Intel is in serious trouble. ARM is the Future. 

Came here to say this!

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This was recommended to me as a call to the conference. I'm here guys.

Haha.. yup fun fact.. Arm still an arm length away while AMD is now the go to company as the leader in Laptop cpu performance

@@dinhscot amd still doesn't have the scalability. and 1st gen ARM Macs aren't released we can't even know its performance relative to zen3.

But intel is shipping 10nm cpus since half a year now. All the 11th gen laptop cpus.

@@anonymouscommentator he was referring to 2019 this video was posted in 2018

​@@anonymouscommentator now its getting ugky

Moore's law, it's not hard to predict...

As soon as china takes over taiwan, game over for amd nvidia apple qualcomm

so much relevant xdd

So true.

Next big thing? This is not news, it has been well known for a long time

@@rep3e4 stfu gay fanboi

It only makes sense. Apple produces mobile devices. So a low power architecture makes more sense for them. Apple doesn't really make stuff for desktop, servers, etc. It barely has a share in the laptop market. x86 is for performance at the expense of power effiency. That doesn't work for a company the specializes in mobile devices and wants their own software to work seamlessly across all devices.

No one - why would anyone be here after WWDC? That is ridiculous - people watching a video made 18 months ago, ridiculous, just ridiculous.

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@@Locutus goodness me youre pissed aren't ya.

I thought it was about Apple's recent announcement until I heard something like "Intel and AMD have announced for 2019". But the iPad Pro was already a hint that Apple might go the same direction with their other computers.

I am

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i did ARM report couple year ago...

Apple is less than 7% of Intel's business, RIP Apple they just committed suicide in the PC space, not that they were ever relevant to begin with.

@@nocturnal101ravenous6 the PC space is as irrelevant to the whole electronics market, than apple is to the pc space, so what are you on about?

@@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 That is funny almost cute and ridiculous.

@XXX XXX well your statement was fine until you said Intel, most people these days go either 3900x/3950x or threadripper for content creation. Intel is falling behind because of their fan woes. I will probably say most video production is switching to NVidia GPUs for the RTX features as the production time got cut drastically from traditional server stations, time is money and Apple is offering very little in that regard.

@XXX XXX well TBH after the apple 2 and the Lisa they were basically on a downhill slide.

Which model do you have ? If you have the 3th and 4th model you have the power of an Intel core i7 7700 cpu (or the power of my gaming PC)

Enzo Nightcore and stuff I have the 3rd gen

I own the 2016 iPad Pro 9.7 and races in circles around my i5 8 series U Ultrabook when it comes to video handling and other CPU intensive tasks. ARM is the future when we think that PowerPC CPUs are also ARM based and were beast in their time.

wrong.. problenm with ARM is it low power usage itself.. when draw more power.. it heat up so high and due to it small size... it hard to keep cool.. alot of people try to work around it.. but in order to used ARM for Macbook.. apple had to produce a bigger size but you go back to problem with multi task... you going to had a lot of bug since ARM can not deal with high power program...

@@campkira Incorrect, every single review of the Air mentions that it doesn't heat up even close to as much as the Intel models did and the Pro models are almost completely silent due to the fan only rarely having to spin up.

If the search bar even works 😂

Index your drives and folders. It does wonders

@@hex8387 it was indexed

@@hex8387 its to even open up de search. once the bar in functioning the search goes good

@@harpyproductions6771 I have mine set to index most of the folders in the C drive (excluding programs folders, windows and other system stuff) and my D drive which i use for files. For me that's all i need, and it works perfectly (after it finishes the index)

Nope, it's Huawei's Kunpeng 920

Amd is ryzen so fast they threadripped intel's lunch money and strongarmed snapdragon

It's AMD for now, next year it will be ARM. Just wait until Apple announces the ARM MacBook.

@@lordswaggity1213 how will I run non-arm applications

Fuck huawei. I will never knowingly purchase their spyware.

Right? I knew it was coming EVENTUALLY, but I didn't expect something like this so soon. And as everyone knows, once Apple does something it'll be industry-wide within two years. This is honestly great, the pressure from both Apple and Microsoft will basically force everyone to make ARM-native software or be left behind. And within the decade we'll be gaming on our 512 core laptops... I can hope, right?

Well lets see what will happen..

@@kuramauchiha3217 This explains why the i5-10600k is cheaper then I expected (yes I bought one and I am happy)

Check market share of apple devices in desktops, laptops, servers and realize what BS you just said.

@@ndrsg3013 gay

Trouble? How many macs to lose market sharr?

Apple gonna switch in a few years to their own custom develop ARM

Until we all work for Amazon.

jajaja. you can only innovate till certain point. no reason to praise innovation so hard. life is good anyway.

Competition to satisfy consumers? Nah mate, what if people wanted something that regress progress? Competition for legacy is something else

Well, if you may stop thinking about power saving on a desktop. So, ARM chips can be much faster.

ARMs dealers.

Great pun! 😂👍💋

Fullsilicon Alchemist

an ARM and a Thread..

At least they can get an ARM on the cheaper side. Legs come at a great expense.

beaten me to it but it is an Arm.

But Intel i9 its New and more expensive :V

Yes just add chipsets btw

Intel has never innovated. Did you know the 64 bit instruction set for Intel chips was created by AMD?

Pieter Kock Oh man. I bought an i7 computer and I bet you too are really mad Intel is decreasing performance and hyper threading. I heard performance can be decreased by as much as 50%

fuzzywzhe Yeah I regret buying an Intel i7 8750h Laptop. I should’ve bought AMD. :(

And with those 4 sentences you can see why Apple is king.

While I'm not an Apple fan, primarily because of their software more than their hardware, I will say that they tend to be very good at reading the market and both pushing the market in be directions, as well as they tend to be great at choosing tht moment to adopt be technology. But that doesn't mean they are always right, because they introduce new things that become a fad, only to be replaced, even by Apple themselves. In this case I think Apple is seeing the direction of the market, as well as having the forethought to make the move. But also, importantly, Apple has the freedom to make the change, they aren't beholden to anyone else, they can dictate the hardware and the software. Whereas Microsoft, and hardware makers, and software makers, all have to work together in concert, and all of them are going to have to be on board for the change. That's where Apple leading the market will help though, as hardware and software companies will have to work with Microsoft to adopt ARM, and they'll have incentive to at least meet Apple's offerings. But all of this looks bad for Intel, since they aren't really moving forward, just trying to hang on.

@@andmicbro1 there's recently new development with open source risc-v and joint cooperation with linux distributors, google, microsoft, and many others are jumping onboard so they can all have easy to access, easy to customize hardware architecture without worrying about royalties from patents...a thing that apple's current business plan relies on

aboud alaboud intel just like Nvidea gets away with murder because the competition havent been able to outgun them.. when it comes to raw performance.. its very annoying.

@@b3at2 pretty much. ive read somewhere that the sole reason for amd to even exists at all is because of monopoly laws in america and back in the day intel almost had one

Agree 💯💯

I wouldn't say there's "nothing magical about the architecture." When you're talking about cores at these speeds, complexity is your enemy. It means more space on the chip and more clock skew and latency to overcome. The x86 is still a bigger design to implement and debug even if there are advantages to its more complex instructions (which have now exploded into a giant mess). Also, I'm not sure whether to regard the current x86 chips as RISC since the coder interface is definitely CISC (with some secret exceptions). How a CISC chip executes those instructions doesn't seem like the dominant factor to me. I mean, microcode is a similar concept. I still think the leanest architecture is going to have an advantage as we push the limits of the traditional CPU.

If you view this as a "desktop" CPU (or workstation) vs mobile (tablet, phone) CPU, ARM does have that "magic" power efficiency. It is not really magic - it is simply way more power efficient. Performance is improving with both, sort of, yet power efficiency is not improving enough for "x86".

Hmmm. I don't think my points are quite registering. Ok, lets take two examples. The first example is just an example of why instruction compactness is important. Consider the very narrow line of thought articulated above which opins that the CISC decoder the micro-ops cache eats more energy than a RISC decoder (which is simpler). (Even RISC cpus don't map instruction bits directly to internal logic, by the way). Even not knowing how much energy the decoder actually eats, the argument is lost due to its narrow focus. You must also consider the case of instruction compactness as well as other pipeline optimizations. But just taking compactness... compact instructions reduce the number of external DRAM accesses the CPU has to make. How much energy does an external memory cycle take compared to a L1 or L2 cache access? Quite a lot, actually. So you can't just assume that a cpu eats more energy because it has a more complex decoder. The second example is more pragmatic... I don't know if any of you have ever played with or built projects with, say, a Raspberry Pi. I've done a few, including one quite recently with a Pi 2. The behavior basically works like this: The cpu is cool to the touch when its idle, pulling around 1.1W (without going into full sleep). That's great. Now what about when its loaded? Well, at full load, that CPU is eating around 2.1W and has around 1/10 the performance (core-to-core) of a low-end Intel desktop core. We'll ignore e.g. peripherals like cameras (which typically eat around 250mW while active). So what happens when you need actual computing power out of an ARM cpu? Say you are running photo manipulation software or your are massaging a video stream to look for things like motion or filter out noise. Well... it depends how much computing power you need, right? The 'trick' is that I.O.T. projects just don't need a whole lot of cpu... it works great until you actually need to do real processing of something, like an image or video stream, because at that point you are using 100% of at least one ARM core for however long it takes to do the specific processing that you need to do. What about a current Intel 'J' or 'N' part? E.g. a Braswell ultra-low power SOC such as you might find in a SolidRun device. Minimum power consumption of an Intel mobile 'U' part without going into full sleep... is around 1.5W. And full power consumption stacks in at around 5W at 1.6 GHz or so. On the face of it you might say 'well, the Intel part burns twice the power as the ARM chip at full load'. But that isn't the whole story because that Braswell chip is at least 3x more powerful under full load than the CPU in the Pi 2 (for example). And it gets even better when you load up more than one core. So two Pi 2 ARM cores verses two Braswell cores... the Braswell cpu has about 5x the performance. It's actually more power efficient than the ARM at that point. ARM isn't a bad cpu... it is *THE* go-to CPU for low-power applications, but the reason for that has little to do with the architecture itself and a lot to do with the SOC around the CPU being designed specifically for low-power, low-performance operation and the low-cost of the CPU due to having multiple vendors producing ARM-based chips. Intel, as a monopoly, cannot compete against ARM on cost. Nor would Intel want to, because Intel has decided that they want to focus on areas that have higher margins. These are business decisions, *NOT* core cpu architectural issues. Simple as that. We can go further and look at more powerful ARM designs, such as Apple's chips. Or, say, the ARM SOC in a modern Samsung Android phone. Those devices are pulling a hell of a lot more than 2W at full load, and you can readily tell just by holding the device in your hand while doing something that eats CPU like playing a game. At full load, those devices will still be fairly close to having the same performance efficiency as an Intel part. Where they shine (in terms of power consumption) is when they are mostly idle. Intel isn't a replacement for those chips because while Intel has made progress reducing power consumption at idle, it just isn't comprehensive enough yet to translate into truly low-power operation (when mostly idle). That has nothing to do with the CPU architecture. -Matt

1) It is superscalAr not superscalEr, 2) what you're talking about refers to out-of-order not just superscalar (no in-order superscalar core can digest 200 instructions at a time), 3) code density difference between x86-64 and Aarch64 is minor (~15-20%), 4) add the fact that x86 needs extra uOp caches and any code density benefits are lost in noise, 5) you should know that Apple's A12 ARM processors can decode up to 6 instructions per clock as compared to 5 instructions per clock in Coffee Lake; in many ways A12 is just as wide or even wider core than Intel's recent CPUs, 6) in fact Coffee Lake can decode up to max 16 bytes of x86 instructions at a time; considering that largest x86 instructions are up to 15 bytes long that could just as well mean only 1 decoded instruction per clock in worst case, 7) also Apple's A12 is way more energy efficient compared to x86 (it is closing up to Intel wrt. performance, but power efficiency is way better) 8) ARM's explicit atomic operations are a very valid and smart trade-off - they provide energy savings and performance improvements at the cost of some extra instructions (Intel is wasting energy and time to provide a stronger memory guarantees at all times even when they are not required whereas ARM makes that explicit and saves energy when not needed), 8) the rest is true: there's nothing magical about ARM architecture, I agree.

So does mac software. It is based in unix and was originally designed for risc in the first place and adapted for x86 in 2006.

@say what? it shouldn't be though. Linux runs the world.

Yes Linux runs world as most servers run on it even my web servers run on it and Linux is the future and as it is giving OS for all bit it just need some app developers and users for making full and .... Other wise also it is cool as most use Linux websites unknowly....so they are using Linux and Android are basically on Linux kernel and Apple is also on it ....

@say what? I'm an illustrator and work entirely in Linux. My career has been made on it, there's really no excuse for professionals to use anything else.

@@davidlewisjohnson4235 can I ask what software do you use? (this is a 100% honest question and no trolling, I'm personally stuck with Adobe Photoshop :-( )

To a degree I think AMD will catch up in mobile processors & GPU's after all they created the Adreno GPU's to begin with! BTW NAVI is designed not only to be great on consoles but can scale up to Desktop & Server Grade Workstations as well as scale down to Mobile Devices and at least in theory Ryzen can scale down to fit a mobile device like a phone or tablet but the OS would need to support the more traditional CPU but that is not a bad thing as ARM is a very simple design made to do one or two jobs at once max but needs constant user input for it too keep working while a more traditional style cpu can handle not only dozens of tasks but very complex ones with little to no user input required what I think will happen is a kind of Fusion between ARM & Desktop style CPU's in the future anyone that thinks ARM by itself is king is delusional yes it has it place and purpose but it does not mean it is better or worse then the others!

Let's hope RISC-V gets the support it needs from the big names to overtake ARM :)

@Dex4Sure The main edges that Risc-V has over ARM are that it's open-source and free of licenses and royalties. It does not mean that the chips themselves will perform better but Risc-V replacing ARM as the go-to low-power processor architecture in the future would be beneficial to pretty much everyone except, you guessed it, ARM. We probably won't be seeing widespread use of Risc-V in smartphones for a while though. My guess is that it's probably going to happen in the embedded/IoT industry first, which has a much less mature market and one where ARM doesn't have the same strong foothold.

From low-end to high-end the order these days is something like: 1. RISC-V 2. ARM 3. x86 4. POWER SPARC and IA64 are practically dead at this point in time.

@@koerel it's great on paper..but we need to rewrite the whole OS to compatible with the chips

Interesting comment on how ARM doesn't boost clocks. I guess its more efficient to have a core designed for lower clock speed/performance and switch to a higher clocked less efficient core when needed. The selection of transistor type is important, a slow core can have transistors that have less leakage, transistors optimised for speed leak more. A boosted core has to choose which type of transistor and stick with it. That duplication of cores is wasteful of silicon perhaps, but that's the whole design ethos in the mobile space. How much of the silicon area on a mobile SOC is unpowered at any one time? The Intel Idea is to use as many transistors as possible to make things fast, extract parallelism through super-scaler designs and do as much as possible simultaneously. That's an old way of thinking from when silicon real estate was expensive. With cheap silicon, you can afford to have a h.265 encoder that almost never gets used, but when needed works better and uses much less Watts than an i7 trying to do the same thing in software. Software inertia will determine how soon the switch to ARM happens. When the first ARM2s arrived in 1987 in the Archimedes it was the fastest microprocessor in the world. That 8 Mhz ARM2 was about twice the power of 20Mhz '386. Those '386 processors were stuck running 16 bit software until Windows 95, 8 years later! I suspect software support for Windows ARM won't take that long. Back in the 80's programs would have chunks of hand coded '86 assembler to get those 8088 PCs to perform. Today the stalling factor will be the various libraries and frameworks getting converted to ARM. I love the idea that ARM support is a simple configuration option in Visual Studio.If only things were that simple! The big reason is cost, ARMs get built cheaper. Silicon foundries do what they do best and produce chips. ARM does what is does beast and designs architecture. It competes with Apple, Qualcomm and more to design cores which keeps everyone honest. Device manufacturers can pick and choose cores, caches, GPU etc. This competition keeps prices low. ARM claims 100 billion chips shipped, the mobile space is about 20 billion, economies of scale.

You not only know more than Coreteks, but seem to know more than me too. Perhaps you should make your own channel; it may be higher quality.

@@happysmash27 I would rather write a blog or something. I'm not very well spoken and needing to put in jump cuts all over the place is too damn much work. Also: too many topics I would want to cover, I wouldn't know where to start. And my main fear is making mistakes. Someone can call me out in comments and I can just add an "EDIT: I was wrong in X, it should be Y" but in video that would stick around, spreading more misinformation if they don't watch for my comment with corrections. I like how video makes information more digestible, but couldn't handle it myself I think. Also: time is short. My education needs my attention a bit more. Maybe once I finish my degree.

​@@CommandLineCowboy I would really like to separate the ISA from the micro architecture. Saying one CPU, especially in the olden days where they had less specific instructions for things like SIMD, has a more efficient design is more often because of the design than the ISA. Especially RISC, because there is nothing to accelerate if you stay within RISC. The Archimedes had a better designed processor, they made some good design choices and reaped the benefits for it. Many of those beneficial design decisions would work just as well with other ISAs especially since microcode became so efficient we could ignore it and say for all intents and purposes X86 CPUs are RISC and have the same advantages because of it. The Windows Store encourages to use .NET bytecode, which can be JIT compiled on anything MS ported .NET to, which currently is both ARM and X86/AMD64. That's why most the catalogue of the MS Store works "native"-ish on ARM. It's like Java in that sense, though not quite as cross platform because it's just Windows. JIT is the way to go IMO (not for high performance though). With Web Assembly around the corner I can foresee this will become a lot more common in all sorts of applications that work on any platform (ARM, X86, Windows, Mac, Linux etc.). The more prevalent that becomes, the closer we are to switching to any ISA other than X86.

Great comment, sir, you are very knowledgeable.

*RISC

Oniruddho Alam thank you! I’ll fix that

@@leebee1100 You are welcome.

just appreciate the beat! lol

I was thinking the same thing. It makes it kind of tough to listen to when it is booming in my headphones.

haha

I agree, my subwoofer is making my table vibrate

Imagine if he said "FUS RO DAH"

What about Fallout 76

GameMaker 3_5 no system can run that buggy mess.

dude, everything just works.

Yes, the 32bit exe are work in arm laptop, 720p 30fps with low-medium graphics. If the future games will support arm the next crysis can run on arm fine.

Latest Snapdragon or kirin or exynos chipset will take care of it. And battery efficiency is beyond Intel chipset.

well as their markets are totally different why would they compete?

well how is amd going to survive this? with more cores?

thank you everyone ill be here all week.

@@worm6820 GET OFF THE STAGE!!

@@iladelproductions8820 no

Exactly, AVX is more like VLIW than RISC anyawy.

@@hjembrentkent6181 AVX is SIMD. Not VLIW.

Klatschmaul so you claim

He even got the 24 months right

Sing it like 6ix9ine. A eh after every stanza

The thing will be will ARM be able to get quicker chips than Intel? Intel still is quicker than AMD so they still have the advantage on programs that prefer speed and only can take advantage of 4 cores. Now for higher core counts than 6 AMD is better and for low power ARM is best ... right now. My main example is IF you want a 1.5Watt chip that can do CPU, GPU and networking go with a ARM processor but if you want a high speed low core count chip that can most likely handle as much local system RAM as you need go with Intel but if you need a high core count on a budget go with AMD.

I see ARM is everywhere right?

@@Jumptohistory Yep in all the Android phones. Android uses ARM in their distro for phones. Windows is better than Android for desktop so x86 is more supported thus better... until someone makes stuff cross compatible with another instruction set run as good or better with x86.

@@mkg2002 For AMD for the current gen it is capped at 4.0GHz ~ 4.2GHz due to the low power fab node they used. So Intel has a higher frequency which some programs like more than cores. AMD CPUs have more cores so programs that can use more than 4 CPU cores then AMD is most likely better as they have more choices for 6+ core CPUs than Intel even though at lower frequency. So AMD for core count but Intel for frequency. AMD Ryzen 3000 series is not out yet so i do not know. They claim that they can go over 5GHz but as it is not a product yet i do not know if it can or can't. Intel on everyday OCs has a higher frequency than AMD. AMD can hit a higher one but NO2 is not a thing that is able to be used by most people. NO2 is also not a way that even extreme overclockers do for very long. So liquid cooling is more often used for long periods of over clocks that need more than just air or cannot use air cooling for whatever reason. AMD having a chip that can go faster than Intel is true and AMD having a chip with a higher multi-core score is true but for Threadripper it really does not have a Intel equivalent right now in terms of core count unless you use a Xeon. AMD was smart to do so. AMD is not dumb when it makes chips Intel is not either ... i think... i hope. For what chips are comparable i guess would be Ryzen 3 5 and 7 to i3 5 and 7 then Xeon to Eypc. Then it depends on the program for which is better. I am glad we got back to the " it depnds" thing in the market so Intel is not the clear winner over everyone on desktop x86 anymore.

I really hope so. Having an open source alternative at the ISA and high-level architecture is inevitable to prevent a future ARM control of the IT market.

@@quantumbubbles2106 The only problem is that markets like this tend to gravitate towards a single industry standard and will likely follow the path of least resistance to do so.

It seems dead

RISC-V is definitely a great choice for custom systems. I'm not sure if it's a good choice for a standard for computers that want a standard way of programming. If instructions are alacarte then programers can't know what they're able to use and not use. Though I suppose the solution is to make a base standard model of features and instructions for desktop and laptops, then for customs things like billboards and image processing can be alacarte for only what's necessary.

@@acaperic359 RISC-V started on 2010, ARM started at 1983

He doesn't believe in audio, just digital.

Hence Microsoft Azure Sphere

I didn't understand what you said, but I share your enthusiasm.

@@Ghost_PM11 lol

@say what? Don't forget C#. Basically, once the architecture and compilers are updated, code that runs on a Virtual Machine can be easily executed with minimal fuss to everywhere the Virtual machine has been ported to. The overhead of instructions for the virtual code (and it's limitations) are getting less and less important the more powerful the hardware is.

Virtual Machine and scripting languages will never beat the PC. Never ever.

Who makes the X86 chip?

@@thehumanchannel9004 Intel and AMD. x86 is the instruction set their processors use. If you look at ARM and Intel/AMD assembly code you will see it's extremely different. Also because x86 is a CISC architecture it has more instructions to work with than RISC based ARM. The negative of x86 is it's more power hungry.

In regards to software and single threaded performance, he did address that when he was talking about software compatibility. A lot of the poor x86 performance is to do with people coding for single thread CPUs and not parallel. The push for arm compatible software (which is shown in this video) has a lot to do with a push for parallel coding.

@@AdamSmith-gs2dv there are others not many but others.

@@termiguin1 optimization could be done straight forward enough with a more realistic GPU then what is currently used in most arm devices.

Low end market? how is intel relevant there while AMD being a thing?

@@PhilfreezeCH Western Digital may start selling products with RISC-V in 2019. I don't know if it will be under the brand name Western Digital or SanDisk. Look at the member list of RISC-V (riscv.org/membership/). All this companies want to stop paying ARM. ARM didn't create a FUD website against RISC-V for fun. They know RISC-V is going to eat there market share.

@@deathprofessorheisenberg6861 AMD can't make enough chips so it doesn't matter if it's chips are better.

​@@eladbar if AMD can't make enough chips during 2019, ARM won't be able to either. they literally use the same fabs and intel can't make enough chips to satisfy current demand anyway. amd has also never actually had an issue supplying enough chips, that I know of... Intel would certainly disagree on that though

How does MIPS compare to ARM? I hear its even more efficient.

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Yes, I'm sorry to say, I could not stand the VOICE!!! I lasted 7 minutes

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That's fair, what I should have said is that ARM can run those games in the way that the switch or the shield can run demanding games. My bad for not explaning correctly

​@@Coreteks 10 seconds away. ARM already supports PCIe on many devices and has full arm64 libraries on many distros. ZorinOS - Ubuntu - and All of Debian, so Fedora and RED HAT. As a normal arm cpu now pulls 6ghz around the cores - and that's a $35 pi3+ On suitable distro's even with x86 transcoding we are on short breath from running AAA as well as Everything else on the entire planet. ARM has won - just because (the Tiny minority) of dust-box gamers think their 30year old junk is the shits... Doesn't reflect the market. ARM are the ONLY cpu manufacturer on earth by %age. No other chips are made at all. The only outward sign left, is to watch ARM dominate all the sliver-market 'new' pc's too... and they are still on lazy dies and soft silicon. What would happen if they went Posh? Cos I can build a 50ghz cluster for the price of One intel chip - that's much slower... right now.

The Switch

@@Coreteks Running them locally doesn't really matter - my nvidia shield just benchmarked out hl2:lost coast at 240fps at 1080p and 177fps at 4k.. moving to a streaming solution like geforce now is the way of the future for gaming. - A local chip just has to run office / productivity apps

@@SignalChange If Geforce/PlayStation/Whatever Now is the future, then the future is a good time to explore new hobbies. Youre daft if you believe these platforms are going to influence the majority of the planet with our infrastructure. Its easy when you live in a silicon city, or capital to see the world narcissistically, but data isn't so cheap and plentiful that people are willing to give up local power for the cloud. Not until that convenience performs in parallel, on demand, invisibly will it be adopted mainstream.

This didn't aged well, until Huawei gets banned again.

Before intel they used IBM power pc chips, and they are RISC chips.

Well if they're doing the same operations optimised for the architecture then it's kinda apples to apples no?

come on dude, you shouldn't care about those 600 superficial ignorants

If nobody hates you, you're doing something wrong

Don't worry about that Video was informative and well put together . I can't say I saw a lot of videos about ARM but slowly people are picking up whats going on Maybe I should give you a dislike to toughen you up a bit ;) ?

@Hippolyte Barraud Thanks for the feedback. I disagree, Microsoft's move to ARM will help with bloatware in the sense OEM products can be cheaper and therefore they don't need to add as much bloatware to a few extra dollars. And the extensions to the IS do make it more similar to RISC and also more bloated and reliant on more transister switching (which prevents it from being as efficient). To me at least, there's valid logic to it. You can disagree, but it's not misinformation.

@dylan522p Thanks for the feedback. Bias towards who, ARM?

@@PhilfreezeCH i hope intel/amd diches x86 for RISC-V . Wounder if HISC-V native apps would be cross-compatible with ARM? Or at least have better emulation...

Why not a handheld device in risc-v?!

@@PhilfreezeCH But with the HiFive Unleashed it's already available less than a year after the architecture was finally standardised. Since you are in Switzerland I presume you are going to be at the RISC-V Workshop next year. I wish I could attend but I need to make myself more familiar with the architecture first anyway.

MIPS just went open source so keep them in mind too, they were big back in the day so we'll see what this awesome possible future competition might provide technology wise.

@@psychicist just read up on x86 and arm3 ... that's all you need to know.

Except now they're actually in serious trouble and are highly likely to lose billions

@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Spot on.

@Artem The GOAT Thats exactly what they said each of those previous times too.

@@MrManerd I'll bet you $30,000 dollars you're wrong

"no but now it's different i swear"

Not *quite* yet.... but soon enough.

@@timbeaton5045 Usually when Apple announced something like this it takes a couple of years before the previous platform is almost completely abandoned. I'm not a fan of this ARM transition and most likely I'll leave Mac platform once this happens.

@@NomadicDmitry They haven't gone from Macs yet, Apple still have Intel Macs coming out in the pipeline for probably another year, at least. They will not even ship an ARMac until later in the year....

Technically, they rendered themselves ARMless when they canceled their own ARM licenses/products two decades ago.

You're totally ignoring just how much hand-coded assembly there is in apps of the caliber of Photoshop. That isn't easily ported, but it can be re-written. I imagine the GUI work in Photoshop is more light-weight but the algorithms for things like content-aware fill and such are probably some low-level stuff with tons of SIMD optimization.

@@4.0.4 Why would the photo processing part be written in assembly? I get the SIMD part, but who in their right mind would even begin to think of writing complex image processing algorithms in assembly? Isn't that the exact reason why programming languages have abstraction?

^^ oh gosh... Thanks Andreas xx lets just ignore nonsense from people who have no idea what they are talking about. (and use ARM in every device in their entire life, every single day - but think their mates Gaming rig is a 'computer')

Rewriting in assembly may have helped in the ancient past, but these days you need a fairly specific situation for that to make sense. SIMD might be one, but the first place to look for speedups is in memory management. You can get 10% from rewriting in assembly, but 10x from getting your memory management right. So if PS is hand written in assembly, they're doing something seriously wrong, or they have exhausted every last bit of potential speedup there is. I quite doubt both actually.

@@AndreasStenmark "but the first place to look for speedups is in memory management" By any chance do you code in D?

I fully agree with you ARM IS NOT the future of desktop and server space im sorry ive been a server admin for half my life(I dont think it adds merit).Companies do not care about efficiency all they care about is performance performance performance and ARM has not even touched the surface what intel could do in the server space. lm sorry coreteks this video feels like an infomercial

@Karl Eslit I did say in the video: "for certain server workloads", and I even specified which. Conversily, for some workloads ARM won't make sense. And server companies do care about efficiency, in fact it's the number one factor for most types of datacenters.

@beezle1976 What's funny about how your wall of text comment is that if you had spend the same amout of time listening to the video that you did commenting you'd notice that the video addresses everything in your comment. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but at least pay attention to the video first.

this is not the first time qualcomm cpu brought to the consumer market for laptops my cousin bought the the asus novago tp370ql snapdragon 835 other than being super expensive and not meeting the price to performance to what an INTEL or AMD laptop can bring the only thing my cousin liked about it was it had a good battery life that was it laptop was 699. Refunded. 699 for a product that can barely run any heavy task. No get a ryzen 5 apu or I5 for less that price

Could you listen to the vid for a single second. Microsoft is pushing arm because they want oem's to start using it so they can maintain or improve their profit margins without having to sell laptops with bloat to make a profit and also so they can make the windows experience more streamlined like mac os

It's a RISC on Intel's future

Intel will have to spend an ARM and a leg to survive in the long term

I guess it's a RISC to reARM.

Nah ... ARM processor is hARMless. No need to worry about them.

This is going to cost intel an ARM and a leg.

they biy finished product sell lik apple silicon💩💩💩💩💩

That's a very good point

Such a business model still work for x86. Or prove me wrong.

Very good angle on this. Never really thought about renting iOS as a possibility but this certainly is plausible and potentially lucrative for Apple. It's a win win for both.

@@mindright9771 He said that Apple *effectively* rents iOS to it's own customers and Microsoft wants to copy that business model. They don't want to help Apple to reach even more customers.

@@SamGib Microsoft has most of the desktop market already. It wants the mobile device market and that means ARM based chipsets.

Yeah, it's very nice to be able to have popular distros for my arm computer. Trouble is still getting software that is compatible. (though, the software market it is getting better and better)

i have intel celeron T5500 with 1.5 gigs of ram on acer aspire 5580 it runs arcolinux smooth

Which distro?

@@FranAbenza Debian for example... I can provide you with whole list but I guess you do have an internet...

android

*ARMazing

People who talk about RICS and CISC have no idea what they are talking about. There are no RISC nor CISC processor anymore. Even ARM is not a RISC anymore.

Intel/AMD are not using RISC, but dynamic microcode with loosely coupled fetch, decode and execution units (via queues and buffers).Pretty different from RISC. Yes, some called this "RISC-translation" in the 1990s, for marketing purposes. They motivated it by superficial similarities in bit-level encoding between many RISCs and narrow microcode. However, being tightly pipelined, the 486, 586/Pentium and Cyrix 686 were actually more RISC-like than the K5, K6, P6, K7, K8, ... all the way up to the products of today.

@@RenamedChannel I pretty much agree with you, my understanding is that x86 is a CISC based instruction set, that has been tweaked over the years to be more like RISC. However, ARM is a RISC based instruction set that has been tweaked over the years to be more like CISC.

I just love these 'religious wars' regarding RISC and CISC.... Make for interesting and on occasion, informative conversations.

Mine was an Amiga 600. At 7mhz it was still much faster than my friend's 20mhz DOS PC. I remember that the Motorola architecture and instruction set was much faster than x86, but it still lost the race for the home PC, unfortunately, mostly because of the finance and business market which were reluctant to replace their legacy x86 software.

The 2.5D chips are going to have a huge heat problem. If Intel can manage to figure out how to cool the chips effectively while not dropping clock speed down considerably they will be doing well. But the heat is going to be one of their main problems.

I'm disappointed that AMD didn't follow through with making ARM CPUs along Ryzen and pin compatible. They could have gotten ahead in the race.

Man, fanboys buying into marketing events is badass. Why the fuck should anyone be “putting hope” in Intel? Just hope for better products in general. It’s not like the silicon is special because it has blue letters on the box.

Source for Intel hardware meetup please

did the same just now.. #doingmypart

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PPC was originally RISC, but by the time of the G5 series the instruction set got bloated too. I'm not sure if it matters, AMD's still innovating on x86.

Pet Escapades Gaming and More yes they did. Mid 90’s? Not sure. Maybe later. They had to give in to the behemoth MS due to MS office incompatibilities. That was pre-iPhone and Apple still being the preferred system for the creative industry.

wait didnt they say that they made their own chips fucking liars

Do you think that ARM will be allowed to gain much marketshare if their cpus don't have a backdoor? The libreboot website lists several possible ways for an attacker to gain control of Intel and AMD systems, in some cases even when the machine is powered off. Intel: libreboot.org/faq.html#intel AMD: libreboot.org/faq.html#amd

@@Bonez0r We need to get Purism to start producing RISC-V motherboards and whole computers.

The people using ARM won't be using the laptop/tablet for gaming. A tablet with keyboard, mouse, and one of those attachable thing to make it stand will pretty much make it like a normal PC as far as non gaming is concerned. Tablets are generally better.

Don't forget that the form factor change will increase space and power

It will cost them everything they are and more

nah they will not, anything more intensive than general web browsing and text documents isnt competitive with a regular intel/amd cpus

@@1524311 this is still pretty true for Microsoft surface stuff, but definitely did not age well in regards to M1 macs

As you'll see in a week and a half, far from it. But Ryzen 3000 + Navi? Now we're onto something

No one - why would anyone be here after WWDC? That is ridiculous - people watching a video made 18 months ago, ridiculous, just ridiculous.

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