmission speed, but still it will be much higher than the one that the hard drive itself gave

@MartinPaoloni 3 года назад

This project has some Druaga1 vibes! 🔥

@archiveofmyown4808 3 года назад

needs more weed

@blainepalmerza 3 года назад

Wait I didn't know that was possible? I'm watching a video about a topic i didn't know was possible. Awesome video, Michael!

@komradeklutch6215 3 года назад

I forgot all about that little drum animation.... mindblown.

@humanbeing_ 3 года назад

YES MJD! *THIS* is THE VIDEO I've been waiting for, _for actual years_ to be done with this PC. Biggups to you! 👍😬 EDIT: What to do next with the SSD? Well, of course the answer is --> Install *Windows 95* on the SSD! [It _can_ be done, and would make for a great video!]

@DCRofoJR 3 года назад

I think I recognize you from Drauga1's channel. Are you frequently a top commenter on his videos or do I recognize you from his Windows 9x multiboot stream chat? It could very well be both, either way it's great to see a fellow Druaga1 viewer, I hope you have a great day!

@Vladimir_Kv 3 года назад

With a compatible conversion PCB you can use an SSD with any OS. It's not even a question.

@danieleremin1924 3 года назад

And then windows 3.1!

@keastie6671 3 года назад

Could you get hold of a SATA -> PCI adapter? I think PCI should be faster than the PATA interface. Worth a try at least?

@dragons_advocate 3 года назад

Up to a hypothetical 133MB/s (shared across all PCI devices). But I am not aware of any PCI storage devices, so the best you could hope for would be a PCI PATA controller with a higher throughput than the motherboard interface. Not really worth it I would say.

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

PCI is slower than IDE running at 133. If it was pci-e then you would be correct.

@garyr7027 3 года назад

You really think a drive can boot from PCI?... never heard of it.

@federico8086 3 года назад

@@garyr7027 Si, podrías hacerlo con una SATA Raid Array Card Sil3114, tiene controladores para Windows 98.

@glenharrison8524 3 года назад

@@garyr7027 Pretty sure it did in the old SCSI days (think Intel servers), so why not IDE?

@vinimv12 3 года назад

i'm really surprised but it make sense because of ide interface. awesome video.

@YangiTheCat 3 года назад

perfect video to fall asleep to, like ambien in video form!

@flecom5309 3 года назад

did you enable DMA in the device manager? that made a huge difference back in the day on 9x machines when it came to drive transfer speeds and cpu utilization when hitting the drive

@mutetus 3 года назад

Did you check the "DMA" setting in the device manager->disk drives->generic ide disk blah blah. Coincidentally I installed Windows 98 on an old computer on Saturday and as I was slowly copying some large files to the hard disk, I suddenly remembered the DMA setting was always off by default and it always made an insanely big difference in speed when I switched it on.

@BOBXFILES2374a 3 года назад

Had a lot of good time on my 98 computer. The Gateway logo - haven't seen that in years!

@FortyTwoAnswerToEverything 2 года назад

I remember installing a Tekram IDE PCI cache controller and did absolute wonders for my 486.

@mail4sannu 3 года назад

There was a time when Windows used to restart after installing Adobe Acrobat Reader!

@kevin46942 3 года назад

Hi micheal keep the SSD because you will never have to replace it again.

@----.__ 3 года назад

I've personally had more SSDs fail than HDDs over the last 4 decades.

@kevin46942 3 года назад

@@----.__ Inpossable

@santelite5935 3 года назад

@@----.__ were they like early 10 dollar chinese ssd's? if so, makes sense.

@----.__ 3 года назад

@@santelite5935 I've had an OCZ and two Kingston SSDs fail. I've had one Seagate HDD fail. The SSDs failed in my workstation with very high read/write cycles. OCZ was circa 2012, Kingstons were both in the last 4 years. They weren't used for passive storage which lead to their failure. Seagate HDD failure was late 90's and never bought one again, never had a WD HDD fail to date. That was in a "normal" desktop PC.

@----.__ 3 года назад

@@kevin46942 I'm sorry if you think what I've experienced in the real world is impossible, but like I mentioned, I've had three SSDs fail since I started using them and only one HDD. I'm a computer systems engineer, not a "noob".

@Stavex112 3 года назад

Keep up the great work!

@FinsUpproedits Год назад

Hey Michael MJD I love your channel

@TheRailroad99 3 года назад

You need to enable DMA access to get faster speeds. I think in 98 it was disabled by standard.

@TheRufussino 3 года назад

Those speeds I get when it fallbacks to PIO Mode 0. Try setting it as DMA, it makes a huge difference.

@lexiptac 3 года назад

i thought the same this looks like a PIO bottleneck .Because PIO uses cpu u get same transfer speeds

@Midiatize 3 года назад

HD has that vintage read sound

@headspacetheace 2 года назад

the song that plays on timelapses makes my head Bob everytime

@FinespunSoftware 3 года назад

To improve transfer speed with the drive. Enter your BIOS at boot. Find the IDE settings and make sure all the PIO and DMA modes are enabled. Save the BIOS settings and reboot to windows. Go to Device Manager and right click and go into settings for the IDE controller. There will be settings in there to adjust the PIO and DMA functions. Make sure DMA is enabled and PIO is allowed to the highest level you can set it to. Many OEM machines aimed at the mass market didn't enable DMA and often had PIO severely conservatively set. Back in the 90s when I was trying to improve video capture performance I came across these settings. It can make a very surprising improvement in performance. The first time I messed with it I remember it nearly tripling the transfer performance. Another thing to try is to try using an 80 wire IDE cable if it's not already using one. If your really into getting better performance there are patched drivers out there for using an SATA controller with vintage windows. If you search "Windows 98 SATA controller" you should find downloads.

@amtechtips420 3 года назад

Yess an update on the 5$ Windows 98 PC! Imaging replacing the parts with modern pc parts. That'd be cool.

@Gmodfan750 3 года назад

then it won't be a 98 pc though

@amtechtips420 3 года назад

@@Gmodfan750 did I ask?

@amtechtips420 3 года назад

@@Gmodfan750 look I get that you are in kindergarten but you can take out and reput those parts. It's not permanent 🙄

@amtechtips420 3 года назад

@@Gmodfan750 also use some common sense

@tomasploc6042 2 года назад

skoro žádný rozdíl. gratuluji

@van0tot100 3 года назад

I have always wanted to try this

@superwholocked7418 3 года назад

Expected this video to start with "Hey smokers" ngl

@hugovlsilva 3 года назад

Michael, have you enabled Ultra DMA on the IDE controller's settings? AFAIK, the Windows 98's default setting for IDE cards is to use Programmed I/O, which uses the CPU to control all the I/O operations. In this case, the CPU can be the real bottleneck.

@SilverSeeker 3 года назад

Easy to fix the screwhole issue with a drill tbh, but awesome either way!

@stonent 3 года назад

Make sure you've selected the DMA check box on the hard drive in device manager, and check the performance tab in the system control panel to enable 32bit disk access and 32bit file access. Then re-run the test. It will certainly be faster. The Intel 810 chip supports UDMA 33 or 66 depending on the implementation Gateway went with.

@AMV12S 3 года назад

That moment when you notice this SSD could be faster than the ram of this computer...

@marcelofrau8818 3 года назад

The cables you used seemed to be UDMA66 only.. I can be wrong, but look for the 80wire ones, and also you can enable UltraDMA mode in windows 98 which is not the default, philllabs did a video with ssd and was having a great performance with win98 overthere..

@ZGoddessLola 3 года назад

There is a rack adapter for 2.5” to 3.5” so you can keep the board protection in place

@basicforge 3 года назад

Yup, that was my first thought.

@willieb76 3 года назад

I had soooo many flashbacks during this video. I may have had that exact Gateway PC as my first "real" computer back in 1997.

@ThePersianYT 3 года назад

fInAlLy but seriously, this is what i was thinking of when you posted this video!

@maxmigliore8691 3 года назад

You should get a PCIe to SATA card for the $5 windows 98 pc

@RetroReviewYT 3 года назад

You mean PCI, right? The 98 PC is too old for PCIe

@HazardXXX 3 года назад

@@RetroReviewYT I bought PCI-E to LPT adapter for really old printer before, a lot of things exists on Chinese websites. 10$ for "4 Ports PCI To SATA Quick Add On Card" problem is PCI speed is only 133mb/s shared for all cards installed in the system

@DiabloXL69 2 года назад

9:44 woah that Linux installation is pretty good for formatting drives I just boot my computer from the windows 7 setup dvd and format it from there lol

@p_mouse8676 3 года назад

Nice! Fyi, there are cheap adapter brackets available to mount these 2,5inch discs on a 3.5 or even 5.25inch slots. Including those kind of top/bottom screws!

@littledudejoey 3 года назад

thought this was druaga1 and was confused when i heard Michael start talking lol! Great video tho!

@JonesLucero 3 года назад

Back in the early 2000, i was repairing computers at our school and at the part of the restart process, I saw a ghost lady at the reflection in the monitor standing behind my back and hair at the back of my started to rise. I quickly ran outside and meet up with other staff and when we went back the E-library was so cold. Never went there at night. Great video dude! Made me remember my tech service days.

@CeeTeeUSA 2 года назад

I've dealt with PCs like this back in the NT days. Fun project..

@IvanOoze1990 3 года назад

That gateway splashscreen took an eternity.

@Alpine_flo92002 3 года назад

You could put in a Sata PCI card if that would work. (Wild idea dont know what the mobo is havent watched much)

@cptcrogge 3 года назад

You need a decent card with BIOS else it wont be bootable

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

Pci is connected to a bus where it's speed is shared amongst all pci slots. Having a pci sata card will have diminished max speed if any pci slot is populated. Both ide and pci are connected to the Southbridge. Pcie is not pci. A single drive on a single ide channel will be faster than any pci card version.

@Skligmund 3 года назад

@@LeoInterVir And to think we used to do RAID 0 with PCI IDE cards with great effectiveness back in the early 2000's (like the Promise FastTrack 100). PCI bus can handle it. Might get some slow downs if using all 100 megabits (12.5 MegaBytes) of the ethernet, but even then it will be much faster than ATA-33 speeds he is getting now. PCI bus can handle 133MB/s. Looked like an AGP video card, so that shouldn't be an issue. I've had success with PCI SATA RAID cards in comparison to onboard ATA100 IDE on my old Abit KT7-E Athlon machine (I really do miss that awesome old blue motherboard I spent WAY too much time overclocking and modding). This was done in Win98 SE, as I didn't change OS's until I bought XP close to 2003. I highly doubt what he has on the PCI bus would use enough throughput to cause the PCI bus to be slower than an onboard ATA-66 IDE slot.

@LeoInterVir 3 года назад

@@Skligmund I didn't say it wouldn't work or be effective at all. His bad adapter, cable, drive or settings does not change max speeds of pci or ide. Pci slots share bandwidth to the Southbridge. IDE channels go direct to Southbridge. Any on-board audio, networking, or video on older motherboards would have likely shared the pci bus in addition to user add-in cards. The primary purpose of those cards beeing mentioning is to add additional storage or redundancy to a system that is otherwise populated on ide. If speed is wanted then scsi on the motherboard would sure be the fastest.

@DeejayMobileLegends 3 года назад

please make a video about the history of windows 2000 development

@AnimEva_33 3 года назад

That is very good to know!

@dhruvhere4you 3 года назад

Childhood throwback :D

@the.crypto.x 3 года назад

PIO Mode 0 - Burst Speed 3.33MB/s - Likely BIOS set to Auto and it cannot detect the correct mode therefore defaulting to Mode 0, the worst PIO option in terms of throughput. Google this "What's the Difference Between PIO and DMA Mode?" read the first article that appears. Hopefully this helps for the follow-up video and increased throughput. :)

@Aleli54 3 года назад

I think that “sticky” was a thermal pad for the chips on that adapter, also they do sell 2.5 to 3.5 adapters for cheap online.

@J_M_F 3 года назад

Michael ty for this great time travel to the late 90's :-) BTW not sure if a NVMe drive with a PCI adapter would work

@SuperStarHD725 3 года назад

When you apply a legendary upgrade to a common item

@ThePsychoticWombat 3 года назад

As I have stated and many others, activate DMA, but try it on the harddrive too as that will probably up the speed on the HDD too. And it will reduce the boot time with abou 90% too. Also try a 32 bit Linux like Debian ;)

@lol123406 3 года назад

would enabling DMA make anything faster? it's something you always have to manually enable

@awsomewe360 3 года назад

Ive always loved those drums microsoft used when Windows 98 updates system settings on these installs.

@gustukas 3 года назад

Me too! Me too..

@awsomewe360 3 года назад

You may need a sperate UltraATA PCI card, to really get those drives the speed they deserve. I put one in my Powermac G4 (mainly because of its drive size limitation) and it works great. Im pretty sure I saw more of those that supported Windows than mac, so you should be able to find plenty.

@Sabrintwitt3r 3 года назад

Druaga1 approves

@dominic0305 3 года назад

Next video: "Installing an Intel Core i3 in the $5 Windows 98 PC!"

@emusunlimited 3 года назад

i love the norton av message... thats a little over 21 years.

@jackjones6936 3 года назад

As you bought an ide to sata adapter, you could have picked up a 2.5" to 3.5" hdd adapter. My old OCZ 2.5" ssd came with one. Also, would be good to see what crystal disk info says. It would tell you the ide/pata mode the drive was running and possibly the motherboard's max supported mode. Could be a bios option or driver that would enable much faster speeds.

@LazyBunnyKiera 3 года назад

everyone else seemed to have the same thought. using an 80-pin ide cable and making use DMA/UDMA mode is enabled. Since those are PIO speeds.

@ericsundwall6044 3 года назад

This is an amazing step forward for the Windows 98 Boot speedrun community. I dare say SSDs will become the new meta.

@fujitsubo3323 Год назад

the white sitcky thing you removed is there to stop the adapter from possibly touching a 3.5" drive you might have installed and having it short out on the adapter and the hdd when it flops around

@BrianMartin2007 3 года назад

@MJD, you’re stuck in PIO Mode 4. Need to enable DMA in bios or Windows

@BlindMansRevenge2002 3 года назад

This was fascinating! I have always toyed around with the idea of sticking a solid-state drive in an old Dell Inspiron 9300 from 2005. I think after seeing this video I am going to not do that because it seems like it would be a waste of time and money if I’m going to be limited by the motherboard.

@randyops5246 2 года назад

2:34 You can search to buy 3.5 to 2.5 hdd/ssd bracket. More easy to fix it in place.

@TheEulerID 3 года назад

There are 2.5 - 3.5" mount adapters, but personally I've just used self-adhesive Velcro strips to mount small SSDs before. It works fine and they can easily be removed.

@Choralone422 3 года назад

How you mounted the SSD totally reminded me of a 486 PC I installed a 1.2 GB HDD in back in early 1996. It was in a Packard Bell desktop PC that was only meant to have 1 HDD installed in it. I ended up installing the 2nd HDD in it using double sided tape. The 2nd HDD ended up being taped to the top of the PSU. It was janky as heck but it worked like a charm!

@basicforge 3 года назад

That's cool, but it would have been pretty easy to drill new holes in the top of the case to mount the drive, right?