Installing Our New DC Fast Charger! XCharge NZS 200kWh Battery Integrated Unit

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Welcome to our first DC Fast Charger install to rapidly charge electric cars! In this episode we replace an existing level 2 EVSE with a XCharge NZS that contains a 233kWh battery pack to allow high power charging with only a 19kW grid connection in our case. Hope you enjoy!
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@Neberheim 4 дня назад

Sounds like an episode at a city council meeting should be forthcoming.

@jasongroendyk9432 5 дней назад

Fort Collins resident and new EV owner here. Your review of the permitting process and the lack of DC fast charging infrastructure here was eye opening. I have LV2 charging at home so I haven't considered that the GMC dealership was the "best" we had, but I really hope the City does something about this, soon.

@KyleConner 5 дней назад

It’s crazy that the GMC dealer was the fastest until now… so much work to be done!

@ahbushnell1 5 дней назад

Loveland has chargers.

@KyleConner 5 дней назад

@@ahbushnell1yes, but that’s Loveland and not Fort Collins haha

@DainPhillipz 5 дней назад

@@KyleConner This is super fascinating! Is the podcast... still happening?

@briannugent1557 5 дней назад

@@KyleConner For sure. The last time I tried it, I only got 28.5kW from the GMC dealer charger, even though it's a 62kW station. I think they limited it since it came back online. So, evGo is really the fastest at 50kW.

@chadshenk 5 дней назад

I decided to look up demand charges for my area (Huntsville, Alabama) and was pleasantly surprised to see that the city utility has a dedicated rate plan for DC fast chargers (with no demand charges) for $0.23 / kWh. We do get power from TVA, so our base rate is already pretty low compared to a lot of the country.

@Heartless_13224 4 дня назад

Really! I'm in the Huntsville area. I had no idea. Then they are having a hefty markup on the Chargepoint units near the hospital at 42 cents/kWh.

@chadshenk 4 дня назад

@@Heartless_13224 That’s one of the reasons I will always try to charge at a supercharger before anywhere else, the ones by Trader Joe’s are $0.34 / kWh. They’re installing some new ones in Madison as well, so hopefully they’re similarly priced.

@Dactylonian 4 дня назад

These guys are epic. They stayed until after 9pm to get this all sorted out. The crew deserves some Odell’s Easy Street Wheat and some (original recipe) Fat Tire.

@bvalantinas 5 дней назад

Cable swap segment at around 40 min repeats itself. FYI

@redyau_ 5 дней назад

Maybe remove it with RU-vid editor?

@kd7lxl 4 дня назад

He is really excited about NACS okay.

@Alex_Bessinger 5 дней назад

The smaller cable for the NACS appears to be achieved by using "dual conductors" for DC+ and DC-, which allows for tighter packaging and greater flexibility. In my time at QC Charge, we used a similar approach for our 40A cables, which were thinner and more flexible than most other 40A cables cables on the market at the time. On those, rather than using a single 8 AWG conductor for each line, it used 2 paralleled 12 AWG conductors (which works out to ~9 AWG combined).

@junktionfet 5 дней назад

Wow I'm super impressed with this product. It's a brilliant idea and I can see a number of perfect use cases for it. One step at a time I suppose.

@dallasthola6431 5 дней назад

Kyle, for 3 phase power you get to multiply by square root of 3. So 40A at 480 will supply up to 33 KVA.

@woodshop2300 5 дней назад

Yes, but I think they are piggy backing the HVAC on the same circuit so the charge rate needs to account for charging with HVAC active

@desmo200 4 дня назад

I'm thinking when the installer said they were bringing over 4 conductors and the HVAC transformer is 277V that it might be single phase L1-L2 for the charger and L3-N for the transformer primary (or whatever combination of line-line and line-neutral they chose)

@patrickmay8261 4 дня назад

@@desmo200WAG is the charger is balanced across all three phases and the transformer pulling on one phase. Would have helped a little bit if that transformer was 480 single phase primary but they may not have thought about that where the system was designed. Then you wouldn't need the neutral either.

@uhjyuff2095 4 дня назад

the isolation transformer is rated at 6kva. I wonder what size fuses they used in that disconnect as to avoid a code violation.

@Roeland54 4 дня назад

As european it seems crazy to me to have a single phase to feed a 19kW system.

@Kameronkonalives 4 дня назад

This is happening in the Seattle area with DC chargers. Look at Tesla’s map. There are several stations that are construction complete, but awaiting the city to finish permitting for final hookup. The 250 kW charger with 12 stalls near me was finished in roughly 3 weeks by Tesla. The permitting process caused this station to take 8 months to actually activate…. Ballard, Northgate, Shoreline etc are impacted. Check them out in TMC

@scottbalak7123 5 дней назад

My work (MA) has been waiting for more than a year on permits to install 4 more (L2 6kw chargers). We have 8 chargers today and they're always full. It's completely ridiculous. Can you imagine if it took this long to get approval to install an electric dryer (which is also ~6kw) in your home.

@zmarko 4 дня назад

And here I am having been all proud of myself for installing my own Wall Charger this past week. 🤣

@Captain_DeSync 5 дней назад

Augh, so cool! Quite unfortunate how FoCo fights these things every step of the way. Like you said, you’d think they’d help but apparently not. Regardless though, what at neat installation!

@rud 5 дней назад

Have been waiting to see this for a long time. 😀🔌 So rare we get to see inside these things. 😀

@mkgearhead5151 5 дней назад

If it's any consolation, South Dakota is way worse. My wife and I went up there for our anniversary last month. The Cadillac dealership in Spearfish installed fast chargers, then the power company decided to charge them over $1700/month to use them. They ended up having to disable them. The only other one in Spearfish hasn't worked in months. There are only 2 or 3 fast chargers in Rapid City. You would think that a state whose biggest industry is tourism would take EV infrastructure more seriously. I live out in the sticks in Fort Morgan, CO and we have a 350kw Electrify America charger at the local Walmart. I almost exclusively charge at home since electricity here is only about 8.2 cents per kwh.

@ChristianBehnke 5 дней назад

A great option for smaller communities where the EV infrastructure is a challenge and lower charging needs exist!

@YeOldeTraveller 3 дня назад

I worked with power for data centers and equipment rooms. Those 480 feeds will jump if you give them a chance. Good to see that all due care was taken with that install.

@luisbarraza9709 4 дня назад

Great work as always peeps. Lol at Kyle saying mushrooms on pizza was to exotic 😂

@johntrotter8678 5 дней назад

I have no need to know this detail, but I appreciate it anyway! Thanks.

@trevorkoch6149 5 дней назад

Can’t wait to try it! That was my e golf charging spot when visiting from Denver.

@busog97641 4 дня назад

*I never knew that mushroom was considered "exotic".*😉

@LarsDennert 4 дня назад

Welcome to every municipality in the USA. It takes much longer to get permits than to build. As a developer, it took us six years to get building permits in one City.

@wingsounds13 3 дня назад

This is so cool. I can't wait for future videos with this and future chargers.

@mathiasman 5 дней назад

pretty ironic that you only get 19kW at the "powerhouse". Pretty sure I have that capacity in my apartment. Probably will be a bit bulky in my living room though.

@uhjyuff2095 4 дня назад

I saw a 6KVA isolation transformer. They tried to input more and that could be a code violation so they need to put the right size fuses in the disconnect.

@SuperchargedJester 4 дня назад

I really enjoyed the technical info on this install.. I watched every minute of it.

@YeOldeTraveller 3 дня назад

Wish I had know about this last week when I drove through.

@TechnicalLee 3 дня назад

Kyle, 40A on 3-phase 480V breaker is 33.3 kW, not 19.2 kW. Three phase provides more power than single phase at the same voltage and current. So you could probably set the charger to draw more power for recharging without overloading the circuit, assuming you aren't running into a panel limitation.

@ahbushnell1 5 дней назад

Is this charger open to the public? My permitting for home solar took a very long time. It took one year.

@steinmar2 5 дней назад

Kyle YOU ARE AWESOME!!!

@meandmyEV 5 дней назад

Great job everyone! I know you would not have released a video of a guy electrocuting himself but it still gave me anxiety to watch him hot wire that circuit. I shut off power to my entire house even just to change an outlet. 😂

@wuchengranschiiet9992 5 дней назад

So cool! Build a OOS charge park 😄

@jeffs6090 5 дней назад

He's playing with that idea out at his new garage office space.

@moondoggie1968 5 дней назад

480 is consider Low Voltage for Insdustrial Electricians in Canada. 3 Phase, 2 Phase does not matter, voltage is voltage.

@rabidpb 4 дня назад

As a Brit walking into a commercial space in Montreal I was surprised to find a 600V incomer (no guarding over the terminals inside the cabinet!), a transformer hung from the ceiling (yikes), and the lighting circuits running at 347V from before the transformer (wtf?)

@uhjyuff2095 4 дня назад

@@rabidpb The lowest bidder won the contract!

@rabidpb 4 дня назад

@@uhjyuff2095 Don't get me wrong, the install was all to a good standard, and to code; it was just all strange and unfamiliar to my experience.

@AerialWaviator 3 дня назад

The sign needs an upgrade to "EV Charging Only" ... No Parking. LOL.

@bartz118 4 дня назад

I think this is the first DC charger that I have seen with a NACS connector besides on the supercharger network.

@jonathanhansen5976 3 дня назад

It looks like the electrical co-op around fort Collins is part of the tri-state co-op. That's where they get their power from. Our co-op in Taos New Mexico broke away from tri-state about 6 7 years ago. Many co-ops in Colorado have broken away since but we were the first to break off from tri-state. Tri-State is a sinking ship.

@PeteAUS1983 4 дня назад

This would be great in Australia for sites that only have 3 phase power and are not approved for massive current draw.

@Roeland54 4 дня назад

This charger was clearly designed with a 3 x 400V + N net connection in mind. A 400V system also provides 230V without transformer. So the external transformer is only needed because of the 480v net. Maybe this is also the explanation of the limited charge rate of 19kW while the 40A at 480v is able tot deliver 33kW of power. Looks like they are leaving some power on the table here. But this may be a limitation of the charger.

@hallcrash 4 дня назад

The utilities rate structure isn't gonna change. The whole point of that type of rate is to get commercial consumers to manage their own peak use... with on-site storage. If you're going to add more DC fast charging, install a battery bank or get more of the integrated chargers like your spotlighting in this video. Permitting should be easier, I agree with that.

@PeaceChanel 4 дня назад

Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤

@Trashed20659 4 дня назад

Now that is genius! As long as a limited number a EVs use it daily, you should have enough DC fast charging when needed!

@uhjyuff2095 4 дня назад

right, the daily use should be under 144kWh a day so the battery can be recharged.

@viplav76 5 дней назад

Hi Kyle. Know this must have been expensive, but budget permitting, it would be great to add a board indicating recommending side of parking for different EVs. This is small but since it’s a test case, why not set some more good examples :) cheers. Further the board could have updatable sides or a digital one, to add newer models

@DrDave_63395 4 дня назад

Kyle Really interested to learn of the duty cycle on your battery usage. And how much you derate power delivery when the battery is getting low. 19kW in and 150kW out means 8 to 1 when pulling 150kW from the battery.

@jeffs6090 4 дня назад

I'm surprised there's been no videos from the OOS crew on GM now able to charge on the Tesla SC network. Many others have made videos. Usually Kyle is all over these things, and it's been 5 days now.

@Snerdles 5 дней назад

You should see if you can get a review unit of the Point Guard energy 25kw DC fast charger for homes. I believe it can only output 25kw if pulling from solar, the battery stack, and AC... But 25kw DC at your house? I'm pretty much already sold.

@otm646 4 дня назад

What's your situation at home where Level 2 AC charging isn't adequate?

@Snerdles 4 дня назад

@@otm646 my situation at home is I'm a greedy bastard and tech nerd and want 25kw if it's available... But also since it's DC it can also support using the EV battery as an extension of the home battery at the same rate (they sell a 12.5kw and 25kw version). It doesn't seem to be working with any vehicles in North America yet but once it does it means I can have something like a 24kwh battery in the home stack and 84kwh in something like an Ioniq 5 to have access to massive amounts of power to last days if I need to in a winter storm.

@fvkUis357 5 дней назад

what happened to the xcharge you installed in your house/garage, you said the'd be a follow up...stocked up for that

@VipreNZ 4 дня назад

Battery backed DC fast chargers operate in the same way as a water tower

@Kimbrough87 5 дней назад

i watched the whole video love it

@Smidge204 4 дня назад

I'd love to hear more details on the permitting process. Not only would that be more transferable knowledge to anyone else who might be thinking about installing DCFC, but maybe some of the hangups could be converted into politically actionable items i.e. talking to regulators/legislators about *specific* issues to streamline the process.

@patrickmay8261 4 дня назад

Permitting is very specific to different AHJs. If that was in California, they would have spent thousands of dollars coming into compliance with ADA. You would have had an architect involved to draw the drawings for the layout of the spaces.

@Smidge204 4 дня назад

@@patrickmay8261 Yes each jurisdiction will have its quirks, but that doesn't mean there can't be any lessons learned that can be broadly applied. Also ADA compliance is not difficult at all. I speak from experience on that one... all you need is to show the critical dimensions are being satisfied. Being in California makes little difference since ADA is a federal regulations not state. I can almost guarantee they needed and Engineer to design the install and draft plans for permitting anyway...

@MattThomas-p2x 5 дней назад

Can it paired with solar to directly DC charge the battery bank?

@RaymondBurnsJr 4 дня назад

It can handle up to 30KW PV input

@mikoske 5 дней назад

Looking forward to the next video! And yeah, no mushrooms on pizza!

@RayJohnson1980 4 дня назад

ask the crew at xcharge if they can get a evject type plugs for their chargers in nacs and ccs2

@alecs3031 5 дней назад

I like fast charging as much as the next guy, but please don't forget to leave some level 2 charging option nearby for those users who can't dc charge like phev or electric motorcycles that often don't have the possibility.

@NIAtoolkit 5 дней назад

Kyle for Mayor

@davenz000 5 дней назад

No then he'd have no time to do cool reviews dealing with the lunacy of paper shuffling. Should interview the city council however.

@pasad335 3 дня назад

So you just added a 40A fixed load to a 125A panel. A panel with two unlabeled existing breakers. That's why permitting is important.

@johnpoldo8817 3 дня назад

Where is the CAT6 Internet cable so Xcharge can perform remote diagnostics and firmware upgrades? Or, does this utilize WiFi or cellular for Internet connection?

@kd7lxl 4 дня назад

"Number 1, 2, 3" while pointing to dip switches in the 3, 4, 5 positions 😂

@HenryLoenwind 4 дня назад

There are only 10 types of people: Those who can read binary and those who can't.

@Scoopta 4 дня назад

I do work on LV systems,

@StephenJohnson-jr5hp 4 дня назад

Pete Buttigieg needs to watch this too. Thanks for sharing.

@gmv0553 2 дня назад

He has nothing to do with local regulations!

@RayJohnson1980 4 дня назад

is that the gen 2 that also has the option for 30kw of pv input?

@icare7151 5 дней назад

Awesome!

@davidwilker4795 5 дней назад

What’s next, a solar roof to reduce the cost rate structure?

@thehobe150 5 дней назад

With a 208 kWHr battery, one charge of a Ford F150 EV or a Cybertruck will deplete 50-80% of the storage battery. I do not think the storage battery is big enough! A 5 hour delay between large battery vehicles. Then we are stuck with a 19 kW battery charger! Please help me to understand otherwise.

@MH-Tesla 5 дней назад

Obviously, like he said, he may add additional battery storage depending on how it goes. And typical fast charging of 50-60% of the cars battery, so 200 will do 7 Tesla's if they come back to back to back. I don't think they will get that many in a day.

@thehobe150 5 дней назад

@@MH-Tesla Most Tesla owners charge their batteries to 80% and typically from 10-20%, that's 65% of the installed battery capacity. 65% of a typical battery energy is 65-150kWhr, or 42-97.5kWhr. The 208kWhr battery will probably be discharged to a minimum of 10% so that is 180kWhr maximum. The number of cars that can be accommodated is the 1.9-2.8 vehicles since they said presently that they can only charge cars or recharge the storage battery at any time, so the 19kW charging is only applicable when the charging station is not charging a vehicle. In general, customers do not go to a charging station to do a partial charge, they do it because it charges much quickly than a home charging or they are on a trip away from their home. Please check my math.

@HenryLoenwind 4 дня назад

Please don't forget that those 19kW are also active while the cars are charging, reducing the draw on the battery. I prefer to calculate this way around: The battery can roughly supply full power for 80 minutes, with one recovered every 7.5 minutes of idle time. With a typical charge session taking about 20 minutes, that would be 4 cars in quick succession.

@HenryLoenwind 4 дня назад

@uhjyuff2095 4 дня назад

@@MH-Tesla he needs a bigger transformer to open up more capacity. For some reason I saw a 6KVA transformer but I guess that gets the unit up and running for now.

@david9192 4 дня назад

Are those windmills on the building next to you?

@alancobbin 5 дней назад

Happy days 👍😉

@unvjustintime1 4 дня назад

Love how the Chinese chose whatever the hell colors they wanted inside the units even though it’s a US market unit

@hallcrash 4 дня назад

Those bollards wouldn't meet code where I live. Those bolts will sheer right off with an sizable impact. The bollards around here are 4 feet in the ground.

@stevencole7331 4 дня назад

Wow . Not a good look with a arc flash . At 480 volt that is very serious . A bit embarrassing for the crew. Mistakes happen but when they do with electrical it can be deadly . I don't understand why the charging cables are not on a reel type setup so the cable is not accessible when not in use

@cautilli 4 дня назад

can this be connected to a single phase power source? they are very common in usa

@viplav76 5 дней назад

Would it allow users/you to lower the amperage? Or its got to be only in the car (if available)

@jameslaster3498 4 дня назад

Jordan - Sko Buffs.

@mikeselectricstuff 5 дней назад

So what happens if you just go ahead and install it - just replacing one charger with another, honest!

@otm646 4 дня назад

I would agree, it's simply a hardware swap. Your electrical code locally is not going to have anything about POU battery storage. You're simply swapping one Level 2 charger for another (electrically).

@patrickmay8261 4 дня назад

Depending on the AHJ they could red tag it and lock it out. California the could report to the CSLB (Contractors State License Board) and go after the contractor(s) for performing unpermitted work. Then make you get a permit and make your life a bigger hell through that process and the inspection stages.

@denault3985 5 дней назад

Kyle flips the switch on the charger, than the lights in Fort Collins go out...😛

@ahbushnell1 4 дня назад

I don't see it on plug share yet?

@gbphil 5 дней назад

You have an ‘EV PARKING ONLY’ sticker on the front, shouldn’t it instead say ‘EV ACTIVE CHARGING >100KW ONLY!’? 😎😇

@bam111965 5 дней назад

Nice!

@PerumalsamyShama 4 дня назад

I felt this wonderful feeling in my mind, body and soul when she said “I prefer kislux

@omartin30 5 дней назад

Are you allowing public access? plugshare/others?

@bazanime 4 дня назад

Yummy floor pizza. 😋

@RuskJames-t3r 5 дней назад

Marquardt Station

@Scoopta 4 дня назад

Wait...why is the grid connection only 19.2kW? Shouldn't it be 33kW? I ask because 50Ax277Vx3Ø is 41.5kWx80% is 33.2kW. 20kW would only be the limit if only 2 phases were used.

@patrickmay8261 4 дня назад

The transformer for the HVAC system is loading up one of the phases and the neutral. That transformer should have been speed at 480v single phase not 277V. Probably something to do with the foreign origins not thinking to spec a transformer to better balance the phases.

@uhjyuff2095 4 дня назад

@@patrickmay8261 ikr, the label on the transformer said 6KVA. But it works I guess.

@Roeland54 4 дня назад

I think this is exactly what is happening. The charger is not using the 3 phases. Must be a limitation of the charger I think.

@uhjyuff2095 3 дня назад

@@Roeland54 I rewatched and the small transformer powers the air conditioner for the battery compartment.

@cautilli 4 дня назад

how much?

@gingerboi8711 5 дней назад

I would love a colab video with Tom At SOC on the DC charger testing

@keithhere5868 4 дня назад

welcome to red tape gov.....:)

@keithhere5868 5 дней назад

where are the AUTEL DC fast charger?

@djlorenz11 4 дня назад

Taxpayer money wasted in endless bureaucracy in permitting, if we really want to scale EVs, this has to change, quickly.

@zuneyluney 4 дня назад

What happened with your leaf? There hasn't been a video in a month

@markmonroe7330 4 дня назад

I wonder how the costs of the 200kwh of batteries, their replacement cycle costs and the added cost of the unit itself to have them - factors in to the cost of charging. I can only imagine that the unit with the electronics and batteries is crazy, crazy expensive. I mean the charging unit itself/batteries has its own dedicated HVAC cooling and heating system. I am not exactly sure how all of this is considered "green" and environmentally friendly.

@dalececil7527 5 дней назад

I wonder if there is a way to adapt a Tesla Powerwall 2 to DC fast charge a car.

@JorgBrown 4 дня назад

Yes... but you'd need a LOT of Powerwalls to make that work, since Powerwalls are designed to discharge over a 12-to-24 hour period, and not designed to quickly discharge. When I had Powerwalls installed, they said I needed to get a different A/C system if I wanted to still have A/C during an outage. I ended up getting a 4-Powerwall install to get the higher current draw, but even then, 4 is barely enough for an OK A/C charge of my car... not enough for a fast DC charge.

@HansCSchellenberg 4 дня назад

And its broken

@Digg_Nitty 5 дней назад

Maybe I'm overly paranoid, but I would edit out the portion of the video where one of the Winn guys uses his admin code on the charger.

@andrewt9204 5 дней назад

It's just 123456 for initial commissioning, you're supposed to change it.

@yayinternets 5 дней назад

"I'm from the Government and I'm here to help." If you are an underachiever in life, are afraid of anything new or different, have a fragile ego, and have a punitive mindset, you'll do great as an employee working in Government.

@jmanjr 2 дня назад

Bingo. Well said

@mattsnider5704 3 дня назад

You say the same thing over and over again. Your video could be half or less of the time if you stopped all the redundancy.

@nathanbeaner928 3 дня назад

Way too long of a video!!!

@randyb620 5 дней назад

I’m from the government, I’m here to help… oh crap.

@AV1978AZ 5 дней назад

That’s why we have an ev adoption problem. Is problems like this that stifle innovation and why we need massive deregulation. These city departments should be held criminally liable

@speedracer9132 5 дней назад

Can’t believe you still drive that dumpster, but then again I guess I’m not too surprised

@444thunderstr0ke 4 дня назад

Please make your videos shorter 🙏💀

@lmanders2 4 дня назад

Your microphone has horrible background noise behind your voice when speaking. It sounds kind of like radio static. I have noticed this in many videos of yours.

@markwebb7667 5 дней назад

I’m sure you know the demographic well for those parking in that area, but it always upsets me to see construction work and staging of materials taking up multiple handicap parking spots. You missed an opportunity to lead by example there

@AylenFaba 3 дня назад

I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.