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@MaxTechOfficial When testing Lightroom, please connect laptops to 4K monitors and see if sliders in development mode are not lagging. Development mode is sensitive to resolution and for many people fluent developent mode will be more important than exporting speed.
They will in the next gen, Currently they are using 2x powerful version of 8gen2 gpu which is weak by pc standards Rumors are that x elite 2 will use more powerful version of 8gen4 gpu , which can have upto 2x performance of m3 gpu (8gen4 gpu is rumored to be on par with m3 gpu) Currently 8gen3 gpu is more powerful than m1.
@@gabrielangel1996 i won't say x86 is dead yet, lunar lake is extremely promising in efficiency. They are targeting 15-20w of tdp and gpu will surpass m4💀 And for x elite gen2, it will have the most powerful cpu in windows without a doubt because they will also use ARM V9 SME instructions which apple m4 is using, which can boost its single core performance close to 4000 points in geekbench 6. And x elite 2 "may be" announced in october of this year along with 8gen4 (8gen4 is confirmed in october) because they announced x elite with 8gen3 in previous year
@@Silent.killer_007 8gen3 gpu is more powerful than the M1 wow impressive the M1 is 4 years old with the M4 M4 Pro M4 Max and M4 ultra coming anytime soon
@@mr.spokesman5849The first emoji is a stone statue of a strong and masculine man. It represents excellent results. The clown represents laughable results.
The heat and fan noise from the Intel chips is the main problem for all my customers. None of them need massive CPU power, just enough to run Office programs. As soon as Lenovo, Acer, Dell etc start releasing more reasonably priced ARM laptops, all my customers will shift to ARM based laptops. I hope for Intel they have a business plan for surviving without the pc marked.
Yeah they've been anticipating this for a while and are inviting ARM designers to use their fabs... Not ideal for them but they should survive, especially since they are local to the US and tarrifs are looking to get worse
@@rajbhararyan4746 100w isn't that low , lower temp = more room for boost clock before hitting thermal limit/ fan need to rev up There are different kind of VC + /VC+ fin stack for different TDP value You can found VC on smartphone, on laptop like Samsung ultra book / dell XPS and it been proved have better cooling capacity than regular heat pipe+fin stack cooling So, why not ?
@@frankwong9486G16 2024 need this chips. It has full capability to run snapdragon x elite 84 at full 80 watt. It's battery with core ultra is 12 hours , it will be more higher. The chip does support discrete gpu that will fix the weak integrated gpu.
I am impressed with X Elite, not by its performance or battery life, but price. $500 USD cheaper than Intel. I hope that $1,000 barrier will be broken soon.
This is the only comparison that matters… the Mac vs windows comparisons are the most pointless reviews. Most people have an operating system they prefer and aren’t going to switch. Me being windows myself with having a history with Mac and never going back, I don’t care how “close” the performance is against Mac… I care how much quicker it is than the previous generation of itself.
True, although there are people always in the fence, the overwhelming majority are used to the software and workflow on their current OS. Still, competition only improves things for consumers.
hah, i dont even care about the platform. these are laptops meant for working on the go. people are kidding themselves if they think they are getting the performance of workstation/mac pro cheese grater.
Even in the unlikely scenario that ARM will take over the x86 market, Intel has future proofed itself by building fabs that will feature the new ASML High NA-EUV lithography machines. They won't have an issue building other companies ARM chips because that's a software instruction set, not a hardware issue.
Sooooo Intelvjust needs to learn to compete in a market that it doesn't dominate and maintain tye position through bullying and illegal practices, but being efficient and innovating. They're doomed. Oh well, what's on Netflix? 🤣
The more of these tests I see of x86 CISC versus ARM RISC I'm beginning to think Intel basically set computing back 2 decades by killing all of the competition with marketing and market manipulation. Had ARM or PPC or some other RISC based chip been able to compete with x86 through the 90s and 00s at the same level of developer integration as x86 the computing world would look vastly different than it does today!
Guess what - its NOT that ARM on Windows will suceed this time because it is technically better but because it is CHEAPER. Of course the alternatives in the 90s were better ( like a MIPS based SGI O2 which had a crossbar ... ) - but those we niche computers with a price tag.
A little oversimplified don't you think? ARM was used in the 1st gen iPhone from what..2007? So that is 17 years where you had a computer in your pocket. Apple had a three year transition to ARM that pissed a lot of people off because they disabled 32 bit, but Apple makes it's money from phones rather that computers for the most part so they could absorb the hit to the pocket. The only other company I can think of that could absorb that financial hit for the transition is Samsung. MS played with ARM but gave it up until Apple hit the market. You are thinking fun shit on your PC and they are thinking market share. The only reason Apple ran with it was because they had no gamer market to lose. They were all about professionals. Even now the graphics performance on the X Elite is 1/2 of the iMacs, so what do they gain today? You are in a bubble, sorry. If NASA was at peak, absolutely the ARM chip would have developed further because every bit of power is life in space but here on earth we have power sockets.
Who buys a $1,300 laptop to watch youtube videos. You might as well get a $200 chromebook that consumes even less power. The real battery drain happens when doing heavy tasks, and x86 chips are simply more performant, taking less time, therefore draining less battery life.
@@sophieedel6324 Valid, but you missed some common sense. People can do both, watch YT vids or do intensive tasks on their laptop. It's not an either or situation
@@DS-Pakaemonx86 are more performant than ARM chips, due to the extended x86 instruction sets. There is nothing "insane" about it. If one has to do a heavy workload, x86 will finish that task sooner, and end up using up less battery life than ARM. If you only watch videos or browse the web, yes I'm sure ARM is more battery efficient, and RISC-V is more battery efficient still. But I would hope a $1,300 laptop is not being bought just to browse the web and watch youtube videos, a $200 chromebook can do that too.
@@sophieedel6324 Doesn't change the fact X Elite consumes a lot less than Intel when sleeping & streaming. Also unlike you, I don't assume how people actually use their laptops. Secondly, $200 chromebooks have shitty TN panel 760p, non-existent contrast screens and loads videos very slowly. You act like one would get a similar experience using that and a $1300 with 2.5k MiniLED high contrast screens.
That's a machine I'm *eagerly* looking forward to!
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Not sure how much demand there will be for a $400 keyboard for the Surface Go. (The version for the Surface Pro is $450, but a smaller one for the Surface Go will probably cost a bit less.) Even if that price includes the pen.
I don’t think the Elite will compete with Lunar Lake. As it looks right now, this could compete and surpass this in efficiency (crazy to say this about Intel). Especially in GPU performance Lunar Lake will stomp this…
While ARM is cool, it still needs some time for all the apps to work on it. I am more interested in the next generation since that is probably when we won’t have see a problem with apps because of the x86 architecture.
@@gabrielangel1996 it’s all thanks to Apple they hired engineers from Intel and Google and developed the M1 chips that did release in 2020 Qualcomm was blown away and had no competing product those engineers from Intel and Google who worked for Apple did leave Apple and started there own chip company Nuvia to develop and make sever chips Qualcomm acquired Nuvia and that’s how they made the X-Elite without Apple there would be no X-Elite we would still have the SQ3 SQ4 chips
Yes and the boost clocks are also more so for single-threaded applications. Not for multi-threaded compute-heavy tasks like benchmarks, video encoding, CPU rendering or physics simulation
This is what the discussion should have always been about. What good are those powerful intel and amd laptoos if they fall apart when you unplug them? Laptops are supposed to be portable and mobile.
Should be interesting when the Lunar Lake version of these Windows Surfaces and others comes out. I would expect the benchmarks to jump ahead of X Elite. Especially GPU tasks.
Graphics wise will be better, for sure. But CPU wise i really doubt. Lunar lake has 8 cores with 4 of them being e-cores. And Intel has never been good with power efficient.
@@gabrielangel1996 Remember, these new Intel CPU's will have a completely different architectural design which will be significantly more efficient then the current. Can't wait to see the differences.
Normal people shouldn't expect X Elite to immediately wipe the floor. Like Intel ARC, the first generation might be rough. But consequent generations will be a lot better. The only problem I have is that unlike Intel ARC, Qualcomm was hyping it up to be an M3 Pro destroyer, even though it was more like an Intel/AMD competitor.
But will they? They're still running x86. If you look purely at the productivity environment, I still think ARM has x86 licked. If someone is looking for an all day battery office machine to take on the road and don't need CAD or gaming ability, in a light and portable device, but still want to stay in the Windows ecosystem, the Snapdragons are very appealing. Also take into account, many people have to buy NOW and can't base their company's buying strategy on a hope and a dream from Intel and AMD. Its either embrace the clear advantage of Snapdragon ARM or settle for older Intel tech.
Used not to care about the fan noise but that changed while at University as it was so distracting when my DELL Inspiron laptop which was a 2 in 1 could just randomly decide to fire its jet engines😅. Everyone in the room would look at me. I definitely sold it off a quick as I could 😅 Currently have a Lenovo and that makes less fan noise 🙂 Hope too get a Mac in future.
I have been consistently looking for people to do heavy work on excel on these laptops. I feel business and consulting people are going to make use of a machine like this which offers really good battery efficiency for long hours of traveling.
For longer tests with both fans on, it makes a difference which Laptop is right or left, depending which one gets the cool air or the exhausted hot one from the other laptop!!
I’ve got my doubts about that chip. But it’ll be cool if it can live up to what they’re saying it can do. It’s lacking things like hyper threading though
@@christianr.5868 yeah would be really fun to see x86 being able to compete :) Hyperthreading uses more power and since they’re going all in with power efficiency I guess and they’re still getting a good amount of IPC improvement. Let’s hope intel keeps their word and we’ll get amazing chips to compete as that always the best for us ;)
@@lesleyhaan116 much more designed like apples m chips and how the processor is built. Have a look at some demos where a 4k 60fps video only uses 2/3 Watts on Lunar Lake and about 20/25 on Meteor Lake
@@lorenzocorsomusic1308 i think that's for encoding if im not wrong, gaming performance is still really impressive(leaks suggest that Xe2 gets the same performance as Strix 880M while using HALF the power)
Only thing i'm interested in at this point is overall power efficiency and battery duration. I still have my X1 Carbon 5 generation i got around 2018 with no need to upgrade. As of right now there is a T14s generation 4 AMD and T14s generation 6 Snapdragon i'm interested in but Snapdragon still fairly new and doubtful of Linux support
Max, please, do a video comparison for anti-reflective coating quality between various Mac/windows laptops you have access to. The problem is that glossy screens hardly usable when working with text unless they have proper anti reflective coating. It's especially relevant nowadays, when dark mode supported in most of the apps, and even macOS/Windows support it now. When you use dark mode app with text (source code, web page, article, spreadsheet data) and your screen just cheap glossy, you see a mix of text and reflections, just a mess...
If you are working indoors, you won't have a problem with the Surface Laptop. The Surface Pro 11 screen blows them all out though. Just make sure to buy it with that OLED screen.
It's so funny that when Apple released their XDR Pro display with glossy finish, all Apple fans drooled over the glossy model, but now it's a fight between a Microsoft glossy and an Apple anti-reflective, we're back at glossy being useless. Don't you guys have any standards?!
@williamcopeland2617 , just making screen brighter isn't really good solution, since too bright screen is uncomfortable for the eyes and not recommended health-wise. Plus it would eat laptop battery faster. Also, OLEDs aren't great for everyone - they have PWM flickering, and some people sensitive to it, even to ~1400hz screen pwm. Some windows glossy laptops do have proper anti reflective coating. But really a few.
Simple. Don't use dark mode. Problem solved. I completely do not understand why people code hours on end with a mirror on their face and use a dark theme and make things even worse.
I have Windows laptop at work with glossy screen without proper anti reflective coating, and reflections are quite noticeable even with light themes. It's still relevant issue.
Thank you VERY much for this, best comparison yet, and actually this is the only in-depth look at the Surface Laptop 6 for Business on the web anywhere yet. I'll get a Laptop 6 next week, bc the SL7 is unfortunately not sold to business yet - so this was especially helpful for me. Ofc I would have loved to get the 7, now even more than before ...
The surface 7 has a larger battery (and higher refresh rate, though it's variable don't know if that saved some power in these tasks). You can never compare business laptops to consumer laptops price-wise, because of service/support, most windows laptops cost the same as their qualcom competitors at launch. Interested to see lunar lake/strix comparisons and next gen qualcom chip, since this one was intended to be for servers.
The x elite really lived up to the hype. Hopefully they sell enough for ARM to become the lead developement platform. Its already good through Prism but would be awesome when everything runs natively on ARM. My samsung galaxy book 4 edge runs apple smooth. I also left it in sleep mode for a few days. Was good to go a second after opening the lid and had only lost a few percent battery. The second gen would benefit from a big graphics upgrade but tbh its not really essential for this type of device as i doubt anyone buys a thin and light to game.
I have been looking for a performance test between these two laptops. Thanks for doing this. MS must improve the x86 emulation mode and push developers to develop for ARM and the buyers will come. The buyers are actually biting at the bit.
also that cinebench score makes no sense what was the average power consumotion and clockspeed of that intel cpu because no wat is that cpu scoring 550 at 50w you can get that score with amd 8840u running at 16w,please check that
The elite x just needs qualcomm/windows firmware and software updates and app optimizing to make it a strong competitor to apple. to at least make it good enough. Next gen should be a blast.
I had to make this decision last week, between the Intel and ARM. I chose the Intel due to software compatibility. MUST check if the software you use has ARM versions. Too many apps I use (esp. VPNs) don't work on the ARM chip. Speed doesn't matter if your app doesn't work.
The GPU on the X Elite 84 should compare equally with the Intel. It has 4.6 tflops compared to 3.6 tflops on the surface X Elite. Try with Samsung book edge let's see
After this review I finished my coffee, and got myself a new toy. The keyboard is extraordinary, bit clicky, but this 15 inch screen is good, the battery life so far.... 6% drain. On that note, take a look at the bezels, on the 15" it is really visible. So long for now to Apple, but they will respond in the fall. For now this device cost me 2k including taxes (Canadian), yes I bought the cheapest one and the 1TB drive update is already on its way. Let's see how replaceable it is.
This is the first gen chip, Qualcomm make great GPUs for smartphones (leading GPU In any phone chip). I'm sure we will see significant improvements in terms of GPU performance in upcoming versions.
0:31 it should be 512 GB for the intel model, not 5216.
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One weakness of all Windows on Arm systems: device drivers. If you depend on some unusual peripheral, the odds are it won't work. Drivers MUST be native; emulation isn't supported. That's going to kill the prospects for Arm in a lot of vertical markets.
Well done to qualcom for a first gen on PC. Maybe intel did not say his last word wait for the next gen. I hope you will compare X elite vs next gen intel and Amd
That was my biggest frustration with windows laptops was battery life and resolution compared to macbook air 15. I am definitely buying the snapdragon laptops as the battery life is way better now.
the only thing that Microsoft needs to do are completely push the app developer to improve on arm chips. so people will consider arm and maybe new manufacturer such as Samsung and mediatek will also joining in in arm PC based CPU market.
I don't like the fact that at least a few saying its the end of x86 even if ARM chips are catching up in performance especially when running on Windows. I mean don't get me wrong, this is interesting to see a ARM based chipset catch up to a x86 platform chip with better efficiency but x86 have been too dominant in the computer market for a while, you can't just wish it to end overnight.
Meteor lake doesn't matter much anymore. Lunar lake is coming. And amd strix point is launching next month. X elite losing to competition within a couple months of launching will not be a good look.
Yes, you are correct that Intel powered laptops come with the "Intel Tax" which places them often considerably more expensive than either AMD or Qualcomm although Mac laptops are outrageously priced way beyond any other manufacture. The new Ai APU from AMD is hitting the market of late and I would like to see their best compared to Qualcomm's best.....Please.....
Is there anything stopping Qualcomm from hooking up an nVIDIA or AMD GPU to the processor over PCIe? Also, what if there was a HW accelerated x86 translation layer, allowing x86 programs to run (as far as the program is concerned) natively? Like it would sit on the data bus in between the CPU and everything else, allowing ARM instructions through but stopping x86 instructions and translating them into a series of ARM instructions. I know there are a lot more complexities, like registers, and extensions, but if possible, I think it would be worth looking into. But I may be wrong. I'm not a computer scientist.
Great video! Just I find Speedometer quite inconsistent. I got 25 points on my work laptop with i7-1365u in incognito mode. And this is older generation than Intel machine in this test with only 20 points.
Gotta think like the regular user. Finally they can get a windows PC without the bullshit that intel have been throwing them. Intel played dirty. Didnt capitalise. Now ARM catches up and delivers. Talk ahout GPU all you want. Most of the people I know arent gaming, rendering in blender or anything like that.
x86 still has the entire software backlog ARM simply doesn't have. People won't care about the CPU they're using UNTIL half their apps outright don't work or run like garbage because they require emulation.
Which one is faster for numerical calculations or simulations: Snapdragon X Plus, Intel Core Ultra 7, or Snapdragon X Elite? Which would be a better choice for a computational biologist? @MaxTechOfficial
Thanks so much for this comparison! I’m a Win user and it looks like X Elite is a no brainer for an education user with a return policy in case I can’t get a critical app working.
Your graph and audio don't match the SSD benchmark that is shown on the screen. On the screen it says that the Intel SSD was clearly faster than the ARM one.
Which one is faster in case of Numerical calculation or Simulations .. Snapdragon X plus, intel Core Ultra 7 or snapdragon X elite... ? Which one will be the better Choice for a Computational Biologists. ??
you mentioned frequencies of 802.11ac for processor clock. arm is efficient for non-native area.sss and lose to native CISC area.sss is legit and expected. outer cores should guard against crosstalk of WiFi and other emissions. inner cores should be within one-order of magnitude of outer cores.
windows hibernates at 2% because thats set as the default critical battery percentage. it does this to go to hibernation before the power gets too low so that an unexpected shutdown doesnt happen and your work doesnt get lost
Considering I managed to get a laptop with Ultra 7 155H for just $800 I'd consider it much more worth it in any case (I ordered a Xiaomi Redmibook Pro 16 2024 straight from China). And I know it's an unfair comparison because my laptop is quite bigger, but it's crazy to see a processor that's supposed to be better (165H) have actually worse performance than a slightly lower end one (155H). I don't even know why they tried putting a more powerful chip into a smaller laptop, it simply can't dissipate all that heat...
It's impressive for ARM chip but i'm going to choose the Intel One. If all apps are optimized for ARM, i'll be changing my opinion. Lunar Lake & Zen 5 are going to be monsters
bro if you want the best performance go to edit battery plan and make the min processing power to 100 plugged in and out and also for the max processing power. this gives you a much bigger porformance boost
This is true, I do the opposite (set to 95 max) in order to avoid overheating on my 2019 laptop. But let’s be honest it’s such a pain in the ass that we even have to tinker with these settings in the first place.
Microsoft overpriced their laptops and for some reason, laptops manufacturers always include around 45 WH battery capacity on x86 laptops. I’m not sure why, but with competition ramping up, it looks like this is bound to change. Thanks for pointing out the build quality on the Intel laptop vs snapdragon, it kinda proved what I was thinking. Looking forward to AMD AI and Intels Lunar Lake CPU’s. It’s about time they looking more into mobility and providing that all day battery life that MacBook offers.
@@riceflakes498 look up the deal Microsoft made with Qualcomm back in 2016, rumors are it’s set to expire at the end of the year. This is why you only have Qualcomm releasing ARM processors for Windows’s
What bugs me is that everybody tests against Intel because they are available. While we know for some time now that current and previous gen Intel CPUs suck for mobile with both performance and power efficiency. Now if only AMD were using something like an Ryzen 7840U, that would be an interesting comparison ....
There is quite a lot of things discusses in this video that are unfair or misunderstood. You should not compare the temperature of the CPU cores under load. different CPUs are designed to operate at different temperatures before they throttle. Snapdragon running at 96c instead of 102 does not mean that the CPU is more efficient. The fan noise also does not have to do with the CPU. If the fan noise sounds different on the intel system its not caused by the CPU. The 5Ghz advertised by Intel is boost clocks. it means that they will run at that speed for short bursts to speed up tasks that are CPU intensive but for a limited duration, like starting an application or rendering a web page in your browser. When under sustained load, especially on all cores, the CPU is not supposed to run at high clock rates. That is normal. You also cannot compare clock speed directly as IPC is generally more important than clock speed.
microsoft needs to stop playing with stupid designs like the surface duo and do a proper good android phone with full compatibility with windows machines, they would create the perfect ecosystem to compete with apple
Due to these reviews and performance of the qualcomm machines, intel and AMD may switch to ARM as well. I don't think they can catch up to effiency in the laptop market. Software side will adjust to ARM very quickly if people buy ARM windows machines Good job qualcomm, very good news for consumer.
If they did on the same way like Apple, than maybe, but they choosed the hard way, and that can actually fail the whole ARM transition.. Don't forget Apple completly stopped to use x86 after the M1 released, so develipers didn't have any reason to not upgrade to ARM if they planed to stay in the app store.. but Microsoft just splited the market, and why do you think the developers will happily work for the 5% market share and ignore the 95% of the avaliable users..? They get their renevue based on the reacheable users, and ARM based Windows can't offer any promising market share.. without ARM apps users will not change from x86, if the users stick with x86 developers have less reason to update their app to ARM.. (so can be the same endig like Windows Phone, where the users are leaved the platform because of the empty app store.. when the social network apps released after 3 year, there was noone who use them, because they are bought a new none Windows Phone device what had the basic apps..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4st they can’t just force everyone to move to arm like Apple can. They don’t own all computers out there. While Apple only has like 5 options and they own all of them. Arm will get more popular as people will decide what they prefer. For people like me, the efficiency and snappiness of arm makes me wanna pick it over x86
@@TamasKiss-yk4stARM is the entire billions of smartphones, Apple now and some windows machines. How would it be hard to code for it? It doesn’t and as soon as the compilers for windows are optimized for arm it will take off fast.
